Custom bright or shimmery neon lamp. Your choice.
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- This turned out really well. It's based on a standard clear-dome LED lamp kit from eBay, but instead of using the supplied PCB and circuitry I designed a new PCB designed to take 9 neon indicator lamps and suitable resistors.
With just the neons and resistors it makes a large neon glow lamp. But when further current limiting is introduced in either the form of a resistor or series X2 (suppression) capacitor of around 47nF or more depending on the number of neons, it makes the glow in the lamps unstable. This results in each lamp shimmering slightly as the glow moves about on the surface of the electrodes. The choice of series resistor or capacitor depends on how many neons there are in the circuit. If the current is limited too much some neons may not light.
In this instance I used nine neon lamps, each with a 220K resistor, and then added two more 220K resistors in parallel (110K total) as a main current limiting resistor to them all. If making a large array the common series resistor may get hot, so a capacitor may be preferred. If using one then I recommend adding a 1Mohm resistor across the capacitor to discharge it when the lamp is removed from the holder.
The music in the background at the beginning of the video was Blackout by Avenza.
• Avenza - Blackout (Ori...
His channel is here:- / @avenzamusic
You can buy loose neon indicator lamps on eBay. Here's a starter search:-
www.ebay.com/s...
If you're in the UK you can use the same neon lamps as I did by getting them from Rapid electronics:-
www.rapidonlin...
This seller has the bare lamp kits with clear domes in a variety of sizes:-
www.ebay.co.uk...
Shop about and you should be able to get the small 38 LED version (without LEDs) for about £1.
If you enjoy these videos you can help support the channel with a dollar for coffee, cookies and random gadgets for disassembly at:-
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Everything I want from life is for people to listen to the music I make like this. Dear Big Clive, I thank and salute you!
Love your music. Deep and complex.
Nice song.
@@bigclivedotcom these guys sound cool, thanks for supporting them in your mastication video
Avenza アヴェンツァ
I was half expecting a "Oh hello there, I didn't hear you come in! Welcome!"
haha I was thinking the same thing XD
I came to the comments for this or a @This Old Tony reference, as they both have this same vibe.
Welcome to Nails by Big Clive! 😆💅🏻
I have to use them for my toenails!
I remember - it must have been nearly fifty years ago - building a similar circuit with NE-2's and carbon-composition resistors and *paper* capacitors. The resistors and capacitors were arranged to look like the logs in a fireplace, with the NE-2's as the flames. Spray-painted the 'logs' brown, and installed in a dollhouse for a perfect little effect!
I love how you explain a lot of important things while talking about your build ;)
Douglas Adams "The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul" describes the music industry perfectly.
The other colours have that (annoying) phosphor coating so you can't peek inside at the electrodes glowing, which is 99.9% of the fun.
I'm very tempted by those mini arc welders. I hope you do a review.
*J.P Chenet, as supplied for export to all the pile it high warehouses around Calais is a blended wine. Probably the same as is sold in Asda. You are very much correct about pointing out the difference between it and what is sold to the French. I had a long and pleasant history **-smuggling-** bringing it home with me.*
In regards to work hours: In the U.S., labor laws are split between the Federal and State governments. Where I live (Ohio), there is literally no end to how many hours or days a company can require one to be present or at least available to work. I am currently laid off from a company that had a work schedule set for 3 days at 12 hours and 1 day at 6 hours. Overtime (time after 40 hours) was 1.5 times the regular rate, so one could work 4 days and have three off, and still acquire 2 hours of overtime pay. Excluding the inept management, I found it to be a nice way of providing a steady income (and here in the U.S. covering health insurance costs) as well as allowing for ample time to pursue other interests. Wonderful project, btw. I am ordering some of these bulbs today.
"… Oh it's six o'clock in the morning … I should be getting up again …"
"This is probably gonna go horribly wrong. That's OK! It's fine when things go horribly wrong: it's just part and parcel of electronics." And any kind of engineering, actually.
Not for civil engineering or nuclear engineering - it's never fine when things go wrong there...
I always told my boss when an expensive experiment failed horribly: "Okay, we've learned something now." I guess it worked, I retired after 40 years with the same firm.
Big Clive: this is probably going to go horribly wrong.
Electroboom: Hold my Jacobs ladder.
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Photonicinduction: Place the other end of my big capacitor to that light bulb over there.
