@@w0lf667 not really katana samurai being OP when they are just backup weopons nodachis are charge units but in real life they where anti cav. In real life there where no units with certain weopons they where all mixed. They have all the same coleurs on their armor and flags. Units wouldn't fight 1v1 in battle. Bows have longer range then matchlocks. The armor look all the same. Units would have been pushed back instead fighting in one place. There where much more clans. These are all the historical flaws but it still makes almost the perfect total war game. I think even the best
***** No, tercos do have cutlasses in the game, and different animations for them. It's just that for some reason the captain of each unit has a katana.
Canem Cave I was aware of the incident. And if you are as well, you should be able to admit it wasn't an even fight. Whether that makes Portugal's skill in battle more or less impressive is up to you. But a fair fight on even ground, it was not. The Japanese had far superior numbers but inferior technology. The Portuguese ship was a superior ship compared to the Japanese ships. Though the crew was smaller. And armed with grenades. I repeat, it was not a fair or even fight. And the question of Samurai vs. Knight remains unresolved.
In real life it would go the other way and here is why: 1. Fencers do duels, and samurai do war. Samurai made the style for all kinds of combat, including facing multiple opponents, facing enemies with different weapons, of working together with other samurai. Fencers honed their style to beat a single opponent. This is an easy win (You ever seen a video of a kendo practitioner vs a fencer? The fencer breaks through the kendo's guard each time with their quickness and emphasis on spacing).
Honorable duels were a major part of samurai culture, also these are normal Portuguese soldiers, they arent all master fencers. I have seen that video and it does not at all say which style is superior, it just says which one of those 2 is more skilled, doesnt say shit about samurai or tercos. Have you ever practiced a Japanese martial art?! If so you would know how much emphasis there is there on movement and how to get a good angle on your opponent. The samurai wouldve also had much more training and trained from younger age
+Mike R You do realize modern fencing has nothing to do with the historical reality? An Olympic fencer makes moves and attacks that make a HEMA practitioner cringe; we call them "death lunges." Yes, they're really fast, but they're really fast at the expense of any semblance of defense. Considering the word "fencing" was derived from "the art of defense," that's a pretty significant failing.
Mike R the Terco is *not* a fencer. His weapon is a saber or a cutlass, and he is not mainly a melee fighter. A Terco is before everything a line infantrymen, trained to fire en masse a musket. A Terco is basically a good-for-everything soldier, just like the samurai.
First of all. The Tercios were a military unit from the Spanish Empire, they were created before Portugal joined the Spanish Empire in 1580. So the Tercios is a Spaniard creation, not Portuguese. And the Portuguese in the video is not using a european sword...
First of all,they were tercos. the name are actually reference to tercios because tercios tactic have ballance defense and attack, just like tercos in this game did with yari ashigaru And this was an fucking mod, the actuall portuguese tercos in this game are using fucking eruopean sword you fuckin asshole
The problem with this video is the historical inaccuracy. The Portuguese did very well in combat against the Samurai. European swordsmanship was every bit the art and science of Japanese swordsmanship and there's a lot of dead people to prove it.
Never mind I found a source but it mentions nothing of samurai, just "japanese authorities and sailors" and apparently the ship in question sank as a result of the encounter.
The were all over the region. While they mostly did business, there were indeed some skirmishes etc. You can't do business for that long without a few arguments.
Not really. There wasn’t a big gap between the Portuguese and Samurai at the end of the Sengoku period. Samurai had metal armor capable of stopping bullets, used guns and pikes of sort, pretty similar to Portugal
Except I never claimed the Japanese were "exceptional superfighters". The only assertion I challenged was the opposite mentality. This is what I hate the most about Japanese vs Euro-sword debates. Apparently either the Japanese were totally superior in every way or Europeans were. Europeans were not the thoughtless brutes without martial knowledge some make them out to be but that doesn't mean the opposite belief that the Japanese are naturally inferior to them is true either.
DavidR Terços (Portuguese terços), by the Portuguese (adopted by the portuguese army in 1560s, more or less in similarity sistem and numbers, from the spanish model)
DavidR No, (or yes) because is the same meaning word, but different writen words, because the languages are different. And Terços ( "terços",from a "thirth" part word, as in the Castillian language word "tercios") are written and spelling "Terços" from its first tactical adoption in Portugal in 16th century, by King Sebastião (there was no adoption of the spanish language word, or aragonese/catalan or castillian own words, despite the portuguese terços model armies were in good part inspired in the spanish ones).Of course were more profissional and new wave/modern warfare of military organization (praise to Spanish traditions in Italy etc.)., but that was not much more productive than traditional military ways.in Portugal, but each case is a case...
