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Getting Roman spin while you're wearing the striped tunic was simply excellent! What a pleasant Sunday afternoon surprise!
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NICE! That actually looks really good on you!
Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost.
@@ttthecatWhy godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost..
It’s a brilliant angle to mock not just Christian apologetics but the concept of apologetics itself.
I have heard many Christian apologists claim that the soldiers were going to to adopt the little girls. When I then ask why didn't they also adopt the little boys, they reply, "they would grow up and be angry about their families getting murdered." Stunning and horrific.
Better ask what happened to pregnant women according to these verses and whether or not god is ok with abortion and see the gears in their head come to a full stop and then running at full speed to come up with something.
@@TheHikariLP Abortion is immoral, unless you also abort the mother?
@@Melesniannonbortion is immoral unless you kill the mother."
No, a woman can decide if she wants to gestate a child or not.
And your suggestion to kill the woman for making that decision explains why nobody should ever get morals from religion.
You are a monster because you worship one. You cannot enslave woman just because they give birth, you cannot be against abortion but be ok with no gun control, or the death penalty.
The christian god murders, aborts and tortures children. You really need to stop using those awful books as a basis for your ethics.
@@Melesniannon...Duh 🙄
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I wish I could give a _thousand likes_ to this video. I love the creativity, the message, and the passion you presented. And, as always, *Rationality Rules.*
The ways apologists try to defend Numbers 31 amaze me.
Utterly brilliant. Again!
It's a great day to be an ape.
Your Rome-splaining is much like how I troll flat earthers these days. I will say the most ridiculous idiocy and amusingly, also terrifyingly, the real flat earthers applaud it.
Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost...
Yes. Ugh. Unfortunately, my own dad is making these arguments with me. I haven't even brought up the rape part. I had forgotten, honestly. They do a good job of avoiding touching that part.
I keep thinking of that song from Seven Brides for Seven Brothers suck in my head.
"The Roman troops came matching by, and saw them in their me-oh my's, so they took the women home to dry..."
You have outdone yourself with the Roman Apologist video - it’s brilliant on so many levels! Love “we gave the women we kidnapped and r*ped Roman citizenship - so we are freedom bestowers!”
Masterful presentation. 👍👍
"Ok, so that last time it was like, bad and stuff, but this time the Lord said to do it, so... whatayagonnado?" "So your excuse is.. you heard a voice tell you to do it?" "Yup. Legit that way, broheim." "Err..."
brilliant presentation!
I can't hear about the Sabine women without thinking of "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers." For those unfamiliar with this musical, 7 brothers live in the mountains. The oldest one tricks a woman into marrying him, then the other 6 kidnap girls to be their wives. At one point the brothers sing a song about the Sabine (pronounced Sobbin) women.
Change of topic: the outright lies that biblical apologists tell about the people who lived near the ancient hebrews is awful. Even if all the crap they say is true, it still wouldn't excuse the alleged actions of "god's people." And that preacher was essentially saying it is ok to kill lgbtqia+ people. Wow.
I love that clip at the end. I was wondering how you could do this with such a straight face lol
Really great video. Glad I stayed to the end.
For the dark algorithm god. Apologetics in a nutshell
I've heard apologists defend taking the little girls (as not actually sex slaves- sure) with the argument that the Israelite warriors were sorry for them because they were orphans (the Hebrews had just massacred their fathers, mothers, and brothers) and they would die if left alone in the desert.
disgusting
You know that's literally the definition of Chutzpah right?
So well said...
Fun fact: it seems that both "rape" and "rapture" come from the Latin verb "rapiō" ("snatch, carry off").
And "raptor".
Probably my favorite video of yours so far. Not paying respect where none is due, calling atrocities as such.
If there truly is a good god out there, I'd be inclined to say "You're doing god's work!"
Alas, I do not see sufficient evidence for one, so I'll instead say you are doing something great and valuable for all of humanity.
"Did what is right in their own eyes"---- The Koi San peoples 'do what is right in their own eye' without the Christian god. And they are doing fine.
RR, love your work. Keep it up.
Sabine is also a germanic (?) name. Is there a link? I know it is used in the netherlands, belgium, germany, etc.
Now I have a scene from "Rosencantz and Guildenstern are Dead" running through my head.
I've heard apologists say that in Numbers 31 that it was Moses himself who came up with the idea to do those things and it wasn't god telling him to do them.
respond with, 🤔so which version of bileBull, is that verse, written that way🤨?
If God objected, he could have summoned a swarm of bears to take down Moses.
Excellently done.
Gobsmacked. Psychotically insidious. Great content, thank~you!
