What I enjoy about this version is that there is a deep appreciation and love in what he is saying, it really sends home how there is no malice in what he doing he just sees it as the inevitable, just the truth of the world.
While I prefer the OG, the remake is really good, especially the dialogue. The voice shows that there’s a part of Ryoji who is still there and didn’t want this to happen, but he is demanded to carry out the Fall. Like what Métis said, Nyx is not a malevolent being. She was called because people wanted death.
Honestly as much as the old Nyx voice was cool, the new one recognisably sounding like Ryoji makes the fight even more tragic and personal than before.
Not a fan of them trying to make Nyx avatar more sympathetic or emotional since it’s literally just death they can’t do anything about it might as well play along with it and make it seem as menacing as possible.
@@rushisbased4581dude have you played the game? Ryoji eventually becomes the Nyx Avatar and never once does he lose his sympathy for the humans who's lives he's forced to bring to an end, even in the OG he was supportive and sounded like he was gonna cry when he apologised to them all, having the little extra bits is a nice touch!
"The moment man devoured the fruit of knowledge, he sealed his fate. Entrusting his future to the cards, man clings to a dim hope. Yet the arcana is the means by which all is revealed. Beyond the journey you have taken lies the absolute end. It matters not who you are. One thing is certain. Death awaits all." As excellent as the original.
Well I think it has to do with some dialogues in the Game. Some members says that Makoto is practically "unkillable". So this sentence makes scenes cause Makoto is quite unkillable throughout the game, + the Messiah persona of Makoto. But I agree Nyx doesn't talk directly to Makoto, but it as much more deeper meaning than the original.
While it makes sense to have him sound more humanlike (ryoji), what I like about the original is that cruel, unnerving and somewhat monsterous depiction death. It makes the fight more intimidating as the MC must overcome his fear and find peace. "It matters not who are... Death awaits you"
And that's what makes the original not so good. Cause Death isn't a monster or some cruel entity, it's neutral it doesn't care what or who you are. It's equalise everything.
I don't think it's a matter of old VA vs new VA that fundamentally changes Nyx's inflection but the lack of a filter. It's hard to tell how Yuri's version would have sounded like without the filter, while Aleks pretty much sounds wholly untouched. You can make an argument about which version is better but it doesn't have that much to do with the VAs.
Imo, this is more fitting and way better than original. It feels like Nyx truly waiting for death to come. Remember that Nyx avatar here are just harbinger of fall, not the real Nyx itself. People are just biased by nostalgia factor.
Philemon and Nyarlothothep are similar to Nyx, what I mean is that Philemon made a bet that humanity would reach enlightenment while Nyalothotep bet that humanity would destroy itself, how is this similar to Nyx? Well, Nyx wasn't a bad person, people were calling Nyx to kill/destroy us.
They all arent their own beings They are a collective wish of what humanity wants manifested into godly being that aims to complete that desire, they arent good or bad
I understand preferring the original this is definitely different but i like it honestly. I find the idea that Ryoji connection to humanity has fundamentally changed nyx in some way interesting. I mean nyx has always been encouraging in some ways with its arcana speechs so i feel it works
I'm fine with him sounding more Ryoji, it fits so much better, but I really wish they kept the exact same wording. Some rewritten lines just sound lamer, especially the last one.
@@Satzuii ...it literally was though? like you can prefer the new ones of course, but like the entire game was retranslated and localized lol fortune arcana for example fes: "along time exists fate, the bearer of cruelty..." reload: "ever-present along time is fortune, cruel and unflinching..." or death fes: "beyond the beaten path lies the absolute end. it matters not who you are... death awaits you" reload: "beyond the journey you have taken lies the absolute end. it matters not who you are... death awaits all"
Everyone here is talking about how the O.G. voice for Nyx was better, but I think this one is better. It sounds less like they just stuck the VA's lines through a filter, and the way Nyx delivers my absolute favorite of its lines in the Remake makes me so happy. "You cannot escape death. To live is to die; they are one and the same..."
@@gmaerliadgh Sorry to follow up on my comment so late, but I thought of a theory as to why ATLUS might've done that. FES Nyx feels more alien and hostile; that version wants you to feel intimidated and afraid of Nyx -- as you should be. Reload Nyx feels like they were going for a depressingly sympathetic take on Nyx; this thing was once your friend, and it still sounds like Ryoji, addresses SEES personally (especially Makoto, who can even address Nyx as Ryoji in a dialogue prompt during Phase 14), and even shows that it doesn't really want this fight to happen and still cares for SEES, shown in some of its voice lines for taking damage ("Why...?"), which is canonical according to The Answer. FES Nyx is supposed to feel alien and hostile, and Reload Nyx is supposed to feel tragic and somber.
