I have known about people that believe their inner voice is god and some variations of that. Like everytime they come to some conclusion or decision it was god. Like they have no sense of self.
@@isixqueenxofxmadnessquestion about your inner voice, do you audibly hear something in your mind or is it strictly a silent thought? I have aphantasia and just learned 0eople actually see stuff in their minds eye, can you really hear your thoughts?
@@stonedsasquatch About the inner voice- yes and no. It's not the same as hearing with your ears. But if I read a book in my head, there's a narrator with an approximation of my own voice reading it "out loud" inside my head. My inner voice does not sound exactly like me most of the time, but that may be because I don't like my actual voice very much. And I can also make the inner voice do impressions of other voices that I'm familiar with, which is useful because then I can give a character in a book an accent, like if they're supposed to be French or whatever.
“When inventing a god, the most important thing is to claim it is invisible, inaudible, and imperceptible in every way. Otherwise people will become skeptical when it appears to no one, is silent and does nothing." -Lindsey Brown
and yet Joe smith did the opposite and grew one of the largest churches ever, in modern times no less. But he did build in the safeguard of "if you are with sin and have the spirit of adultry, then you cannot hear god, he will not appear if you have hardened your heart and are without faith".
@@filthyclown8033 well, except that about half the mormons on record (very different from active mormons) are outside usa because of their strong missionary efforts. A lot of 'converts' in the poor parts of the world.
Argument for Tooth Fairy hiddenness. Argument for Flying Spaghetti Monster hiddenness. Argument for Feargal Burgle Manurgle Burgle hiddenness. And so the list goes on...
@@Pedro-tm6ue Personally, I think that we should have different factions of the FBMB-based religion, based on how we prefer to spell it (with hats!). Because, reasons...
"God is waiting to present himself" is the saddest grappling I can imagine. If I adopt a cat, watch it from a secret hiding place while it struggles to find food and avoid danger, and then spring out as it's approaching death to give it's head a pat, that would make me a piece of human garbage, not it's savior. Same applies to this mystery ghost controlling things from behind the scenes. Really not seeing the love here.
God Hiding? No, God isn't hiding. You're simply not worthy of his presence. You CLEARLY have no idea the majesty of God. You're simply not worthy of our HOLY God's presence, due to your sin. Sin = death & sin separates us from God. Before Adam sinned, God walked w/ him in the Garden. Don't continue to be ignorant. God loves you because you were created in his image. But he's also your Judge. I would say that you fail to understand exactly who God is. His awesome greatness is beyond your comprehension. You're breathing air that doesn't belong to you. Taking up space that doesn't belong to you. Given a life that doesn't belong to you. He brought you from nothing and you're nothing, YET you feel totally justified to raise your tiny stupid fist at him. THAT is what you are; never mind him. That said, Jesus loves you dearly & has shown you this love by bringing you from non-existence & giving you “the gift of life.” And did you say “thank you?” No. He also removed your doom via the sin of Adam by the suffering on the cross for you. And did you say “thank you?” No. He’s also “prepared a place for you in Heaven” if you’ll only return his love that’s already given you. And did you say “thank you?” No. Again, it’s the “love” of Jesus for people is what attracts them to Christianity. Your move, Chief.
@@brantsonoverton1367 Ok. I challenge you by saying "Judiasm rejects Jesus as Messiah. Old Testament clearly Contradicts what Jesus as Messiah. Rabbi is a Great source for Proof." You lose.
@@chaosryans Yes. It restores your soul. Why should one Glory any other than God. I think Job would say, No one's perfect, but God. For We have behold. Through the eyes.
@@codex988 the definition of REASON I used is "think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic," & not "cause, explanation or justification." There is no reasoning by indoctrination.
GB sounds like a nice guy, i hope he takes a long time to think things through. He is polite enough to take an opinion, and most of the time thats enough to start you going
Everything happens according to god's PLAN Christians will say, but when something tragic happens, the Christians will say god gives us "FREE WILL." They constantly move the goalpost.
In the old days the sky was called the heavens. But then it clouded There memories. Sounds like something at work above this skys. Surely man is not perfect. As they say he was. They're altered minds. So we all have theories. Is what messed up the world. This is the reality we all live in. Lol
"I guess we're just using our imagination at this point right?" GB just hit the nail on the head right there. The most true and accurate thing he said in the whole call. Also, this call is a masterclass in how theists dodge and duck around the hard questions.
@@TheTruthKiwi There was no big bang. You actually think that 100 trillion stars, moons, planets, the heat of those stars, 10 million species & the human being were ALL CONTAINED IN A DOT SMALLER THAN A PROTON? & then that dot expanded into EVERYTHING? We need to start there.
@@brantsonoverton1367 Ok, you said you have the answers and you made a claim that there was no big bang. Then you went on to make an argument from ignorance and incredulity. "I don't think the big bang occurred because I don't understand HOW it occurred". Please explain as succinctly as you can the process of the big bang before we can move on.
@@TheTruthKiwi No, I proved there was no big bang via IRREFUTABLE FACTS and we both notice you had no reply and why? Because there isn't one. ALL WE OBSERVE is the expanding universe. To comment on what happened before is not only guessing, but reckless speculation. And the “ignorance” is yours, because it’s clear to everyone in the know that you don’t have a RATIONAL, POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for existence, because there isn’t one and there never will be. THEREFORE, your atheist cult is garbage. That’s why it’s INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. You can’t get answers from lies. And you sit here in silence, because you already know these facts. It's quite pathetic that you still desperately cling to atheist garbage. Creation is true, because there’s no other RATIONAL, POSSIBLE OPTION. God is proved by what’s OBSERVED: You're dying/LOSING INFORMATION/decaying in disorder to an END (heat death)/going ONLY in one direction: bad to worse. And all matter is contiguous and under that same CONSTANT, UNRELENTING, INCREASING entropy and that's why you never see any gain of information (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, star formation, evolution), because NONE OF IT is POSSIBLE. These facts prove that this DYING EFFECT (FINITE NATURE: time/space/matter/energy) requires a NON-DYING CAUSE (INFINITE SUPERNATURAL ETERNAL GOD). Take falling dominoes, as an example. You can't have nothing but just a line of falling dominoes. A prime mover to start the fall is required & it's the same with this FINITE DYING universe. That's why there's no RATIONAL, POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality, because there isn't one and there never will be.
