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- Heya Guys, Gals, and Non-binary pals! Jade Shadows is a fantastic patch, and I actually really enjoyed it even if the plot was super cookie-cutter. What did you think? Lemme know down below.
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UPDATE: Revised my opinion to 8/10, they fixed the event node not giving Jade BPS in hotfix 1!
UPDATE 2: Some more info on my opinion from a reply to another comment. below there be spoilers
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS: In my play through we were able to figure out the story within the first scene of Jade standing over the Stalker, with it being confirmed once it was mentioned "she's sending her energy to something else". Sure maybe not predictable within the context of only warframe, but predictable none the less in a story telling sense. And yes maybe with the whole Granum corpus thing being different, but also remember that Granum only puts on the face of being "the better more reasonable" corpus when in the background, he and his Sisters commit and perpetuate HORRORS both before the fall of the orokan and after his return. That one sister yelling "stop" felt to me like some r/menwritingwomen kind of "motherly instinct kick in" BS, especially when we take into account the corpus literal farming of children/people on Venus for spare parts, which is still happening post narmer and granum returning (iirc). Yes there are always outliers in groups of people, absolutely, and humanity does strike some villain's in many stories, but it kind of just felt... forced? Maybe I'm just jaded (pun intended).
Also, like I said in the review, it's not a bad thing either, the story was VERY good even if it was predictable and cliche. We DO NEED these feel good moments in a game where farming people for parts isn't an uncommon occurrence, and adding some character depth to some of these people who've been in the game for over a decade now is FANTASTIC! I'm glad DE is taking some risks with the story like this, and I'm VERY excited to see where it goes. Still fantastic, and even with my criticism, I really really enjoyed it. Thanks for the comment and your opinion!
Personally I think the captain is getting executed for what she did
You skipped over the part that Corpus is split into two factions right now, Parvos's Corpus and Nef Anyo's Corpus.
Nef's Corpus is the Corpus that's farming children and people's body parts and working them to death, Parvos himself disagreed with Nef's practices as he believed no child should suffer the debt of a parent.
Wasn't the captain NOT a sister yet? She would be promoted on capturing whatever the stalker got and upon figuring out it was a child she gave up her chance at a position and will probably get executed? Do I misremember anything?
I think the reason she made the soldiers stop shooting was that somewhere, past all that greed and corruption, there was a good person, potentially someone who wanted to be a parent themselves. Remember that shes not the only corpus to have a change of heart. Veso from new war made it very clear to us that not everyone is willing to kill for profit. This is just my idea of why the ending felt so unnatural for a corpus
Right? Not everyone is the same
Yeah, I was thinking “wtf?” Half the time but I did like the chance of pace
But we kill half of army to protect our child how does corpus doesn't want to kill us?
@@serlavegomast8302I feel like in the cutscene they could have been a lot more hesitant, and I think stalker coulda taken a couple of em out in the scene too before they all either surrender or back out cuz of the kid. Always easier to notice in hindsight tho lol
I just felt like there was no profit in a baby
Why do people always act like a human person having conflicting, contradictory and/or hypocritical views or actions is somehow a plot point or a writing flaw?
Humans are unpredictable and full of inconsistency.
Not to mention well written characters HAVE flaws. Flawless characters just end up making the reader/viewer bored.
People always seem to forget Veso, a corpus who chose to not side with the most profitable option to join the sentients and just sacrificed himself, shows a lot of humanity even in the corpus regiments
Thought it was Vevo
The moment we learned why Jade was dying made me hate Ballas even more, tbh.
That was suprisingly dark, in a not that edgy but kind of uncomftable way. The way out of the hide out felt good though
It's purely fucked up what he did to her, through and through. There is just no other way to see it.
Wait what? I still dont know why was she dying lol
A completely irredeemable character
To be fair, corpus having feelings is not really a new concept. Let's just say some of them have been sleepin' in the cold below. Others have decided that no matter if they betray the board, their own company, or anyone really, they'll do the right thing and attack the Narmer. And others decided that there is still something human in them, enough at least to not kill a baby.