These clips of Christian apologists left me feeling physically ill.
To me it's interesting how God coerced Mary at 14yo to get pregnant and carry his child.
Good to see a fellow folio enjoyer.
In order to convince believers that it was indeed a loving action the more modern Roman apologists would point out that the women would otherwise live in poverty and sickness, had they not been given a home and children in the Roman empire.
"Isn't this better? Isn't this your natural state?" - Loki, in The Avengers, just before an old man points out that fascism is of all times and that it has always failed because it misses the core of our humanity: cooperation works. Empathy is sustainable, and subjugation has been proven not to be sustainable because you can't eradicate empathy.
Or in other words, religion is intrinsically supremacist and fascist, but more to their own than to others. Most religions don't seek to dominate outsiders anymore, but they still do so with believers of their own religions, giving supreme power to whoever is believed to interpret the god's will and submitting to the interpreter, for they have more power over the lives of believers in the community than all the gods combined have
Fail to appease the leader and your life will be miserable, that's the promise of the fascist and one echoed by the apologists.
And all of it is born out of mistrust and the expectation that if people are free, they will drop their thin layer of civilization and create a chaotic, lawless, and barbaric society, like we see in all secular countries, obviously.
Hm? In their freedom they created a democracy and they increased their well being and happiness? Oh... yeah, did I mention that fascism is fragile and dysfunctional because our nature is actually social and cooperative and not barbaric and selfish? The mistrust is pure projection of some fearful people who fear losing power more than anything.
So now you know why apologetics isn't just a weak projection of a weak mind, but intrinsically fascist, and unable to fathom why it always inevitably fails. It can't leave room to understand that we are all better than their projections, because that would prove it is the weaker position, and the whole point is to pretend it's the stronger position and that might makes right.
Lolz have you seen how much the Romans graffitied stuff 😅
Urghhh why did you do this to me >.
As the old saying goes, "reality has a left wing bias". Especially in the current era where "left wing" has come to mean "having progressive identity politics", rather than "being opposed to capitalism".
A few days ago I had a Christian lecture me online about how the Bible didn’t allow chattel slavery or rape. When I quoted Leviticus and that passage from Numbers, she insisted I was taking it out of context without explaining what the proper context was.
She also cited one verse from Exodus about how people would be punished if they killed their slaves, yet ignored the next verse that was part of the same sentence which said there was no punishment if the slave didn’t die from being beaten because they’re property. But yeah, I’m the one who took it out of context.
I bet he never explained the proper context.
You did take it out of context. If you read the immediately previous verse, you will see that the punishment for harming a free Israelite in the same way is limited to restitution for lost wages. So the slave, who earns no wages, also gets no restitution.
In Biblical slavery, the master owns only the proceeds of the slave's work. He does not own the slave's body.
@@fluffysheap First off, I didn’t take anything out of context. She was the one who cited Hebrews 21:20. All I did was say the second part of the sentence that proved her wrong.
Moreover, you got the context wrong. Hebrews 21:18-19 are about two men fighting, while the verses I was referring to are about a man beating his slave. How are those the same things? It also says you have to pay the free man’s medical expenses but doesn’t say that about slaves. And it specifically says the slave is their property. Where do you get the idea that they don’t own their body?
And this is only about Hebrew slaves. Leviticus makes it clear that Israelite slaves are different than non-Israelite slaves. Leviticus 25:45-46 says non-Israelite slaves are permanent slaves that are inherited as property.
@@DoctorBiobrain, it's always funny when they complain about context when they love to take things out of context when it suits them.
@@fluffysheapyou actually brought up a point that isn't in your favour. Israelites were not used as slaves in the same way the "evil surrounding others" were. Why do you apologists bend over backwards to defend horrific things in the Bible? You worship a monster.
If you can convince people to believe absurdities, you can convince them to commit atrocities.
If you can regurgitate overused quotes on the internet consistently, you can consistently internet quotes, overused and regurgitated.
@@haveaday1812 If the quote remains 100% appropriate, it is never trite.
@haveaday1812 Clearly, some such quotes ought to be used even more than they currently are,, on account of the sad fact that so many people still fail to heed them.
The fact that this quote falls for the same ploy it attempts to shine a light on is so ironic. If you can't even define what is absurd and why, then how can you decide who is responsible?
@xravenx24fe I mean, would it make you feel better if the word "absurd" were replaced with a slighly more specific word like "illogical" or "inconsistent?"
I don't have enough moral relativism to be a Christian. 🤢
I actually laughed at this lol
My MIL is furious that my wife and I didn't christen our daughter. I told her I love them both too much to be a christian. I will never understand why women follow a bronze age myth that directly tells them they are worth less than men and that it is okay to sell your daughter as a sex slave.