I'd say new VA is better felt more like Ryuji was there, but i prefer the OG wording, they should've just copied the old quotes instead of altering them
I agree! The new one sounds more "human" and not "robot". When one considers Death is a friend of humanity in a way by looking at literature, media, arts, this one makes sense.
If you listen to the persona fes in Japanese, Nyx does not have the monster voice from the dub, he maintains Riojy's voice, in the remake they kept that characteristic being more attached to the original. In addition to the fact that it makes narrative sense, nyx avatar has that human characteristic thanks to the fact that he learned to be human, he still maintains something of his being inside. Fighting against nyx avatar, knowing that ryoji is inside, doing something he doesn't want, and it's inevitable, adds to what you want to beat him, you help him.
It also made no sense how Yukari spontaneously recognized Ryoji in P3F when he's a step away from sounding like a FNaF1 animatronic. In P3R he still sounds like Ryoji, just a scarier, deeper-voiced Ryoji.
Why do people keep saying this even though it's straight up wrong? Nyx's voice sounds distorted in Japanese FES. It's only in the anime where they removed the distortion.
@@pikachu896 man all versions are distorted, but p3 og english dub sounds nothing like ryoji unlike P3 FES japanese and P3R where you can listen ryojin behind the distortion
Overall, the original was too good. Her voice was ominous and emotionless, you were fighting a fight you can't win. Here, you can tell this is still Ryoji, honestly I would not have noticed Nyx was Ryoji in the original unless Yukari didn't mention it. Nyx is more human here, just like Ryoji gained some humanity through spending time with you.
So in the Japanese version it doesn’t have that filter on the voice. You know it’s ryoji so while the original English version is cool this one is more personal more of a fact that nyx has some human in them now since they lived in a human for so long.
@@logogogo4872 yeah Akihiko is the one I can't agree on. The funeral scene especially was done so dirty in the remake. Legit turned my favorite scene in the series to one that didn't elicit any emotions.
I like that there are People taking my Question Seriously, when its supposed to be a Joke Question with "The Means by which all is Revealed" as the Answer xD
@@WantedRaiderism the original voice in some way fits Nyx, as being an embodiment of death, it feels that Ryoji is gone. In the Reload Ryoji is still there which makes sense, it's just two different interpretation, the only thing i don't like is that some new lines are kinda speed up, sounding less ominous
bruh, why did they touch the already existing lines for each arcana? they were fine the way they were, they rewrote them to be worse in some cases (death). Like with death in the original versions of p3 it sounded more threatening and made it feel as if it was the final stretch of the fight but now it sounds fuckin stupid
@jennosyde709 the entire point is that the Nyx avatar is partly Ryoji, which gained humanity. It makes the fight more tragic because Ryoji hated the idea of the fall happening
@@WantedRaiderismI can understand that, but with such a vast physical change and the embodiment of death, some prefer the more ominous voice. The embodiment of death sounding so human sounds weird to me
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What I enjoy about this version is that there is a deep appreciation and love in what he is saying, it really sends home how there is no malice in what he doing he just sees it as the inevitable, just the truth of the world.
“It requires great courage to look within oneself, and forge one’s own path…”
"It matters not who you are, Death awaits you."
*my very soul leaving my body after hearing this line for the 100th time*
The arcana is the means by which all is revealed
While I prefer the OG, the remake is really good, especially the dialogue. The voice shows that there’s a part of Ryoji who is still there and didn’t want this to happen, but he is demanded to carry out the Fall. Like what Métis said, Nyx is not a malevolent being. She was called because people wanted death.
Honestly as much as the old Nyx voice was cool, the new one recognisably sounding like Ryoji makes the fight even more tragic and personal than before.
Yeah, the lines aren’t as intimidating, but it fits a lot more given the circumstances
Not a fan of them trying to make Nyx avatar more sympathetic or emotional since it’s literally just death they can’t do anything about it might as well play along with it and make it seem as menacing as possible.
I was thinking that, I like Yuri's more but that doesn't make Aleks's bad
@@rushisbased4581dude have you played the game? Ryoji eventually becomes the Nyx Avatar and never once does he lose his sympathy for the humans who's lives he's forced to bring to an end, even in the OG he was supportive and sounded like he was gonna cry when he apologised to them all, having the little extra bits is a nice touch!
@@lowhp_comicblinded by nostaglia
"The moment man devoured the fruit of knowledge, he sealed his fate. Entrusting his future to the cards, man clings to a dim hope. Yet the arcana is the means by which all is revealed. Beyond the journey you have taken lies the absolute end. It matters not who you are. One thing is certain. Death awaits all."
As excellent as the original.