The shimmer reminded me of my grandma's house where every light switch had the same shimmer when they were turned off. An unexpected pleasant memory triggered by your neons!
Looks like you inadvertently found a way to stop the Hopi flickering!!! 😀
Waht!??!?
Exactly at 29:33, the exposure time goes long enough that it doesn't capture the Hopi segments turning off.
@@The_Paya - Not sure it'll work with the lights up tho *_: /_*
If the camera had separate shutter and aperture controls, it might be possible (though the flicker is probably a multiple of 25 and Clive is recording the video at 30 fps - actually TH-cam says 29, but I'm guessing that's either 29.99 being calculated dynamically, or set to exactly 29.97 for NTSC compatibility). Just switching the recording to 25 fps might make the flickering less annoying.
@@RFC3514 Yes, low light so the integration time per frame is a lot longer to get sufficient signal out of the CMOS sensor array. Yes if Clive closed aperture ( incidentally making is less sensitive for focus) and upped the gain it would be non flickering, though with added noise in the image.
Nice project, glad you are doing better Clive!
Regarding your comments about record labels, I definitely agree. Music labels used to be significant and also had high quality standards. This was down to the fact that music production was prohibitively expensive and a label would only want to sign you if they felt they'd make a decent return. Now, it's possible to record music from your bedroom and still find an audience. So, signing up to a label doesn't seem very sensible these days, as they're just in it for the cash grab and less about making you a star - as they'll make money whether you are good or shit, because the costs are next to nothing these days. Unfortunately, there's now such a saturation of artists that I actually find it very hard to find something new *and* unique. I agree that there definitely is good music out there, but it is harder to find I think. :)
It's definitely hard to find the wheat amongst the chaff with music. But at least you get to jump through a track to find out if it ever actually gets good at some point.
@@bigclivedotcom Totally agree! :) Hope you are well mate, always a pleasure to enjoy one of your videos. Take care and all the best. :)
Clive I didnt think you could get any cooler until I heard your background music haha
Move aside, Ant Music, it's Big Clive Music.
zac Have you watched Clive's actual music videos?
Well that looks pretty awesome! Didn't realise you could get the "unpopulated" ES lamp kits, so I've now done some shopping . . .:-D As for French wine - always been pretty over-rated. We're lucky that we have a LOT of local excellent producers (some literally just down the road!) producing very much World-class wine - Penfolds Grange quality without the nose-bleed price tag.
3 cheers for Big Clive who can handle maths not the single math : )
He is from the UK and therefore doesn't suffer from septicaemia
"Nyen"
That's the best pronounciation of neon i have ever heard
Technically, it should be "neh-on" (it's a Greek word).
Fab, Clive! If you ever decide to sell a batch of those PCBs for this and the other earlier nixie lamp project, for those that don't have the resources to make our own, then count me in! :)
There are websites which offer customer PCB manufacture. Including in small quantities.
Such as www.quick-teck.co.uk/onlinequote/onlinequote.php
Their quote for a board this sort of size seemed to vary by only about £5 between quantities of 1 and 100. Especially if you are happy to wait a few weeks.
Compact neon lamp 🔦high quality neon lamp quite nicely done well you the best😴🐩📜
So true about independent artists online making such fantastic music without needing a publisher. I’m a part of the furry fandom, and among furries there are a lot of musicians who make some absolutely outstanding music. It’s gotten so I hardly ever listen to commercially produced music any more. When I buy CDs, it’s the artists themselves who made, packaged, and shipped them.
19:09 Am American. Can confirm. It's not a universal thing, but there are plenty of companies here whose attitude seems to be "Work the hours we tell you to. Take whatever money we're willing to pay you. Not happy with it? We'll find somebody more desperate to replace you."
I'm lucky to work for a family-owned business where my managers (and co-workers) genuinely give a damn. That's a rare luxury in a lot of industries.
I do the same thing with solder! I use a larger spool that i put a little clip on the edge of the irons cable coming out of the solder station so i can just pull it through where you squeeze the clip and i have solder sticking out i can touch with the iron only one handed, to freshen up the tip or use it to tin wires or other tiny things that i put flux onto then just touch the tinned iron tip to. i cut pieces off my larger spool so i can hold them to solder, and the little piece left over i always do the same thing, just touch it to the tip and it draws itself right onto it, your first person ive seen mention or do that..It would be awesome to see more creations of your own, have you ever thought about doing R/C projects like quadcopters or rc cars? i bet you would enjoy all the electronics stuff going on in the fpv community, also great people.