It's absolutely true. There are no greater moral relativists than christians, it starts already at pointing out slavery in the bible.
Add to that "not agile enough for such mental gymnastics" and we have a real winner?
You mean you don’t have enough humility and virtue to be a Christian? We all struggle with that but what sets Christians apart is that they are called to be humble, atheists are not.
Me:"How many points did the judges give you for that?"
Apologetic: "For what?"
Me:"For the mental gymnastics that you just did. It was Olympics worthy"
Just when I thought this topic had been done to death, you provide a fresh and compelling perspective. Comparing these passages to other cultures, and even other scripture Christian’s condemn was brilliant.
“It would have been impossible for their civilisation to survive anyway”
“God was patient for hundreds of years”
The civilisation couldn’t have been doing that badly if this was supposedly happening for hundreds of years.
We’ll never know. That god thingy that supposedly longs for a loving relationship with us made sure those folks didn’t survive to tell their side of the story.
Also don't these people think that God sends "signs" all the time? But apparently he doesn't do anything to impede the success of a civilization built on atrocities. While at the same time giving his favor to other ones that did things that were about as despicable and ensuring that they even got to conquer other people that they would then abuse and enslave.
Makes me wonder if they actually listen to themselves
The "civilization" in the first quote are the mideanites, the people God was patient with were the Israelites. The Mideanites came from the same ancestors as the Israelites, but they turned away from God to worship thier neighbors God, Baal. Baal was the one that cooked and ate babies. He was just like Jehovah, but more evil. At the time when God ordered to destroy the Mideanites, they had already conquered and were trying to exterminate the Israelites, and they also r8ped the women without marrying them. That's why it proclaims the Israelites as the "good guys", since they only massacred and r8ped Some of the people, instead of everyone like thier enemies.
@@JebeckyGranjola it was all just apologetic propaganda created by the writers to excuse genocide. It is clear that pretty much the entire old testament is a book of propaganda. It has so many demonstrable lies, that it cannot be trusted in any detail. Those excuses are no different than Bush's purposefully fallacious claims of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Everytime i hear this stories, i feel sick to my stomach. How can anybody with a sound mind justify or defend anything of those atrocities.
Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost.
"it was a different time" or "it's morally good if God commands it" or something else like that.
They call it a "moral system" and "divine command theory" when they go "God did it so it must be right".
But when you point out that they would object to humans, especially outsiders, doing any of the same actions and using the same objections, they scream "that's different!!!"
Because they're desperate to see the Emperor's New Clothes. To pretend there's nothing wrong with them and their cognitive dissonance.
Because faced with an eternal gain every atrocity is worth it
@@DarthVaderfr ...yeah, I'll have to disagree with that. Especially as eternally praising the guy who set you up is no gain.
And with how MOST people will miss out on any such "gain". Either dead or eternally tortured.
Bible keeps on failing every moral test.
Cognitive dissonance and the coping mechanisms behind it, are powerful. However it's all too obvious that this means that you defend the indefensible when you defend these atrocities.
I love the "no king in Israel" line... the biblical god tried several times to convince the Israelites that they didn't need or want a king...
Yeah it's funny how the "chosen" people rejected the all powerful being multiple times or just lost wars against others despite being backed by an all powerful being.
100% as I recall they were punished for wanting a king at all, and then god grudgingly allowed it.
You've honestly missed the point. Israel was lawless and miserable at the time and was periodically propped up by random liberators. The entire purpose of Judges is that Israel was completely lost. All men did only what they pleases--there was no authority.
@@archie8767then why did God not want them to have a king?
@@archie8767 "Israel was lawless and miserable at the time"
I don't recall ANY such period from the history of that piece of land (ancient or modern day Israel)
when was it?
and even if somebody shows such a period, why does that matter in the bible? The g0d is a very mighty (almost almighty) wizard in that b00k. If the g0d had existed, it could have handled some chaos with ease. It could have said "Let those wicked poeple be poofed outa existence with 0 pain"
instead, the g0d sent a bunch of ignorant brutes to stab and cut children with sharp and pointy objects.
makes. n0. sense.
When I was a Christian I took it on faith to believe a lot of things I didn't understand in the Bible. I'm glad this was not one of them. It never made any sense to me how all the horrific acts in the old testament could be justified. Now that I'm out of the religion I see it for what it is. Religion is the tool that allows good people to do terrible things. After all if morality is dictated by God then genocide is ok because God said so.