Also why nerf? Jade is pretty balanced.
The way I explained it to a buddy of mine as a joke (I was VERY stoned at the time) but it kinda made sense in a weird way, was that the Sister gave the Stalker a pass because what he held hadn't became a financial liability, YET.
I meant it only as a joke, but now it genuinely makes sense. The Sister mentioned that the Stalker didn't usually make trouble for them, unlike Tenno. She also knew he was a serious threat to Warframes, and by letting Stalker leave, it could not only ensure her immediate survival, but possibly could give her a bargaining chip to get some help from him. She may think of it as making friends with a stray cat long enough to get it to kill all the mice in your place.
Also harming that baby in any way would have led to massive financial losses of all the troops that Stalker would start killing
@@RollerBaller oh definitely! They saw the cub, and realized Papa bear is the meanest, nastiest can of FAFO in the Origin System.
The reason why she stopped is because she works under parvos they are the more "good" villians for corpus it goes: perririan sequence-parvos corpus-then the board of directors corpus
Dude we have bad a whole quest line centered arounf corpus deviating from their hyper capitalistic endeavors to reveal some humanity. That ending made complete sense🤦♂️
I wish that specific women that stopped the corpus from shooting had a back story, like her kid died or something like that. And after just letting a warframe go she would be sentenced to be executed but gets saved by stalker, and becomes an ally. But I know I'm stretching, but I really wish this happens cause at least the ending would make a little bit more sense.
And I hope that this is the start of that and this Sister will be someone we see more of? It'd be nice at least imo!
This sister let them go but she reported everything except for the part of letting stalker leave with his baby. So parvos went after the motes
please don't say that she need a nerf she is good as she is no need for buffs or nerfs. why do people overrate every new warframe and then complain when it get nerfed
Frfr. That's what happened with Dante when content creators were gassing him up. Jade is in a great spot right now.
If anything, a buff needs to be given to Jade's Evensong bow. It has great status and good crit chance, but the damage is too low imo. It definitely needs a damage buff.
@@theshadowshot I think it's because it's more of a utility weapon, but you still need to get kills with it to get the multishot buff
So yes in a way it needs a damage buff
@@theshadowshot I hate the nerf they did on pageflight
i mean to be fair the sisters are kinda founded on corpus having feelings with the whole shadows below quest being all about revenge for the head sisters crew members.
Was gonna say this.
Parvos is, something else.
But it pretty much boiled down to.
The men were extremely greedy and the women were more compassionate.
"Charity is power, The greater charity, the greater power" -Parvos Granum
Is not like the philosophy of the Corpus is not only thinking about money, but to see the great picture of it. We think that Corpus are just greedy bastards because of the people like Nef Anyo, Alad V and other are like that.
Still, Granum has his fault because instead of respecting the whises of others like Jade, he still wants to use her for the system and himself
About the Corpus letting The Stalker get away... Idk it felt pretty ok to me because americans always have this trope in stories about protecting the children because they are the most precious thing in the world, I've gotten used to it.
Also it felt like it wasn't just because "don't kill children" but also because this was a miracle that happened for the first time ever in this world.
It reminded me of the importance of a similar birth in Blade Runner 2049 (first natural replicant there, first natural warframe here).
To be fair the corpus aren’t entirely evil (well originally when parvos was in control) so the ending did make a bit of sense if you read a bit into the lore they may be greedy capitalist but they wont harm an infant nef anyo in the other hand “Todays subject…slavery”
Lore wise with the corpus was whatever but that end sequence was insane
My head canon for the silly "hold your fire" is just that they were so astonished by STALKER holding a warframe baby. Like that shit would have me stopping and staring.... I did, however, think that moment was so silly. Great framing though, it was a pretty cool scene, cinematicaly.
And like I've said, it isn't BAD to have cliche and predictable things like this, Warframe def can use these feel good emotional moments. And omg the music and setting was SPOT ON you're totally right. They did a fantastic job with the whole patch
That warframe baby is also the most unique object in the solar system. Like breaking a billion dollars in art for 20 dollars an hour and the promise of a 50 cent raise.
