when a mother kills her children: the case of diane downs |dreading
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Time Stamps
introduction 00:00:00-00:01:07
the early life of Diane Downs 00:01:07-00:16:43
lew 00:16:43-00:23:37
the shooting 00:23:37-00:25:27
the aftermath 00:25:27-00:29:51
the investigation part I 00:29:51-00:37:21
the interviews part I 00:37:21-00:39:55
the investigation part II 00:39:55-00:46:42
Christie Ann 00:46:42-00:49:08
the interviews part II 00:49:08-00:55:34
the trial 00:55:34-00:58:52
escape artist 00:58:52-01:19:14
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The ppl who adopted Diane's kids "never said a bad word about Diane" to them. Diane thinks it's because they "know she's innocent", as she can't grasp doing that JUST to avoid causing the kids stress.
honestly maybe they should so they can validate the insanity they experienced
@@blubberingbuffoons Hopefully they would if they felt they needed it, they really might just be past it have made peace with it. Fingers crossed, because I don't think there's any closure Diane would offer
@urmomishere i think its alright to tell your child once theyre more emotionally mature. id say around 18+
@@jiggly8125 Difficult in this case, the children will always be aware that the young man can't walk because of the shooting & the young lady has seizures & requires medical care. They'll also always be missing a deceased sibling. I imagine a psychiatrist will tell their adoptive parents how to move forward, I'm SO happy they found such an incredible home.
@@blubberingbuffoons Hopefully they kept going to a therapist they could talk about that with.
Love the irony of her calling her second daughter ugly. Diane honestly looks like the cryptkeeper.
Thank you! I’m always hearing about how “beautiful” she is/was, but I’ve actually seen her, and she’s obviously NOT attractive at all!! Just like Ted Bundy.
A crypt keeper…exactly
Same. Must have been different in the 80s. Maybe her eyes are kinda good.
Isabella Hunt Right? I also see a demon in her face in just about every clip....talk about ugly!
She needs a filler in that non existent lips so baaaad 😂
Lew’s poor wife! Imagine having a husband who kept cheating with an obsessed woman who kept showing up at your home.And then did THIS. What a nightmare.
She handled it calmer than I would of 😅
Truth be told Robert (Nick) and his wife Charlene were actually physically separated when he in gaged with Diane in fact the only reason Diane became so obsessed with him was because he was the only one that was extremely direct with his words and she couldn’t trap him or accept him telling her no.. he was completely honest with his wife and they reconciled, him and his wife cooperated with authorities and were together at the entire six week hearing and never once spoke with media nor tried to profit from the tragedy.
@@melaniebrown7703could just be me but if my husband slept with a convicted child murderer many many times it would give me the ick. 🥲 good for the wife I guess?
@@melaniebrown7703 They were separated - 😅
I would just leave if we didn't have children.
The best line was the detective saying :
“If You’re NOT Guilty I’ll quit”
her defense being "i could have killed my kids more efficiently" is harrowing
Along with the line about kids being easy to conceive...
especially when there was the defense of why tf would i do this to my kid. her not even considering that defense shows how heartless she is.
that not defense, that`s regret!The "fuck...2 survived...shit!" type of thing
G ofx
Yeah obviously she couldn't fucking lmao
The most unbelievable part of this story is that anyone would describe Diane as a "bombshell"
I almost choked reading this 😅
Just old people talk for “easy pussy”
Ha, I was going to say that. I don't how she could have been so successful with men, I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot stick
Right?? As a guy, she's maybe a 4 out of 10 at best, when dolled up. Her eyes give her this gaunt, hollow, dead look that is deeply unattractive and disturbing. Maybe her body looks good naked but I sure don't see it.
seriously tho
This is eerily similar to Jodi Arias. The way she could go on for hours about something she wasn’t even asked about. The possession over men. The impeccable memory until they’re faced with logic and science. The constant smiling. I could go on
atleast jodi was actually hot
@@javerious24hot & crazy 🤪
I feel like they’d be great friends
@@fabh9674they would probably be in competition with each other though
@@g4uzy that’s true. I feel like they could go either way. Either be besties, or talk about how the other is a complete monster, with zero self awareness.
She literally laughs and smiles when describing blood coming out of her daughters mouth. How she thinks that’s normal behaviour and that she would never get caught is beyond me
Women who need men so desperately are a danger to their children.
I was abused from ages 4-12. I told my "mother", but she Said I was a liar. She remained married to this man for 56 years.
Now at age 62, I battle depression and a sadness that's at times unbearable. All because my mom needed a man so desperately
I'm so sorry.
And you are absolutely right.
I am so sorry you went through that. My heart goes out to you. I’ve been sexually abused many times by men and women but I have no one to tell. Peace be with you. I will pray for you.
@@andyperez2742 tell me I'm here for you. It might not mean much since I'm a stranger but I mean it
As are men like Lou. Turns out they were more similar than they thought lmao
You deserved better. I hope you realized your true value along the way. It's not your fault that the people who were supposed to care about you above everything let you down.
She is exhausting can you imagine being forced to be her therapist and listening to her drone on and on and on knowing it’s all lies.
Her parole hearing. My god she’s insane.
Therapy won't help her personality disorders. Her actions are 100% choice and since she believes she's done nothing wrong, she will not reflect on herself. In her mind, it's society who's wrong, society who should change to meet HER demands. But yeah, RIP to the therapist that has to listen to her (if she even has one).
I know! I’m listening to her parole hearing and I just want her to stop talking. It’s exhausting trying to pay attention - I think it’s part of her subconscious tactic. If she bores/tires people maybe they won’t notice the holes in her jumping back and forward continuously changing narrative. She can’t tell things in time order.
I’ve met people that talk like this. Next time I’m going to be wondering if they are a narcissist.
its not exhausting to her, she just spouts a stream of un-consciousness
OMG..I know!! She's got diarrhea of the mouth & despite her age, still hasn't learned to STFU.