I've heard christians justify the Holocaust, because, 'The Jews had turned their backs on God.' 🤮🤮🤮
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He did say to (Romeo Alpha Papa Echo) little girls, though.
@@kevinjensen2071 Don't act like an idiot. That rule is only true for and to your(?) fellow believers in this scumbag.
There is a plethora of disgusting "exceptions" in this holy book of shit, which is the word of scumgod, they say.
And again, don't act like an idiot: If you yourself feel the need to find an exception (f.e. because of someone criticizing you and calling you a monster, defending this disgusting cult) ... you will FIND ONE ... easy. I BELIEVE in you ... **vomiting**
@@kevinjensen2071and almost immediately ordered Moses to murderer the Medianites and take their virgins in numbers 31... There's so much to say about that "though shall not murder"... It's the god of the Israelites, not of the other tribes... The others were fair game
@@kevinjensen2071 and then ordered several times not only murder but also rape... Great way to keep these people from commiting murder... By ordering it
It's actually quite a hard challenge to pick the most horrific story from the OT. The rape of those women is right up there, and of course multiple genocides including the global flood, but don't forget the other immoral stories such as setting bears to tear 42 children to pieces, killing the first born of Egypt, butchering the followers of Baal for being wrong, stoning an old man to death for collecting sticks, killing the guy who didn't want to impregnate his brother's widow, killing the guy who tried to stop the Ark from falling, hardening Pharoh's heart so that he would refuse to let people go and result in the deaths of thousands, butchering the Israelites who worshipped the golden calf... The failure to reconcile the war god of the OT to the hippy god of the NT was one thing that really left me thinking these two works are incoherent.
i prefer old testament God, then it's a fun story about an insane omnipotent and yet highly incompetent entity never quite learning that when you give things free will they won't always do what you want them to do, and then getting mad about it
then the new testament came and suddenly he's meant to be nice? lame
"Incoherent" is the single best word to describe the bible.
@@thejuiceking2219 NT God "Love thy neighbour", "Turn the other cheek".
OT God "Kill everyone and everything. Man, woman and child. Hell, kill all the animals just cos they were in the same city as these people that pissed me off! Blood for the Blood God!"
@@thejuiceking2219he funny thing is, the way he is written, you would never get the impression that he is omnipotent. Powerful, yes, omnipotent? Hell no. If anything, deities like Ra, Kukulkan and even someone like Zeus display a greater sense of omnipotence.
And Christians will claim God gives objective, unchanging, perfect moral laws and that those laws are written on our hearts.
There was a time in my life when I was really honestly searching for meaning. I became a Christian. I actually read this exact passage and called my pastor at the time for some sort of explanation. Nobody has been able to explain it away because it is disgusting. I am so glad to finally have found your channel to make sense of old beliefs about religion and morality. I love your insights and deep analysis! Thank you !
Same. It's exactly what made me question the church and the bible
Guys, in more than one way me too #metoo 😊
the concubine story is pure bible gold. i was starting to lean towards agnosticim but was getting a hard time leaving everything completely when i found that story. it was at that time that i found out the meaning of "if you read the bible you wouldnt be christian"
Indeed: freeing myself from religion equaled freeing myself from the need to rationalize and spin bad behavior.
As a kid, my mom basically tried to bring me and my siblings to church ever since we were little, and somehow it never stuck with my bro and I because it just felt off. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more it was in part due to the existence of an apologetics section in general. Like seriously, if they truly were pure and on the side of righteousness, they would never need such a section to begin with. It’s like trying to make excuses about a 4.0 GPA student not being obviously precise and consistent in their work. Doesn’t make sense whatsoever.
That's really sad. I hope she got better as you guys got older
It really isn't. Any professional field involves apologetics.
@@archie8767such as?
@@archie8767 Name one professional secular field that has a confirmed apologetics part then (and preferably provide evidence as well). Cause I'm pretty certain things like science and geology don't involve any real apologetics.
@@GameTimeWhy Also to respond to that: while she still goes to church regularly, surprisingly she's actually been super chill instead of overbearing. Just seems to have accepted that we aren't religious, and still likes to take care of us whenever a family meet happens.
This was F**king outstanding. I went to church for years and always felt out of place. Probably because I sensed the level of obscene bullshit I was hearing.
I only briefly attended church but even that was enough to make me feel uneasy, like there was something sinister underlying it all. Turns out, my intuition was correct.
