Spade vs Banana vs Bare Speaker Wire Terminations: Which is Best?

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    Ever wonder what type of speaker cable termination is best? We compare banana vs spade vs bare wire to give you the answer. Is it all about surface area or is there some other consideration that is more important? Watch this video to find out how to best terminate your speaker cables.
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  • @kusgilb
    @kusgilb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I always use silver soldered bare wire. Not saying it's any better, but I like that it handles connector compression better when soldered. It also helps with eliminating stray strands of wire.

  • @Rometiklan
    @Rometiklan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Great to see you making more vids, Gene! As you recommended, I've been going with banana plugs on the amp side, raw at the speakers. Thanks for posting!

  • @jillpeacock4540
    @jillpeacock4540 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I started watching you when you were sick. Now I can't seem to turn you off. I'm learning things from you, I had no clue about before. It's good to see you so full of energy... Explaining everything to us. Hope you continue to have good health. Thanks for informing us on what to expect, how things work, what's going on. You seem like a really nice guy, and I really like how you teach us about the banana, raw, and spade. You can just imagine what I was thinking they were. Lol. God Bless you

    • @diskreet
      @diskreet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I started watching and reading a few months ago to plan for a HT setup after a remodel that won't happen any time soon now, but I'm in a similar boat. They have helped me avoid some bigger mistakes, like how to balance the budget between LCR and the Atmos speakers, or going with two subs instead of one. They have amazing content like this that will also help me nail the details. Especially setting up the receiver, this channel's videos and guides are just immensely helpful. I'll end up with a drastically better result for the same budget thanks to Audioholics!

  • @laurentiudinca9606
    @laurentiudinca9606 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I use bare wire on both sides, and it works just fine. Glad to see you feeling better, Gene.

    • @user-zb9lv3gh8s
      @user-zb9lv3gh8s 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, bare wire is probably the best a non-technical person is going to get. Banana plugs are popular, but they're meant for temporary connections only.
      On the other hand, if you have a decent crimper and don't mind putting the effort it, spades are the most reliable and robust connection.

  • @jean-francoiscusson9007
    @jean-francoiscusson9007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I use blue jeans cables banana connectors. I really like them. I bought this cables a couples year's ago because of you. Thank you Gene

  • @AndyBHome
    @AndyBHome 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I really like the Parts Express banana plugs with the "floating slug" inside. It let's you turn the locking sleeve without any twisting against the the bare wire.
    I used to "tin" the bare wire ends with standard lead solder. That actually worked pretty well too because you eliminated any whiskers and the soft lead deformed to the shape of the space they were being screwed into.

  • @JasonOldfield1838
    @JasonOldfield1838 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I have to say, I was a raw guy up until I watched this video. I recent experienced a situation where I was hearing static from my LF floorstanding tower (which gets moved more than any other speaker to get behind the entertainment center), only to find that my binding posts were both very loose. Seeing your resistance measurement experiment sealed it for me, and I used the links you provided to order myself some banana plugs. They'll be going on as soon as I get them.
    Thanks for the information, and hope you are fully recovered!

  • @stevencarroll5644
    @stevencarroll5644 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Glad to see you feeling better !

  • @TNPFan
    @TNPFan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gene, great to see you are well and back in the saddle giving reviews. We were all praying and wishing you the best. I use cables with banana on the speaker end and NL4 coming from the amps. Solid and secure connections on both ends.

  • @FFFan3445
    @FFFan3445 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I bought a set of banana plugs for my Monoprice 5.1 premium speakers and my basic Denon 5.2 receiver, turns out they were too big to fit into anything. Ended up using bare wire instead, lame but it works fine.
    Glad to see you doing better, buddy, I've been sharing your vids and I made sure to send this one out to friends to let them know you seem to be better. Stay healthy, and keep listening!

  • @ericnortan9012
    @ericnortan9012 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I like banana because they are simple to use. As an electrician, I say if done correctly bare wire is the best connection. Proper wire size for the terminals and no "wild hairs". But I use banana on everything cause I like to play with other speakers and it makes it easy
    Stay safe, glad to see you are doing well.

