In case you didn't know, that Oliver painted on the road is Juan Martínez Oliver, a local rider who was a professional back in the 80s and still organizes a sportive along those roads today. Sorry Oliver...
No mention of the most useful tip in my opinion. Fix your eyes on where you intend to exit as you'll naturally follow where you're looking. Never look at what you're aiming to avoid (usually the edge of the road) as you'll probably start moving towards it then panic and try and readjust.
Also for when you are riding in traffic - I always feel safer, when doing left corners, because if I lose grip, I am not going to slide into the path of the coming traffic, so as a general rule, I take corners more conservatively, when I am doing right corners.
The problem with leaning is that it's really hard to know there's loose gravel in the corner.. it only takes a tiny bit of it for you to potentially break your arm or worse if you were leaning too much
I've been binge watching these videos trying to find answers on how to find out the real maximum lean angle on your bicycle because I had an accident leaning into a corner on gravel a few months ago. I know now that the cause of the accident was a combination of wearing out breaks - I had just come out of a much tighter corner with even more speed, and I could smell the brakes for 5 minutes before, though I thought it was the ebike motor having trouble climbing up the hill - breaking too quickly causing slippage and obviously speed and road tyres on gravel. I now have trouble cornering because of the lost confidence - the bike feels "wobbly" when pedalling and I'm scared of leaning too much so much so I either barely lean at all or slow down too much. So far I didn't find a satisfying answer, everonye seems crazy leaning so much to me right now - but I will try the experiment at 07:05 on different surfaces, and I'll try to push boundaries at least at low speeds (but not too low, that's actually more dangerous obviously), hopefully I'll be able to have fun biking as before in no time!
@@MenkoDany yea it's really scary bcuz in the area i live in gravel and sand are everywhere even in the middle of the road so i just tested my boundries going low speeds
@@techartic4771 I kind of did that too before, I've realised quickly that leaning on gravel is just recipe for disaster. Thing is, while I was going downhill that day, I was testing my limits, and I was successfully going further than I anticipated. I wasn't even thinking I was doing something crazy the turn that I crashed... Now I'm scared to even try at low speeds because doctors told me I can't fall again for months otherwise it won't heal or wil heal badly. Currently both of my wrists hurt even though it's been 4 months. I can't even do a painless pull-up :/
@@MenkoDany I wish you a speedy recovery, i guess you have to slow down when leaning for a couple months then try again and don't push the bike to the limit.
Really informative video. If you cannot see the exit or don't know the roads well, it can be really dangerous. I almost clipped a car on an unknown blind descent. The corner sharpened around a blind curve and I crossed the line into traffic. Scared me and the driver to death. Just be careful. Totally my own fault, but could have been a bad result. Hopefully a word to the wise to save a potential disaster.
You will always know when you have the right line you will be slow in to the turn and very fast out of the turn i raced motorbikes for many years same applies to cycling
My tip would be too go too a short, flat, fast course with a variety of corners. Practice going around it for a while and hopefully when you are done you can corner well.
I don’t believe you mentioned to be visually focused on where you want the be when cornering, not what you want to avoid (oncoming cars, the edge, the other lane). Basic, but helpful. I find if there’s one thing to intentionally think about in the corner, it’s where I am looking.
I now feel like in general, as I’m 61 and not cycled for about 40 plus years, that I need to look at attending a cycling proficiency course which I did at age 10. Ive driven a lorry for 26 years and had regular courses on cycling (yep, had to go on a bicycle course then for half a day out on the road and half a day doing course work) but feel I need more than that as I’m not very confident and wobble when glancing over my shoulder etc. I’ve just bought a Triban 500 from Decathlon (£650) got a Wahoo and also got Exposure lights so I’m really excited and dedicated about the hobby, I just want to stay safe and I’ve always believed you can never learn enough. I heart failure so need to cycle at a steady pace so joining a cycling club at the moment isn’t a great idea, but will do so once my heard cardio gets better and I can keep up, unless of course there’s clubs for riders with heart issues, only just thought of that 🧐
This is good on Close road. But if its an Open road where there are incoming vehicles this are not advisable as u might come direct head on with an incoming cars.
it's easier to show the ideal line, when you have the whole road to work with. It makes it clearer for the audience. However, the same principals apply on a closed road, you just use the road available to work with.