Matt is scary, but I get the feeling where you have a question and nobody can give you an answer even when they all claim they can. Is so frustrating. Man I can't imagine 16 years of that. I was raised without religion in my life and later came to identify as atheist, and because of some difficulties in my life I thought if I had religion in my life it could be good for me, so I have reached out to multiple religious people to find out how do they believe stuff, and it's been a fruitless search. All they say is so cliché and childish, and they don't even realize.
Cliche and childish are partners. Adults think for themselves, whereas children don't yet have the capacity of judgment to reliably think for themselves. Rules, cliches, platitudes are all of a piece.
I think DB is on a good path. He can honestly acknowledge some of his own irrationalities already, which is a massive difference to most theists. He will get there, I wish him luck. Nobody should mentally (or otherwise) suffer over a literal nothing.
This is Micks dad, l still don't get how sociaty accepts the use of silly ancient religious books to swear on in the court room. They would never do so if they had completely read them.
As an atheist, I don’t swear any oaths because they presume a god, and I certainly don’t swear on a bible. You have the option to “affirm” on pain of charge of perjury. This option is also taken by some literalist christians, citing [loosely here] “let your yea be yea and your nay be nay”.
i still don't get how society accepts the use of silly gowns on men with silly wigs on elevated thrones that people are supposed to bow to--er, rise for-- in the courtroom.
“We all do no end of feeling and mistake it for thinking…. It is held in reverence. It settles everything. Some think it is the voice of God.” Mark Twain Found this quote recently in Kurt Andersen’s book “Fantasyland”, and thought it was profound (like many Twain quotes). Andersen’s book is also very good BTW.
@@brantsonoverton1367 And you said you'd address the flaws in your arguments but then you dodge, deflect, and run away every time it's brought up. Does jesus cry when you lie?
@@brantsonoverton1367 was that before Noah became a naked pisshead, who damned a whole branch of his family tree, because his son dared to protect his modesty????
@@sideboob6851 Don't be silly. Noah’s Ark has been proven: Paul Abramson is the flood expert and says there are over 300 legends regarding the flood and over 254 different nations profess the story of the Worldwide Flood.
One of my college buddies was hurt that I never responded to any of his text messages regarding major events in his life. He got a big job, moved to a big city near me, got engaged and had a child. I never once responded to congratulate him, not because I’m a jerk, but because I changed my phone number after college and no one else was using it. He had been sending messages and getting no response because there wasn’t anyone actually receiving them. This is what divine hiddenness boils down to; just one person sending messages to a person who doesn’t exist.
GB we usually do not assume something exists and try to talk about how or why we cannot find it. If we did that then we can always talk about how you owe me a quintillion dollars but have hidden the contract that says so.
😂 It took you *years* to believe you’d talked yourself into believing you have an imaginary friend that actually gives a damn about you and every other evolved primate on this rock orbiting an average star in an average spiral galaxy, one out of possibly two trillion that might exist?
@God's Servant The pink porcupine rode a rainbow-unicorn accross the golden milk see propelled by a pompous pepper blast. I know this because cucumbers shed pickles every three oinkies!
@God's Servant Let me ask you a few questions. Do you have eyeballs in your head? Yes? If you do then you’re not following gods laws. Surely you’ve felt lust so when you did you should have plucked your eyeballs out. Have you worn any clothes with mixed fibers? Yes? Then you’re doomed to eternal damnation. Have you ever eaten shellfish? Yes? Then off to hell you go. I like these laws by your god: If a man has consensual sex with his daughter in law both the man and the woman must be executed. But god was okay with Mr Lot’s daughters raping their daddy two nights in a row. So according to your god it’s ok to non-consensual forcibly rape your father but it’s a death sentence for a man to have consensual sex with a daughter in law. God’s laws also say if a child cusses at his father that child must be put to death. So your god says it’s okay for the Lot daughters to forcibly rape their father but if they cussed at them they must be executed. Do you really believe that nonsense? It’s directly out of the Bible so if you don’t believe it you are not a Christian, or you are saying you’re a Christisn but being hypocritical. How can you worship a ‘god’ that is so unjust and immoral?
@@MovieMakingMan He will answer as soon as the random mumbo jumbo generator device has calculated the most unreasonable concept to combat your question.
Any "god" claims of an interactive personal god who is supposedly "my best friend" and "carrying me through my toughest times" had better do more than send some koolaid drinker to my door once in a while to tell me he/she/it exists. My friends actually interact with me. We get together for dinner and movies, pick up the phone and chat, help with projects around the house, and even play video games together. Someone who is supposedly having this great relationship with me needs to do more than win the only and longest game of hide-and-seek I've ever played with them. Until that time, they are not my friend and are virtually indistinguishable from someone who does not exist to me.
Matt's 2 questions: GB Those are good questions. But rather than answering, could I divert to earlier topics? Oh, but first, Dave, you made a sound there. Is there anything I can get you to say before we even get to my diversion? Oh, but before that, could I just totally bail please? I note: 13 more minutes? Grab a coffee.
I have these really deep, thought provoking, philosophical discussions with my cat. For the most part, he agrees with every thought I have. There's been a few times that, he has come up with something different. After about an hour or two, he persuades me to his point of view. Looking back, I was thinking that too. 🤔 So, my cat it always right and in agreement with me.
I love when Matt is calm and collected like this. I love the show, but don’t love when Matt yells, curses, and gets visibly/verbally frustrated. The calm delivery in this video really adds to the content quality. Love you guys!
That’s why Sam Harris is my favorite. Calm, collected and intelligent. But Hitchens was the one who really solidified my lack of belief and he was intelligent and absolutely hilarious.
@@AdvancedSquadLeader unhinged?? Lol, he gets escalated but it's far from unhinged. Try Alex Jones or any prosperity gospel preacher if you want to see unhinged.
Well God is said to be omniscient so he would know exactly when everyone will die and when to reveal himself. The problem lies further down in the foundational unfoundedness of God.
Was like watching a minnow in a shark tank. Gotta hand it to GB, tho'. He took his lumps pretty well. He's on the fence, it appears. That bit of straight talk might shake him enough to get down on the right side. . .
Adam and Eve didn't get kicked out of the garden, Noah didn't build a boat, and job's wife (is it Lot?) didn't get turned into a pillar of salt just for GB to say humans are of such low value that God doesn't see fit to consort with them. At least he was honest though. That makes him instantly better than like 90% of the theistic callers to this show.
