USING 130 HP TO PLUNGE FBX DRILL 3X FASTER IN 4140 STEEL
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.พ. 2022
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Manufacturer: we should probably make an allowance for screw ups in our specifications, so things don't break
Titan: it's free real-estate
that earned a good laugh 🤣, this is titans whole damn business ethic for sure 😂😂
Can we have a peek behind the scenes for this drill?Would love to see the motor that turns it!
motor going vrrrrrrrrrr
Sipping my coffee while watching some steel being abused by titan's team on the other side of the planet. What a time to be alive.
30 horsepower more?! thats like the amount of horsepower a vf5 has. thats crazy!
You`re really killing it - This drillling process is absolutly insane!
The material dissolves in order of respect :)
And Titan is so aggressive and confident iin pushing the limits of all ...
Wow. Impressive !!
I've run a 3.5" high speed drill at 56 rpm with an 1.25" pilot hole and thought i was doing good. Ok. I will go sit down now....
Second hand Ibarmia, driven by an old lady :D
Garage kept, single owner, dealer-serviced, only driven to church on sundays!
Such amazing that it still sounded this amazing when cutting with those feeds and speeds.
Super crazy drill, I know that feeling of uncertainty 100% but that is what makes machining so fun I suppose. Your a beast Barry keep slaying chips big dog!!!!!
I love where this channel is today. From watching the Titan TV show back in the day up until now, the transformation has been amazing.
I got here as fast as i could, lol. Such an awesome team and company
That's incredible! Keep them coming
That was amazing. Monster drilling. Chip flinging of the highest order. More of this please
Ibarmia is really monster, super rigid and powerful
Hi Titan, love from China, also an amateur machinist (playing with toy desktop mills, owning a Carbide 3D 883 and a Bantam Tools) here. Don't want to sound rude, but I think you might want to see a dermatologist for your mole, the biggest one on your right cheek. Usually dermatologists use this ABCDE rule, asymmetric, boarder, color, diameter and evolution. The biggest one looks asymmetric, large, and has black, brown, white and skin, totally 4 colors, plus on the top of the raised part there is a white top with a blue tinge, and that particular color described in book as blue in a veil is a good sign of it being a potentially skin cancer or pre-cancer. Also a general guideline, don't irritate moles regularly. If it is in a shaved region, remove the mole or remove the hair.
Barry this guy may have a point. Check it ASAP.
Just an fyi for all the apprentices watching this: Don't go ahead and do this tomorrow in the shop 😂
The only way to find a limit is to go past it. Nice job, from mounting the tombstone, fixturing, tooling, coolant to have the confidence and the balls to run this!
?? its CNC, you could be 30 metres away.
That is what the test pilot said.😵
@@jh7589 It's not ballsy in the sense that someone could get physical injured, but moreso that the cutting tool, spindle, or part being machined could get potentially be seriously damaged
@@subbot8077 ahh, ruin the expensive machine? Sounds like a great idea.
@@jh7589 eh, it's just a matter of knowing/trusting your equipment. just because it defies convention doesn't mean it's inherently a bad idea lol
As always, top quality content! 😊
For sale: One lightly used Ibarmia 5 axis 100 HP monster mill. Only has a few dozen hours on it 30 percent above the redline for spindle power, feeds, speeds, and machine rigidity. Looks new but it's been run really hard to see where the breaking point is. Spindle bearings and ball screws may not have much life left. LOL. Really it's great to see monster machines taking huge cuts that even the tool makers say shouldn't be possible. But this WILL cause accelerated wear.
😶 Happy that nothing broke and Ellison can relax now. 😊
HAHAHAHA
“Well just add an inch to the feed”
Titan out of nowhere “ANOTHER ONE, ANOTHER ONE, ANOTHER ONE...”
I used to use 6 inch spade bits in an old Warner and swassey turret lathe for my very first machine years ago. I could never reach the boundaries of the torque limit on that 80hp machine. If I remember correctly I fed that drill at .015 per rev at 50 rpm in 4140 and it would pull and break chips as long as my arm, 2 inches wide! I fed an old greese line through the back of the turret to give the tool through tool coolant
Oh man, that sounds terrifying for sure, but also AWESOME!
Hey Titan, it would be interesting to see the spindle load meter when this drill is engaged in the cut!!!
you can see it at 2:58
Yeah, what I meant was a split screen showing the spindle load, and the other screen showing the drill op from start to finish, to see how much it spikes at certain spots in the cut.