Great, informative video. I would just like to add that turning in too early is always a big mistake, especially on open roads - you will always have a wide exit which can cause a few problems. A late turn can also give you a little extra braking time if you are going in a bit hot.
5:18 haha gold moment, also one example of bad cornering line is being to close to the side of the road before approaching the corner apex so you have too small of an angle to cut the corner and that will guide you to the opposite lane once you exit the apex leaving you in a situation of frontal hit by an upcoming traffic
I've found it helps to watch Motorsport like F1, tarmac rallying etc... Both tv cameras and onboard cameras just to see how they brake(trail braking), the lines they take and how they balance weight through corners. It would probably be good to watch some Isle of Man TT as that brings in the element of tilting the bike into it. Playing racing video games has helped me understand better as well.
Good luck leaning your bike over on UK roads. If you don't hit a pothole then you'll come a cropper on all the gravel and crap that's covering the tarmac.
Thanks guys, great vid. Any extra advice for a really light, 58 kg, rider descending? Sometimes I almost feel like by back wheel is "floating" beneath me, which is disconcerting.
John Lyons from what I understand, could you be leaning a bit forward and grabbing too much front brake? I'm a similar weight and tend to de-weight saddle and slide back a bit, not sure if it works but I feel more confident anyway
Low your pressure the number is not important just inflate and test with al your wheight in the wheel if hit the rim is too low you wanna put enough to put al your wheight a deform good but without touching the rim that way the tyre will be faster in broken roads a offer more grip in wet. But with perfect dry Roads you can use max pressure will be very fast
Can you do a vid showing where you lean while cornering please, to make sure your C-of-G is as low as possible? As far as I can make out, you lean/press down of course on the pedal that's down, but for the handlebars do you lean down on the inside side or the outside side? (hope that question makes sense!)
7:25 Although you can indeed put a lot of weight through the bike when leaning, it's important to note that, when you're cornering at speed, you're putting _more_ than your whole body weight through the bike since the tyre-ground interface is supporting your whole weight _and_ providing the centripetal force that turns you through the corner instead of going straight on.
but the weight is not supported by friction in the tyre-patch, but - like a table on the floor (sorry, don't know how to express in English...) one more thought: theoretically, weight doesn't matter at all, since the max. friction force is proportional to the weight-component. double weight -> double centrifugal force -> but also double max. friction force (limit of centripetal force)
I understand this is a closed road, so how about all the regular folks that are cycling on roads where there are cars coming up on other sides of the road?
My first fast group ride, I crashe dout on a sharp corner, its really made it hard to get the confidence to lean harder into corners for fear of the bike coming out from under me :(
When I used to ride motorcycles I would get my body lower than the bike to allow the bike to road angle to be a little more upright, reducing the chances of a wipe out. Do people not do that on push bikes too?
what about the line when is a closed road? Given for closed road ie apex on inner line, but for open roads this would be a bad idea! I would guess would need much slower entry speeds to enable to hit the apex which is the correct side of the white line, as much less room for run off?
Textbook examples of cornering during a race....a different aporoach is used in those blind and sharp road bends where the cyclist is unaware of the incoming traffic during a regular ride, knowing that you can not invade the opposite side if the road
I wonder if the pros ever consult people in motorsports, the whole sport is based on how to go round corners as fast as possible, there is a lot of time to be gained.
reflectionsdetail To go round a right handed, push on the right side of the bars. To go round a left handed push on the left side of the bars. On a motorbike this drops the bike into the corner nicely, however it would be unwise to use the same amount of force on a bicycle. It’s the same as everything else, practise makes perfect (or at least better!)
acc. to my understanding counter-steering is as follows: to enter a right-handed turn, you first steer to the left. the centrifugal force 'forces' you into a tilt to the right (leaning into the corner), and then you steer to the right. you have to do this on every 2-wheeler, otherwise there is no way leaning into the corner. (unless you wait until you fall to the right side by chance). the more you steer to the opposite side, the more you will tilt over from the beginning on.