@@dudesayingthings am I familiar with sarcasm you ask? Are you familiar with Tanmay Tikekar??? If so you should already know the answer to your question, see what I did there??😉
Why would God set it up to begin with that his standard is so high that we would die if we saw him??? He supposed ly wants us to worship and serve Him but will "kill" us if we saw His face!!! Yet He is the "best" friend a person could ever have, and is more loyal and loving than any other human being could ever be..... He also constructed Hell and is going to send us there unless we sign on the dotted line, play His game, and worship Him. I was raised with all this for years, and I always questioned it..... At this point in my life at age 45, it no longer makes sense to me.......
None of it makes sense unless you understand that God isn't real and all these claims are being made by random people who believe in it and are trying to cobble together some form of narrative to believe.
didnt he kill two sons ( burn them to a crisp) because they wanted to praise him at the tabernacle and the holy grail,but used the'wrong' fire...?.. wow, that is some tough love ! hahah. guessing most christians dont get beyond quoting or reading John in the bible...should try Genesis 19... sodomy... rape and invest... drunkeness... god killed quite a few people also if sodom and gomorrah existed... leviticus has some 'interesting'"stories also... and revelations? an acid trip surely...
If God exists, he is the cosmic deadbeat dad, who went out for a pack of cigarettes moments after creating the universe and never shows up for anything. Your mother and community tells you how much he loves you, and he's definitely going to respond to all the prayers you send him, and he's definitely going to show up for your birthday one of these years. You've never talked to him or seen him, but you're sure he really definitely loves you. He'll be back from the store with those cigarettes any day now... any day now... you'll see...
I used to "hear from God" a lot. Then I asked, "what does it mean to live by faith?" I stopped DOING (reading the bible, praying, devotions, etc.) Christianity and sought to BE what I thought a Christian should be. It was then that things got very silent. I stopped "hearing from god". I waited. Then after several years and a slide away from Evangelicalism, to Progressive Christianity, to Spiritual but not Religious (what ever that was supposed to be), I found the Atheist Experience. I listened again and actually heard something that made sense. As time went on I learned more about doctrine and the bible, things not taught in Sunday School. It took a while. The whole journey was about 20 years. Mix in coming out as gay, and the bad response I got from believers, did I finally come out again as Atheist. I feel wonderful. Life is good.
A highlight was making a trip from Wis. to Austin to visit at the Freethought Library before the 'lock down'. It looks like I made it just in time. A month later no one went anywhere.
The atheist experience seems to be largely people who are driven by their genitals, which if Supreme Court cases is a measure, must be the way that the secular culture is downward trending. Christians must radically oppose this, as it will lead to God destroying the world. It appears to be too late already as sexual perversion has acquired political rights.
wasnt god spotted at a wendy's recently going incognito in sunglasses and a baseball cap? He would have to be the most famous entity that has managed to avoid the paparazzi for so long.
To all who believe in any God, stop trying to prove to other people whether they believe in a different god or no God that your god is real and the best answer. If it does good in your life just be happy with that. Why is it so important to get everyone else on your team?
Dave is right. God came and revealed himself to St Paul in a dramatic way stopping him from persecuting Christians but doesn't seem to care about all the Christians Matt is leading astray. Imagine how many people Matt could reach if he had a Damascus Rd experience
After all these years of people calling in you'd think they'd have come up with an answer to the questions that we all know he's gonna ask. Just say "I don't know, I just choose to believe it". That's all
Thankfully, no one is required to: obey, enroll, teach, learn, promote, participate, support or fund religion. Thankfully, people are not required to obey religion's: laws, rules, regulations, restrictions, and restraints. Thankfully, I live in the United States of America.
well then your definition of religion is too narrow. is anyone in the usa required to: obey, enroll, teach, learn, promote, participate, support or fund wars, killing, death, incarceration for non-violent ingestion? you're right, by comparison, traditional religion is pretty good. at least they let you say no and walk away.
Sadly, the U.S. Government gave churches a lot of our tax dollars in 2020 so we were required to fund religion that year. Also religion played a direct role in changing the abortion laws in Texas recently as well as place restrictions on minority groups in the country.
@@jdsartre9520 Christopher Hitchens: religion is manmade. Peter Nugent & Michael Atkins: religion harms society. Dr. Michael Shermer: god does not exist. My view: religion is a derivative of narcissism. Religion is a Ponzi scheme.
And thankfully, being in the US where these nutcases live, they can vote and do vote on things and politicians based on their delusional beliefs…yeah, so thankful for that
If god just does not want him to know yet then god wants him to be an atheist and why are callers trying to thwart gods will and convert Matt ? It is not a logical argument to both insist this god wants you to believe and follow him and is not doing the one thing that would make you do that with a reason .
The more this call progresses, the more apparent it becomes the caller is still radically indoctrinated to the point it diminishes his critical thinking capacity. Pathetic.
I'll agree he's still under indoctrination but I wouldn't call him pathetic. This sounds like a person who's on the fence and could be an atheist in the near future
@@brotherga977 He doesn't sound like he's much on the fence to me. More like he's hoping to win over some converts. But yes, glad he's at least open to listening to other points of view.
Kevin Head *God's not hiding* All you have to do is ask God to reveal himself There's no trick to it . Are you saying all these Muslims in Iran that claim they had a vision in a dream are liars ? Are you saying I'm a liar ? *How do you explain that?* You see you guys have God of the Bible confused with the religions man has made up in his name . God excepts no religions . That's what Jesus said . *Do unto others is God's religion* You guys Matt included have no clue who and what the Holy Spirit is . You've hardened your hearts and God may have spoken to you . But after so long he gives you over to the desires of your heart . . *THERE'S even a way to know if someone You persoanlly know has met God*
@@cramerlong2276 You're really bad at this. :D Find another hobby, like eating playdoh, that would fit you perfectly. I have asked for god many times to reveal himself to me and to my dying mother. So either he favors the mentally deprived people, or he simply doesn't exist! :D
@@kevinhead5795 Oh no. Actually I had got over the loss quicker this way. Also, it made me realize to dig deeper into theism, and that led me to being an atheist and taught me to how critical thinking works. In other words, to not to be a moron. :)
"Doing so at this moment could conflict with some other desire God prioritizes more" -- An omnipotent god wouldn't need to prioritize anything. It could accomplish anything and everything it wanted instantly. Which raises the question of why a god who wants everyone to spend eternity with him in Heaven hasn't already made that happen.