That actually would be pretty cool Bob, ill bring it up next time we film!
Yep load meter on every video!
Finally a machine with Heidenhein
This is fine and wonderful, but we need to know what the insert life is and pushing the spindle to over max rating, what is the spindle life and warrentty for the spindle affect.
Insert life 445 sec, that's still a lot of holes and metal gone at that speed 😁, don't know just guessing
I was the guy who used to get into trouble editing programs to make them faster. 😂😂😂. Now I’m 26 years in and have the freedom and the trust of the employers to make it happen. Boommmm!! 😂
Absolute BEAST MODE!!!!
Awesome video!
Wow... that is an insane amount of cooling fluid. It is just gushing out of every hole :)
i love these short videos
Please make a video on how to calculate the spindle load. With that different center insert and all of the good stuff we need to go beyond 100% and still be safe.
Thanks for doing what you do. You guys make manufacturing greater than it ever was.
That machine looks amazing.
It truly issssss
this deserves a like
Love it, how the coolant is just leaking outside from the side hole.
Beautiful .
Very impressive
Loving the comments in here.
I have spent most of my 40 years career working on big machines, and i get the feeling most people aren't used to machining anything bigger than they can lift.
I must say you still had another 20-30% to give that drill, or will the ibarmier go to 200% load before tripping? i thought it actually sounded sweet, but not sure if i'd drill the cross hole first. It's helped chip evacuation but i'm guessing it was quite an aggressive intermittent cut at that point. nice videos by the way.
Great comment, buddy. And yes, you are absolutely correct. We had at least another 20% we could have gone. Great eye!
I am all for pushing things but also keeping in mind the tool company gave the specs they did for good reason. Early on I worked at a shop that did a lot of swiss style turning in stainless and titanium and they took the "max recommendations" as a suggestion and blew up tools left and right. Not to mention also having a really tough time holding tight tolerances too.
Just something to keep in mind when doing this is sometimes being a little less aggressive is the way to go in the long run!
Wow Freaking awesome 👏 love that monster
Brutal !
What's the lifespan of that tool at that kind of load? Does that increased productivity offset the cost of the tool and wear on the machine?
so awesome...
I just stalled the spindle on my small garage milling machine with a 50mm indexable endmill I just bought, looks like it is too much for my tiny machine, maybe for some aluminium or plastics it will do just fine.
Bet titan said it can still do more 🤣🤣🤣🤣 excellent as usual guys.
Unreal!
I need a dentist, do you do root canals?
#BEAST MODE
It can do it but can the longevity of the machine do it job after job year after year? Its great to explore limitations so you know where that red line is which im sure is the main point but I could almost feel the machines "pain" .
That's what planned maintenance is for. Pushing your machine will wear out components faster, but the productivity tradeoff will almost certainly be worth it.
im watching wearing "face protection and a helmet!"
great share!
larry
I am curious to know if the Ibarmia was able to log and graph spindle current draw, temperature, and chiller coolant temperature (and other related data) from the start of the plunge to the time of retraction. Data that may be similar to a dyno run for an internal combustion engine logged by an engine control module, (or a power train control module) in test conditions.
Yes, its able to do that! Ibarmia themselves can also log into the machine via teleservice to monitor these conditions
Boss, I saved $20 on the cycle time, but fried a $20k motor and the machine is going to be down for a week. What? No, I overloaded the motor so it's not covered by warranty.
I got good news the drill didn't break.
And i got a cool video to remind you what it sounded like
20k sounds cheap for a motor for these... Just hope there's some basic protections on them. And they're lucky it's only down for a week, I guess they're not far from their supplier.
@mokmo23 last 15hp integrex spindle i saw rebuilt was 30k and two weeks if i remember. Bet that is at least double, probably more.
How about a spade type drill? With indexable 140 insert? Just thinking it would be easier cutting and should chip just fine, I used a 75 x 1000mm spade drill and it sounded pretty sweet as long as you had the feed up
I don't think spade drill would ba as fast. AS far as I know, they take more power than typical indexable drill and also need tons of power in Z axis to keep up with proper feed to break chips.