Estratega Diaz In this case is Terços (Portuguese units and soldiers). The fact that the Portuguese adopted from the Castiliian and Aragonese model Tercios is irrelevant, altough a fact. Altough this games and movies are not very accurate since in Asia, Portugal used more cannon, battle in line at sea with powerfull armadas (own creation) and improvisation individual combat, with a dobble sword and adague and full armed body (As with beasts and pistols) as their own tradition. "Terços" armies only more at home and in North Africa and after 1560s. And Spanish in the 16th and 17th centuries was a geographic word, not any nation, Spain was what is today Iberia.. A nation as Portugal was Spanish.
Evidence? Links maybe? Without accounts of large outstanding conflicts this is just speculation. And for accuracy's sake I hope by "all over the region" you mean Kyushu and not the whole country, contact with the Portuguese was very limited(about 4 ships a year). Fact of the matter is no one can say one side was universally superior, Japanese or Portuguese it would've come down to the individual's personal skill with the sword or whatever other weapon they had, not their country of origin.
Swordsmanhip eventually dissapered because there was no point using traditional swords anymore. when the Portogese fought the samurai they won. A cuirass beats a katana in all cases.
This is not acurate 1- The portuguese are using katanas, but the should use ropiers 2- The tipe of tecnics used in battle, the tercios used the Destraza not the kendo 3- In a battle 40 Spanish tercios win to a force of 800 or 1000 samurais (aprox) In coclusion, this is not real
The battle was naval and against pirates on inferior ships. The Spanish were winning cause of the ship, but they would have probably died easily if placed on a ground battle with those same Wako
Swordsmanship in *Europe* The Japanese had cuirasses too yes but they were inferior. Fact of the matter is that Japanese warfare were centuries behind European and thus they got dominated.
Rumpthebutterlord butter 1. The people fighting them were Portuguese, not japanese. 2. In real life warfare in the Samurai time, they did not engage eachother in 1v1 combat when there was hundreds of them. They did not have elegant swordfights in the midst of several hundred other elegant swordfights.
+The best quickscoper tercos were the best soldiers during 1500-1600 and the most of them was spanish and portuguese mercenaries, so.... they weren't so bad. the difference is that portugal have never had a true army, as spain. portuguese soldiers were good mercenaries. portuguese army was terrible, they were defeated even by marocco!
+czzted99 wrong, the big defeat in Morocco was due to a naive idiotic king with an unprepared army against an army 5 times the size + half of that portuguese army were foreigners, half of these foreigners were spanish who didn't even have proper equipment and didnt even fight. They defeated spain more times than spain did to them, shown specially multiple times during the Restoration war. If anything, Spain only had the numbers when it came to facing Portugal, which even that wasn't enough most of the time.
Yeah of course! Let me give you an advice, next time, do some proper research, ok? Portuguese have been feared all the way untill WW2, both by the Allies, and the Axis. Ever thought why no one provoked them? Yeah... i thought so...
Ahh, the time-honored tradition of approaching your lone opponent one at a time. Hollywood sends their regards.
And cutting plate armor like cardboard.
Did anyone else laugh at the Samurai's face at the end? I felt like he should have shout "SHAME FUR DISPRAY!"
Shouldn't the Portuguese be using as sword more reminiscent of a rapier?
YES! THEY SHOULD! BUT THIS IS NOT ACCURATE, AND I AM VERY ANGRY!
@@celtibero599 You're shouting out for a 9 year old fucking game, just be happy how realistic this game already is
@@w0lf667 Well the game is totaly not very realistic but i don 't care beceuse it is very good and balanced.
@@goodcomrade2949 It's realistic enough
@@w0lf667 not really katana samurai being OP when they are just backup weopons nodachis are charge units but in real life they where anti cav. In real life there where no units with certain weopons they where all mixed. They have all the same coleurs on their armor and flags. Units wouldn't fight 1v1 in battle. Bows have longer range then matchlocks. The armor look all the same. Units would have been pushed back instead fighting in one place. There where much more clans. These are all the historical flaws but it still makes almost the perfect total war game. I think even the best
...why the hell are they going after the samurai one by one?