"I didn't finish my sentence" You and damn near every other caller with Matt on. I'm tired of him reacting to the first 3 words of a response, let people get at least 2 sentences out. There's no amount of clarification that can't wait 8 seconds, especially when callers are yelled at and muted when they try cut Matt off for legitimate clarification. There's a balance between letting people drone on for 2 straight minutes and jumping in after 3 words. Mats been doing it too long, at this point he's like an AI that just reacts to certain keywords at the exact instant they are spoken.
Because it’s been demonstrated many times that people will bring up too many things to be discussed in a reasonable fashion. The point of the show is to not anyone to preach but to understand flaws in their reasoning.
And then Matt did let him finish. And the caller proved he had nothing further to add. When a caller is meandering around with no focus beside "let's just shoot the breeze" it's Matt's job to cut through the BS and keep the call on track. When the caller has nothing of consequence to say, Matt is allowed to take the little he does say and treat it of significance.
Divine Hiddeness is why these never ending god debates have been going on for thousands of years. Surely the all knowing god who wants to have a relationship with non believers knows this.
Imagine having an imaginary friend that ignores you. That’s really weird.
I have known about people that believe their inner voice is god and some variations of that. Like everytime they come to some conclusion or decision it was god. Like they have no sense of self.
It’s so weird to me also.
That's why I talk back to myself. You gotta be in some sad shape to ignore yourself
@@isixqueenxofxmadnessquestion about your inner voice, do you audibly hear something in your mind or is it strictly a silent thought?
I have aphantasia and just learned 0eople actually see stuff in their minds eye, can you really hear your thoughts?
@@stonedsasquatch About the inner voice- yes and no. It's not the same as hearing with your ears. But if I read a book in my head, there's a narrator with an approximation of my own voice reading it "out loud" inside my head. My inner voice does not sound exactly like me most of the time, but that may be because I don't like my actual voice very much. And I can also make the inner voice do impressions of other voices that I'm familiar with, which is useful because then I can give a character in a book an accent, like if they're supposed to be French or whatever.
“When inventing a god, the most important thing is to claim it is invisible, inaudible, and imperceptible in every way. Otherwise people will become skeptical when it appears to no one, is silent and does nothing." -Lindsey Brown
and yet Joe smith did the opposite and grew one of the largest churches ever, in modern times no less. But he did build in the safeguard of "if you are with sin and have the spirit of adultry, then you cannot hear god, he will not appear if you have hardened your heart and are without faith".
@@jdsartre9520 yeah, but “it appears to no one but me” wasn’t a new trope.
@@jdsartre9520 you won’t find many Mormons outside of that weird place called the USA
@@filthyclown8033 well, except that about half the mormons on record (very different from active mormons) are outside usa because of their strong missionary efforts. A lot of 'converts' in the poor parts of the world.
@@filthyclown8033 weird in that people here have more freedom than anywhere else
Argument for Tooth Fairy hiddenness.
Argument for Flying Spaghetti Monster hiddenness.
Argument for Feargal Burgle Manurgle Burgle hiddenness.
And so the list goes on...
Is that how FBMB is written? I was dying to know 😂
@@Pedro-tm6ue Personally, I think that we should have different factions of the FBMB-based religion, based on how we prefer to spell it (with hats!). Because, reasons...
Argument for logic hiddenness...
@@Pedro-tm6ue no, it’s absolutely not
I thought it was furgle burgle manurgle burgle
"God is waiting to present himself" is the saddest grappling I can imagine. If I adopt a cat, watch it from a secret hiding place while it struggles to find food and avoid danger, and then spring out as it's approaching death to give it's head a pat, that would make me a piece of human garbage, not it's savior. Same applies to this mystery ghost controlling things from behind the scenes. Really not seeing the love here.
God Hiding? No, God isn't hiding. You're simply not worthy of his presence. You CLEARLY have no idea the majesty of God. You're simply not worthy of our HOLY God's presence, due to your sin. Sin = death & sin separates us from God. Before Adam sinned, God walked w/ him in the Garden.
Don't continue to be ignorant. God loves you because you were created in his image. But he's also your Judge. I would say that you fail to understand exactly who God is. His awesome greatness is beyond your comprehension. You're breathing air that doesn't belong to you. Taking up space that doesn't belong to you. Given a life that doesn't belong to you. He brought you from nothing and you're nothing, YET you feel totally justified to raise your tiny stupid fist at him. THAT is what you are; never mind him. That said, Jesus loves you dearly & has shown you this love by bringing you from non-existence & giving you “the gift of life.” And did you say “thank you?” No. He also removed your doom via the sin of Adam by the suffering on the cross for you. And did you say “thank you?” No. He’s also “prepared a place for you in Heaven” if you’ll only return his love that’s already given you. And did you say “thank you?” No. Again, it’s the “love” of Jesus for people is what attracts them to Christianity. Your move, Chief.
@@brantsonoverton1367 That was great satire! A little dry, but keep working on it. Well done!
@@brantsonoverton1367 Ok. I challenge you by saying "Judiasm rejects Jesus as Messiah. Old Testament clearly Contradicts what Jesus as Messiah. Rabbi is a Great source for Proof."
You lose.
@@DJCailler It's not satire, it's known theology.
@@hegyak Sorry, but your atheist opinions are less-than-worthless. Don't contact me again unless you have scriptural proof.
A God that doesn't interact with His creation is indistinguishable from a God that doesn't exist.
Facts!
He’s a deadbeat creator
Give up chief. You lost your feathers. Lol
Created in his image: immaterial, and timeless. Thats how i like to be 🤣
@@chaosryans Yes. It restores your soul. Why should one Glory any other than God. I think Job would say, No one's perfect, but God. For We have behold. Through the eyes.
I love it when someone comes on just wanting to casually "shoot the breeze" and Matt does a savage takedown asking "WHY?!?!"
God is intentionally hiding or doesn't exist. Either way, one has no reason to believe.
Yes, no reason, but the fear lashed into us in childhood suffices as a substitue for reason. I would trade out my brain if I could.
@@emordnilaps it is a process. Stay strong.
Yes we do have reason to believe, it's called 'indoctrination'.
@@codex988 the definition of REASON I used is "think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic," & not "cause, explanation or justification." There is no reasoning by indoctrination.
@@arthurunknown8972 it was meant to be a dark joke
These callers think they’re gonna nail an argument, see a big flash of light, and Matt will start crying with repentance.
The need to worship something and willingness to submit to a master is so strong, you have to make one up. Unlimited insecurity. Sad way to live.
Technology really has come a long way. We've even got stealth gods now.