Aren't these dangerous cornering techniques on a public road? Cutting across into the opposite lane ! Sure it's the smoothest line, but you are on a public road !!!
They indeed do talk about the different safe lines for cornering both on a closed road - like you would often get on a Sportive in Europe for example , and also for safety on a public road with buses etc crossing towards you in hairpin bends .
In case you didn't know, that Oliver painted on the road is Juan Martínez Oliver, a local rider who was a professional back in the 80s and still organizes a sportive along those roads today. Sorry Oliver...
No mention of the most useful tip in my opinion. Fix your eyes on where you intend to exit as you'll naturally follow where you're looking. Never look at what you're aiming to avoid (usually the edge of the road) as you'll probably start moving towards it then panic and try and readjust.
Also for when you are riding in traffic - I always feel safer, when doing left corners, because if I lose grip, I am not going to slide into the path of the coming traffic, so as a general rule, I take corners more conservatively, when I am doing right corners.
I have good Given eye hand coordination as well as my foot coordination as well 2:33
Plus. Using my knees on cornering as my riding style while I ride bike 5:03
The problem with leaning is that it's really hard to know there's loose gravel in the corner.. it only takes a tiny bit of it for you to potentially break your arm or worse if you were leaning too much
I've been binge watching these videos trying to find answers on how to find out the real maximum lean angle on your bicycle because I had an accident leaning into a corner on gravel a few months ago. I know now that the cause of the accident was a combination of wearing out breaks - I had just come out of a much tighter corner with even more speed, and I could smell the brakes for 5 minutes before, though I thought it was the ebike motor having trouble climbing up the hill - breaking too quickly causing slippage and obviously speed and road tyres on gravel. I now have trouble cornering because of the lost confidence - the bike feels "wobbly" when pedalling and I'm scared of leaning too much so much so I either barely lean at all or slow down too much. So far I didn't find a satisfying answer, everonye seems crazy leaning so much to me right now - but I will try the experiment at 07:05 on different surfaces, and I'll try to push boundaries at least at low speeds (but not too low, that's actually more dangerous obviously), hopefully I'll be able to have fun biking as before in no time!
@@MenkoDany yea it's really scary bcuz in the area i live in gravel and sand are everywhere even in the middle of the road so i just tested my boundries going low speeds
@@techartic4771 I kind of did that too before, I've realised quickly that leaning on gravel is just recipe for disaster. Thing is, while I was going downhill that day, I was testing my limits, and I was successfully going further than I anticipated. I wasn't even thinking I was doing something crazy the turn that I crashed... Now I'm scared to even try at low speeds because doctors told me I can't fall again for months otherwise it won't heal or wil heal badly. Currently both of my wrists hurt even though it's been 4 months. I can't even do a painless pull-up :/
@@MenkoDany I wish you a speedy recovery, i guess you have to slow down when leaning for a couple months then try again and don't push the bike to the limit.
@@MenkoDanyThanks for sharing your story and hoping you overcome your injuries.
Really informative video. If you cannot see the exit or don't know the roads well, it can be really dangerous. I almost clipped a car on an unknown blind descent. The corner sharpened around a blind curve and I crossed the line into traffic. Scared me and the driver to death. Just be careful. Totally my own fault, but could have been a bad result. Hopefully a word to the wise to save a potential disaster.
You will always know when you have the right line you will be slow in to the turn and very fast out of the turn i raced motorbikes for many years same applies to cycling
My tip would be too go too a short, flat, fast course with a variety of corners. Practice going around it for a while and hopefully when you are done you can corner well.
But with that perfect line, aren't you crossing into oncoming traffic lane?
Yes, have no idea what they're on about. They contradict themselves.
I don’t believe you mentioned to be visually focused on where you want the be when cornering, not what you want to avoid (oncoming cars, the edge, the other lane). Basic, but helpful. I find if there’s one thing to intentionally think about in the corner, it’s where I am looking.
That's the single most important thing to keep in mind! Thanks for writing it down
This Yanto guy presents well👍🏻
Nice if you happen to be able to use both lanes without being plastered to the front of a Milk float.
When cornering, the feathering the rear brake can also help you turn in better. Front slows more, rear helps rotate the bike more around corners.