I can’t believe anyone risked their marriage for that
This Nick or Lou or whatever is No man. He is a picture what a man can be.
I'm too shocked, at how simple men seem to be.
Animals, I'd say
IKR? Absolutely disgusting. Foul.
@@PuRpLe9HaZe6not defending any actions just pointing out that yes, humans are indeed animals, its not really fair to other species to admit otherwise. With this in mind i agree that men are controlled mostly by their urges on most occasions which is not an excuse for any action or lapse in judgement, I just think non human animals deserve more credit. Most of them are terrible and some of them are pretty terrific, exactly like humans.
Her *still* trying to manipulate her way out of jail in those parole hearings is absolutely insane. I hope all of her children have had wonderful lives since. I remember an interview with the daughter she was pregnant with during the trial, and she struggled because she was afraid she would be like her mom. She went and met her mom in jail, and Diane was incredibly self centered and rude. It was an interesting story and I'm glad she healed from that experience. Diane can rot in hell for the torture of her children.
She still sounds EXACTLY the same. Being in prison for as long as she has been without it affecting her in the slightest truly astounds me. She hasn't changed one bit. Then again she is a narcissist with other obvious personality disorders, nothing bothers people like that. Look at what she did to those poor babies. I don't think I've ever wanted to deck someone in the face as much as I do her.
Where did you get to see / hear this at ?
@@dragondeeznutts it's on TH-cam
She struggled because she thought she would become a narcissistic, murdering home wrecker like her mother? Some people literally create their own problems.
This video never said anything about the child with whom she was pregnant at the time of her arrest.
I wondered what happened to that baby!
So , the baby was a girl, &...
...adopted by the same people who raised Diane's two older children?
Imagine calling your own child "ugly, loud and annoying." Jesus Christ man, it's just a baby. This woman is scary.
Her daughters looked VERY alike. How can she say one was prettier than the other?
Plus she's freaking ugly.
I mean babies are all of those things
@@katsdraws They are, but it's an unwritten rule that you don't say it. We were all babies once.
@@roryslaine7896 yeah and I was also ugly, loud and annoying. And it’s not like saying that to a baby hurts them, they don’t know words. Calling a baby ugly doesn’t make her scary lol what a weird thing to focus on.
@@katsdraws Yea, fair point. But wasn't the issue she was saying that to strangers? I mean, you can call your child ugly, loud and annoying to close friends or family. But saying it to random people is a bit suss.
Ngl, I feel super bad for Nora as well. Husband admits to cheating, she forgives, and then he keeps right at it.
Thank you for saying that. Been searching for that and scrolling for a while.
I wholeheartedly agree.
l guess he just got "entangled".
once they cheat the first time they will never stop
Definitely. Hopefully she got rid of that lou guy.
@@Lucky_Chase I guess his pecker just got entangled.
If some strange man shot the kids... there's not a chance in hell her daughter would be scared of her and accuse her. The only person that believes Diane is herself.
Well,what would you expect in an evil psychopath who makes her bad deeds an addiction?She needs to be brought to rehab
The man she described is as the killer is Ted Bundy. She must have heard the story in the news and had it in her mind. Small yellow car, messy brown hair, 5'9", etc...
🤔🤔🤔 oooooo interesting
Oh shit was that going on , when this happened ??
@@dragondeeznuttsshe committed the crime in 1983, three years after Bundy was arrested for good I believe
I thought the exact same thing when I saw a documentary about her some years ago.
I was thinking “oh shyt she’s describing Bundy! That’s probably the only smart thing she did, think of a real person who was a known murderer. However, she was about 8 years too late as Bundy was already in jail when Downs shot her kiddos.
She’s a crazy broad. One of the coldest and most insane people I’ve seen.
@@NunyaBizness2.0 Remember that at that time, Bundy was denying all involvement in the murders and claiming his innocence. She could've believed that her description would put that innocence claim back in the media and distract everyone with a "Bigger story"
The little “wah” you said when she was complaining about not being able to tie her shoes gave me life.
Hahah same I laughed so loud 🤣
Yes hilarious 😂
It’s these little gems and editorials that Dreading sprinkles in their extremely informative, thoroughly researched and well written videos that truly make them one the best in the True Crime genre here on TH-cam.
@@crazyphan18 I agree!
@@crazyphan18 summed Dreading up perfectly ♥️
The parole hearing videos are crazy. She’s spent 20 years in prison and speaks and acts EXACTLY the same. Not a single dent in her delusions or attitude.
The way she was dictating parole officers where to send her and what to do :D)))))))
She's not smart enough to tell the right lies. Had she lied that she felt so remorseful and that she has grown and matured in prison, found God, etc., she probably would have been released.
@@suzymanville232 Downs did say that she loved her parents. Did she ever say,"I love my kids"?
It seems like Diane's focus is "protecting" her parents, NOT her kids (WTF?).
She has learned to cry and appear to be human. She is a good actor now
Which makes her all that more terrifying. Thank goodness she didn't try to act as if she's changed. This is the one time I'm glad she's a narcissist.
I almost choked on my drink when you had the audacity to say "Diane the blonde bombshell" 😬💀
I think she saw *herself* as a "blonde bombshell" and felt it was confirmed by the number of men who wanted to have affairs with her. And as they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder anyway. Looking at her and knowing how Narcissistic and evil she is, it is impossible for me to see any beauty in her.
Agree! She wasn't attractive; however, Farah Fawcett played her in the film "Small Sacrifices". Guess Diane thought it was proof that she was a looker; not a hooker.(free one)
She looks more like the chaos after the bomb went off.
Casey Anthony took a page right out of Diane's playbook when she also accused her father--falsely--of sexual abuse.
Really? I thought that was true.
@@Cuckoo_Lane Her parents both took polygraph tests after Casey's special on Peacock. George passed with flying colors. He absolutely did not sexually abuse Casey or his grand-daughter.
@@Cuckoo_LaneNo way. She's lying
Susan Smith did the same
In reality, George Anthony took a page out of John Ramseys handbook.