You could also make a large set of neon relaxation oscillators, using pretty much the same layout, just add a 1N4007 diode on the input, a 220n 400V capacitor as smoothing, and then use 470k resistors to the lamps, and a 100n ceramic across each neon, to make a large set of flashers. In the dark you will find they all eventually flash in near synchronisation, as the first to trigger will photoelectrically trigger the rest.
Solder I always use a tube to hold it, typically an old tube from dissolving tablets, as you can get around 50m of solder into there winding it up around a pencil, and poking a small hole in the top after removing the desiccant pack. Lasts a long time, plus you do not get it all tangled up, and it stores easily in a tool case. Plus you can have a few tubes with different thickness solders, for fine, not so fine and pretty near plumbing size solder. Does not stain the fingers as well with frequent use, so less yummy sweet lead acetate if you are eating chips with your solder.
How dare you slander the media industries! They have a right to stick to a business model from 1956 and the right to maintain their income stream regardless of whether people want what they sell!!
IT'S IN THE BIBLE PEOPLE!!!
That's hilarious!
Love that intro! Really makes me want to put on some music and get into a groove working on some project. :D
One of the best parts of making things.
Oh Clive I wish you would have put this one up about a year-and-a-half ago when I was working on
shimmering blinking things... anyway I'm putting up pinball video in the next day or two I hope you catch it.
I'll at drop a link off when I do.
Thanks again, great vid...
Sage words about the perils of the music industry.
Thanks for the great content. Threw a little in the coffee fund. Bought the same 250A welder myself a week ago, still waiting for it. From what i saw on youtube if you use good electrodes it does the job.
Glad you're better mate. How does the instability effect the lifetime of a neon
under running a neon makes it last longer, so I'd guess it doesn't harm it at all.
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Under-running filament lamps also makes them last longer. But flickering them shortens their life, unless you add a keep-alive resistor.
So _that's_ why your nails are so excellently manicured all the time.
Music in the background was a new thing from you. I like it
Maybe a tiny slide switch could be installed in the base to enable/bypass the 110K resistor pair so you could have flicker if you wanted it.
My biggest memory of being in France was my 10th birthday in 1995, I had champagne that was opened with a sword, I had frogslegs 'cos my brother chickened out of eating them (I loved them!!), and I spent my birthday money at a Monsieur Bricolage store on electrical bits and pieces, cables, sockets, lightbulbs and whatnot, because even back then I was obsessed with electricity... :D
I recall a big department store in Paris having a counter that was nothing but every possible accessory for making up light fittings. It was quite nice to browse.
ooh that sounds like heaven for me, I'd probably have spent the entire holiday there, but we were staying at a small hotel near Champdeniers, quite a distance from Paris, nice place though, very rural France... :)
Great video Big Clive
I prefer the bright one mainly because I like the look of Neon and dimming it is personally for when I'm more used to it. I rarely see it any more. I'd probably buy a lamp like that if I could. (can I?)
It is not allowed to sell so called energy inefficient lightbulbs anymore. So you probably have to build it yourself.
@@Frankhe78 at 2 Watts without the extra resistor its not wasting much energy but enough for the bean counters probably
Would fitting this bulb (non-shimmery configuration) to a dimmer switch allow you to control the shimmer?
Hi clive, im a big fan of the channel. Can you make a strobe light, i got a 56 led stroble light from ebay for 15 euro and want to see how you'd make it
Great build clive
"Vin de tableau" would be "painting wine". ;)
White spirit? Like meths but more hardcore.
White spirit? Not in France, monsieur! In France they serve only the finest, most fragrant turpentine.
@@markhowards420 We've seen Clive drink meths, but not white spirit...
shimmery and psychedelic - big clive in a nutshell
Fitting Big Clive in a nutshell would require a *lot* of psychedelics.
I came here for the conversation and you inadvertently built a light. Nice.
The general idea of Clive videos
Clive, the intro was great and unexpected, but it's not a good idea to Dremel a PCB above your glass, then eating with your fiberglass covered fingers...
I'm told its pronounced Shen-Jen, with a subtle hint of a 'zh' mixed in to the 'j'.
Sort of a 'jhen' sound.
Source: The story text of 'Shenzhen I/O,' where it makes fun of English speaking immigrants for not being able to pronounce the city they live in.