What are the equations to figure out if your machine has enough horsepower or torque? I would absolutely love to know!! Thank you. -Anthony G
Bad ass I always wanted to be a machinist I was a heavy equipment mechanic all of my life I don’t know if I have the savvy to do that or not I wished I had a way to get with somebody and do this always interested me the things you could make
I’ve pushed some large diameter Allied spade drills on a Toshiba HBM like that. scary AF!
Not gonna lie, i was not confident hitting cycle start on this one
Would like if you could include a shot of a decibel meter in your videos. If your starting out by yourself and don’t have someone tell you “hey that shouldn’t be so loud “ those of us we little experience would have a reference point. Thanks for the great content.
The next day: alright guys we are doing our yearly hearing check!
HUH?!
That's crazy!
Wow! Unbelievable!
I want you to investigate the moment when the drill met with the pre drilled holes on the side! Did the load changed? Did the drilling sound change? Was there any effect on the tool vibration? Just curious if there were a tendency of the inserts to hammer on the hole edge!
The sound definitely changed, and it was a bit more violent sounding, but the spindle load actually dropped a little. The inserts didn't seem to mind, though!
@@barrysetzer there you are, I am manual but been doing a lot that entails deep hole drilling. For my habit I stick to drilling deep holes first, then those that come on sides and are crossing the deep holes comes later, and this reduces a lot of knocking on the drills or boring tools. So if the are small holes in diameter better drill them later after the deep big holes. I believe this might help.
good spain power machine
Sounded like the drill didn’t even mind the interrupted cuts of the cross holes .
Yeah i was super impressed
What load did the spindle monitor hit?
2:58 120%
Do you think it would have worked if you didn't have the across hole to evacuate the chips?
Yes, the across holes actually HURT, if anything. Adding in an interrupted cut adds alot of stress to the inserts
Spindle warranty voided 😜
This shit excites me!
Turn the drill body to "Lava". I did that to a .5 HSS drill in 316 stainless after 175 holes at 1.0 deep this morning.
Ouch lol. Ive been there!
Why did you use the 201 reming cycle instead of 200 drilling?
Ooooooo good eye!!!! I wanted to make sure that i didnt scar the inside of the hole by rapiding out. Ive had that happen with inserted drills before, and i figured better safe, than sorry!
So, what does this prove if your running 5x the recommended SFM?
Is this something that you can do day after day? I would like to see those inserts after 15minutes in cut.
1400sfm that's screaming for 4140
That's a lot of metal removal in that time with that feed, and machine spindle and frequency converter will be rated 200% for 15-20 seconds, and with the break in between it will be fine at 150 %as long as the job and table brake do not move , I've fed hard enough with a tip drill on 22kw machine to lift the pallet up as I was drilling up the top, had to slow that down below maximum feed of the drill for that hole, as it was a repeat job.
1500 rpm on a 3.5" drill is insane! The outermost edge is moving like 275 inches in a second. I would like to see some of the tools that didn't survive these tests.
i build my tools myself, like this monster, but on a small scale, wit od 8 - 25mm max, and apkt1135 or 95deg rhombus shapes.
Also depending on the layout of the machine spindle assembly, alot of machines reach max torque at lower rpm. If you guys are willing to risk wrecking that drill for us all to see how great it is you should push it alot faster and take into consideration that torque is not constant in most machine, if you stall but have good chips you may be able to cut alot easier at a lower rpm.
That tool and that machine should be able to run alot faster than that if its a good machine. And I definatly want to see it
It seems like the coolant is evaporating :)
Why did the spindle tilt up @ 3:32?
i noticed that too haha
Maybe the part wasn't level so after drilling is just zeroed the spindle position
that's a sort of magnifying glass effect from the coolant on the camera, nothing tilting except the light.
@@stefan0ro watch it again. It goes up maybe 2°
@@john.hunter had to re re rewatch, you're right, it snapped a few mm. Guess that's the beating they were talking about 😅
The sound... Haven't worked in a machining shop in a while, but I'd look over if I heard that...
was it at 100% spindel load or could you go even faster?
We were at 120% spindle load, so I think we may have actually been able to go faster. But please don't tell Titan that HAHAHA
Bary is the best new edition to the team 👌
Haha thanks brother, but the best part is that everything we do is a team effort! One team one dream!
@@barrysetzer yeah I bet! Everyone is pretty awesome, but you are definitely theost entertaining
@@barrysetzer do you still have linkedin? I went to PM you and I can't find you anymore.