I'd put big money down on the fact that if Lew had agreed to leave his wife for Diane and be with her, she would have lost interest in him in a matter of weeks. Her "love" for him was only that he was something she couldn't have, and if she was able to have it she wouldn't want it anymore.
Exactly. I have an aunt like that who I no longer speak to. She was always pursuing and sleeping with married men. She convinced at least two of them to get divorced and once they had, she lost interest. It was all “you deserve so much better! She doesn’t treat you right!” Then they’d leave, want to be with her and she’d slowly start pulling away. She even had the nerve to say she didn’t like them any more because “what kind of pu**y does a guy have to be to let some other woman tell him what he should do?” It disgusted me. Diane is the same.
Facts
Yes! That is typical sociopathic and narcissistic behavior. They’re all about the high.
Supposedly she tried to kill Lou by running him over prior to him breaking it off with her
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My jaw actually dropped when Diane stated how SHE was the unlucky one and her kids were lucky... i can't wrap my head around how people like this exists just wow
Ikr! Shes so disgusting! And her voice makes my ears bleed! I would go nuts just having to listen to her talk bc she never shuts up.
1:13:04 don’t you feel so bad for her
She's a sociopath. That's why you can't wrap your head around it. Neither can I.
thats half the problem - i ve suffered abuse and when I told people no one believed me. SCHOOL TEACHERS.
@@MARSBELLA1 sure kiddo
the way the therapist handles Christie Ann is so gentle. i know that is what they are trained to do, but not every person who is trained to do their job does it well. i hope Christie and Danny are doing alright these days if they are still around.
Thank you for including that little "wah" in response to her being unable to tie her shoes. Really needed a laugh after listening to this abhorrent woman drone on and on about herself with no care about her children. Even the interviewer at 52:07 is weirded tf out by her
“Children are so easy to conceive.” 😢 when she said this, I felt so sick. Surrounding her children in love.
It’s usually easy for ones who don’t need/want them! My husband and I have no kids together we couldn’t do to my cancer and that’s all he ever wanted in life was to be a father b/c he was in foster care until he aged out. He always knew he wanted to be a dad and be a father that he never had 🥺
@@jessicabreen2961 surrounding you in love, light and peace ❤️
Right?? My god, she said it so casually, too. As if kids are just this easy thing, not unique, simple toys you can generate from your own body to play with and then discard.
I was in the shower while listening to this on youtube. When she said that, I almost slipped and fell. SHOCKING!!!
@@WobblesandBean it was terrible. It made me sick to my stomach.
Having a narcissistic parent has to be so awful. I can’t imagine having a mother that’s jealous of you simply because you’re receiving attention and not her
My mother gets angry if I do anything that she perceives as making her look bad. She and my father consistently defend one another and gang up on me without ever hearing or caring about my side of things. It hurts to realize that your parents are psychotic, especially when the rest of the world sees them as normal.
My mother gets angry if I do anything that she perceives as making her look bad. She and my father consistently defend one another and gang up on me without ever hearing or caring about my side of things. It hurts to realize that your parents are psychotic, especially when the rest of the world sees them as normal.
@@jbear3478 I’m sorry you have to put up with that, I hope you won’t have to deal with it. Some people should really not be parents
Well, my mother was a narcissist, and believe me, it's enough to drive you CRAZY!
@@jbear3478I had a mother that everyone viewed as normal. She never was. The minute I grew breasts, she became even more vile. But I cut her out of my life. I found family for myself. There is no shame in waiting it out until you can get out and then doing what is best for you.
Diane brings narcissism to a whole new level!!
Studying her case was as fascinating as it was heartbreaking! Histrionic Personality Disorder accompanied with Superlogicafantastica also known as the compulsive liar! Paired with narcissism & psychopathic tendencies!! She’s a host of Disorders!
I was happy to hear that her surviving children ended up with the prosecutor & his wife and her baby girl that she had in prison was also adopted by a wonderful family. It was sad that the children just couldn’t connect though.
I have to say that I never really understood how or why she was referred to as a “Bombshell”??!! She really wasn’t she was just easy is all..
If Diane is considered a "bombshell" than I must be a "goddess" 😂
Nope, this is what severe BPD with narcissistic traits looks like. Her attachment system was so disorganised that she could never ever have a healthy relationship with another.
Yes, she's a complete monster. I'd also wage that her childhood trauma played a huge part in how her personality developed over the years.
I know, no eyebrows and no lips and bad hair.
@@gSWG3R I disagree.
@@coffeecrimegal5968 Good for you? Hahahaha, are you able to explain why?
She really went into that parole meeting thinking that she was going to be let out and was giving directions on how to protect her location 🤣 how delusional do you have to be. Girl head back to your cell see you in 25 years for the next hearing
How absolutely terrifying for Christie to go on that car drive with Diane. Can you imagine the things her mother said to her? My God.
I agree. That part t of the story got me so scared for the child.
I can’t believe her ex-husband told her where he was meeting their daughter. He’s just as bad
@@melb1016 seriously wtf ?! 🤯😤
and she was only reprimanded? she should have gone straight to jail
I know, it’s making me so angry. That poor little one.
How he could continue sleeping with her while saying he loves his wife is mind boggling.
The 80's baby! Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Seriously? He is an ordinary man - this behavior is more common than you realize.
Very common, a lot of men are good at compartmentalising
@@TheMellypants a lot of people in general are good at compartmentalization. It's not just men! Hahaha
he was poly and bi 😂
Her non stop blathering in her parole hearing is torture!
If you have ever wondered where the Proverb ;"Necessity Is The Mother Of Invention" came from or why it started, it's because of people like her that the 'Smack In The Mouth' was invented....