It really is just lazy writing to have essentially a joke which is the full scope of the story and only show the punchline.
Just imagine if we had a mission with Excalibur Jade and stalker as humans fighting with each other over their views during their mission and stalker leaving in a big way leading to his downfall. More scenes with Jade to show her femininity and improve our understanding of her motivations.
THEN show her death. That would have an impact. Frankly I cant say why anyone should care about Jade we have no idea who she is or what she's done.
They need to make Stalker a playable warframe instead of for a short time in a story. We have his weapons and cosmetic ship so might as well finish the job lol
There are still way too much more about him left to explore.
You can play as him in the Duviri paradox
@@Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmiam so that's what the "unexpected ally" part in the Duviri upgrades, HELL YEAH!!
The sisters of pavos or those who wants to be closer actually cares for children.
Corpus doesn’t, but some look up to the pavos greatness.
Also she state that she is honoured to let the leader of the sisters know about Stalker shopping list.
I gave it a 3/10 from the wacky plot holes and the one button final scene, but if that was fixed, I’d raise it to a 7-8.
Its like the apostie Prolog, not much gameplay, but very importent for the future i give the quest a soild 8/10
that captain is a woman
is media literally literally so dead? like, do "bad guys" ALWAYS have to be assholes?
Actually, them trying too keep that hold your fire; could have been a great tactical part if you were going too track down it later and trying too capture it. Knowing Parvos he is not letting that go but is willing too monitor it.
I think the message was "babies are universally precious" and the corpus were like "We are bad guys, not monsters"
The best part of the update was Armor and status changes is what made it a 10/10. game feels great, alot more builds opened up.
I loved the final scene from jade shadow's. Also dad stalker is a blessing
ONE hyper capitalist corpus had feelings. I think its safe to say that the rest of the crewman present at the raid just followed the ceasefire order of a superior officer lol
Yea, obviously the people in Corpus have feelings. Theyre human. Being motivated by profit doesnt mean you are blind to everything else. It may take something pretty big to get them to ignore their main goal but to think nothing can make them stray from it for a second is delusional.
As a excal prime and closed beta tester been like this for 11 years
Jade shadows is great. I understand how they keep giving us peaces of story but I don't mind as long as they keep doing it right n Keep doing it in general it's a great quest and id rather them take there time to do it right and keep giving us quests n new stuff every few months than come out with a bunch of crap. What I'm saying is at least they doing it right and keeping us coming back for 8+ yrs plus I work to much for more quests n don't want the game to end when it ends it ends the appeal of the game u Kno how much amazing games I beat n delete.
Completely agree. While I'm annoyed with the answerless quests we've been getting, they've all been bangers since angels (which was the last F quest IMO). DE has really been doing a great job, but I do hope we start to see some actual fully completed stories soon
I dont think putting a woman as vilain in this quest was an accident. It is easier to believe that someone who stand down was a potential mother.
Nah, the cease fire made sense. This was a corpus captain. She has probably barely seen combat and was just in a frenzy for a promotion. If you haven’t seen much combat, I think the one thing that would shake you the most is being responsible for the death of a child. Yes the Corpus are indoctrinated, but like any other group, they aren’t necessarily desensitized by default.
Dude
Why did you have to point out Ember, who may I note, has nothing to do with Jade Shadows
Bc he’s a coomer
Corpus has always had feelings, they're just hyper capitalist but we have a ton of Corpus that's just chilling out.
This isn't Nef's Corpus though, this is Parvos' Corpus. Parvos always thought humanity should ambitious and take what they can get but not at the expense of other human beings.
He would more so approve of her actions to not kill the Stalker and potentially his child since that is abiding by Parvos's own morals and rules.
The corpus didnt have feelings.
Jade was important, even pavos said her death doesnt matter, because she made an hier.
