Hi, and thank you so much for your videos! It really gives a sense of what loopers can accomplish and it shows you're a very skilled musician. Although maybe you can answer me one question? I'm a travelling nylon string guitarist that usually provides soundscapes and textured scapes for dance classes, movement classes, yoga retreats, etc and would like to know if this pedal would be reliable for these kind of performances. Would take about 1h30 to 3h of straight up usage and would involve asynchronous loops to quantized 8th replaced sync'd loops, no more than 3 loops running at a time and because space is essential while travelling, other effects outside of the looper module would also come from this pedal as EQ, compression, reverb, delay, etc... Not all running at the same time though. Or maybe if so, just for a short time. At home I do have a pedal board with a couple pedals for certain functions but not so much as i dont want to over-do sound as well and give space to silence. So my question is, is this pedal relieable that could function for this amount of time with no break or shutting off? Should I have a panic module also before the output to the mixing desk? Thank you so much for your time, Joao
Hi Joao! Thanks for tuning in. Personally, I would be reluctant to use the Beebo as the centerpiece of an extended live performance. Right now (it's June 23, 2022 as I write this), there are still a lot of bugs with Loopler that make it challenging to rely on, for me. My second Beebo report video shows some issues with 8th quantization, for instance, and I don't believe those bugs have been addressed as of yet. Beebo in general is an amazing tool, but in my opinion it's still a little rough around the edges. It's great for sound design and in-studio experimentation, but I personally would be really nervous about using it as a primary looper or effects processor in a live performance situation. With that said, I'm optimistic that Loopler, and Beebo in general, will continue to develop and mature as time goes on. I would be delighted to have to come back here and correct/update my comments! So my fingers are crossed that such a thing can happen. :)
"...probably not quite ready for the Grammys" LOL, that's the whole point, isn't it? Thanks for this fun and informative demo. I recently aquired a Beebo and it is an amazing and limitless device, literally an entire modular system disguised as an effects pedal. I've been putting together some nice generative patches, your demos are giving me lots of new fodder to work with.
Hey Andre. Been really enjoying yuor periodic reports (as well as all the others). Had my Beebo a while but didn’t jump into Loopler right away as there was just too much else to learn. Just started dipping into Loopler the last few days. Equal parts amazing and frustrating. I’m not quite getting the syncing and quantizing down. My results are less than what I expect. And things like using Replace in Reverse are so frustrating as it could be really cool but just so unreliable. Shame. Anyway I noticed the new 3.20 update I did last night added the Round function to Loopler that is in SooperLooper, maybe in EDP as well. I’ve been going over your excellent library of EDP videos to learn the nuts and bolts of this type of looping system. Really helpful. One thing that’s a massive pain in Loopler is there is no way to edit or modify MIDI assignments other than delete the modules and start again. For some reason I run into that all the time. Maybe it’s my approach that’s in error. But if I set a MIDI assignment to ALL LOOPS then later realize that THIS LOOP would be better (or vice verse) there is no way to rectify that. Hope you keep updating your thoughts on Beebo especially with the new Round feature.
Thanks for tuning in! I agree with your thoughts here. I definitely plan to cover more Beebo in the future, and Round is definitely at the top of the list for upcoming vids.
@@andrelafosse Great, thanks man. I look forward to that. Just last night I was trying again to pull off your windowing technique and failing. Every time I try to Replace a 1/8th section of the cycle Loopler decides to erase the whole cycle and many times Undo just does not bring the loop back. Have to start again from scratch. I’ve watched enough of your EDP videos to know this is something you do with regularity so should be very straightforward. Is this behavior you have noticed in Loopler? Or does it indicate an error in my set up?
@@madmac66 I don't think it's error on your part - quantized replace was pretty buggy in Loopler, when last I checked. I have yet to update to firmware 3.20, so there may be some fixes that have gone on there. (I believe in the second Beebo report video, there's footage of having to set the 8th-quantization value one number higher than what it actually quantizes to...) But yes: there's a good amount of EDP functionality that either isn't implemented in Loopler yet, or is pretty buggy in its behavior. I've brought these things to Poly's attention, but I also try to be mindful that Loopler is one of many, many modules in Beebo. I'm optimistic, but I'm also not expecting the Beebo to get to the point where it's a 1:1 emulation of all of the EDP's functionality. With that said, there's already quite a bit of stuff Loopler does (vari-speed, multiple simultaneous loops) that is totally beyond the EDP, so there's a lot I like about it in its current form.
@@andrelafosse Yeah great points. I absolutely loooooove what Beebo does. I’ve had it a few months and it’s endless joy to build and play. I have a DittoX4 that I’ve used for looping but that thing is a toy compared to the EDP and loppers of that nature. It’s great Poly ported over the codebase to Beebo, its a fine attempt and a great addition to an already mammoth suite of modules. Ya see, now I’ve tasted caviar I really don’t want to go back to chopped liver (in terms of looping). The EDP style process is so organic and fun. Anyway, thanks for sharing all you do. It’s been a huge eye opener for me and very enjoyable to go on that journey. Peace, I’ll see ya around.