I’ve seen narcissistic parents, my mom has never called me casually in my entire life; but this lady really takes the cake. Just listening to her talk makes my skin crawl
Any advice on how to move out of their house? 🤣😭
What I did was get a job in another city like four hours away and got a roomie! 😂 May God guide you in your quest
She's seriously one of the creepiest creatures I have ever heard of. Her delusions run so deep. Her absolute lack of emotion, or completely inappropriate use of emotion, is chilling.
no mirror neurons and missing big parts of the brain
Way to dehumanize a mental patient asshole....
@@Souprsalad she committed familicide, she’s not a mental patient, she’s a prisoner. If she was a mental patient, she’d be in a medical facility. But she’s in prison for killing her children.
@@Souprsalad she's not a mental patient, she has a personality disorder. And only a tiny fraction of a percent of people with antisocial personality disorder go on to do the depraved things she's done. Oh, we shouldn't "dehumanize" Diane? It's pretty clear who the asshole here is.
@@Souprsalad get over it!! This B will rot in hell. Keep crying for a monster like this!!!
I have no words for how awful she is. "Christie's got a speech handicap, Danny's paralyzed, and Cheryl's dead but I deserve all the sympathy because my self inflected gunshot wound left me unable to tie my shoes for a couple months."
Yeah, her argument that she couldn't have committed the crime because she would have done a better job killing her kids is such bull because she obviously cared more about attention than their lives, health, or happiness.
It seems possible, if not probable, that she would have intentionally left one or two alive to draw out the sympathy and attention she would get.
If your kids die, you get sympathy and attention for a certain amount of time after their death and then eventually people forget and move on.
If your kids are in the hospitals for days or weeks or months, that sympathy and attention gets extended.
two DAMN months !!!
You got it all wrong, the whole event was the doing a mysterious man by the totally real name of Elvis jagger Abdul jabber!
She could've killed her kids far more efficiently, so surely what I'm saying is true!
@@janeeyre1990 I don't think she deliberately let Christie live. She noted at the hospital "oh, the bullet missed her heart"?, clearly disappointed. Plus leaving any witnesses means they can testify against her.
My channel covers true crime and we covered Susan Smith who killed her two boys by driving them into a lake. Just like Diane Downs, she killed her kids and blamed a black guy for it. At the very least, Susan Smith was a better fake crier.
That smile she gave after talking about her dead daughter and not being able to get the picture of blood gushing out of her mouth is the best example of psychopathic behavior I’ve seen in a while. Wow that shit is wild
I would also like to have a moment of silence for Caylee Anthony... she never got justice and every time I see one of these videos I instantly think of her.
Her parole interview is incredible. She only gets emotional when she talks about her parents and how much they need her. The narcissism is absolutely on display. She's like reading a textbook.
I'm just shaking my head at her. After all these years, she hasn't changed one bit.
Kookaloos??? Haha wtf
@@WobblesandBean That is what I was doing the whole time she was talking to the parole board. She has had almost 4 decades of incarceration to at least try to work on herself but appears to have chosen not to. I don't know how they had the patience to sit and listen to her bs. Watching interviews of both she and Diane Zamora always leaves me feeling baffled that after sooooo much time, they refuse to just tell the truth.
@@kyleanderson2949 "Kookaloos" 😂
She's deliberately telling the most convoluted story in history in order to confuse the parole board. However, the parole board's correct response is "We don't understand this gibberish and you're obviously nuts, so we're letting you stay in prison."
An interesting thing: the prosecutor in this case was so moved by seeing Christie in the hospital that he took her in during the trial and eventually adopted her and her brother. He and his wife are such good people
That's like the one good thing about all this
It's a good thing but makes me mad their shit no good father didn't take them. He got away scott free to start a new life and have a new family
Probably one of the only people that little girl trusted
@@DeeRio9546 Maybe I’m thinking of a different person, but wasn’t Diane supposed to stay away from her children during the investigation? I thought I heard that he helped her visit them? Maybe the courts decided he obviously didn’t have their best interests at heart. Or maybe he just walked away 🤷🏻♀️ that’s just my speculation though. In all actuality, the kids were probably better off being adopted. Hopefully they’ve grown up and have been able to heal (mentally, emotionally and physically)
I totally agree!! What a miraculous thing!! I bet he’s at every one of her parole hearings too!!
To be so touched by what she did to her own children that he not only felt for them but he adopted two special needs kids that also needed years of intense therapy, had major PTSD, & I’m sure trust & love had to be relearned!! Diane has sickened me since the first time I saw her on TV, I was around 9 or 10!!
My mother is like Diane. She did not want me and im surprised she didnt murder me. Some people are just broken
So sorry 😢😢
SAME.
Im sorry❤
I'm really sorry that happened to you 😢
I love how you play "Lost Keys" by Tool during her interview when she's lying about throwing her keys! Genius!
It's so weird.... it's like she just doesn't register that these interviewers are looking on at her with abject horror, not adoration. That she thinks they want to hear how she feels about her minor bullet wound, that she's being relatable, that they couldn't possibly convict her because she's so damn wonderful. Like, she's manipulative, but she's really bad at it.
The interviewer looks like she's trying to gain as much space from Diane as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if this interview keeps her up at night. Fucking disgusting.
She's too confident. Overconfident people often suffer from the Dunning-Kruger syndrome.
@@rijjhb9467 kind of, but this seems more like HUAD. Head Up Arse Disorder. Her perception of a situation is so unusual or extremely inaccurate, the interviews are left speechless.
Bcz she is a narcissist & is incapable of seeing things from other peoples perspectives. She is incapable of empathy. She can only feel her own pain, her own emotions. She is the center of the world, period.
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the horrible way she smirked when she said "i will never see cheryl on earth again." throw this lady away. i hope her children find peace.
Did you see the look of HORROR on the interviewers' face? The interviewer said that she was facing TRUE EVIL.
Hats off to Christie's therapists. Absolutely touching. My heart breaks for poor Christie.
That poor daughter being ambushed by her mum on the dads visit and taken for a drive for hours must have been TERRYFING. I can't imagine how much more trauma that must have caused.
I know , I thought the same thing
What I didn’t get why the father would even let this psycho near their kids.