I dont. Alas, they determined i should be permanently banned after a decade on their platform. I called someone a moron, TWICE 😂
@@barrysetzer 🤣🤣 I figured that's what happened. Any way I can reach out to you? Got Instagram?
I wonder if that's rated for 100hp continuous, that would explain the ability to run 130hp for a minute (or however long).
It is 100hp continuous. And even using the S6 torque curve, this was over max by 30hp and 120ft/lbs. love it!
Wish I knew how to do this.
What was your load meter saying
2:58 120%
BOOM
Heidenhain FTW!
Cycle 201 (G85)
The only question I have is with 120% spindle load and 65% y axis load..... honestly, did the part move?
I was actually worried about EXACTLY that. But it didnt move AT ALL
@@barrysetzer niiiccceeee 👍 damn good vices!
That actually sounded like there was still room to push it. I heard no slow down on the spindle or bad vibrations from the tool on the video.
Exactly right!
I'm amazed that the inserts didn't shatter.
So was I, lol
CBN inserts are tough as tiger shit especially if an intermittent cut needs to be performed because they don't shatter.💪👍
This is insane! Oh and that didn't sound right 😅😅
Lol! But but but…..
was that spindle load meter doing like 120%?
Yeah, hopefully they took the duty cycle for 150% load and made sure to keep the cycle time within that.
@@scottwatrous they are arbitrary numbers for marketing. If theys doing one part like this it wont hurt anything. Start running everything at 100% and up then yous changing the spindle every couple years. I remember haas terryberry once said he ran everything maxed out and the production goes up like crazy, you change the spindle cartridge every few years and basically it pays itself with the boost in throughput.
Yes, and yes we stayed under the S6 time constraint :)
@@barrysetzer Thats why titan told you to up the feed
@@TommiHonkonen you only need to increase production by like 15% to pay for a new 30k spindle once a year and that's only taking cost of labor into account. Had a boss tell me before when I questioned his judgement on us working overtime that labor cost is so low on the list compared to machine up time, material value, tooling and even energy costs.
well done, you set your tool using the automatic probe, you followed some cutting data from a sheet someone else already came up with. good job true engineer
If its that easy, why dont you show me how its done? Feel free to link a video showing us all how AMAZING you are!
@@barrysetzer funny, I have my own machining business, I've been machining for 18 years. I can run most cnc machines, its easy. The software newer cnc machines have nowadays is so well designed that its easy and smooth to program on. I prefer manual machining as its less dull. better money too as no CNC company want awkward one off jobs. They dont call CNC machining window licking for nothing.
I dont have any videos.
Nice thumbnail, good video. Thank goodness Barry wasn't 👅 the machine 😅
Dont lie, you were hoping i WOULD
89kW? Crazy. Recommended specs seem kind of low for the tool though. Whould expect more from 4 flutes. Or inserts are not meant for softer steels?
Correct. The inserts are actually for superalloys and titanium
@@barrysetzer Thank you for the answer.
It's not just if it made it one time it's how long it will last. Tools and setup time are money.
My son's reaction.... what's wrong with your phone? Dam did your speaker break? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmao sorry!
@@barrysetzer nahh don't b i didn'thave it loud.. it's kool.
@@barrysetzer too funny not to share thou. 💯🤣
Got damn
Manufacturer: yeah you can go 4inches/min its gonna take it, we have a bit of safty margin so it doesn´t break.
Titan: Yeah we have already taken that into account we are going 30% faster.
Manufacturer: ...our safty magin is 20%.
Titan: DID I STUTTER?!!
LOL almost sounds like you were standing there for our exact conversation HAHAHA
Was it a strong coffee or something with a bit more kick…. At the end of the cycle……that was pushing the envelope….. now it will be the norm for that tool for Titan……
I bet you were panicking there barry haha. I was worrying just watching it haha
Yeah it took about an hour before my heart rate went back to normal.
@@barrysetzer hahaha great work though
that sounded scary from here
What’s 130 hp like?
1Hp more than 129.
@@mongo4511 2Hp more than 128.
Why preform this destructive testing ?
It wasnt destructive, it was just drilling a hole. It was just scary because its a big drill and this machine has ALOT of power
3:00 the sound is... quite something.... :|
Glad the fixturing didn't fail! Geez, that IB machine is one of the smaller ones they offer. T12 to T36!
ME TOO LOL