Hi! These videos are great. I have a Beebo on the way! I'm still confused a little bit by the VCAs. They just seem like level sliders on a mixer. Is that a good way to think about them?
Sorry I never replied to this! Slipped past me. Yes, that's a good way to describe them, though you've probably long since explored the Beebo. How have you gotten on with it?
Thank you for all these videos about the Loopler! I have an LP-1 and a Blooper for my guitar, now I'm checking for a new looper for my synths. Have you tested the Loopler with midi sync? Do you think that the 14ms latency could be a problem when sync with my other loopers? The Blooper have the same kind of latency and it is hard to use it with percussive sounds sync to a drum machine because of this...
Thanks for tuning in! Unfortunately, I have no experience with using Loopler with MIDI sync. If you're on FB, the Poly User's Group is a really good resource for info: facebook.com/groups/polyeffects
Awesome content, thanks! The million-dollar question though: For someone who wants to get into more experimental looping do you recommend the Beebo/Loopler or the EDP for learning the concepts? Loupé would be in the running but the lack of MIDI and straightforward timestretch turns me off.
I guess I don't really see EDP vs. Loopler as an either/or prospect. The EDP is definitely more fully realized as a pure looper, and some of the deeper EDP functions aren't really accurately emulated in Loopler as of yet. On the other hand, the EDP doesn't do multiple loops, or pitch changes (aside from half/full speed), whereas Loopler does both of those really well. Neither one does dedicated timestretching (unless you count the EDP stutter mode/insert "manual timestretch" move). There's a time stretch module in Beebo, but in my limited experience it's not quite the same thing as a fully-implemented looping timestretch. If you're on a mac, you could take Sooperlooper for a spin - that's the foundation for Loopler, and it's freeware. Thanks for tuning in! Sorry I can't give a more definitive answer...
Hi, and thank you so much for your videos!
It really gives a sense of what loopers can accomplish and it shows you're a very skilled musician.
Although maybe you can answer me one question?
I'm a travelling nylon string guitarist that usually provides soundscapes and textured scapes for dance classes, movement classes, yoga retreats, etc and would like to know if this pedal would be reliable for these kind of performances. Would take about 1h30 to 3h of straight up usage and would involve asynchronous loops to quantized 8th replaced sync'd loops, no more than 3 loops running at a time and because space is essential while travelling, other effects outside of the looper module would also come from this pedal as EQ, compression, reverb, delay, etc... Not all running at the same time though. Or maybe if so, just for a short time.
At home I do have a pedal board with a couple pedals for certain functions but not so much as i dont want to over-do sound as well and give space to silence.
So my question is, is this pedal relieable that could function for this amount of time with no break or shutting off? Should I have a panic module also before the output to the mixing desk?
Thank you so much for your time,
Joao
Hi Joao! Thanks for tuning in. Personally, I would be reluctant to use the Beebo as the centerpiece of an extended live performance. Right now (it's June 23, 2022 as I write this), there are still a lot of bugs with Loopler that make it challenging to rely on, for me. My second Beebo report video shows some issues with 8th quantization, for instance, and I don't believe those bugs have been addressed as of yet.
Beebo in general is an amazing tool, but in my opinion it's still a little rough around the edges. It's great for sound design and in-studio experimentation, but I personally would be really nervous about using it as a primary looper or effects processor in a live performance situation.
With that said, I'm optimistic that Loopler, and Beebo in general, will continue to develop and mature as time goes on. I would be delighted to have to come back here and correct/update my comments! So my fingers are crossed that such a thing can happen. :)
"...probably not quite ready for the Grammys" LOL, that's the whole point, isn't it? Thanks for this fun and informative demo. I recently aquired a Beebo and it is an amazing and limitless device, literally an entire modular system disguised as an effects pedal. I've been putting together some nice generative patches, your demos are giving me lots of new fodder to work with.
Hey Andre. Been really enjoying yuor periodic reports (as well as all the others). Had my Beebo a while but didn’t jump into Loopler right away as there was just too much else to learn. Just started dipping into Loopler the last few days. Equal parts amazing and frustrating. I’m not quite getting the syncing and quantizing down. My results are less than what I expect. And things like using Replace in Reverse are so frustrating as it could be really cool but just so unreliable. Shame. Anyway I noticed the new 3.20 update I did last night added the Round function to Loopler that is in SooperLooper, maybe in EDP as well. I’ve been going over your excellent library of EDP videos to learn the nuts and bolts of this type of looping system. Really helpful. One thing that’s a massive pain in Loopler is there is no way to edit or modify MIDI assignments other than delete the modules and start again. For some reason I run into that all the time. Maybe it’s my approach that’s in error. But if I set a MIDI assignment to ALL LOOPS then later realize that THIS LOOP would be better (or vice verse) there is no way to rectify that. Hope you keep updating your thoughts on Beebo especially with the new Round feature.