There is no code for regular Portuguese soldiers. Go after his all at once!
jorge aranha they follow the general bad guy rule of going in one by one
Warscape engine my friend.
Maybe Shogun 3 will solve that
because otherwise there wouldn't be a video
2:01 Dude is mad as fuck.
Why the hell Tercos is using katana instead of some broadsword or falchion or smth like that ??
CA too lazy to make new sword animations
***** No, tercos do have cutlasses in the game, and different animations for them. It's just that for some reason the captain of each unit has a katana.
RomanSparta i agree with you ....... and he has only 1 man in a unit and so thats why he has a katana
+Canaris3 They speak English as well
Double Time!!
+Alvin Ong
Specifically, sword *and shield* animations...
Sharp as the edge of a samurai sword, the mental blade cut through flesh and bone.
From Samurai Shamploo song :)
Portuguese arquebus users: Parry this, you filthy casual!
Samurai arquebus users: “First, parry this instead!”
Cannoners: PARRY THIS, BUCKOS!!!
in actual history 5 portuguese sailors armed with nothing but a left hand dagger and sabers fought off 10 samurai...just saying.
Source?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nossa_Senhora_da_Gra%C3%A7a_incident
In actual history, Portuguese and Samurai never met on equal footing either.
Justin Latimer you can say that even having been given historical evidence right?? LOL
of course you can say all the nonsense that you like
Canem Cave
I was aware of the incident. And if you are as well, you should be able to admit it wasn't an even fight. Whether that makes Portugal's skill in battle more or less impressive is up to you. But a fair fight on even ground, it was not. The Japanese had far superior numbers but inferior technology. The Portuguese ship was a superior ship compared to the Japanese ships. Though the crew was smaller. And armed with grenades. I repeat, it was not a fair or even fight. And the question of Samurai vs. Knight remains unresolved.
The Tercos should use Zweihander Sword.
I'm glad we found some common ground.
How can I play shogun 2 total war ?? On what computer ?
In real life it would go the other way and here is why:
1. Fencers do duels, and samurai do war. Samurai made the style for all kinds of combat, including facing multiple opponents, facing enemies with different weapons, of working together with other samurai. Fencers honed their style to beat a single opponent. This is an easy win (You ever seen a video of a kendo practitioner vs a fencer? The fencer breaks through the kendo's guard each time with their quickness and emphasis on spacing).
Honorable duels were a major part of samurai culture, also these are normal Portuguese soldiers, they arent all master fencers.
I have seen that video and it does not at all say which style is superior, it just says which one of those 2 is more skilled, doesnt say shit about samurai or tercos.
Have you ever practiced a Japanese martial art?! If so you would know how much emphasis there is there on movement and how to get a good angle on your opponent.
The samurai wouldve also had much more training and trained from younger age
+Mike R You do realize modern fencing has nothing to do with the historical reality? An Olympic fencer makes moves and attacks that make a HEMA practitioner cringe; we call them "death lunges." Yes, they're really fast, but they're really fast at the expense of any semblance of defense. Considering the word "fencing" was derived from "the art of defense," that's a pretty significant failing.
Mike R the Terco is *not* a fencer. His weapon is a saber or a cutlass, and he is not mainly a melee fighter. A Terco is before everything a line infantrymen, trained to fire en masse a musket. A Terco is basically a good-for-everything soldier, just like the samurai.
Kendo and Fencing are both not combat arts. To compare the two is idiotic.
How the hell do you do these man I want this mod :
Radious unit pack Sengoku Jidai(Find it in steam workshop) ,Hope this helped
First of all. The Tercios were a military unit from the Spanish Empire, they were created before Portugal joined the Spanish Empire in 1580. So the Tercios is a Spaniard creation, not Portuguese.
And the Portuguese in the video is not using a european sword...