When you need apologetics, you know you have to justify something shitty
All these stories were kept from us while we attended school. From the age of 6, all we were fed were the miracles, the birth of Jeebus and stories of derring-do. It was rejected by all of us as utter twaddle. The final nail in the Christian coffin was when we decided to read the bible cover-to-cover. Interesting. Our teachers never mentioned slavery, genocide, r@pe, incest, human sacrifices, drinking human blood, eating human flesh etc... god is love? My @rse god is love.
Yet they teach kids about Noah's Arc. That has always hit me as weird. The near complete genocide of the human race and virtually every living thing on earth. Maybe because of all the animals and a rainbow at the end they manage to kid-ify it. But it's a description of the greatest crime in the history of the world. Done by God. So weird.
God have mercy on your soul.
@@lilyrose4652 God! Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
@@lilyrose4652 Which god?
@@lilyrose4652 Please present your evidence that any human has a soul.
A friend of mine used to qualify these apologetics, as hermeneutical gymnastics, or, gymneutics. BTW, I couldn't more with your assessment that it's disgusting. The machinations of these apologists are grotesque.
Two things:
First, my inattention during ancient history left me without knowledge about the rape of the Sabines, except as a phrase I heard hear and there over the years. But I sort of heard the story as a kid when I saw Seven Brides For Seven Brothers.
Second, the thing about the Bible stories you mentioned is that someone wrote these stories well after the supposed events as part of history. And they had such confidence in the righteousness of the action that they didn't even clean it up. And later editors decided that it read just fine. No problem, we're the good guys. The modern willingness to rationalize slavery, rape, murder, and genocide makes me worry very much about our future. Especially since we already have some hints at how they will behave by watching the Taliban, and some other places.
What is scarier: maybe the Bible is the cleaned up version.
@@mattf5935 Oh. Good point.
@@janerkenbrack3373 U should be concerned about today: not 3,000 years ago: its The leftists and Islam you need to worry about: Christians actually will defend U.
And this fake Viking on the video!
There is incredibly little to no evidence for the bible stories. They’re probably to be taken with Lot’s wife.
Don’t fear how they will behave.. take off the blinders and ask yourself how they are currently behaving.. women are still graped and forced into submitting to men who hoard resources and see women as property. We are still in this wicked bible story until we recognize that these ways didn’t really hit and end point when we reached freedom and equality.. we still raise our daughters to submit to this bullshit.
I have had conversations with apologists (yea in the plural) on TikTok who have outright said that if God ordered them to genocide a people group, they would do it because they would see it as righteous. They said this in the specific context of a discussion around the modern attempt at genocide against trans people here in America. They gave the caveat that they didn't think he had given that order, but were VERY clear that it would have been their moral obligation and a good thing if the order indeed came from God.
The fact that I have heard this from more than one person in a modern country is baffling. Wish I was recording those conversations. I did report them. No idea what happened afterwards.
Ask them if God ordered them to kill themselves would it still be the righteously proper thing to do ? And how long would they take to weigh out if it was really God speaking.
@@FoursWithinyes, I think if they were given those instructions they would want a lot of clarification and multiple repeated instructions and even then they would probably refuse (unfortunately)
"Myself, Myself, why have I forsaken Me?"
This makes sense to Christians.
Great job, my brother. If you don’t already know, Low Bar Bill called the murder of the babies an “infinite good” - ‘cause they went straight to heaven. These are disgusting people!!! Oh, and love the costume!
WLC:"All the children went straight to Heaven after the Israelites killed them."
"Where does it say that in the Bible?"
WLC: "It doesn't- I just pulled that straight out of my ass."
Sounds like WLC is making an argument for abortion to me.
@@markevans8206 Yeah, the most loving thing a parent could do by this definition is to murder their kids. Christians like that are deranged beyond belief.
God can make it up to them with eternal bliss? Does that not outweigh any sufferings suffered on earth? If you suffered for ten years, died and then had never-ending happiness wouldn’t that make up for all the misery you went through on earth?
@@markevans8206 No. Abortion is a grave evil.
Education + biting satire = “that was awesome, Steve!”
My pastor said this same crap. It’s funny-my youth pastor wanted to prove that the Bible “was edgy” basically so he went through and read all the WORST passages. Like I’ll never forget the “dash the babies across the rocks” line. I was horrified. It had the exact opposite effect than I GUESS he was trying to get? Still don’t really know what he was thinking. Most of the other teenagers were also clearly confused and freaked out. We had never been read the “bad” stuff in the Bible. That was the moment I began to wonder, gee, maybe the Bible isn’t that great? And started to actually read it to see if it was all in there. I was mortified. That was the first step towards my deconversion. It took several years of deconstruction to undo stuff and officially walk away. It’s all just so sad now when I hear people talk positively about this horrible crap and can clearly see how stupid and toxic it is. I’m glad I got out of it and am no longer justifying horrible “morality stories” like these :/
Incredibly based. Well-said.