    • @MrBloodybeak
      @MrBloodybeak 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You could always twist the wires together and then melt solder on those bad boys

    • @scottyo64
      @scottyo64 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrBloodybeak Banana plugs are the way to go when you switch speakers or wires often. I have tried everything and always go back to banana plugs.

    • @mrhobs
      @mrhobs 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrBloodybeak I feel like at that point, it becomes a hard surface and not much different than a banana plug anyway. I guess if you just solder the very tips together...

    • @user-zb9lv3gh8s
      @user-zb9lv3gh8s 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@MrBloodybeaksoldering reduces surface area in a low compression force joint. You're actually better off with bare wire.

  • @eddievega1100
    @eddievega1100 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good to see you back in action.

  • @r9800pro
    @r9800pro 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have been watching your videos for 8 months or so and find them really informative and the topics are really well selected. I watched your videos for when you got sick with COVID-19 and these were also very informative and actually helped me a lot in understanding many things. It is a great gift to be spot on like that in totally different topics. Banana plugs all the way for me. I was gonna go raw at first then noticed those "whiskers" indeed so I decided to take the risk and got banana plugs for both the AVR and the speakers.

  • @thestackcash01
    @thestackcash01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    you truly make great content. thank you

  • @steverees1936
    @steverees1936 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi Gene, Glad to see your well again. I'm new to this channel and I just want to say how informative your videos are and love everything that I've seen so far. I prefer banana plugs personally as it keeps the ends of the wire neat and makes it so easy to pull cable out when needed. Love the review on cables you did a while back and I watched it three times so far lol! Anyone who likes Porcupine Tree? Steven Wilson and Prog rock is a fine person in my eyes, so keep up the excellent work from a Welsh guy living in Northern Ireland. ;-)

  • @Absouloot
    @Absouloot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So glad to see you up and about Gene! And to come back with a hot topic for me right now. I just mounted a center channel and didn't have room for my traditional banana plugs, so I modified some minimalist plugs. Something I don't hear much any more is using solder and tinning the wires. I had always assumed that was much better than just bare wires, however I would have really enjoyed using your testing equipment to see if that's true! BTW, I really like how my banana plugs came out, I will probably continue to this method from here on out, until the next great speaker connection upgrade happens! LOL... Welcome Back!

  • @Dan_d00d
    @Dan_d00d 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Gene its good to see you improving health! Road to recovery seems good now, a lot of fans are glad. I did my own cables, always use bananas - Nakamichi, and its got 11GA (14x4 in braid) crammed in each plug with soldering + 2 screws in terminal plug inner sheath. rock solid, and I love it. This is also in bi-amp for L/R and biwire Y cable for Centre. YAY

    • @amitghosh6966
      @amitghosh6966 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can I use insulated wires to connect speaker voice coil ends to the terminals instead of braided copper wire usually used to join them ?

    • @Dragon-Slay3r
      @Dragon-Slay3r ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's some serious wiring

  • @chacha4119
    @chacha4119 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always have used bare or raw wire as you say for about 45 years now ,carefully installed and wires trimmed ect. Never had an issue with it. Many thanks for your video.

  • @DavidKowalski
    @DavidKowalski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    After years of experimentation, I go with raw wire, with at least the amplifier ends tinned. Added terminals just put something between the wire and the binding post. Your connection to the speaker or amp then depends on the connection between the the wire and the added terminal. I have seen factory-added terminals such as spades cause large gauge wire to crimp and break over time. Whiskers are definitely a concern but this can be avoided by tinning the ends of the wire.

    • @iAbdullah_Hamad
      @iAbdullah_Hamad 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is there special tining material?

  • @dxd7122
    @dxd7122 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I'm using Nakamichi BFA banana plugs to both amp and speakers with 12 gauge low pf speaker wire. A good friction fit, sounds very good too.

    • @hugobloemers4425
      @hugobloemers4425 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      As long as you don't think Nakamichi today is the real Mc Coy, you know the ones with actual high end equipment.

    • @seanlacroix
      @seanlacroix 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hugobloemers4425 ya Nakamichi is name only at this point. A cheap Chinese company, the banana plugs are basically just rebranded Sewells.