Oh man I did not know that! That’s terrible
When I heard that I couldn’t even believe they allowed it.
Ahh not her trips but the time she did the same thing to her own victim
Had to have taken her right back to the moment. Can you imagine what this woman is like off-camera? I’d wager she gets very loud and can be very scary. And I’ll bet she used that to scare her poor daughter into silence again.
That duping delight smile when she talks about the blood gushing from her daughter’s mouth is TERRIFYING.
I thought of that exact phenomena! She's a really great example.
@@heatherbradford5722 Yup. She does it at several more points, too. Absolutely terrifying.
Fucking android. Seriously, it’s so inhuman it’s uncanny. People do overuse the word, but that must be, in the definitional sense, the most inhuman moment I’ve ever seen on camera. The sharp contrast is so jarring, I’ve seen interviews with murderers who where proud of what they did, and mocked their victim’s relatives while on trial, and it’s like “yeah you’re evil, that i understand”, but that’s far more chilling than that.
I think she is more enjoying the effect her words had on the lady who was interviewing her !
@@alexbarry637 > I doubt she's that cognizant
These kind of people truly terrify me. They have zero feelings and zero problem wiping you out for their own gain and pleasure.
All of her children were beautiful. What a cruel sick woman. Poor babies. As someone who has lost a child I am baffled by people who could do this, I guess because I don't have NPD
She bought a trinket that “memorialized” her kids a week before they were killed, this alone sealed Diane’s guilt
Yeah that doesn’t seal guilt alone.
I believe that you are 100% correct.
What about Life Insurance , Always And Forever Magnet for the Fridge or Your All My Little DEVILS .?
It kinda does, and it definitely does here.
What was the trinket?
She sure knows how to a) not answer a question and b) say a whole lot of words while saying absolutely nothing.
Its a common tactic among people like this. Overwhelm with info and people will get mentally tired. She's a monster
It’s the same tactic politicians use when they’re asked difficult questions.
I actually had to skip her parts because I was getting annoyed listening to her useless rambling lol
‘Word Salad’ I believe it’s called.
Narc types do this all the time
Goddamn this lady was long winded as hell! That parole hearing was something else!!
I’m so happy that no one forced Christie to talk or rushed her, but instead let her know that she was safe and that her health and wellbeing was the most important thing!
as someone who lives in Springfield I love your coverage of this and the Kip Kinkle Thurston shooting growing up here even going to Thurston I have always been interested in these so its nice to see someone put together a full videos explaining everything in such good detail
The fact that she really said “I’m not stupid, if I’d done this I’d have done a better job” 😂😂😂 I can’t.
Many murderers use the, "I am so smart that please, if I wanted to do this, which I did not, nobody would have a clue, especially cops."
Her Alibi is " I would kill 3 kids Correctly" ( Chilling & creepey)!
that’s the only thing she’s maintained
The thing she can’t accept about this horrific crime, isn’t that she murdered her poor children, but that she failed at completing the “task” correctly. The level of psychopathy is off the charts.
It's such a common defense too. Like they're trying to rationalize why it logically wouldn't be them, but just end up sounding bizarrely morally okay with it.
I always love it when a narcissist’s defense is “if it was me, I would have done a better job.” They have to admit and talk about what a bad job they did, and what stupid decisions they made.
The baby that Diane was pregnant with was obvi adopted and only found out who her bio mother was when her "friends" in school sat her down and showed her the lifetime movie about Diane, that's how she found out. I remember watching her interview and she is a pretty young woman, despite looking eerily similar to Diane.
I wonder why the kids at school went out of their way to make sure she knew how awful her biological mother (whom she was never going to meet) was? Sounds like they were just trying to hurt her.
This is so informative ! Thank you for sharing 🌻
Wow she really dug her own grave in those interviews. My mother is also narcissist who also says crazy things, thinking that it's totally normal and ok. Like when I was 15 and a girl I was good friends with had committed suicide and my mother responded with "its ok we didn't really like her anyway did we?" as an attempt to comfort me. She seemed totally unaware that everyone who heard had dropped their jaws at what she said.
Yikes. That's an odd thing to say....
Yknow that’s really messed up but in her own way she probably was doing the best she could to comfort you. I feel bad for those people. They really do not get it and can’t feel like a normal person. A very hollow existence
You're 15 and she's your good friend, committed suicide, what she said totally lack of empathy 😢
this is also a thing that someone with autism could say, the different is ASPD have little to none emotions for others, but someone with autism has emotions and love for others but can't express them or express them in the weirdest possible way and can come across as rude or shocking.
and the problem a lot of females on the spectrum doesn't get diagnosed with autism because the symptoms for females aren't obvious like males just like ADHD.
It was her downfall in the police interviews, too. They realized they could make her mad by not believing her, because she was so sure she was smarter than all of them. Instead of having normal human reactions she instead got a particular type of prickly and defensive and willing to change her story.
That little smile she gave in the interview just after describing the blood coming out of her daughter’s mouth was extremely disturbing and sinister to look at. Then there was the part in the video where she laughed while reenacting the scene in the car with the detectives. Nothing short of a complete psychopath!
I noticed that too where her eyes went wide and she smirked a bit while describing it. It is so haunting. It’s like recalling what she did to her own children excites her.
I saw a piece with that woman reporter talking about that interview & she said Diane kept going on & on about gushing blood and laughed when the reporter got sick & had to go vomit.
People use this metaphor a lot. But that, as a mom, that made my blood run cold.
i first saw her case in a video using that to explain "duping delight"
she enjoyed the crime...thats the only time we see joy in her face... also she rolls her eyes saying cheryl's name... she is just evil
Really superb job, Dreddy! Earned a sub here. All the other dd summaries on yt are rehashes of stuff I already know. You did some spade work to unearth less publicized facts, and thoughtful analysis to present a fuller picture. How refreshing!