Too bad he doesn't say "Eternity awaits" like in Portable
"THE TIME HAS COME"
The one thing I didn't like in this version is the change of "death awaits all" in the original it's said "you" like is directly towards the player.
Well I think it has to do with some dialogues in the Game. Some members says that Makoto is practically "unkillable". So this sentence makes scenes cause Makoto is quite unkillable throughout the game, + the Messiah persona of Makoto. But I agree Nyx doesn't talk directly to Makoto, but it as much more deeper meaning than the original.
99% of the comments are people complaining about the VA.
Why do people complain about this anyway...?
@@Susanoo-ii9uy nostalgia and hatred of any change at all
@@darkspiro6467Yup, must be. Can't possibly be people legitimately preferring the old voice, could it?
I really like this take, sounds like Ryoji is still in there and is trying to give you guys a chance
While it makes sense to have him sound more humanlike (ryoji), what I like about the original is that cruel, unnerving and somewhat monsterous depiction death. It makes the fight more intimidating as the MC must overcome his fear and find peace.
"It matters not who are... Death awaits you"
And that's what makes the original not so good. Cause Death isn't a monster or some cruel entity, it's neutral it doesn't care what or who you are. It's equalise everything.
Sounds alot more poetic in a way that the original didn't really have
1:15 akihiko jumpscare
Never played the original persona 3, but seen clips and heard both versions of Nyx. I have no bias to either one. I love both VAs.
I don't think it's a matter of old VA vs new VA that fundamentally changes Nyx's inflection but the lack of a filter. It's hard to tell how Yuri's version would have sounded like without the filter, while Aleks pretty much sounds wholly untouched. You can make an argument about which version is better but it doesn't have that much to do with the VAs.
0:12 Sounds like Nyx Avatar took some cough lollies!!!
Imo, this is more fitting and way better than original.
It feels like Nyx truly waiting for death to come. Remember that Nyx avatar here are just harbinger of fall, not the real Nyx itself.
People are just biased by nostalgia factor.
Philemon and Nyarlothothep are similar to Nyx, what I mean is that Philemon made a bet that humanity would reach enlightenment while Nyalothotep bet that humanity would destroy itself, how is this similar to Nyx? Well, Nyx wasn't a bad person, people were calling Nyx to kill/destroy us.
They all arent their own beings
They are a collective wish of what humanity wants manifested into godly being that aims to complete that desire, they arent good or bad
Chariot, hermit, and justice hit different for me.
I understand preferring the original this is definitely different but i like it honestly. I find the idea that Ryoji connection to humanity has fundamentally changed nyx in some way interesting. I mean nyx has always been encouraging in some ways with its arcana speechs so i feel it works
I'm fine with him sounding more Ryoji, it fits so much better, but I really wish they kept the exact same wording. Some rewritten lines just sound lamer, especially the last one.
Nothing changed it was just added to, it’s better in every way
@@Satzuii ...it literally was though? like you can prefer the new ones of course, but like the entire game was retranslated and localized lol
fortune arcana for example
fes: "along time exists fate, the bearer of cruelty..."
reload: "ever-present along time is fortune, cruel and unflinching..."
or death
fes: "beyond the beaten path lies the absolute end. it matters not who you are... death awaits you"
reload: "beyond the journey you have taken lies the absolute end. it matters not who you are... death awaits all"
Everyone here is talking about how the O.G. voice for Nyx was better, but I think this one is better. It sounds less like they just stuck the VA's lines through a filter, and the way Nyx delivers my absolute favorite of its lines in the Remake makes me so happy.
"You cannot escape death. To live is to die; they are one and the same..."
I 100% agree
@@gmaerliadgh Sorry to follow up on my comment so late, but I thought of a theory as to why ATLUS might've done that. FES Nyx feels more alien and hostile; that version wants you to feel intimidated and afraid of Nyx -- as you should be. Reload Nyx feels like they were going for a depressingly sympathetic take on Nyx; this thing was once your friend, and it still sounds like Ryoji, addresses SEES personally (especially Makoto, who can even address Nyx as Ryoji in a dialogue prompt during Phase 14), and even shows that it doesn't really want this fight to happen and still cares for SEES, shown in some of its voice lines for taking damage ("Why...?"), which is canonical according to The Answer.
FES Nyx is supposed to feel alien and hostile, and Reload Nyx is supposed to feel tragic and somber.
I'd say new VA is better felt more like Ryuji was there, but i prefer the OG wording, they should've just copied the old quotes instead of altering them
I agree! The new one sounds more "human" and not "robot". When one considers Death is a friend of humanity in a way by looking at literature, media, arts, this one makes sense.