  • @andreroy188
    @andreroy188 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Good quick video Gene. I've been in the home audio game for almost 40 years, and I personally go with a good locking banana all the way around. BTW, you look like you're feelin' better Gene. Good deal! Have a great day and God bless.

  • @optimusvader7823
    @optimusvader7823 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Glad to see you Gene, you look great Brother. I Hope you feel a lot better . I like to go raw like you said in the speakers ( Sometimes the banana plugs they are a little bulky for some speakers ) but in the Receiver or amp they work great also look really clean with it ! Great video and information . GOD BLESS YOU and as always ; we will keep listening 🔊 !

  • @erod9088
    @erod9088 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I used to go raw on the amp and at the speakers for many years, but now I do banana plugs on both. If you get tight fitting ones, they're much better overall I believe because they can are so easy to switch in and out of different speakers and amps.

    • @Turtleback8024
      @Turtleback8024 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree 💯

    • @ramencurry6672
      @ramencurry6672 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The banana plug is the best. A much neater way to set up

  • @TexasScout
    @TexasScout 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been missing with call audio for over 50 years, after the hurricane and I got everything set back up, I went double compression banana plugs on everything for the first time ever. So far I’m completely satisfied

  • @lordw9609
    @lordw9609 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    All Banana connections. For contact and ease of installation. Never going raw again and never cared for spade to begin with. Thanks for the great tips and great to see you back again. Looking great!

  • @diskreet
    @diskreet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love it, succinct and clear. Would like to see more videos from your workshop with real examples when it makes sense. That helps illustrates the concepts.
    I've always preferred banana plugs or bare wire. When I messed with car audio more I always used ring terminals or bare wire.

  • @arvinyl2578
    @arvinyl2578 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the video! I have learned a lot from you over the past few years. Compression bananas at the amplifier. I merge two 12 gauge ends (bi-wired) and one 18 gauge for a subwoofer all into one compression banana plug at the amplifier. Adds up to 6 to 8 gauge. These would not fit as bare wire on the binding post. Tried using bananas for low frequency and bare wire for high frequencies and subwoofer on the same binding post but did not get the same performance as merging them together into one compression banana.
    Bare wire at the speakers works best for me.

  • @jasonwatkins4277
    @jasonwatkins4277 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video. Have always wondered which better. It looks like it is just a matter of preference and convenience. As long as the connection is tight, it's all good.

  • @willmorgan365
    @willmorgan365 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Gene, hope you are feeling much better. Great to see you again. Im in Australia and we are just ramping up in this virus situation. Ive just bought a Pioneer Susano and hopefully that will take my spare time now.

  • @THEleatherface24
    @THEleatherface24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great content as always. The static scared the hell out of me lol! Raw btw

  • @borlach321
    @borlach321 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is a great and helpful video.

  • @mattgiunt
    @mattgiunt 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great advice.Gene you look amazing considering what you went through.

  • @cigarobsession
    @cigarobsession 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Quality banana plugs here. Rock solid, done.

    • @Bob.martens
      @Bob.martens 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Easy swapping.

  • @Csnumber1
    @Csnumber1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good information!! Thank you!!

  • @seanlacroix
    @seanlacroix 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sewell banana plugs for me. They've always worked great. Used to have the nakamichi ones but they became loose over time.

  • @georgeanastasopoulos5865
    @georgeanastasopoulos5865 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A very valuable lecture, and demonstration, Gene. Thumbs up. I don't have much of a choice! I go with raw speaker connections. I recently bought a pair of Klipsch R-51M speakers that I connected to my Sony AV Receiver STR-DH520. the Klipsch R-51Ms do have post terminals for banana connections. However, I may connect them as left, right surround channels. Or as another stereo system, connected to my Onkyo TX-80 receiver (1987), but does not have terminals for banana plugs.
    Same with my Sony STR-DH520 Receiver bought in 2012; although it does have terminals for the choice of banana connections for the main Front Speakers, it has traditional clip-on terminals for any other speaker connections. Except for a subwoofer. Therefore, if I re-connect my older two large bookshelf speakers 3 way bass reflex, 90dB, there is no choice for connection with banana plugs, anyway. Since I prefer a bigger sound, lower bass I am going to re-connect the large pair of bookshelf speakers. Therefore, the choice is going to be bare wire, anyhow.