Corpus didnt have feelings, the leader just didnt want the fortuna treatment if she ended up harming the very Child Parvos want.
Semi spoiler warning: Warframes canot get pregnant, jade was already pregnant before she became a warframe so it was a 2 in 1 deal
Honestly I thought that giving the enemies actual feelings was phenomenal. It shows us that while they might be the bad guys, they're still human.
I actually didnt expect the "hold your fire" moment 💀 i thought that we as the tenno would intervine and gain stalker's trust
I got jade playing as stalker thank you to all those who made it easy😂
Stalker holding the baby while soldiers stop shooting was ripped straight out of Children of Men movie, where the same exact thing happens when a baby starts crying....
I was given a content warning about trauma surrounding childbirth just for a fucking rhythm game to sap any seriousness out of it
The corpus are villains, not monsters
Thats the second corp who went outside their usual mindset. The first one was Veso-r
I think a whole new faction would be cool
I'm still just waiting for 1999, but jade is a good warframe
Im betting she either let him go due to all the reasons in the other comments relating to the sisters and their feelings, or shes tracking him like she did to the hideout. Maybe she wanted to make sure the baby didnt get hurt so she could follow him and take it herself
About the story, not sure you count warframe pregnancies and warframe babies as "predictable" I feel the needle spins the other way round on that topic. And about the ending, perhaps it matters to know these are Granum corpus not corpus of the board.
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS: In my play through we were able to figure out the story within the first scene of Jade standing over the Stalker, with it being confirmed once it was mentioned "she's sending her energy to something else". Sure maybe not predictable within the context of only warframe, but predictable none the less in a story telling sense. And yes maybe with the whole Granum corpus thing being different, but also remember that Granum only puts on the face of being "the better more reasonable" corpus when in the background, he and his Sisters commit and perpetuate HORRORS both before the fall of the orokan and after his return. That one sister yelling "stop" felt to me like some r/menwritingwomen kind of "motherly instinct kick in" BS, especially when we take into account the corpus literal farming of children/people on Venus for spare parts, which is still happening post narmer and granum returning (iirc). Yes there are always outliers in groups of people, absolutely, and humanity does strike some villain's in many stories, but it kind of just felt... forced? Maybe I'm just jaded (pun intended).
Also, like I said in the review, it's not a bad thing either, the story was VERY good even if it was predictable and cliche. We DO NEED these feel good moments in a game where farming people for parts isn't an uncommon occurrence, and adding some character depth to some of these people who've been in the game for over a decade now is FANTASTIC! I'm glad DE is taking some risks with the story like this, and I'm VERY excited to see where it goes. Still fantastic, and even with my criticism, I really really enjoyed it. Thanks for the comment and your opinion!
Stalker #1 dad
Why am I mad Jade with this really good
Felt that next time on dragon ball z I mean why not coming up next on the suffering game Warframe 😭
Jades melee was about the only weapon I found that could make voruna deal over 1mil per heavy attack but that just might be cause I'm broke and doing janky builds to make do
Lmao I agree with that "next on DBZ" vibe we e been getting with these questions.
Bro forgot that 1999 comes out in like five months
most likely sooner tbh, DE does like to release things during tennocon on occasion. But either way, I don't see how those two things would connect. Albrecht left long before anything to do with jade and **SPOILER** (whispers in the wall cutscene had him leaving before the fall of Deimos), imo I assume they are two different storylines, maybe they'll connect again in some other trope-y "angel comes to save the day in the past in an alternate timeline/dimension" thing, but I'd expect that it's not directly connected. Also wouldn't be the first time that DE has had multiple non-connected plots going at once.
lol the story is predictable!? wtf? 😆
Content is enjoyable, positive QoL changes, status reworks that succeeded in their goal, brought some strong toys, and even if it was a bit illogical it was a well received story quest.
7/10
Ah Warframe community, please change.
I did change it my review, in the pinned comment, to 8/10. The cliche and predictable story did that -2 points for me. Still amazing, still great story and patch, but plays like a young adult novel written by a first time author. It's the Station Eleven of Warframe. Really good, but you know what's going to happen in the story pretty dang quick.