If you listen to the persona fes in Japanese, Nyx does not have the monster voice from the dub, he maintains Riojy's voice, in the remake they kept that characteristic being more attached to the original.
In addition to the fact that it makes narrative sense, nyx avatar has that human characteristic thanks to the fact that he learned to be human, he still maintains something of his being inside.
Fighting against nyx avatar, knowing that ryoji is inside, doing something he doesn't want, and it's inevitable, adds to what you want to beat him, you help him.
It also made no sense how Yukari spontaneously recognized Ryoji in P3F when he's a step away from sounding like a FNaF1 animatronic. In P3R he still sounds like Ryoji, just a scarier, deeper-voiced Ryoji.
Why do people keep saying this even though it's straight up wrong? Nyx's voice sounds distorted in Japanese FES. It's only in the anime where they removed the distortion.
@@pikachu896 man all versions are distorted, but p3 og english dub sounds nothing like ryoji unlike P3 FES japanese and P3R where you can listen ryojin behind the distortion
@@ian_cris I can hear Ryoji's voice in OG P3 as well.
I'm just surprised Belladonna's singing can be heard from all the way up there.
Everyone in this comment section be hating hard. It makes sense it sounds more like Ryoji if the template for Nyx's avatar is Ryoji (look at the hair)
The old voice sounded more dramatic, dang. Still a good voice
Agreed
daaamn this is so better than the original
having ryoji speaking to you like that hits hard
I'm sorry but I am still. Convinced this is Nyarlathotep fucking with the newer persona casts, you cant convince me otherwise.
so where are all 14 phases, ibe heard this is boss with most phases
Overall, the original was too good. Her voice was ominous and emotionless, you were fighting a fight you can't win.
Here, you can tell this is still Ryoji, honestly I would not have noticed Nyx was Ryoji in the original unless Yukari didn't mention it.
Nyx is more human here, just like Ryoji gained some humanity through spending time with you.
The Avatar kinda has Ryoji's hair, which is where I'm assuming Yukari made the connection.
So in the Japanese version it doesn’t have that filter on the voice. You know it’s ryoji so while the original English version is cool this one is more personal more of a fact that nyx has some human in them now since they lived in a human for so long.
I miss the old VA
GREAT remake but lacks the great old VA.
the cast in Reload is better tbh
@@logogogo4872in some ways yes, in others not as good.
@@joshuashawYT nah man I think everyone in reload is so much better
even akihiko
@@logogogo4872 yeah Akihiko is the one I can't agree on. The funeral scene especially was done so dirty in the remake. Legit turned my favorite scene in the series to one that didn't elicit any emotions.
@@joshuashawYT nuh uh it had so much emotion and I sobbed
This would be cool if the whole game has RT lighting and shadows. And the background had the correct sky color instead of this green sky
I wonder how it sounds in JP voice. 😅
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What is an Arcana
The means by which all is revealed
The cards in persona that represent the bonds that you make throughout the game
The arcanas is basically the tarot cards in real life however in persona they are arcanas each with a different meaning and symbolism
I like that there are People taking my Question Seriously, when its supposed to be a Joke Question with "The Means by which all is Revealed" as the Answer xD
Old voice is more badass and the real harbinger of the fall
Old voice sounds emotionless and void. The new VA has better delivery and actually sounds like Ryoji
@@WantedRaiderism the original voice in some way fits Nyx, as being an embodiment of death, it feels that Ryoji is gone. In the Reload Ryoji is still there which makes sense, it's just two different interpretation, the only thing i don't like is that some new lines are kinda speed up, sounding less ominous
The new voice doesn't go with my flow as much as the og but the boss battle and gameplay, HOT DAMN! It's an improvement
bruh, why did they touch the already existing lines for each arcana? they were fine the way they were, they rewrote them to be worse in some cases (death). Like with death in the original versions of p3 it sounded more threatening and made it feel as if it was the final stretch of the fight but now it sounds fuckin stupid
What happened to his voice
Play Spark 3 :3
I prefer her old voice.
Yeah, unfortunately this voice acting sounds too human and lacks the eerie quality of the original
@@albedougnut yep.
@jennosyde709 the entire point is that the Nyx avatar is partly Ryoji, which gained humanity. It makes the fight more tragic because Ryoji hated the idea of the fall happening
@@WantedRaiderismI can understand that, but with such a vast physical change and the embodiment of death, some prefer the more ominous voice. The embodiment of death sounding so human sounds weird to me
Voice actor is actually better
Wow, this version is pretty lacking compared to the original. I really don’t like the new lines compared to the old ones.
The new voice sounds bored and flat
The new nyx va doesn’t sound as menacing as og p3 it’s kinda disappointing
garbage