  • @johnkrause2282
    @johnkrause2282 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. I use compression banana.

  • @home38er
    @home38er 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good to see you are up and working again.
    I’m a banana compression user!

  • @BennyKsBandwidth
    @BennyKsBandwidth 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I build my cables I use BFA Banana plugs on both ends only due to switching out speakers frequently. I would do exactly what you would do if I kept a pair in place long enough too. Banana at the amp, bare wire at the speaker! Good video!

  • @martinsapsitis4292
    @martinsapsitis4292 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    G'day Gene, top pragmatic discussion. Will apply! Cheers

  • @amazingsnow
    @amazingsnow 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The power of your propeller hat is sting my friend . Love you explanations. Great content

  • @kaymanul
    @kaymanul 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For the cables I made myself, I used bananas. With raw approach I had some oxidation problems in the past, no matter how carefully I attached them. These days I use spades simply because that's what I could find at a decent price for the manufacturer cables I wanted to try. Maybe these sell more and are available in a greater proportion on the market, who knows. I never knew audiophiles go for spades on purpose. I agree that they are harder to use, but I get them rock solid with a bit of work for best possible contact.
    I love the idea of this topic and the way it was handled.

  • @joernploeger2408
    @joernploeger2408 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used to do bare but to many issues as you mentioned and I moved on the banana, so convinient especially when you have to move things, just unplug and plug in done. No issues with sound as well!!!

  • @mladenbasic1
    @mladenbasic1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is the location that you should always do your show . Great lighting as well

  • @FairyNL
    @FairyNL 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    3:16 don't ever do that to me again... 😥

  • @johnwilliamson3164
    @johnwilliamson3164 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love those old Sansui SP 15 speakers. Lugged them around for years. They sound really good.

  • @RogueHomeCinema
    @RogueHomeCinema 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Agreed. Not to mention servicing or trailing different amps. Especially with 9-16ch systems, that’s a lot of twisting binding posts!

  • @uncola6028
    @uncola6028 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow really eye opening about the contact pressure affecting resistance

  • @Mrch33ky
    @Mrch33ky 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Learned the hard way about those whiskers on the amp side through too many blown fuses and switched to bananas. Otherwise I prefer bare wire as much as possible. Very informative piece at the end of the video. Thanks!

  • @bernardjenkins1630
    @bernardjenkins1630 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad to see you up and running. Banana plugs for me since I often change out equipment searching for the perfect system.

  • @preston6945
    @preston6945 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hope you are doing better!! I was all raw until I tried kabeldirekt 2 screw banana plug and I love them. Tried other banana and hated them but these are great! I have blown a receiver going raw so it can for sure happen.

  • @jamiermathlin
    @jamiermathlin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am raw at the speakers and banana plug at the av receiver, mainly due to having 9.2.2 set-up all with 10AWG cables, there just is not the room at the terminals, seems to work very well, and it looks good as well :-)

  • @brunorivademar5356
    @brunorivademar5356 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looking good my man!!

  • @Podcastforthewin
    @Podcastforthewin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Those stray whiskers always prick me too. I’ve always used banana plugs for powered speakers or subs

  • @Cash2112
    @Cash2112 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use and really like the Blue Jeans compression banana terminations.

  • @randir14
    @randir14 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I once had a short from bare wire connected to one of my speakers. It made a loud pop and shut everything off, scared the crap out of me but luckily my speakers and AVR survived.

  • @sonngo4269
    @sonngo4269 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Agree completely. Been using compression banana plugs on both ends many years.

  • @normanquan3239
    @normanquan3239 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great topic! As is usually the case, it’s not necessarily the modality (e.g. spade vs banana), but how they are executed. The weakest link in this chain is the operator, i.e. the person who does the set-up. For example, if using spades, carefully/slowly tighten the binding posts so as to make them secure, yet without damaging the posts. If using bananas, choose wisely because bananas come in a wide variety; many are weak. Every situation is different; terminals come in varying depths which affect the efficacy of a banana connection. Spades come in varying widths which affects the contact surface area. Terminals have different sized holes which may not accommodate the particular speaker wire gauge which you might have.
    Alll in all, it’s difficult to make blanket recommendations on which connector is best for any given connection. The user has to evaluate which modality is most optimum and how to execute it using common sense and trial-and-error. Be patient, do your homework, use very good lighting (an LED headlight is useful) and magnification.