@7:14 I liked this tip as a rough guide, but rolling friction will be less than the static friction in this demo
I now feel like in general, as I’m 61 and not cycled for about 40 plus years, that I need to look at attending a cycling proficiency course which I did at age 10. Ive driven a lorry for 26 years and had regular courses on cycling (yep, had to go on a bicycle course then for half a day out on the road and half a day doing course work) but feel I need more than that as I’m not very confident and wobble when glancing over my shoulder etc.
I’ve just bought a Triban 500 from Decathlon (£650) got a Wahoo and also got Exposure lights so I’m really excited and dedicated about the hobby, I just want to stay safe and I’ve always believed you can never learn enough.
I heart failure so need to cycle at a steady pace so joining a cycling club at the moment isn’t a great idea, but will do so once my heard cardio gets better and I can keep up, unless of course there’s clubs for riders with heart issues, only just thought of that 🧐
This is good on Close road. But if its an Open road where there are incoming vehicles this are not advisable as u might come direct head on with an incoming cars.
it's easier to show the ideal line, when you have the whole road to work with. It makes it clearer for the audience. However, the same principals apply on a closed road, you just use the road available to work with.
@@OllieBridgewood You mean clip the white line early and drift off towards the railings ???
Good vid. I can overcook it at times, but keeping head up and looking for your exit as you go.
Great, informative video. I would just like to add that turning in too early is always a big mistake, especially on open roads - you will always have a wide exit which can cause a few problems. A late turn can also give you a little extra braking time if you are going in a bit hot.
Top tip for extra confidence find a corner with your name on it ;-)
5:18 haha gold moment, also one example of bad cornering line is being to close to the side of the road before approaching the corner apex so you have too small of an angle to cut the corner and that will guide you to the opposite lane once you exit the apex leaving you in a situation of frontal hit by an upcoming traffic
haha glad you spotted that. it cracked me up! (on the corner)
Yanto Barker, the Real Gentleman of Biking.
Love the advice genuinely don’t think I’d be able to do it given the road I use most often is extremely busy with tragic
Fantastic!...just what I needed! I'm awful on descents.
I've found it helps to watch Motorsport like F1, tarmac rallying etc... Both tv cameras and onboard cameras just to see how they brake(trail braking), the lines they take and how they balance weight through corners. It would probably be good to watch some Isle of Man TT as that brings in the element of tilting the bike into it. Playing racing video games has helped me understand better as well.
Good luck leaning your bike over on UK roads. If you don't hit a pothole then you'll come a cropper on all the gravel and crap that's covering the tarmac.
or the strategically placed drain cover.
CnE
That is way I'm using 32mm tyres! Lol
pre-GCN Ollie ^^
Thanks guys, great vid. Any extra advice for a really light, 58 kg, rider descending? Sometimes I almost feel like by back wheel is "floating" beneath me, which is disconcerting.
John Lyons from what I understand, could you be leaning a bit forward and grabbing too much front brake? I'm a similar weight and tend to de-weight saddle and slide back a bit, not sure if it works but I feel more confident anyway
Low your pressure the number is not important just inflate and test with al your wheight in the wheel if hit the rim is too low you wanna put enough to put al your wheight a deform good but without touching the rim that way the tyre will be faster in broken roads a offer more grip in wet. But with perfect dry Roads you can use max pressure will be very fast
That brake sounds awesome
Can you do a vid showing where you lean while cornering please, to make sure your C-of-G is as low as possible? As far as I can make out, you lean/press down of course on the pedal that's down, but for the handlebars do you lean down on the inside side or the outside side? (hope that question makes sense!)