Dashing infants on the rocks in the Psalms isn’t literal. It’s expressing anger.
@@juliabriggs1141 That is true.
@@juliabriggs1141 who decides what is literal and what is expressive writing?
@@roadstar2504The Writter decides it
25:50 He's right, history definitely shows how the Canaanite civilization had a hard time surviving after that, colonizing the whole Mediterranean and founding cities that are inhabited to this day. Just imagine if they had followed Yahweh instead of Baal, maybe Hannibal would have been a good general able to defeat the Romans, like the Jews later did at Cannae
The Jews didn't defeat the Romans at cannae, Hannibal did.
@@digbycrankshaft7572 that's the joke.
The Sabine Women/Them Sobbin' Wimmen/'Seven Brides for Seven Brothers"- nice how tales evolve.
Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost..
This is definitely one of your best pieces of work in quite a while. Not that your work isn't generally good but this is top-notch 👍
If one is allowed to forward utter cobblers in the guise of religion completely unchallenged then it really isn't much of a leap to expect to be able to forward utter cobblers in every field without facing challenge, surprise surprise here is where one ends up.
Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost...
Cobblers? People who repair shoes? I'm guessing this is slang for lies?
When your entire livelihood requires people to believe unbelievable things in order for you to survive, there is no reason to be surprised these people 'cobble'. Few people make a less honorable living than a liar with a collection plate. 2nd oldest hussle in human history.
@@Heathcoatman I've never heard "cobblers" like that either 🤔
@@hope1575 It comes from Cockeny rhyming slang "cobbler's awls" meaning "balls" i.e. utter bollocks.
@@Heathcoatman In the UK utter cobblers would be considered a slightly more polite way of expressing total bs. CJLloyd in a previous comment has given the origins of the term.
The use of surprise in the following statement is the equally British tradition of employing a slightly sarcastic tone rather than genuine surprise.
Not gonna lie. I was listening to this while doing other things and the Roman apologetics was really, *really* disturbing to hear. Ended up clicking on the video just to see you in costume because otherwise it was too jarring.
Seriously though, comparing Roman apologetics with Christian was very clever. 99% of Christians (if they don't have the foresight to see where it's going) will rationally decry that level of double think as disgusting. And then you hit them with an even worse story from the Bible. Bravo Sir!
Totally agree. 'Twould rank as a great video even without it, but the costume change was fire from Prometheus.
These apologists are turning me into a militant atheist. The outrage I feel at them justifying the sexual slavery of kids and genocide is overwhelming. And they claim they are spiritually and morally superior!?
Hey, I get it. I was a militant atheist for years. I still am, in some respects, but I don't seek out fundamentalists to bicker with anymore.
But spending your time arguing with believers about why their beliefs are ridiculous and horrific is virtually always a waste of everyone's time and usually leads to them being more deeply entrenched in their beliefs.
You will spend dozens or hundreds of hours of time and effort and have nothing to show for it in the end. Keep that anger and motivation and use it for community organizing and action. We can't change these people directly. We have to change the world around them.
@@brookejon3695 You are not wrong.
Idk If you took my request but, this is the best rape culture nail I have ever seen. Much gratitude for you!! It is the 4th over here, and this just made my summer!! Thank you 100000000000000 times!!
Ps.... how the bleep do you tell if a woman is a virgin?!?!?
Also... even though we do not agree on some important issues I am "joining" 3.99 a month club... legit. I am willing to fund your protection at this point. Get yourself a hat with some guard rails so no more posts become damaged... j/k.. but in all sincerity. I really appreciate it. Especially coming from a male/man human... it is greatly appreciated!!
This one is such a good resource I saved it in my favorites
Did all of these Israelite cities have a group of bad men who came to the door whenever a visitor came to town? Demanding the visitor come out to be raped?
And always the male visitor?
Who were these people in these Israelite towns that were acting like this?
Where did they come from? Why were they tolerated?
Many questions.
Little sense.
Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost...
Mysterious ways
Bro don't screw up my good story and grand narrative with your inquiring mind.
Maybe it was a celebratory welcome gang bang and the Abrahamics reframed it as a rape when they decided to persecute homosexuality out of public life?
The entire narrative of Judges is that Israel was continuously falling away from God. The entire narrative is moral collapse -> capture -> liberation -> moral collapse -> capture -> liberation.
Fascinating subject, with a delicious meta-theme to satisfy your viewers, too. Very well done, thanks RR.
Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost..