  • @bris007
    @bris007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I use Mediabridge banana plugs. I used to just have bare but now gone with banana plugs because they look neater and I don't have to keep tightening the terminals anymore!

  • @JasonFiske
    @JasonFiske 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Gene, good to see you up and around. Have you ever used bulb grease on a termination? How about using solder to lock a cable into a termination or on a raw end to keep it from fraying.

  • @adotopp1865
    @adotopp1865 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank You . very interesting video

  • @fxstd000
    @fxstd000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been using both Blue Jeans Locking Banana's and Parts Express Angled Locking Stacking Banana's. I really like the angled locking stacking banana' connectors. They accept very large gauge wires up to 8 AWG. and they allow you to use a good speaker cable like Monoprice 12/4 CL2, attach the angled connector on each of the 4 conductors on each end (8 connectors needed in total for this example). Because the angled banana's are stackable, you then have the flexibility to stack the connectors in a couple different ways allowing you to very easily and quickly use them in a either a bi-wiring or bi-amping situation. Parts Express makes a great product as does Monosaudio, although I haven't tried the Monosaudio angled banana's yet.

  • @gingerninja7187
    @gingerninja7187 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video personally I use the compression banana plus but as you said the pin sometimes get stuck .
    You know what it’s great to see actual proof about what ya are talking about , just like the resistance with the cable , I’m fed up with people just doing demos of expensive interconnects / cables / ect , I just want someone to do demos of normal priced stuff , why is everything classed as good got to come with a ridiculous price .

  • @dougbulldog9947
    @dougbulldog9947 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's good to see you are recovering and well again.
    I really enjoy your informative channel thank you for sharing your knowledge.
    I live in New Zealand; electronic items are often way overpriced in stores and Amazon delivery fees are also expensive so we become inventive, think of The Last Indian.
    I would be interested in your opinion of my own version of a banana plug; as copper is the best conductor material I purchased 4mm copper pipe and cut it into 25mm lengths. I thread the exposed cable end into the cut copper pipes and crimp the pipe over the cable where it meets the pipe. I then cover half of the 25mm crimped pipe and the cable end with a couple of layers of 50 mm red or black heat shrink, the exposed 12mm copper pipe tip then plugs into the terminals just like a banana plug.

  • @FyrBridd
    @FyrBridd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Its all about SpeakOn! Wish they were used more widely, such a strong connection

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Agreed

    • @gunnarbjrgum2998
      @gunnarbjrgum2998 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agree, can't believe SpeakOn is not more used in consumer equipment. No chance of short circuit or wrong polarity, and much quicker to plug in/out.

    • @LifeofBliss
      @LifeofBliss 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Speakon is the answer

    • @editorjuno
      @editorjuno 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amen -- too bad most consumer and "audiophile"-grade stereo gear doesn't have them.

    • @crispy_otter
      @crispy_otter 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just ordered some more Neutrik Speakons - 4 pole. £12 (UK, obvioulsy) for two plugs and two chassis sockets! Love 'em. I use their colour-coded/keyed power connectors too, between amps and power supplies - check them out!!

  • @keithm4953
    @keithm4953 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Had bare wire for many years, but upgraded to bananas a year ago (affordable types from Sewell Direct). Sound at least as good, and like you I have more peace of mind w/o the stray 'whiskers'! Glad you've recovered from the nasty bug, always learn something from the channel.

  • @hammeys1
    @hammeys1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    banana on amp & spade on speaker just done it like that for years as my speakers dont move but i often change gear on my amp side.

  • @kirkcunningham6146
    @kirkcunningham6146 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Monster Cable "Quick Lock" Bananas . I bought a ton around 2004-05 for an install. They were the best you could buy at the time. Still have em, still use them. Awesome contact and very snug...