GB sounds like a nice guy, i hope he takes a long time to think things through. He is polite enough to take an opinion, and most of the time thats enough to start you going
Devine hiddeness. Otherwise known as 'imagination'
I am NOT hidden! I'm oot & aboot!
@@TheJMPD chuckle
😆😅
Without the imagination science wouldn't exist
Otherwise known as: "doesn't exist"
Everything happens according to god's PLAN Christians will say, but when something tragic happens, the Christians will say god gives us "FREE WILL." They constantly move the goalpost.
Not to mention, God knows exactly what we will choose to do in advance, but we somehow still have the freewill to choose to do otherwise
That’s always been my point to people. Free will and divine plan are incomparable.
@@DanDan-eh7ul doesn't that make us more powerful than God? 🤔
You got that right.
"Everything happens to God's plan."
*something bad happens*
"It's a miracle I wasn't killed! Praise God!"
A Catfish: I love you, send me money
The Church: God loves you, send us money
Godfish
Aka goldfish
Every theist: MY invisible sky-daddy is the one true one. All others are false.
LOL
In the old days the sky was called the heavens. But then it clouded There memories. Sounds like something at work above this skys. Surely man is not perfect. As they say he was. They're altered minds. So we all have theories. Is what messed up the world. This is the reality we all live in. Lol
@@garlandgarrett9806 teported for spam
@@ookeekthelibrarian I am pretty sure he uses the theist mumbo jumbo generator.
@@ookeekthelibrarian I like turtles they carry there own house. And live long. Probably old as your dinosaurs. Lol
Sky Daddy ?
That was for u
But chrstian god is wasn't sky daddy .
Dude this isn't the show to just chit chat and speculate like we're in the garage ripping bong tokes.
Divine hiddenness has a better description -- imaginary sky fairy
"I guess we're just using our imagination at this point right?"
GB just hit the nail on the head right there. The most true and accurate thing he said in the whole call. Also, this call is a masterclass in how theists dodge and duck around the hard questions.
There are no hard questions. I have all the important answers or I wouldn't be here.
@@brantsonoverton1367 Ok, cool. So how exactly do you know what existed prior to the Big Bang?
@@TheTruthKiwi There was no big bang. You actually think that 100 trillion stars, moons, planets, the heat of those stars, 10 million species & the human being were ALL CONTAINED IN A DOT SMALLER THAN A PROTON? & then that dot expanded into EVERYTHING? We need to start there.
@@brantsonoverton1367 Ok, you said you have the answers and you made a claim that there was no big bang. Then you went on to make an argument from ignorance and incredulity. "I don't think the big bang occurred because I don't understand HOW it occurred".
Please explain as succinctly as you can the process of the big bang before we can move on.
@@TheTruthKiwi No, I proved there was no big bang via IRREFUTABLE FACTS and we both notice you had no reply and why? Because there isn't one. ALL WE OBSERVE is the expanding universe. To comment on what happened before is not only guessing, but reckless speculation.
And the “ignorance” is yours, because it’s clear to everyone in the know that you don’t have a RATIONAL, POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for existence, because there isn’t one and there never will be. THEREFORE, your atheist cult is garbage. That’s why it’s INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. You can’t get answers from lies. And you sit here in silence, because you already know these facts. It's quite pathetic that you still desperately cling to atheist garbage. Creation is true, because there’s no other RATIONAL, POSSIBLE OPTION.
God is proved by what’s OBSERVED: You're dying/LOSING INFORMATION/decaying in disorder to an END (heat death)/going ONLY in one direction: bad to worse. And all matter is contiguous and under that same CONSTANT, UNRELENTING, INCREASING entropy and that's why you never see any gain of information (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, star formation, evolution), because NONE OF IT is POSSIBLE. These facts prove that this DYING EFFECT (FINITE NATURE: time/space/matter/energy) requires a NON-DYING CAUSE (INFINITE SUPERNATURAL ETERNAL GOD).
Take falling dominoes, as an example. You can't have nothing but just a line of falling dominoes. A prime mover to start the fall is required & it's the same with this FINITE DYING universe. That's why there's no RATIONAL, POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality, because there isn't one and there never will be.
Matt is scary, but I get the feeling where you have a question and nobody can give you an answer even when they all claim they can. Is so frustrating. Man I can't imagine 16 years of that.
I was raised without religion in my life and later came to identify as atheist, and because of some difficulties in my life I thought if I had religion in my life it could be good for me, so I have reached out to multiple religious people to find out how do they believe stuff, and it's been a fruitless search. All they say is so cliché and childish, and they don't even realize.
Cliche and childish are partners. Adults think for themselves, whereas children don't yet have the capacity of judgment to reliably think for themselves. Rules, cliches, platitudes are all of a piece.
No
13:35 "Is it the peice of paper?"
😅😂🤣😂😅
I have a feeling GB won’t be calling back. Seemed like he wanted to get out of the hot seat once the tough questions started.
Argument for “Divine Hiddenness”
There’s no evidence of a god anyone can demonstrate in reality so the answer must be that it’s hiding.
Or that it doesn't exist
@@ksdogg *yawns* same debunked BS as everytime, reported for spam, as always
@UCFcaP1FYSX2H1yBWnBSpvCg reported for spam, as always, Neppy. Thanks for further helping the rise of atheism and the downfall of theism 👍
I used to have an imaginary friend, but he died in an imaginary car accident.
I imagine I'm sorry to hear that
Theists have to twist themselves into so many knots to make their god exist.
I think DB is on a good path. He can honestly acknowledge some of his own irrationalities already, which is a massive difference to most theists. He will get there, I wish him luck. Nobody should mentally (or otherwise) suffer over a literal nothing.
It is so sad when someone shows up to a gunfight, without a weapon....
It's sad when someone shows up to a gunfight.
People who seek out gunfights...should have more than finger guns.
Pew pew.
People have relationships with people who don't respond to them. It's called stalking and may land you in jail.
I'm going to get a restraining order against God.
@@dx1450 You should. He's supposedly watching you taking showers and whatnot.
@@thepaulwalkerexperience8727 I bet he even watches me having sex.
This is Micks dad, l still don't get how sociaty accepts the use of silly ancient religious books to swear on in the court room. They would never do so if they had completely read them.