When I first saw the story I immediately thought Jenelle Evans and then seeing it on TikTok for the first time, that’s all anyone else said… not just the physical resemblance but the narcissistic personality and the cadence in the way they speak
Her not producing a SINGLE tear during her interview for parole really took me out! Like, you haven’t changed even a little. She’s right where she belongs
That's how i knew susan smart killed her boys...whole lot of sobbing but not a single tear ( also refered to them in past tense before they were found)
She made one fake tear for the fact that her parents will get tomatoes thrown at her because she's so damn famous it's like my god woman. You can tell she's spent the entire time since her last parole hearing working on this.
The least she could do is practice fake crying in prison!
really shows her complete and utter lack of empathy. most psychopaths can fake emotion to some extent, but she couldn't even feign remorse or manage to squeeze out a single tear because she doesn't know what it's like to be sad and feel guilt. terrifying.
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When Diane said "I live with 4,000 of the worst people in humanity." I thought there you go, that's Diane to believe she is the only good one amongst 4,000 others. In reality she is one of the worst.
This is a thing most people do to protect themselves from the reality that they have become someone or something that they hate. People who hate their jobs will be like "Everyone else here is so dumb, I could do way better" but at the end of the job they chose to work there. It's completely normal though
If everywhere you go smells like sh*t it might be time to check your shoe.
Narcissists are TOTALLY DELUSIONAL, they cannot face reality AT ALL.
love your channel you go in-depth and actually talk about everything thnks
I appreciate so much the breaks in the video to make fun of her or acknowledge of how insane this is, brings some humanity to it and your saying what we all want to
Just the fact that she said she "wouldn't change it if I could" tells you she did it. Even if her story had been legitimate, any mother with a shred of empathy would've hated themselves for being there on that night. If it happened to me and mine, I'd soon be dead by my own hand from the guilt. What a piece of work that woman is.
Totally agree
Life is so unfair. There are so many women who can’t have kids and would make great mothers and then there are people like Diane who keep getting pregnant and then mistreating her innocent kids.
Sorry, but the “I’m so unlucky because I couldn’t tie my shoes” followed by the *wah* was too good. This lady is such a loser. My heart goes out to her children, they did nothing to deserve such a mother.
This is the best put together Diane Downs video I’ve ever watched.
I didn't plan on being a mom, but it happened, and I was suddenly excited. I feel like I became a different person entirely. Children make you softer, more patient, and guilt is stronger. Motherhood came easily.
My son is about to be 3 in October ❤
I can't understand how mothers can do this. Its so unnatural. Even being mentally ill, and I am as well, how can you hurt your child? I wouldn't even sleep at the hopsital because of my newborn. I hadn't even been around kids, he was so tiny and fragile looking and I was so terrified he would die. I just watched him the entire time. She just truly had no care. So much apathy towards her babies.
I never wanted and don’t like children at all. I decided I’m not someone who should be a parent at age 12 and that was that.
I got pregnant from an assault in 2000. I never wanted a baby, and everyone told me I’d change my mind and that I’d connect with the baby and it would be different with my own child. It wasn’t. I felt nothing and didn’t want him, and felt none of the protective or caring things I was told I would suddenly feel. I knew I could not and should not be a parent since I was very young. I’m not selfless, empathetic or patient enough. So I gave my baby up for adoption to a couple who did want him and couldn’t have children.
I don’t regret it, I don’t miss him, and I am glad he got a better life.
I wish Diane and others would have had the same insight when it came to her NOT being someone who should be a mother. It doesn’t end in disaster if you realize who you are and what you shouldn’t be trying to do.
Even witches would never ever hurt a baby
@@AKayfabeThe problem is she bullied and killed her child.
Why are psychopaths so fertile? Such a shame.
That is actually a great question.
Yes , that's I cant understand also. Like a wild damon.
I think it's because they have less consequence-thoughts. They just breed when most of us are thoughtful and use contraception
@@69SalterStreet Good analysis.
This was an ongoing thought I battled while dealing with secondary infertility.
Vividly describing traumatic events without a SINGLE TEAR EVER! She didn’t even fake being sad! This is a whole nother level of psychotic
And then just rendomly talking about her parents in depth on trial?
I'm still not over the fact that she was dancing and bopping along to "hungry like the wolf", the very song that was playing on the car stereo when the shooting occurred. 🤦🏼♀️
Seriously. A lot of the time, even when someone does something this messed up they might at least be driven to tears by guilt. She has a complete lack of empathy; a real psycho murderer. She is never getting parole.
i dont cry when talking about traumatic experiences. that may just be how she is.
I have BPD and am, a lot of the time, extremely emotional. However sometimes when I'm talking about traumatic things I don't cry. Obviously she's very different, a psychopath, but still.
I remember her saying "Well, would you expect me to cry CROCODILE tears?" Yes, I would, Diane, you're a REPTILE.
Don’t insult reptiles like that! Reptiles only eat *some* of their children!
I think this is my favorite true crime channel.
Blonde Bombshell!? Whoa, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
What I think is most hilarious is as a former US Navy sailor myself she tried to feed that line to her husband who had actually been in the Navy that they let her leave after a week because of blisters from the grueling tasks. For those who don't know the first week doesn't technically count as training, is what's known as processing days for p days. You literally are thrown together with roughly 80 other people measured for uniforms, fill out paperwork, get medical exams and shots and learn how to stencil every piece of clothing that you have. While it might make you want to jump out of window it's definitely not grueling. 😂😂
She's hideous lmao
Definitely not a blonde bombshell , thinks she is superior and gorgeous , a very real psychopath whose wants and needs only matter , rather have a man than her own kids , wow , a true monster .
I wonder why she was really thrown out. Low moral fiber? Mental issues?
10:30 I dunno, I think she looks rather pretty here. At any rate, the men she kept getting certainly saw something in her.
@@WobblesandBean no she's pretty ugly tbh. I'd hate to see what the other women in town liked like if the men found her irresistible
Thank you for including the information about the children’s father. I had no idea he’d helped Diane see the kids after she’d been ordered not to. It makes sense now why he lost parental rights. He’s as much of a scumbag as Diane is.