Waiting period.... nobody gonna call out why? This was the check and balance to make sure they weren't carrying the enemy's child.
1 month, you know... roughly 28 days...
That's not what it was for...
@@archie8767 Are you suggesting that it was entirely to allow the girls to grieve? One month isn’t long enough to get over being forced to marry the so,diet that killed your whole family. But one month is exactly long enough to make sure a girls isn’t pregnant a;ready. Once she gets her next period, then she’s a virgin and the bridal rape may commence.
That’s no written in the Bible but surely you can read between the lines. Or do you actually think an orphaned teenage girl would be willing to marry an enemy soldier after only a month? Not that women of he time had any choice regarding marriage.
6:48 incidentally the act of kidnapping young girls and taking them as wives is also one of the many traditions in Africa, my mother told me that when she was a young girl one of her friends had that happen to her and my mom and her other friends went to tell the parents of their kidnapped friend, they were shocked to find out that they knew and they let it happen. The tradition is no longer practiced thankfully.
It's still practised in central Asia sadly, the moms and sisters of the kidnappers would convince them by shouting at them for an hour to marry thier son. Today its done when the partners agree to marry eachother before doing the tradition but they do it when the women have no idea when it's going to happen and can never back to thier old life. Its messed up but for them it's tradition is how they try to justify it.
Halfway through I forgot we were doing a hypothetical Roman apologetics. Started agreeing and now realize how susceptible I really am
What a well done review of ancient comparative history. I am so happy that I was never a theist.
Have you ever seen the old movie “7 brides for 7 brothers” it was okay for 7 lumberjacks to come into town and drag 7 women back up the mountain. The rest of the movie is Stockholm syndrome
Wouldn't the waiting period be so that they can see if the girl menstruates and isn't pregnant?
Well damn, that's clever.
Apparently so.
In their persuit of obtaining the highest moral values, many Christians seem to have sacrificed their humanity on the altar of their own religion.
You don't need to defend everything in the bible to be a Christian. All you need is to believe that Jesus is a Messiah. I am a Zoroastrian and know other Zoroastrians who believe that he was a Saoshyant.
@@TheMilitantMazdakite I would certainly hope that not all Christians believe or follow everything in the bible. The world is already sufficiently messed up as it is now.
But paradoxically, theirin lies both their salvation and demise.
On one hand, by not following the bible completely, they are free to rise above the questionable morality written in it.
And on the other hand, it enables them to pick and choose the parts they happen to agree with ... and end up with the most attrocious world view possible ... and be fully confident in it because "it's biblical".
This is because every moral proclamation in the bible is not unique to it. But every unique poclamation in it, is not moral.
Combine this with divine command theory and an absolute religious convinction and you have the perfect recipe for disaster ... as evidenced all over the world.
Yes! This is a wonderful video Stephen!
When i brought this in addition to a variety of other biblical issues up to my pastor after leaving Christianity he just responded by asking why i have a problem with things like SA, genocide or anything else in the Bible if i don't have a god. That was the day i really embraced the idea that many people are not just mislead, they are legitimately terrible people and you don't have to respect them.
Wow! OMG! This Roman apologia sounds like the current Russian apologia for its "operation" in Ukraine.
I know you're not presenting the Roman apologetics in earnest, but wow, it still truly disgusts me to hear it defended.
You, sir, are a polemic artist. Thank you for your work.
I have to say that this is one of Stephen's best videos to date. It shines a supernova intensity spotlight on the horrors that the religious try to justify in defense of their fairytales.
The truly horrifying part is that while the events decribed in the Bible almost certainly didn't happen you can bet that something similar did in order to inspire such stories.
I have one request for anyone who claims the Israelites did the Midianites a favor. Please, don't do me no favors.
I recently saw Inspiring Philosophy adding a new interpretation to Numbers 31. IP says that several Christian scholars know that this is really not an order from God but from Moses acting alone, adding details to God's orders. That God ordered only to declare war on the Midianites but Moses disobeyed and added the massacre and kidnappings.
I mean, the apology continues, but now when the Bible says "God commands" or "God said" another type of apology is to reexamine the facts under the filter of the examiner's morality and if you don't like what it says, then they are not God's orders. but either Moses or another guilty biblical character mentioned. But it's not that the Bible is wrong, it's that only one part is what God said and another part is describing human orders or additions...
This is supposed to be so because in Deuteronomy 20 God gives the principles of not doing that, and since the Bible neither God obviously has no contradictions... it is obvious that Moses added bad things to God's orders...
In a new type of cherry picking, when I like something it's what God says and when I don't then the Bible is only describing what the person says, not necessarily God...