As an atheist, I don’t swear any oaths because they presume a god, and I certainly don’t swear on a bible. You have the option to “affirm” on pain of charge of perjury. This option is also taken by some literalist christians, citing [loosely here] “let your yea be yea and your nay be nay”.
i still don't get how society accepts the use of silly gowns on men with silly wigs on elevated thrones that people are supposed to bow to--er, rise for-- in the courtroom.
Who's Mick?
@@MrNateSPF Ask Keith.
@@MrNateSPF Mick is an evangelical alpha atheist and freedom of thought proponent, striving for truth justice and reason.
“I don’t want to offend anybody”
The call hadn’t even escalated yet lol
"How many things do you believe in that u can't prove?"
Lol
This was brutal. Almost felt bad for GB.
16:10 onwards - there we have it folks - game over 😂
“Divine hidden-ness” is hilariously desperate.
😂yes it is. The absolute saddest.
Seriously the WORST phonecall I've heard 😂😂. Caller : let's talk about absolutely nothing 😂😂
“We all do no end of feeling and mistake it for thinking…. It is held in reverence. It settles everything. Some think it is the voice of God.” Mark Twain
Found this quote recently in Kurt Andersen’s book “Fantasyland”, and thought it was profound (like many Twain quotes). Andersen’s book is also very good BTW.
The last seconds of this call are the defining moments - even theists laugh at the idea of God literally telling them anything.
That's cap, it's all in the mind. That's one of the main reasons why I don't believe in prophecy.
But for the ones who do, why is it that God always tells them exactly what they want to hear?
@@dx1450 again, they be lying about that shit cuz they wanna feel good. Never trust a man who claims God spoke to them.
God's had billions of years.... I'm beginning to suspect he's not coming.
They said the same thing to Noah about the flood.
@@brantsonoverton1367 And you said you'd address the flaws in your arguments but then you dodge, deflect, and run away every time it's brought up. Does jesus cry when you lie?
@@brantsonoverton1367 was that before Noah became a naked pisshead, who damned a whole branch of his family tree, because his son dared to protect his modesty????
@@sideboob6851 Don't be silly. Noah’s Ark has been proven: Paul Abramson is the flood expert and says there are over 300 legends regarding the flood and over 254 different nations profess the story of the Worldwide Flood.
@@brantsonoverton1367 *Noah’s Ark has been proven*
The only thing you've proven is how dishonest and willfully ignorant you are.
One of my college buddies was hurt that I never responded to any of his text messages regarding major events in his life. He got a big job, moved to a big city near me, got engaged and had a child. I never once responded to congratulate him, not because I’m a jerk, but because I changed my phone number after college and no one else was using it. He had been sending messages and getting no response because there wasn’t anyone actually receiving them. This is what divine hiddenness boils down to; just one person sending messages to a person who doesn’t exist.
GB we usually do not assume something exists and try to talk about how or why we cannot find it. If we did that then we can always talk about how you owe me a quintillion dollars but have hidden the contract that says so.
Exactly
Matt nailed it, the two shattering questions to ask with a believer are, "does god revealed himself to you?" and "how?"...
😂 It took you *years* to believe you’d talked yourself into believing you have an imaginary friend that actually gives a damn about you and every other evolved primate on this rock orbiting an average star in an average spiral galaxy, one out of possibly two trillion that might exist?
@God's Servant Oh good, more cryptic bullshite.
@God's Servant The pink porcupine rode a rainbow-unicorn accross the golden milk see propelled by a pompous pepper blast. I know this because cucumbers shed pickles every three oinkies!
@God's Servant Let me ask you a few questions. Do you have eyeballs in your head? Yes? If you do then you’re not following gods laws. Surely you’ve felt lust so when you did you should have plucked your eyeballs out.
Have you worn any clothes with mixed fibers? Yes? Then you’re doomed to eternal damnation.
Have you ever eaten shellfish? Yes? Then off to hell you go.
I like these laws by your god:
If a man has consensual sex with his daughter in law both the man and the woman must be executed.
But god was okay with Mr Lot’s daughters raping their daddy two nights in a row. So according to your god it’s ok to non-consensual forcibly rape your father but it’s a death sentence for a man to have consensual sex with a daughter in law.
God’s laws also say if a child cusses at his father that child must be put to death. So your god says it’s okay for the Lot daughters to forcibly rape their father but if they cussed at them they must be executed. Do you really believe that nonsense? It’s directly out of the Bible so if you don’t believe it you are not a Christian, or you are saying you’re a Christisn but being hypocritical.
How can you worship a ‘god’ that is so unjust and immoral?
@@MovieMakingMan He will answer as soon as the random mumbo jumbo generator device has calculated the most unreasonable concept to combat your question.
Any "god" claims of an interactive personal god who is supposedly "my best friend" and "carrying me through my toughest times" had better do more than send some koolaid drinker to my door once in a while to tell me he/she/it exists. My friends actually interact with me. We get together for dinner and movies, pick up the phone and chat, help with projects around the house, and even play video games together. Someone who is supposedly having this great relationship with me needs to do more than win the only and longest game of hide-and-seek I've ever played with them. Until that time, they are not my friend and are virtually indistinguishable from someone who does not exist to me.
Matt's 2 questions:
GB Those are good questions. But rather than answering, could I divert to earlier topics?
Oh, but first, Dave, you made a sound there. Is there anything I can get you to say before we even get to my diversion?
Oh, but before that, could I just totally bail please?
I note: 13 more minutes? Grab a coffee.
Apparently God showed up 2000 years ago and nobody recognised him. He should have worn a big hat or something.
I have these really deep, thought provoking, philosophical discussions with my cat. For the most part, he agrees with every thought I have. There's been a few times that, he has come up with something different. After about an hour or two, he persuades me to his point of view. Looking back, I was thinking that too. 🤔 So, my cat it always right and in agreement with me.
That's not fair I have 3 cats They are God's at least that's what the tell me.
I love when Matt is calm and collected like this. I love the show, but don’t love when Matt yells, curses, and gets visibly/verbally frustrated. The calm delivery in this video really adds to the content quality. Love you guys!
I like a good mix of Matt. Sometimes theists need to hear Matt lose his shit. Very entertaining too.
That’s why Sam Harris is my favorite. Calm, collected and intelligent. But Hitchens was the one who really solidified my lack of belief and he was intelligent and absolutely hilarious.
I agree. I think Matt has gotten more unhinged lately. Don't like it either when I don't think it's justified.
@@AdvancedSquadLeader unhinged?? Lol, he gets escalated but it's far from unhinged. Try Alex Jones or any prosperity gospel preacher if you want to see unhinged.