First of all,they were tercos. the name are actually reference to tercios because tercios tactic have ballance defense and attack, just like tercos in this game did with yari ashigaru
And this was an fucking mod, the actuall portuguese tercos in this game are using fucking eruopean sword you fuckin asshole
Howe come the portugese can see that their eyes are inside the armor halmen?????
what are the mods
what about the machlock he should of used
why the portuguese use katana instead of a rapier.cutlass or european sword ?
how the fuck did that katana not break after hitting the plate armor?
oh right, this is just a machinima
even if, a katana wouldnt break lmao
TheDerDumme no but it's composure would be really affected since katanas aren't made to cut through steel plates
Sparky Dorugamon a sword if it clashes against an armor do not instantly break, it may lose edge, but breaking is excessive.
had did you make the 1v1
0:49 when you're pc cant handle the graphic
I don't know why these Portuguese wield a Katana hahaha But anyway I really loved this game, I had play it for 300 hours already 😀
Almost 350 for me, second most played game. Good shit.
for now I played 395 hours lol
Worth every minute.
Captain Meat Did u ever play ATTILA? wanna join me? lol
Ahh no I only have Medieval 2 and Shogun 2. Good games though.
how did you make the 1v1
Differential hardening was not a japanese invention, at all. Roman swords, which was made centuries before the katana, were differentially hardened.
Also could you provide a link to any evidence of these incidents, because I'm looking it up and finding nothing.
The problem with this video is the historical inaccuracy. The Portuguese did very well in combat against the Samurai. European swordsmanship was every bit the art and science of Japanese swordsmanship and there's a lot of dead people to prove it.
Never mind I found a source but it mentions nothing of samurai, just "japanese authorities and sailors" and apparently the ship in question sank as a result of the encounter.
Why are the Portuguese using katanas?
The were all over the region. While they mostly did business, there were indeed some skirmishes etc. You can't do business for that long without a few arguments.
Klasse Video, du bist echt gut! :)
Why are the tergos holding katanas
thrusting with a katana looks better than slashing with one.
The Portuguese never historically fought the samurai. They're just a bonus "what if" troop for the game.
But the spanish did!
Vielen Dank :)
How did you make it so that it was just one samurai?
edit unit files
the sad thing is irl the Portuguese would definitely win
Yes bcoz of their armor and weaponry
I mean, they would just use their boom-boom sticks and that would be the end of it.
Not really. There wasn’t a big gap between the Portuguese and Samurai at the end of the Sengoku period. Samurai had metal armor capable of stopping bullets, used guns and pikes of sort, pretty similar to Portugal
Unlike most european cuirasses at this period, japanese dou are not bulletproof, as they lacked plackarts.
They did have bulletproof dō using Nanban plates
Except I never claimed the Japanese were "exceptional superfighters". The only assertion I challenged was the opposite mentality.
This is what I hate the most about Japanese vs Euro-sword debates. Apparently either the Japanese were totally superior in every way or Europeans were.
Europeans were not the thoughtless brutes without martial knowledge some make them out to be but that doesn't mean the opposite belief that the Japanese are naturally inferior to them is true either.
that not called terco, thats tercios, and they use a pikes not katanas ...
DavidR Terços (Portuguese terços), by the Portuguese (adopted by the portuguese army in 1560s, more or less in similarity sistem and numbers, from the spanish model)
the same word in portuguese
DavidR No, (or yes) because is the same meaning word, but different writen words, because the languages are different. And Terços ( "terços",from a "thirth" part word, as in the Castillian language word "tercios") are written and spelling "Terços" from its first tactical adoption in Portugal in 16th century, by King Sebastião (there was no adoption of the spanish language word, or aragonese/catalan or castillian own words, despite the portuguese terços model armies were in good part inspired in the spanish ones).Of course were more profissional and new wave/modern warfare of military organization (praise to Spanish traditions in Italy etc.)., but that was not much more productive than traditional military ways.in Portugal, but each case is a case...
u are wrong thats are the spanish
los españoles pendejo
Estratega Diaz In this case is Terços (Portuguese units and soldiers). The fact that the Portuguese adopted from the Castiliian and Aragonese model Tercios is irrelevant, altough a fact. Altough this games and movies are not very accurate since in Asia, Portugal used more cannon, battle in line at sea with powerfull armadas (own creation) and improvisation individual combat, with a dobble sword and adague and full armed body (As with beasts and pistols) as their own tradition. "Terços" armies only more at home and in North Africa and after 1560s.
And Spanish in the 16th and 17th centuries was a geographic word, not any nation, Spain was what is today Iberia.. A nation as Portugal was Spanish.
Hey at least the potorguese did not take over Japan right
É melhor uma boa relação que uma boa ocupação ;)
nah
You´re dumb :) You don´t know what you´re saiyng
pretty sure
Hey, at least the mongols didn't take over 20% of the world... Right?