And for reference, 10/10 to me is Chains of Harrow and Octavia's Anthem.
Which incarnon is that?
Strun! Just made a short about it actually!
That wasn't concise. A warframe baby hasn't happened before. Killing it is Killing the most rare and impressionable super weapon in the solar system. If they want it they'll have to do it tactfully, not with rotary lazers.
Overall though, I wholeheartedly agree with your review.
But yh i just like you the quest was not it for me i dont need a big main quest i just want mini quests that push us in the right direction for the next big quest tying to the man in the wall like 1999 cause i believe wally went there
FYI, Bulbasaur is not the best starter Pokemon. It is Charmander
Cap
reporting both of you
@@zenosfire :'( plz no! im running out of accounts again
What weapon is that btw?
Strun Prime with the Incarnon!
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The story is about humanity.
All enemies, are still human. We see it in the world, and the Origin system is no excuse.
The corpus crave a better life, some are greedy, some want hapiness for theyr friends and family.
The grineer want to be strong, like the Sisterhood that once inspiored them, and brought the grineer where they are today.
The Warframes are destroyed, ruined lifes, bodies and minds.
But underneath it there is still a human heart.
The word logic is very stretched when we have fantasy rogue-like world in the void, but when it comes to this quest, i have little to no issues.
Her bow is a weak naturok less damage and the aoe isnt great and does it have infinite ammo only good thing is the passive
The Is probably good tho
give it a good look over, it's an actually insane weapon, 4m radius aoe, a ton of multishot for all of your allies, slash based, very good hybrid crit/status. Try it out with a Primed Firestorm, spec'ed out for a frame with 100% armour strip (pillage is my go to), and you should see the light (pun intended)
Even though I have as always enjoyed the music the emotions DE have put into this, I didn't enjoy the pacing and writing of the quest.
Hunhow immediately bringing up the Tenno and Stalker's sulking responses felt hastily written, his and Jade's backstory could have been explored more/better.
The pregnancy reveal felt pretty sudden and was lacking proper setup as well. It makes no sense that Stalker would continue walking towards the corpus who are shooting at him, trusting that somehow they would recognize the child in his arms and stop shooting for some reason. Warframe pregnancy was not even slightly explained, also, was she lying there pregnant for however many hundreds of years since the old war, or did she somehow become pregnant recently? Also also, has she lain there in Stalker's and Hunhow's base for all this time we have known him? Did I miss something about how/when she appeared there?
They soldiers who just saw the first birth of a god.
Also when did predictably become a bad thing when properly used?
I think you might need to rewatch! I say the exact word "it's not a bad thing" and say how feel good moments are needed in the game. Also there was no indication of divinity other than the theme, so let's not jump to conclusions of the anti-wally just yet haha
Average warframe player 😂😂
terrible takes almost the entire way through, fascinating how wrong people can be
The ending I felt was a bit cringe too, really the tenno should've came in a saved him, would've made a lot more sense logically.
Why would you want her to be nerf shes not that op shes a a fucking sitting duck in the air shes so squishy that you need defensive mods to make her work and you need to combo her skills to do damage unlike other frames that has a one skill kill button and still i dont want them to be nerf because thats the point of being a space robot ninja they need to be OP to be fun to play because the game is PVE oriented not PVP
What a bad take wow.
I fully support warframes being able to make babies. We of the r34 community have been posting ideas on how this could work for a while now. One more step closer to our world merging with the game.
oh god what have DE unleashed on us...
@@zenosfire ;3 warframe is for everyone, even creatures like my kind.
Mission is boring af, frame is cool. Weapons are cool, not awesome but cool. Status changes and armor were thr only thing that mattered in this update. 4/10 anything higher is just you being a super fan boy with low expectations
Ehhh debatable, much like the apostasy prologue this was merely setting up story notes later down the line. Calling anyone a "super fan boy" also implies that your opinion is objective.