Nik Naks are a severely under-rated snack
Rib ‘n’ Saucy is also the best.
Nice 'n' Spicy rules!
Trouble is, at least here in the nanny state they wound down the flavour. Rib-n-saucy all the way.
Glad you're feeling better!
You're teasing us-let's see that welder ripped to bits! I assume it's a MIG/flux core or stick welder.
I'm especially curious to see how you plug it in. I've got a Millermatic 211 and it has a dual plug system where you can use a normal 120V 15A US plug (NEMA 5-15) or a 240V 50A plug (NEMA 6-50), which is the de facto US standards for welders.
As far as wine goes, I expect a Walmart subsidiary would have no clue about how to handle wine. The wine was probably fine until they laid hands on it.
@Matt Quinn I don't think that will give the claimed 200A output. IIRC you need about 30A @ 240VAC in order to get that, at least for MIG/flux core..
Big Clive, the next Paul Daniels?
A technique I learnt from an old textbook was to bend the legs of the neons (or other components) outwards so they staple themselves in, and that makes soldering a lot easier.
Not sure how applicable it is though, considering it might lead to potential bridging.
The problem is that it makes them a bugger to get out without damaging the lands. Or the components, if you want to salvage them for another project. Cheap chinesium stuff may do it, but decend builds avoid doing it.
Best way is a shim (bit of folded paper or card) to stop the component sitting hard against the board, then a foam pad on top to push the components down. You want to avoid the component sitting hard against the board for two reasons: it causes a moisture trap, and when the leads contract after soldering it strains the component package.
It's not really recommended, and also not done in the industry. The wires need to be straight for wave-soldering, and if you need to repair something, it's really difficult to remove the components.
Neons are quite useful devices. in several ways. Over 45 years ago, I built a 'Mains Failure Warning Device' which was based upon a single neon lamp wired as an audio relaxation oscillator, generating a sort of sawtooth waveform. No other active devices were used, only a couple of capacitors and resistors. A large capacitor, charged via a bridge rectifier, provided a reservoir to run the oscillator for quite a few minutes if the supply was disconnected. - The voltage dropped to zero at one end of the oscillator, upon supply failure, leaving the neon free to strike and oscillate. - It drove a 3 or 8 Ohm loudspeaker directly, and the piercing alarm could be heard clearly, throughout the house. I've forgotten the circuit, but perhaps you might like to build a similar device in a video, Clive? It would be very interesting. Thanks in advance.
I love the new intro man!
"you won't be able to use the last bit of solder if you pull it off the reel" - sounds like someone who's never watched you solder.
I'd love to see a collab between Clive and Naomi Wu.
Yeah, a friend of mine made it to the last round of Australian Idol selection several years back. She read the contract (they don't ask you to sign until they're pretty sure they're going to put you on the show), asked them if she could get her lawyer to look it over first, they said no, she told them to shove it and walked out (with a copy of the contract)
I don't know if it's changed in the interim but in the early days they were outright exploitation, no ifs buts or maybes.
It's Louis Rossmann. I've seen the video your referencing from Louis and that's a great example of a company trying to screw a person over via a contract. It's funny af to watch Louis reviewing said contract but sad af that a company would even try such bullshit.
I learned in the military always read everything before you sign it otherwise you could be agreeing to "OK please fuck me over. I agree and like to get bent over now. TYVM!"
It was an old style media industry contract that completely failed to take into account that modern individuals might actually have their own media channel.
Thumbs up for Trumpy Brick!
Zh in Chinese is more-or-less a J sound, so Shenzhen is pronounced "shen-jen" and Zhengzhou as "jeng-joe". X is best thought of as "hs" so Xiamen is pronounced as "hsia-men" (like a really breathy version of sha-men). Hua is hwa, so Huawei is "hwa-way". If you can get on top of those three, you'll be doing better than most!
whats this?? video editing? in a Big Clive vid? now Ive seen everything :D
I used to have a neon night light (non shimmering), there is just something about that hypnotizing warm color of orange they produce.
FYI: the 'ZH' is similar to a 'J' (not quite, but similar enough). So Shenzhen would be spelled like Shenjen.
Bloody rippa mate, and i'm not even Australian.
Mighty fine choice in music there Clive.
Loved the intro :D
The Rapid Electronics part number for the neons is 42-0300.
Hey...I use a dremel to grind down the calluses in my heels....works great!