Thanks for tuning in! I agree with your thoughts here. I definitely plan to cover more Beebo in the future, and Round is definitely at the top of the list for upcoming vids.
@@andrelafosse Great, thanks man. I look forward to that. Just last night I was trying again to pull off your windowing technique and failing. Every time I try to Replace a 1/8th section of the cycle Loopler decides to erase the whole cycle and many times Undo just does not bring the loop back. Have to start again from scratch. I’ve watched enough of your EDP videos to know this is something you do with regularity so should be very straightforward. Is this behavior you have noticed in Loopler? Or does it indicate an error in my set up?
@@madmac66 I don't think it's error on your part - quantized replace was pretty buggy in Loopler, when last I checked. I have yet to update to firmware 3.20, so there may be some fixes that have gone on there. (I believe in the second Beebo report video, there's footage of having to set the 8th-quantization value one number higher than what it actually quantizes to...)
But yes: there's a good amount of EDP functionality that either isn't implemented in Loopler yet, or is pretty buggy in its behavior. I've brought these things to Poly's attention, but I also try to be mindful that Loopler is one of many, many modules in Beebo. I'm optimistic, but I'm also not expecting the Beebo to get to the point where it's a 1:1 emulation of all of the EDP's functionality.
With that said, there's already quite a bit of stuff Loopler does (vari-speed, multiple simultaneous loops) that is totally beyond the EDP, so there's a lot I like about it in its current form.
@@andrelafosse Yeah great points. I absolutely loooooove what Beebo does. I’ve had it a few months and it’s endless joy to build and play. I have a DittoX4 that I’ve used for looping but that thing is a toy compared to the EDP and loppers of that nature. It’s great Poly ported over the codebase to Beebo, its a fine attempt and a great addition to an already mammoth suite of modules. Ya see, now I’ve tasted caviar I really don’t want to go back to chopped liver (in terms of looping). The EDP style process is so organic and fun. Anyway, thanks for sharing all you do. It’s been a huge eye opener for me and very enjoyable to go on that journey. Peace, I’ll see ya around.
Many more thank yous! These videos have been paramount to my Beebo understanding
Delighted to hear it! Thanks for tuning in.
Hi! These videos are great. I have a Beebo on the way! I'm still confused a little bit by the VCAs. They just seem like level sliders on a mixer. Is that a good way to think about them?
Sorry I never replied to this! Slipped past me. Yes, that's a good way to describe them, though you've probably long since explored the Beebo. How have you gotten on with it?
Thank you for all these videos about the Loopler! I have an LP-1 and a Blooper for my guitar, now I'm checking for a new looper for my synths. Have you tested the Loopler with midi sync? Do you think that the 14ms latency could be a problem when sync with my other loopers? The Blooper have the same kind of latency and it is hard to use it with percussive sounds sync to a drum machine because of this...
Thanks for tuning in! Unfortunately, I have no experience with using Loopler with MIDI sync. If you're on FB, the Poly User's Group is a really good resource for info: facebook.com/groups/polyeffects
@@andrelafosse Thanks, I'll check it out!
Awesome content, thanks! The million-dollar question though: For someone who wants to get into more experimental looping do you recommend the Beebo/Loopler or the EDP for learning the concepts? Loupé would be in the running but the lack of MIDI and straightforward timestretch turns me off.
I guess I don't really see EDP vs. Loopler as an either/or prospect. The EDP is definitely more fully realized as a pure looper, and some of the deeper EDP functions aren't really accurately emulated in Loopler as of yet. On the other hand, the EDP doesn't do multiple loops, or pitch changes (aside from half/full speed), whereas Loopler does both of those really well. Neither one does dedicated timestretching (unless you count the EDP stutter mode/insert "manual timestretch" move). There's a time stretch module in Beebo, but in my limited experience it's not quite the same thing as a fully-implemented looping timestretch.
If you're on a mac, you could take Sooperlooper for a spin - that's the foundation for Loopler, and it's freeware.
Thanks for tuning in! Sorry I can't give a more definitive answer...
@@andrelafosse Thanks for the well thought-out response! I'll definitely check out Sooperlooper.
Wild! Cool! This video apparently inspires one-to-two-word-long superlative comments! 🙂
Word! Thank you! ;)
Awesome
Love it.
That is something else. What a payoff. Record and remix those sessions.
This thing seems like it can do a lot for the money.....it can even take it right out of my wallet :0