@@jdtown6585 I agree. Unhinged is the wrong word. I retract it.
I still can't believe it's not butter.
Zat you Fabio?
if god doesnt want to reveal himself yet surely he runs the risk of his subject dieing before being reconsciled to him
Well God is said to be omniscient so he would know exactly when everyone will die and when to reveal himself. The problem lies further down in the foundational unfoundedness of God.
GB probably hung up and convinced himself that satan was working through Matt and Dave and tried to test his unwavering faith to GAWD lol
Like most thiests
I'm pretty sure the sock fairy is real, if it's not, then where the hell are all my socks?!
He's literally agreeing to believing in an imaginary friend and he doesn't see a problem with that....
Amazing
God makes his own value really high and makes ours low just so we can’t detect him when he wants us to detect him? Cool story.
“Just this one” was hilarious lol
How are gods useful? What do they contribute? Zero
Perhaps a reason to go suicide bombing
To keep the plebs in line
So the people will be obedient to their government
I haven't seen Zues and I assume he's hiding from his wife.
Haha
Zues
Is He man or woman you don't know .
Zeus..
@@mikebailey1226 thanks
I like Dave's comments, that's hard next to Matt
Was like watching a minnow in a shark tank. Gotta hand it to GB, tho'. He took his lumps pretty well. He's on the fence, it appears. That bit of straight talk might shake him enough to get down on the right side. . .
He's protected by layers of complacency and certainty (like emotional bubblewrap) which makes him intelligence proof...
@@johnd.shultz7423 Yup, but like a thick bubble wrap if you keep ripping you do eventually get through. But it can be frustrating.
This guy literally tried to come on and be a co-host reading chat
Hidden God = NO GOD
Matt makes his demolitions very effortless.
Adam and Eve didn't get kicked out of the garden, Noah didn't build a boat, and job's wife (is it Lot?) didn't get turned into a pillar of salt just for GB to say humans are of such low value that God doesn't see fit to consort with them.
At least he was honest though. That makes him instantly better than like 90% of the theistic callers to this show.
Are you familiar with symbolism and allegory?
@@paradoxeefinity4595 are you familiar with sarcasm?
@@dudesayingthings am I familiar with sarcasm you ask? Are you familiar with Tanmay Tikekar??? If so you should already know the answer to your question, see what I did there??😉
There were Adam and Eve.
Why would God set it up to begin with that his standard is so high that we would die if we saw him???
He supposed ly wants us to worship and serve Him but will "kill" us if we saw His face!!! Yet He is the "best" friend a person could ever have, and is more loyal and loving than any other human being could ever be..... He also constructed Hell and is going to send us there unless we sign on the dotted line, play His game, and worship Him.
I was raised with all this for years, and I always questioned it.....
At this point in my life at age 45, it no longer makes sense to me.......
None of it makes sense unless you understand that God isn't real and all these claims are being made by random people who believe in it and are trying to cobble together some form of narrative to believe.
didnt he kill two sons ( burn them to a crisp) because they wanted to praise him at the tabernacle and the holy grail,but used the'wrong' fire...?.. wow, that is some tough love ! hahah. guessing most christians dont get beyond quoting or reading John in the bible...should try Genesis 19... sodomy... rape and invest... drunkeness... god killed quite a few people also if sodom and gomorrah existed... leviticus has some 'interesting'"stories also... and revelations? an acid trip surely...
Wow. GB's belief is as unfounded as any I've heard of.
16:01 "Just this one." OMG, that was hilarious.
seems to be more a case of divine hideousness.
If God exists, he is the cosmic deadbeat dad, who went out for a pack of cigarettes moments after creating the universe and never shows up for anything.
Your mother and community tells you how much he loves you, and he's definitely going to respond to all the prayers you send him, and he's definitely going to show up for your birthday one of these years. You've never talked to him or seen him, but you're sure he really definitely loves you. He'll be back from the store with those cigarettes any day now... any day now... you'll see...
Such a good God.. Inspired instructions for owning and beating slaves.
I used to "hear from God" a lot. Then I asked, "what does it mean to live by faith?" I stopped DOING (reading the bible, praying, devotions, etc.) Christianity and sought to BE what I thought a Christian should be. It was then that things got very silent. I stopped "hearing from god". I waited. Then after several years and a slide away from Evangelicalism, to Progressive Christianity, to Spiritual but not Religious (what ever that was supposed to be), I found the Atheist Experience. I listened again and actually heard something that made sense. As time went on I learned more about doctrine and the bible, things not taught in Sunday School. It took a while. The whole journey was about 20 years. Mix in coming out as gay, and the bad response I got from believers, did I finally come out again as Atheist. I feel wonderful. Life is good.
A highlight was making a trip from Wis. to Austin to visit at the Freethought Library before the 'lock down'. It looks like I made it just in time. A month later no one went anywhere.
The atheist experience seems to be largely people who are driven by their genitals, which if Supreme Court cases is a measure, must be the way that the secular culture is downward trending. Christians must radically oppose this, as it will lead to God destroying the world. It appears to be too late already as sexual perversion has acquired political rights.
The answer to the why is always has to do is feelings.
wasnt god spotted at a wendy's recently going incognito in sunglasses and a baseball cap? He would have to be the most famous entity that has managed to avoid the paparazzi for so long.
That was Kanye West
Also a deity apparently
“Immmmaaaaagination”- Spongebob
To all who believe in any God, stop trying to prove to other people whether they believe in a different god or no God that your god is real and the best answer. If it does good in your life just be happy with that. Why is it so important to get everyone else on your team?
To me nature and the universe look exactly as if there is no God.
Excellent episode.
circular reasoning is rampant in society.
Yep it's been going around for thousands of years
I lije Dave's comments. I tgibk he summarises well the point at hand and often asks questuons that gelp in tge conversation. Good work Dave.
Logically, those who argue for their god's "divine hiddenness" could not know it exists in the first place, to be able to claim it is hiding.
Just like the same people who claim that no man knows the mind of God also tell you exactly what God likes and doesn't like.
@@dx1450 Absolutely, and they even know when he is moving in mysterious ways.
True, god would have to be spectacularly bad at hiding.
When the two hosts say your name in unison, you done goofed
Hehehehehe, so true. XD
Dave is right. God came and revealed himself to St Paul in a dramatic way stopping him from persecuting Christians but doesn't seem to care about all the Christians Matt is leading astray. Imagine how many people Matt could reach if he had a Damascus Rd experience
After all these years of people calling in you'd think they'd have come up with an answer to the questions that we all know he's gonna ask. Just say "I don't know, I just choose to believe it". That's all
God both wants us to know and doesn't want us to know that He exists. This is why Quantum Mechanics exists. LOL. 🤣
God is on the other side of the double slit experiment?