I never know Portuguese took Kendo seriously
Evidence? Links maybe? Without accounts of large outstanding conflicts this is just speculation. And for accuracy's sake I hope by "all over the region" you mean Kyushu and not the whole country, contact with the Portuguese was very limited(about 4 ships a year).
Fact of the matter is no one can say one side was universally superior, Japanese or Portuguese it would've come down to the individual's personal skill with the sword or whatever other weapon they had, not their country of origin.
Battle of Cagayán (1582) google it
It just pirates not True Samurai.
Only a few Ronin in that force.
Swordsmanhip eventually dissapered because there was no point using traditional swords anymore. when the Portogese fought the samurai they won. A cuirass beats a katana in all cases.
Irl 40 spanish soldiers won a Battle against 1500 japanese
Not true.
This is not acurate
1- The portuguese are using katanas, but the should use ropiers
2- The tipe of tecnics used in battle, the tercios used the Destraza not the kendo
3- In a battle 40 Spanish tercios win to a force of 800 or 1000 samurais (aprox)
In coclusion, this is not real
800 or 1000 wokou pirates (who had different nationalities, not only japanese). Not all of them were samurai (in fact, most weren't).
And wakou pirate are sometime cannot even fight with their sword perfectly
And this was fuckin mod you fuckin dumbasess
The battle was naval and against pirates on inferior ships. The Spanish were winning cause of the ship, but they would have probably died easily if placed on a ground battle with those same Wako
Swordsmanship in *Europe* The Japanese had cuirasses too yes but they were inferior. Fact of the matter is that Japanese warfare were centuries behind European and thus they got dominated.
Samurai is strong as all hell XD
Too bad that in reality the Portogese beat the samurais.
já vi muita coiza menos um Português usar uma catana
Tenno Heika........BANZAIIIII!!!!!
Hello dead person, how is European swordsmanship?
Dead Person:"......."
It appears he is speechless at how good it is!
That was stupid. Why did they just walk at him 1 v 1?
its the wargame engine they ca used (shitty engine imho)
TheArmored123 I don't that like the new engine. Instead of having 50 vs 50, you just have a hundred 1v1 duels.
In Japan it is bushido which is 1v1 it is considered cowardly to have 3 guys attacking one guy at once how ever I don't know about rome2
Rumpthebutterlord butter
1. The people fighting them were Portuguese, not japanese.
2. In real life warfare in the Samurai time, they did not engage eachother in 1v1 combat when there was hundreds of them. They did not have elegant swordfights in the midst of several hundred other elegant swordfights.
true but in that situation the it was one against 5 and the name was duel not 5guys atacking one guy at the same time.
i call bullshit
European Portugese Tercos have (for the balance reason) incredibly weak melee statistics in the game. More like peasants, not soldiers.
actualy same stats as samurai only 2 less melee defence but same atack and charge bonus
西班牙人的刀法那麼好
blood
Imagine it with decapitations.
irl 1 tercos could have beaten 10 samurai.
Source pls
i'm portuguese
LOL - Maybe try asking in Japanese.
Samurais are better
Portuguese soldiers or any of their infantry units were sucks during history!
+The best quickscoper there are much worse
+João Baptista I know but Portuguese were a terrible warriors, only good in naval battles maybe...
+The best quickscoper tercos were the best soldiers during 1500-1600 and the most of them was spanish and portuguese mercenaries, so.... they weren't so bad.
the difference is that portugal have never had a true army, as spain.
portuguese soldiers were good mercenaries.
portuguese army was terrible, they were defeated even by marocco!
+czzted99 wrong, the big defeat in Morocco was due to a naive idiotic king with an unprepared army against an army 5 times the size + half of that portuguese army were foreigners, half of these foreigners were spanish who didn't even have proper equipment and didnt even fight. They defeated spain more times than spain did to them, shown specially multiple times during the Restoration war. If anything, Spain only had the numbers when it came to facing Portugal, which even that wasn't enough most of the time.
Yeah of course! Let me give you an advice, next time, do some proper research, ok? Portuguese have been feared all the way untill WW2, both by the Allies, and the Axis. Ever thought why no one provoked them? Yeah... i thought so...
Samurai is better warrior than portugal tercos.
Why