  • @rangersmith4652
    @rangersmith4652 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've always preferred spades, and I have spade-terminated cables that I like a lot. And I realize the importance of connecting them properly and avoiding shorts. That said, most amps and receivers these days don't allow spade connections, so at least on the amp end we're kind of stuck with bananas or bare wires anyway. Bananas are fast and convenient, but in my experience they can be loose fitting. I guess I need to buy different bananas.

  • @jonlaw16
    @jonlaw16 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    3:46 parts express (Dayton audio) sells copies of those connectors which work perfectly in my experience. They still aren't super cheap but are certainly better than Kimber's price. I've used both styles and I agree the 45 degree connector is much better for speakers than the straight style.

  • @HeroicCoachingwithDan
    @HeroicCoachingwithDan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey Gene, thanks for this video! I prefer banana plugs on both ends.

  • @gg.6967
    @gg.6967 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Get well soon Gene! I like Nakamichi silver banana plug for amp and Nakamichi gold pins for loudspeakers. I too found spades probable cause since the late eighties.

  • @DBLCreations
    @DBLCreations 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At the moment i have raw wire with the speakers as wel as with the amp. But i have ordered myself some banana plugs. I really think it's just easier and the contact will be better.
    Great video!

  • @evowhite777
    @evowhite777 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good to see & know you're doing well fella,it warms my heart to see you posting about yours & our beloved hobby!
    For me in our system (the missus won't hear any difference,lol)Spades sound slightly better than bananas. They're both budget Nakamichi plugs maybe,they JUST sound "different" as I never A/B them. I didn't go back to the bananas so,see that as been the deciding factor,this is only on the speakers though at the amp end,I stayed with banana plugs
    #hifi4ever

  • @roberthyde7102
    @roberthyde7102 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome back brother ..

  • @kimrayner8795
    @kimrayner8795 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Banana plugs on speaker end and raw on Amp but I will be switching around to raw on speaker and Banana on the amp end thanks for your tip I really appreciate it , I really enjoy your TH-cam videos .
    Kim from down under in Australia.

  • @Gez492
    @Gez492 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So glad that someone has addressed this. I am an audiophile and I can concur wholeheartedly I hate Spade connectors for the very reasons you have outlined. My preference is good quality compression banana plugs all day every day. Before these I used bare wire but I used to tin them to avoid the whisker thing. Yes you could say I would get oxidization of the silver solder but no more so than bare copper. The only tangible benefit I can see in using Spades is decent ones will be gold plated so wont oxidize but every one I ever used on thicker gauge is almost impossible to tighten properly.

    • @IliyaOsnovikov
      @IliyaOsnovikov 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I bet you've been using the wrong type of the spade terminals. Try some AudioQuest terminals and you would change your opinion.

  • @The340king
    @The340king 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use banana plugs on both ends. I like the ability to swap from speaker to speaker often. I have never contemplated using the spades as I wasn’t really aware of them.

  • @jerryandlisa27
    @jerryandlisa27 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Blessings to you and your family I hope you get well soon. God Bless

  • @wheredemfreax
    @wheredemfreax 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're back! Great to see you are doing well ! Bare/Banana here!!! ;)

  • @Reyfox1
    @Reyfox1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been using Monster X-Terminators since they were introduced. Bananas that expand by tightening the knob for a tight fit that will never come loose. They are like the WBT's but cost me much much less when I bought them decades ago.
    I agree that spades never stay snug over time and it doesn't take much to have them dislodge from the terminals.

  • @johnsmith-qz4bv
    @johnsmith-qz4bv 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i use banana plugs on both ends ....great video

  • @yerfdogjohnny
    @yerfdogjohnny 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use locking banana plugs at both ends for my speaker cables which I purchased from from Blue Jeans Cable. Convenient and secure.

  • @agm6095
    @agm6095 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have 6 gauge wire on my 3 front speakers and I used banana, but I had to remove some of the wire strands so it would fit in the banana and I also soldered the wires to bananas. The rear speakers are raw. Glad you recovered from the virus.

  • @AlphaChadGames
    @AlphaChadGames 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Raw on both ends. Once those cables go in, they never come out. Adding another component to the set up can never improve it when raw is an option.