Another could have done it the other way around for those who prefer to justify massacres and kidnappings, they could say that in Deuteronomy 20 when God says that this is not to be done they are added by Moses and that in numbers 31 it is what God really wants, or well, there are reinterpretations and rationalizations to give coherence to the contradictions. It's just choosing the one that causes less internal moral conflicts...
No true Scotsman,deity style.
Superb. It's almost as if you are adept at bringing history to life, through insight, comedy and interesting graphics...you should do that more 😜
When you bend over backwards so far (in accepting these atrocities) you might actually see the body part that defines you.
Yeah Levite's concubine is the most fucked up story in there it's like a pshycho did a fan fiction of the Sodom and Gomorra story...
Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost..
No. The Lot Family Has Some Babies (Sodom & Gomorra) is just a Disney version of Judges 19 (Levite & Concubine).
A Tale Told By Lot - The Victim - 2 Angels showed up. Lot saved them from being raped. Mrs. Lot escaped the town, but died by becoming Salt. Lot was raped by Daughter #1 on one night and raped again by Daughter #2 on another night. These are the tragedies that Lot suffered during the walk from the next town over. Makes as much sense as anything else presented as an example of Christian morality and justification for having Christians write laws that control the actions of everyone.
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@@roguemedic Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost...
@@roguemedicI forgot Lot was raped. Dude was punished "tested" a lot by his god.
@@GameTimeWhy Sarcasm?
Lot was raped by 2 different daughters on 2 different nights resulting in 2 different pregnancies, according to the explanation given by Lot.
Is that impossible?
No.
Is it believable?
Why would anyone take lot's word for it?
He was the most moral man in a town destroyed for being "too immoral" according to the Gods who saved Lot as their pillar of morality (as opposed to Mrs. Lot, who was made a pillar of Salt as an example of the punishment for reacting to a loud explosion behind them - reflexes are sin!)
These are the same Gods that hardened the heart of Pharaoh, to justify killing Pharaoh's first born and all of the other first born children in the land.
Maybe Lot is being set up as the dupe. Maybe the fiancees both impregnated the daughters and mysteriously disappeared. Maybe Lot slept through the nights and did not engage in sexual activities with his daughters. Maybe the Bible really makes sense./sarcasm
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29:31 I think it’s absolutely lovely that women were allowed to grieve for their parents, uncles and aunts and baby brothers being slaughtered for a whole month.
That’s epitome of morality.
I love how the video starts with crimes against humanity in the 8th century BC, and yet the Bible manages to one up it considerably. Compared to Moses, Romulus now appears to be a nice guy.
Having lost a daughter to the self-destructive behavior caused by struggling to live with the resulting PTSD due to rape this story in the Bible is especially disturbing. How these idiots can justify this horrific “God” is beyond me. If I hadn’t quit believing in “God” before my daughter’s death I would hate him now. Everyone should know the story of Daisy Coleman and her mother. Like Daisy’s mother I have attempted suicide but, my husband found me so I didn’t succeed. I am honest and open about this in the hope of someone else learning about the far reaching consequences of rape, there is more than one victim - it affects the entire family. For that reason alone the Bible needs to be relegated to the garbage heap because it is garbage.
Christian apologists are always relying on the concept of “objective moral truth”. But the truth is, as evidenced in the Bible, not even God behaves with objective morality. It’s often very much relative.
Brilliant.
Haha "that, is genocide"... well its the most passive aggressive genocide I've ever heard of. 🤣🤣🤷♂️
Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost...
Well done! The contrast of emotional responses when hearing "others" stories of rape and "our" stories of rape is telling. And explains why religious apologists do the pretzel act so consistently.
Christians are like hagfish: th-cam.com/video/RrPvMMkQkk0/w-d-xo.html
Epic Stephen, epic! 🤣
That was fierce, Steven. Very well constructed, too.
Thanks.
numbers 31 has one of the last nails in the coffin of my faith in Christianity. its is one most damning parts of the Bible and a no win scenario for apologists.
Good episode. I enjoyed. Like the way of contrasting and explaining
Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost...
But killing the brothers and parents of little girls is admitted to be less than optimal, so they allow the little girls a full month to get over it.
Makes perfect sense - to the true believer, but ONLY to the true believer in THAT religion.
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Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost...
Or to the self serving creepy
lusting incels.
The 1 month reprieve before the impending rape was more to make sure the woman or girl child wasn't pregnant. Espcially as there was and never is a way to tell if a woman is a virgin or not. Then the rapist can be sure any future children conceived by his act of rape of the woman or little girl is his own rape baby.