Oh god NO ..... mastication in a microphone - I have surround sound - please don’t 😳
Would you be able to show a project of neons in a glass bottle?
very nice, just curious can you run neon's on 13.8VDC, normal vehicle voltage, effectively without any circuitry? Also if I run them on 13.8VDC is there any down sides?
They require around 100V to operate.
@@bigclivedotcom ok, the reason why I ask is I bought a lighted switch from a surplus store, and I wasn't sure what voltage they where so I pulled one apart, and saw it was a neon so I tried it on a little 13.8VDC power supply and it did light. that is why I asked.
@@JoshKilen Neon wouldn't light on such a low voltage. It may have been a small tungsten lamp.
"This is probably gonna go horribly wrong. That's OK! It's fine when things go horribly wrong: it's just part and parcel of electronics." And any kind of engineering, actually.
You need to get some Irn Bru...
4 days ago 🤔 really. 🤔
Hi Clive glad you are feeling a bit better. I noticed that when you turned the lights off and locked the exposure the Hopi stopped flickering and we could see it how you do.
Dear, dear, Clive. There’s only one type of Nik-Nak, and they come in an orange packet...
Would it be possible to change the cooker mains socket neon with an LED instead? Just wondering now if this was possible and if you can experiment it for us? @BigClive
There's a whole video about using LEDs as mains indicators, but when it comes to the crunch a neon and resistor is about as simple as it gets.
@@bigclivedotcom thanks I just seen it there. Also have you taken an AmbiPur 3volution unit to bits yet? The one that changes every 45 mins with a new smell and 3leds on the top? The thing I hate is that one of the fragrances always has loads left in it long after the others have dried out...
@@jrsc01. th-cam.com/video/cG8tLyJDQbk/w-d-xo.html
I realize that there is no accounting for taste.
But I didn't know that France made any good wine.
But if you are hungry , even baloney is good.
And ,, yes,, I am a German wine snob...
Just kidding. . 😲
Thanks, and keep up the good work.
If you are referring to the ancient Latin phrase _de gustibus non est dispudantum,_ it means _there is no _*_disputing_*_ taste._
I found ebay neons (5mm) that come in blue, green, red, yellow & white...all from US shippers as well :)
That's a lovely little tool you've got, mine's much bigger but I can't manoeuvre it as easily when I'm grinding. What's it called, and does it fit standard size shafts?
It's a very old Mini-craft drill.
Anybody else notice at 29:34 that the Hopi doesn’t flicker with the exposure set for dark?
TLDR: The camera "records" each frame for a longer amount of time (but still
Great project, excellent effect and one I'd really like to use in my garden lighting project but I'm pretty sure I'm right.....they AINT neons!!
The gas inside is neon.
@@bigclivedotcom OK I shall return to my old college and confront my old tutor with this knowledge, heheh, allways love an excuse to haunt them!
Edit, I am of course assuming these are the same type of lamp as in an accessory indicator.
As it aged, did it begin to shimmer still more?
Yes.
Well that video just picked up suddenly...
and jauntily!
France did itself no favours exporting its rubbish wines as now a lot of people prefer New World wines.
0:38 - I do love a good pack of Rib n Sauce Nik Naks.. Best flavour of the the bunch if you ask me, but they're all like eating arthritic old folks fingers!
We call um Cheetos in the US... but those are normally cheese flavored.
They look just like Cheetos.
No cannabilism, please! If they are anything like Cheetos, they are made by extruding pressure-cooked cornmeal from high pressure directly to low pressure, as a continuous process. The sudden drop in pressure causes the steam to _flash boil_ inside the thick paste, puffing them up.
@@YodaWhat You described cheese puffs... not cheetohs.
Hey Clive, if you want a suggestion of an independent musician, my friend Mags Romero (aka Just Fern) makes some ineresting music mixing a lot of genres. Check her out if you want:
th-cam.com/users/vulpicidefilms
Love playing around with neons like the NE-2. Came up with a circuit that alternately lit them(back and forth) Ran quite well on 300v.
Me too. Neons have the best glow. My grandfather had many, including 1cm diameter ring-and-saucer type which are hard to find now. Loved playing with those.
I just figured out a circuit where a rotary switch can cumulatively turn on more neons. Turn the switch to 1, and the first neon glows. Turn it up to 11, and all 11 neons glow. Ordered a 2 pole switch to make it.