I believe that he's a guy who never grew up and never wanted parental responsibilities.
He absolutely was a victim of her manipulative behaviour, at least at the beginning. Somewhere along the way he became her enabler. Going through their relationship I initially felt sorry for him, but in the end saw what a pathetic excuse of a man he was/is.
He was on his own visitation when she showed up...his big mistake, not calling the cops right then and there and NOT allowing her to take her....not a very intelligent or caring human being to say the least.
Yeah, that part of the video confirmed he was an idiot.
He has ZERO backbone and she is a PSYCHO manipulator.
There are certain people out there where even knowing them brings hell into your life. She is definitely one of them.
Crying when she's talking about her "abusive" parents, but never once about her own children....
Women obsessed with looks make the most toxic mothers. My mom hated me for the way I looked but she doted on my brother because he was the cutest baby ever (we have the same parents but look very different). I came to rationalize that because I looked just like her but fat, she saw that as a blemish on her own "public image". At least she dint try to kil me, but Diane's attitude sounds pretty familiar to me.
My mom was/is obsessed with fat. She HATES fat people. She restricted food when we were children and shamed us for eating the food she served us. Never a vegetable, but we would be ridiculed for eating the Mac n cheese and meatloaf she served for dinner. All three of her kids are now fat adults, all with disordered eating, all in therapy, and all hold her at arms length.
@@heatheryoung9254 I sympathize with you both. It's scary how many of these "mothers" are out there. 🌹
As a mom of 2 daughters myself… my heart goes out to you. I make sure I tell my girls every day how wonderful they are, as I too had a narcissist for a mom. Mine had many issues and I forgive her, but there are a lot of scars 😢
My mom's the same, but with image more than looks. To this day she's abusive towards me, but refuses to acknowledge it, or anything else that would risk her looking like a bad mother. She frustratingly denies and gaslights, saying she never said this, never did that, etc. Behind closed doors she's a demon, but if anyone else is around, she's sunshine and rainbows.
So of course, no one ever believed me growing up if I dared to reach out for help. Then of course it'd come back to her (so much for confidentiality) and she'd be LIVID. She'd rather force her children to pretend she's a good mom via abuse, fear, and authoritarianism, rather than just...be a good mom.
@@WobblesandBean Same here. And it still makes me feel bad, angry and sad, and I don't know what else. I think I watch true crime to see the same patterns in other people so I can finally get that it's not me, it's them, and I shouldn't be that bothered by that, you know, same way you wouldn't get angry at a venomous snake for biting you, they all operate on instincts and impulses and stuff.. But it still hurts and still makes me angry. I hope you're doing great, sending you hugs 💜
I’ll never get over what passes for “beautiful” and “attractive” in various parts of the country.
She might be an 8 in Alabama but a 2 in Miami
Skinny blonde. They like that.
She's got that creepy heavy lidded eye look that some men find sexy. She also is flirty and would be crazy in bed. So, seductive more than attractive.
More like “in the 1980’s”, every era has its own beauty standards and she’s reminiscent of princess Diana which she fully leaned into imho
@@leemannino9347 Yeah i can see how she was a bombshell in the 80s, especially after learning how to do her hair and makeup. Clearly it worked considering how many men she roped in
44:10 Claiming that she “wouldn’t change things if I could” is the CRAZIEST thing a person could ever say when it comes to someone claiming to be innocent who is also claiming that her children were murdered by a random person.
“My kids and I always took back roads”, as if somehow that matters more than her children being alive??
Anyone who is even close to normal would be saying stuff like
“I swear to god if I ever thought something like this could happen on one of our back road drives I’d have never taken a back road for my entire life!!” not presenting it like maintaining old habits somehow matters more than the lives of their children!! 🤯
Really good job, as always, Dreading.
But during your Christie Ann segment, you left out something super important.
After Diane took Christie for that hour-long drive, in violation of the court order, the judge ordered her to videotape a message for the daughter, telling her it was okay to TELL the truth!! That's more relevant than what the psychologist did.
She didn’t have children so she could love them. She had children so they could love her.
Like many parents
oh, I thought she had children because she wanted them to experience absolute love and affection from their lovely mother!
Yes, that's what she said
Definitely has narcissistic personality disorder.
Well said
What a brave and strong person Christie is. Facing your assailant in court is so traumatic that many adults can’t handle it. But imagine having to do so when that person is your own mother. Anne Rule, who wrote a book about all this, stated in an interview in 2005 that both children went on to have happy lives. Christie graduated college, married, and has children of her own. Danny chooses not to disclose details about his private life. I’m so glad that at after surviving such a horrific start to their life, they were adopted by loving parents and found happiness.
*ANN Rule
And Diane delivered her fourth child while in prison and she was put for adoption. She reached out to her sister as an adult but understands if she does not always feel comfortable with her
@@wendiwonderly1419 Put up for adoption, not put for adoption. Bad sentence structure.
Me too. It either makes or breaks you. I bet they are so positive now. 👊🏻
Yes, its a crazy case. Have you heard the audio of the same daughter later admitting she had zero memory of her mother shooting them? Its on youtube. Called "Christie Hugi speaks out" . Its weird they allowed the prosecutor to adopt her kids though...
Calling her second daughter ugly but it's her genetics lmao
At 1:11:23 listen to what she says. VERY telling. She says “….Kristy told her school mates that I shhh, she drew pictures…”. She was clearly about to say “Kristy told her school mates that I shot her”. But she caught herself. That was one of her most obvious subconscious screw ups to me.
Yep, good catch. I agree with you.
Wow, I didn't even notice that, but listening back it's so obvious
Diane Downs is absolutely terrifying. No conscience, no remorse, no empathy. No doubt that if she was released she would continue with the same behavior.
Diane Downs, is a full blown delusional narcissist.
True she probably goes after her daughter for revenge .