7:25 Although you can indeed put a lot of weight through the bike when leaning, it's important to note that, when you're cornering at speed, you're putting _more_ than your whole body weight through the bike since the tyre-ground interface is supporting your whole weight _and_ providing the centripetal force that turns you through the corner instead of going straight on.
but the weight is not supported by friction in the tyre-patch, but - like a table on the floor (sorry, don't know how to express in English...)
one more thought: theoretically, weight doesn't matter at all, since the max. friction force is proportional to the weight-component.
double weight -> double centrifugal force -> but also double max. friction force (limit of centripetal force)
I understand this is a closed road, so how about all the regular folks that are cycling on roads where there are cars coming up on other sides of the road?
or in GB, where they come up on the same side of the road😱
My first fast group ride, I crashe dout on a sharp corner, its really made it hard to get the confidence to lean harder into corners for fear of the bike coming out from under me :(
When I used to ride motorcycles I would get my body lower than the bike to allow the bike to road angle to be a little more upright, reducing the chances of a wipe out. Do people not do that on push bikes too?
what about the line when is a closed road? Given for closed road ie apex on inner line, but for open roads this would be a bad idea! I would guess would need much slower entry speeds to enable to hit the apex which is the correct side of the white line, as much less room for run off?
Is he the Oli from GCN?
Yes
any tips for people like me who turns stiff and scared and keep staying straight up instead of leaning? :0
Nice video! But why you are not riding your new Scott bike?
it was shot the week before Gwyneth arrived!
I just skid turn using back brake in very narrow corner
how is it the perfect line when he defintely crossed the white divider line
Very good video!
Do you get the inside knee out?
You bastard Yanto you tortured me in those 3/4 cat races in the south west before you turned pro......
yeah, beautiful cornering into a car comming the other way towards you
I know that place. It is velefique I al from Almería where is located
@cyclingweekly good video but could have been better with some overhead drone shots added.
it's called apex I think instead of mid point
helpful though
Top video guys
Textbook examples of cornering during a race....a different aporoach is used in those blind and sharp road bends where the cyclist is unaware of the incoming traffic during a regular ride, knowing that you can not invade the opposite side if the road
I wonder if the pros ever consult people in motorsports, the whole sport is based on how to go round corners as fast as possible, there is a lot of time to be gained.
sounds like a good idea for a video that!
Cycling has so much in common with motorsport and car culture, too bad the two worlds often only meet with malice.
The image in the video shows the rider cutting across lanes when executing the corner,most of the world of riders don’t ride on a closed road.
What Colnago bike is that?
Concept
Trail braking is not a good idea on a bike, unless in very few cases. Amazingly, it is the complete contrary in a race car
excelent
"dont cross the white line" Proceeds to show footage crossing the white line every time.
ObliskWA on an open road. They are presumably using a closed road.
you speak of counter steering, however, you didn't show what that exactly means
reflectionsdetail To go round a right handed, push on the right side of the bars. To go round a left handed push on the left side of the bars. On a motorbike this drops the bike into the corner nicely, however it would be unwise to use the same amount of force on a bicycle.
It’s the same as everything else, practise makes perfect (or at least better!)
It doesn't really matter -- it's something you're already doing, to pretty much exactly the right degree, without even knowing that you're doing it.
acc. to my understanding counter-steering is as follows: to enter a right-handed turn, you first steer to the left. the centrifugal force 'forces' you into a tilt to the right (leaning into the corner), and then you steer to the right. you have to do this on every 2-wheeler, otherwise there is no way leaning into the corner. (unless you wait until you fall to the right side by chance). the more you steer to the opposite side, the more you will tilt over from the beginning on.
Midpoint= Apex
“It’s all about being confident”
I really wish was, I always panic.
Ollie ollie ollie... where are you now? post gcn
Yanto chooses rim brakes
Nice, someone else descending on the hoods. It's not just me.
ask a british super biker
Go Go Yanto, I like Christmas Pantos
Aren't these dangerous cornering techniques on a public road? Cutting across into the opposite lane ! Sure it's the smoothest line, but you are on a public road !!!
They say this ffs 🤦♂️
They indeed do talk about the different safe lines for cornering both on a closed road - like you would often get on a Sportive in Europe for example , and also for safety on a public road with buses etc crossing towards you in hairpin bends .
This is MotoGP stuff with a bike
Too many adds. They are interrupting.
yanto barker javanese name
The title should say "on a closed road" someone may think they can do this on an open road with traffic.
Try not crossing the centreline next time.
I agree, most of us do not have the luxury of a close course. I would like to see your line, when you don’t cross the center line.
You guys wouldn't be copying GCN's videos would you ?1?!
To be fair there's only so many topics you can cover and cornering is a pretty fundamental one.
Uhh your on your hoods... Next video.