    • @MichelLinschoten
      @MichelLinschoten 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tech Noir perhaps watch the video instead of just posting

  • @B17B25guy
    @B17B25guy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm still using my old 'Cobalt Cable' (remember them) banana terminated cables on an MC205/Sonus Faber rig, into and out of pre-wired 10AWG walls. The JL Audio Sub is balanced. Ditto on the loose spades experience.

  • @gilramsey3518
    @gilramsey3518 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I banana plug the speaker and amp ends. I like the banana plugs you get from Amazon that have 2 set screws that you tighten as opposed to the kind where you bend the speaker wire back over a beveled ring. The set screws are tiny though and you have to be careful not to drop them. Sometimes I change out receivers etc. and having everything banana plugged is well worth the effort. Trying to connect bare wire to a receiver or amp is a pain and I have had issues with the stray wires before as discussed in the video.

  • @Kiddomike
    @Kiddomike 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    First of all, welcome back, Gene! Your COVID-19 journey and story was a ray of hope for us who are just getting the brunt of the infection in our country. (Currently in lockdown). So, I'm staying home for at least 2 more weeks.
    Anyway, I use raw copper wires for the longest time. I encountered a great deal on banana plugs online and dove right into the deal. Now, I use them and they are more neat-looking than the raw copper wires. Copper wires also tend to get pulled out of plugs. Bananas are more secure. In terms of sound quality, I do not hear any difference, to be completely honest. I am just happy that I have a better quality speaker connection in both physically and aesthetically.

  • @CerbTheUnidog
    @CerbTheUnidog 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Banana plugs on both ends. I really love the for the speakers, because I don't have a ton of extra length so it's nice to be able to pop them in and out without much effort, and as long as I'm not pulling out the speakers, they stay in place. I have them into the receiver as well, but I do have to be a bit more careful pulling the receiver out as they could end up popping out, but as long as I look behind and make sure everything it plugged in properly, then all is well.

  • @Dgr1zzl3
    @Dgr1zzl3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I use those Monoprice Bananas you showed and they work great and our very convenient but 12 gauge is a bit hard to mount in them. However, I'm not working with High end equipment at the moment so spend extra on better plugs is not my priority right now. Also I'm guessing that if someone using a spade just roughed up the surface you could achieve a much tighter connection.

  • @danielwander605
    @danielwander605 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve mostly used banana plugs. I had all Monoprice closed screw plugs but I recently had an issue which I thought could be related to my terminations. I noticed that they were loose in specific binding posts and I never liked the way they screw down. If you don’t strip it the perfect length then the wire gets stuck in the threads. It can then cut some of the threads. So I ordered Sewell silverback banana plugs. Much better in my opinion. I like they way you terminate the wire with two screws and they fit nice and snug in all the binding posts in my system. Unfortunately they’ve been sold out for weeks for some reason so I havnt been able to get more to swap out all the Monoprice.

  • @chrisperidis1959
    @chrisperidis1959 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I personally have been using raw cables since now. Thought it gets hard for me when I do maintenance on equipment, where I have to unplug and plug again everything, so I am thinking in the future , when I buy speakers that can support it, I’ll get some banana cables to make my life easier!

  • @JDuBz815
    @JDuBz815 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I switched from raw to banana plugs for the ease of maintenance/adding components. Haven't had an issue with them. Sure makes things easier. The Monoprice ones are pretty decent for the price.

  • @nishalp1747
    @nishalp1747 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I go bananas over banana connectors. Easiest to use. Quickest to use by far especially when connecting seven channel's on both amp and speaker side.
    Glad you are well Gene. Keep up the good health.

  • @daleromney6062
    @daleromney6062 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use raw at my speakers because I have Magnepans and their speaker connectors are really designed for raw. I am using spades at my amps, but I think I agree with you. Every so often I check them to make sure they have not come loose. I will use bananas at my amps the next time I have a reason to change.

  • @thomaslanser926
    @thomaslanser926 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    ...went with the Media Bridge banana plugs on mine. They seem to tie up tight and they have a decent look. Economical as well.