@@kenbee1957 Yes. I know this because I talk to God on a regular basis...🤣
Great topic and great conversation.
Thankfully, no one is required to: obey, enroll, teach, learn, promote, participate, support or fund religion.
Thankfully, people are not required to obey religion's: laws, rules, regulations, restrictions, and restraints.
Thankfully, I live in the United States of America.
well then your definition of religion is too narrow.
is anyone in the usa required to: obey, enroll, teach, learn, promote, participate, support or fund wars, killing, death, incarceration for non-violent ingestion?
you're right, by comparison, traditional religion is pretty good. at least they let you say no and walk away.
Sadly, the U.S. Government gave churches a lot of our tax dollars in 2020 so we were required to fund religion that year. Also religion played a direct role in changing the abortion laws in Texas recently as well as place restrictions on minority groups in the country.
@@jdsartre9520 Christopher Hitchens: religion is manmade. Peter Nugent & Michael Atkins: religion harms society. Dr. Michael Shermer: god does not exist. My view: religion is a derivative of narcissism. Religion is a Ponzi scheme.
And thankfully, being in the US where these nutcases live, they can vote and do vote on things and politicians based on their delusional beliefs…yeah, so thankful for that
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GB is engaging in fan fiction
If god just does not want him to know yet then god wants him to be an atheist and why are callers trying to thwart gods will and convert Matt ?
It is not a logical argument to both insist this god wants you to believe and follow him and is not doing the one thing that would make you do that with a reason .
The more this call progresses, the more apparent it becomes the caller is still radically indoctrinated to the point it diminishes his critical thinking capacity. Pathetic.
I'll agree he's still under indoctrination but I wouldn't call him pathetic. This sounds like a person who's on the fence and could be an atheist in the near future
@@brotherga977 He doesn't sound like he's much on the fence to me. More like he's hoping to win over some converts. But yes, glad he's at least open to listening to other points of view.
@@jdtown6585 It could be either way. I think he was at the very least questioning. But yea he did seem to be special pleading
That was a great episode guys.
Based on the caller's input, the reason why Matt can't see god is because Matt is incapable of seeing him.
Also God apparently can't stand sharing a space with Matt (despite being omnipresent)
....so he hides
@@kenbee1957 Nothing in the caller's statements implied that.
@@kenbee1957 Nothing in the caller's statements implied that.
@@homfes
No?
It's like God's lawyer standing in front of the judge and God does a no show!!! Dennis Denuto comes to mind... "You're Honour....it's the vibe"
Matt has said this before: The prosecutor would tell god's defense attorney, "Produce the defendant!".
And while this god is hiding ,he is sending peoole to hell for not thinking he exists, wow
Kevin Head *God's not hiding* All you have to do is ask God to reveal himself There's no trick to it . Are you saying all these Muslims in Iran that claim they had a vision in a dream are liars ? Are you saying I'm a liar ? *How do you explain that?* You see you guys have God of the Bible confused with the religions man has made up in his name . God excepts no religions . That's what Jesus said . *Do unto others is God's religion* You guys Matt included have no clue who and what the Holy Spirit is . You've hardened your hearts and God may have spoken to you . But after so long he gives you over to the desires of your heart . .
*THERE'S even a way to know if someone You persoanlly know has met God*
@@cramerlong2276 You're really bad at this. :D
Find another hobby, like eating playdoh, that would fit you perfectly.
I have asked for god many times to reveal himself to me and to my dying mother.
So either he favors the mentally deprived people, or he simply doesn't exist! :D
@@jhonvoyage2564 isn't it sad 😢,
@@cramerlong2276 don't do the whole you know me ,I'm not the genocide gawd who hates his own creation,
@@kevinhead5795 Oh no.
Actually I had got over the loss quicker this way.
Also, it made me realize to dig deeper into theism, and that led me to being an atheist and taught me to how critical thinking works.
In other words, to not to be a moron. :)
"Doing so at this moment could conflict with some other desire God prioritizes more" -- An omnipotent god wouldn't need to prioritize anything. It could accomplish anything and everything it wanted instantly. Which raises the question of why a god who wants everyone to spend eternity with him in Heaven hasn't already made that happen.
13:13 Matt goes with his example, simple one.
What comes from the other side it's hilarious.
Darth Vader has revealed personally to me through Star Wars movies
What is our opinion of men who have children and abandon them?
What do you mean by "our" and why is the question relevant?
Yeah, there’s only one Gary king!
If you don't know your opinion, how should anyone else?
Useless Deadbeats. Same as the deadbeat creator, except we can prove everyone has a biological dad even if he’s not around
Reviled him self when he came in to the rest room.
"I didn't finish my sentence"
You and damn near every other caller with Matt on. I'm tired of him reacting to the first 3 words of a response, let people get at least 2 sentences out. There's no amount of clarification that can't wait 8 seconds, especially when callers are yelled at and muted when they try cut Matt off for legitimate clarification. There's a balance between letting people drone on for 2 straight minutes and jumping in after 3 words. Mats been doing it too long, at this point he's like an AI that just reacts to certain keywords at the exact instant they are spoken.
Because it’s been demonstrated many times that people will bring up too many things to be discussed in a reasonable fashion. The point of the show is to not anyone to preach but to understand flaws in their reasoning.
@@maxmiller7122 yet, it is basic respect to let the other people finish, at least while it is nit bad faith.
And then Matt did let him finish. And the caller proved he had nothing further to add.
When a caller is meandering around with no focus beside "let's just shoot the breeze" it's Matt's job to cut through the BS and keep the call on track.
When the caller has nothing of consequence to say, Matt is allowed to take the little he does say and treat it of significance.
When they literally start their arguments with assumptions and fallacies why let them finish preaching? Is just a waste of time at that point
Ah yes... Mysterious ways... covers all your bases
Anyone who is familiar with his work would know Divine was not hidden. He was out and proud.
caller self-trapped in a prison he built himself.
Jesus fricking Christ is once again the hide and go seek champion of the world at 2000 years and counting. Give me a fucking break!
Divine Hiddeness is why these never ending god debates have been going on for thousands of years.
Surely the all knowing god who wants to have a relationship with non believers
knows this.