Well that was a different into 😂
"Make America Great Again?" That just made my day BAHAHAHAHA
I am surprised that I have not heard Clive explain something about British slang: Trump is another way of saying FART! :)
Hi Clive nice project.... I read a few comments but did not see anyone comment on the HOPI ? It was not flickering? All other videos I watch it flickers BIG TIME! and now its not -- Just wondering what is different?
Just the darker image causing the camera to run with a longer exposure time.
@@bigclivedotcom Oh "duh" that makes sense lol Thanks for clearing that up for me it would have drove me nutz not knowing!
You find that little rotary good for your toes too? I use a dremel but it's so unwieldy *_: (_*
I have used it on my toes too.
The near full minute at the beginning with you not talking was kinda weird XD so used to you speaking immediately and detailing basically every move
I wonder why you use a cut piece of solder instead of directly off the spindle?
Convenience. But it does all get used.
Why would I have crappy french wine when I can drink the best wine in the world? Portuguese, of course.
Hah, haaaa........ Now then, without word of a lie, I used to "Dremel" my dad's toe nails in the last few months of his life. He couldn't reach down to them, and I found them as tough as old boots, so out came the Dremel, job done!
I wonder then, if you could make a commercial success of supplying neon bulb kits? It's funny how an ancient technology has lasted so long, and could even have a new future in a novelty lamp. I'd say they would make quite a good, and effective, night-light better than LED or incandescent lamps.
Only Clive would file his fingernails with a powertool!
if you look at those JP chennet bottles they're curved to pour perfectly (thumb dent on the neck etc) marvelous design. At one time the only affordable french wine I could get after moving to AUS! PS the Germans ship the Sh**, I mean lower quality wines and keep the good stuff to them selves. Who can blame the French or the Germans for this?
Almost didn't watch the video because of the music... because I went off and wanted to listen to more of it, then saw that this tab was still here ;) . Just my jam! The best kind of music when programming, soldering, tinkering, the heck even just cleaning up or generally "doing things"!
The wine thing is a universal constant, the law of the jungle. You sit and drink nectar, mother's milk, THE most perfect sensory experience to have ever existed at a piss up. You buy a bottle there and then, the day after call at the supplier your waiter wrote on the back of your condom packet.
You even open a bottle in the hotel and confirm the rapture is true. Next day it's the airport and by supper you are home, delicately inserting the corkscrew, lovingly withdrawing the cork (or unscrewing the stopper), you pour your new best friend into your favourite ninja turtle mug - lovingly caress the rim with your lops - and taste the run off from a septic tank!!!!
Doesn't matter what it is, where it's from or how long it took to get it home. The disgusting taste and foul smell is in direct proportion to the quantity you bought and the price you've paid.
What you drink on holiday is best left clinging to the wall outside the nightclub, 'cause you are never going to capture that taste again not even next month when you go back
Look even cooler if the circuit board was black.
I did toy with painting it black, but didn't have time.
Maybe you could add a small slide or push button switch to select the mode.
Someone was fucking brave and/or drunk at the beginning of this video, lol! Also nice to have tunes in the background :P Hope you're well mate. :)
hi, i love watching some of the things you do and it inspires me to try things myself..., the exploding disconnector which "burnt a hole in your fucking ruler" was AWESOME, i wasconsistantly being told off as a child for "destroying my toys" which was just me trying to learn something new about them and how i can modify them to be better and/or more dangerous than they started out, as we all know cheap toys usually come with the benefit of hurting the tinkering child in some way at some point, which leads me to the following novel-ish comment
i have an amp I got off ali express with a single audio output, I also have some old Christmas lights... yeah... I hooked up the little led to the speaker output and it just makes the led flash wildly which is cool, is there a way to put a resistor in line with the led between the amp and the led to limit when the led lights up? the desired effect is to light up when the bass drum kicks or close to it, not looking for perfection as that would end the fun part of poking around with it, I managed to do it somewhat with a resistor but i have to turn the speaker up to the max to get it to light the led and this also re introduces my issue of the led lighting up when there is singing and not just when the bass drum kicks, can you point me in the direction of the correct rabbit hole i should be diving into so i can save some money on the experiment, i spoke to the local electronics shop who just say " here is what you want" pointing to a 40 dollar item that does what i want, this is not much fun and i can probably get the same item online cheaper anyhow lol... i wanted to play around with it and make it myself and they just don't understand what tinkering is. thanks in advance