  • @ValueAudio
    @ValueAudio 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was sole proprietor of Value Audio, an audiophile oriented sales company, for 20 years. I got into the business selling truly fine cabling and it remained my specialty throughout the life of my business. I developed an excellent national & international reputation for high performance-high value equipment & cable expertise, often blowing peoples minds. I carried Acoustic Zen, Analysis Plus, WireWorld, and DH Labs - and sold all price points from $200-15,000 per pair of speaker cables, and have an excellent ear for subtle and not so subtle differences in cable and connectors, and am excellent at system matching for sonic character. I did my own custom termination work on DH Labs, using high value, non-hype quality connectors I’d purchase from Analysis Plus.
    Here are a few of my discoveries regarding connectors:
    Avoid solder, and go for a very solid, largely air tight crimp instead. A fine crimp is 100% conductive between connected materials, while even the best solders m about 15% conductive.
    Avoid any connector that screw directly to wire strands. They will fray out the wire & loosen, providing lousy connections & lead to oxidation. If you use screw on barrels, pit a crimp sleeve over the bare wire, crimp tightly and screw down to that.
    Low mass designs tend to be clearer and more transparent than beefy, heavy on the metal parts, which disrupt current flow &!create Eddy Currents. The this came to my attention first through Nordost recommendation of ‘Z-Plug’ hollow BFA banana instead of spades, as well as raves over Eichmann’s development of low-mass interconnect plugs. Also, large barreled plugs are often made of inferior sounding metals, often low grade brass and/or ferrous alloys with less than ideal sound. Z-Plug pins are Beryllium Copper, which has a good sound. I would use the Z-Plugs with Beryllium Copper crimp-on barrels - a very good, transparent sounding minimalist low mass, design.
    Big locking bananas are best only if you need the security of a connection that won’t come off accidentally while you mess around behind your speakers & amp.
    Comparing Spades to Bananas: while spades can be pure copper based (though almost always plated, as are Z-Plugs), I found spades to typically sound more mellow, and less clear on upper mids & highs, than fine crimp-on bananas. Spades do seem to have the capacity for higher current carrying ability, which can improve bass. I’d usually go with bananas at the amp, as it manages cable routing better there, and I’d use spades at the speaker end. This would also allow me to make custom jumpers using Z-Plugs at both ends for biwireable speakers. It usually sounds best to hook the spade to the bass, and use the jumper’s Z-plugs to bring more transparency to the higher frequency driver(s). The spades would help provide good current.
    Problems with loose spades as described in the video could be solved to a large degree with this tightening technique: Align spade barrels (where wire connects) at a 4 o’clock position, tighten speaker terminal nut down. Then tighten further to 6 o’clock by twisting both the nut and the spade so they move together. It should provide a tight fit. Loosen by doing the opposite.
    Don’t mar the terminal nut with pliers. If you must use pliers, put something like a small sheet of rubber or cloth between them. Be very careful not to over-tighten using pliers - your speaker terminals are held on with nuts on the back (inside the speaker), and the post itself will twist, which not only misalign the bare wire hole, but could also tear your internal wiring off.
    Let me know if you’ve found this information helpful.
    Best regards,
    Jefferson Delman
    Value Audio

    • @ValueAudio
      @ValueAudio 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      PS - Bare ends MIGHT sound better, if you do it right, but have big drawbacks:
      You can’t crimp them down tightly. As strands fray, oxygen & sulphur can work their way in, degrading the connection. At the least, tin the wire lightly with a silver content solder. If you don’t tin, apply a contact enhancer & oxidation protector like CAIG ProGold, applying enough to soak in between strands, then wipe off excess. Some wire might remain unprotected once it’s mashed down in the post.
      Also with bare ends, if you remove the cables, it will leave end strands a mess. The fraying and any oxidized area should be cut off, & the insulation should be stripped to give a fresh connection lead.

  • @scarabeo500gt
    @scarabeo500gt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good ending to this video Gene! I agree with you on Terminations...

  • @ThePianoman65
    @ThePianoman65 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad to see you're feeling better. Now me, I use banana plugs at both ends. To me it's the easiest and best way to make a connection.

  • @TheFrugalAudiophile
    @TheFrugalAudiophile 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always use banana plugs, I even use the pen style in Spring terminal. I’ve just had too many speaker short out when the bare wires touched.