Fortunately, no intelligence either
I think more than Diane smiling because she wants to be convincing to the interviewer, she smirks because she just can't contain herself. It almost seems like she finds it an amusing memory to look back on.
The only other time I've gotten goosebumps from watching an interview is when I saw the Zachary Davis interview where he giggles while talking about the murder of his mum.
Duping delight. She really was convinced at the time that she’d pulled it off
What really gets me about cases like this is that all she had to do if she didn't want to be a mother, was to just give the kids to their father. She literally could have just signed over custody to him, and then went off to live her life.
My mom used to say that same thing to me "I had kids so I could feel loved" or "I had kids so they could make me happy"
These types of women have no business being mothers
Then people like you wouldn't be born
Yes!!!! Same here! It is awful. You don't bring children into the world for that reason, it will never end well, and your children will not be treated properly when you feel that they exist only to worship and love you no matter how you treat them. True narcissists...sad.
What's a good reason to have kids then?
Because I can't think of a single one that isn't selfish.
i mean did she mistreat you or are we just kind of policing when women are allowed to reproduce and for what reasons.. i think her issue was trying to trap men with pregnancy
@@Mischa21xo yah thats a legitimate concern, like there is going to be a point where your child hates you. i dont think its a terrible reason to have a kid, but its terrible if once their kid hates them, they no longer want the child
Regardless of how intelligent she is, her emotional intelligence betrays her every time.
Great way to say that
The 2020 parole hearing is so crazy. its worth a listen.
Diane Downs was my Mail lady. I was born in 1979 in Cottage Grove OR. I believe Diane lived in Springfield OR, but worked for the post office in Cottage Grove. When I was around 3 my family lived on Garoutte Rd which was part of Diane's mail route. I knew when the mails was coming and if it was ok with my mother I'd wait at the bottom of the hill next to the mailbox for Diane. She was always so sweet and nice. Because I was so young, my mother just told me that Diane got into trouble, and that was it. When I was around 10 she went into detail...I was so confused.
"Instead she's the one who was unlucky, because she couldn't tie her shoes (wah)"
I love those little asides, the bits where you break character and insert some comment mocking the absurdity of the situation are always really funny.
Those types of responses are from socially awkward people who were hardly socialized
I loved that little "wah", too 😂 A welcome moment of humor in this terribly dark case.
@@WobblesandBean My favorite is in the Celebration murders video where he's reading the letter and he stops in the middle of a sentence to go "What the fuck IS this, God this is so stupid"
Yeah but psychology is supposed to be a science. I don't come here to hear him mock people. He should change the title from crime and psychology to crime and 'humor' then.
Edit: anyway my dissatisfaction with vulgar, pop 'psychology' of true crime channels is what prompted me to study actual, scientific psychology.
@@vladimirsolovyov666 it's just a little "wah" that lasts seconds and the video is way longer than that, it's not like he's constantly making jokes
honestly i just found this channel and i think it's the most serious one i've come across
Hats off to the detectives/therapists for gaining Christy's trust with the exercise of writing the name of the her attacker on the paper, sealing it in the envelope and putting it in the fire until she was ready to not throw it in.. Clearly an efficient exercise but especially in many ways for her.. It must have been such a release for her and a major psychological barrier essential to her coming to terms with the whole situation her mother inflicted on her.. I really find this such a tragic story for everyone involved
Yes. That was brilliant.
Brilliant and deeply respectful.
I remember reading a book written by Anne Rule years ago about Diane... let me tell you - I cried for those kids, and went and hugged my babies. Diane is completely delusional.
*Her daughter gets shot.*
Diane: Boy, this reminds of that one time-
The fact that she never cries when talking about her kids but breaks down at the thought of her parents being hurt...it makes my blood boil.
@Neil Chambers The same parents she threw under the bus and lied about during her trial... unbefuken-lievable.
Which is hilarious to me, considering earlier she was accusing her father of CSA. 🙄
She’s a narcissist and realized that without her parents she’s literally alone in the world
@@WobblesandBean right that got me 😂😂😂 reminds me of Casey Anthony accusing her dad of k*lling her daughter but she was living rent free with them for years before and after her daughter was killed and also took their money for her lawyers like girl pick a struggle
It's not hard to understand WHY though. I highly suspect she has severe BPD among her other diagnoses. Especially from the last part, where she said her Mum would do the same thing, that's a pointer to BPD right there, because maybe, at some very early point in childhood she might have been rejected by her mother and something like early emtional childhood trauma is among the leading causes for BPD. So she has those memories of times, where she was a scared, poweless child and to THAT she can relate and feel emotional and cry about, sadness for herself basically. Because that was before her illnessess had completely evolved and she couldn't and never actually tried to love anyone. Don't get me wrong: NOBODY, but herself is responsible for her actions, but those kinda early traumatic things are what create people like her and keep this cycle of abuse and murder and toxicity alive.
I for one am glad that I survived my childhood trauma, got treatment and had great support, because the mere thought of becoming anything like her simply scares me.
I found her description of how easily children can be replaced absolutely chilling. God bless the Hugo family for adopting her surviving kids.
When you're a psychopath anyone can be replaced. They don't mean anything to you. Extremely chilling.
But she didn't hit her cast on the car door. She even lied about that. And she said, "this is worse than..."
Love the TOOL soundtrack during The Interviews.
Her word vomit during the parole hearing is just insane
Right. I'm already exhausted listening to her.
I know!! It's endless!!!
🫤 good god it was insane how long she spoke about absolutely nothing!! Not to mention how she never answered any questions!!!
I had to fast forward, good god lol
wtf is a kookaloo?
I once dated a woman with the same look in her eyes as Dianne. She nearly drove me insane. She loved attention and was VERY manipulative. I looked her up a few weeks ago and saw that she’d been arrested for attempted murder.
Amazing in bed though, right?
@@williebeemin22 ABSOLUTELY!! I still have sex flashbacks until this very day.
@@theuniverse7227 💀
Good poon is always attached to a psycho.
Just like my soon to be ex wife… unfortunately.