The trigger that ships installed in the rifle is a U.S. made part for 922r, the trigger in the box is Polish made so the end user can set it back to factory correct.
@bozo572 thanks for letting me know, I probably should have looked at the manual lol. I just didn't want to waste too much time during the video...I have a tendency to do that.
I just got the underfolder version of this w/16in barrel and I'm very happy with it. Build quality seems great, finish looks great. Mine came with all the same accessories you mentioned but for some reason also came with a PPS-43 sling.
Pioneer stated that Atlantic Firearms bought all of their remaining stock a few months ago. Love my 20 inch , and still have a spare club foot stock for those.
I've had a regular 16 inch Pioneer arms sporter for about 18 months and I've place some rounds through it with no issues. The mag well is fairly tight, so I have mostly stuck with picking up Polish polymer magazines for it. I also bought the optic mount for it and I have a red dot on it as well.
@DesertMav cool, yeah honestly I think they're decent for the price and likely just fine for a few thousand rounds. Would I take one into combat....probably not, there are better options, but of course, at a higher price point.
I had a similar magazine fitment issue with a Zastava AK. It wasn't the mag opening in the receiver. On the left side just inside the mag well there was a rivet that stuck out a tiny bit too far and some magazines were getting hung up on it. I simply filed off the end of the rivet and then all my magazines fit fine.
When I left Vietnam in 1970 they had a pile of sms firearms stacked and were free for any one wanting one. During ahe early 70`s you could buy them at gun stores for less than 20 and could. Buy Ak47 for less than 200 with full auto removed. Hearing them fire single for I never flinched but once they went full auto I was in a hole even if I had to dig it with my hands. Scary stuff.
I have heard their 7.62x39’s have a better reputation than 5.56’s so hopefully you have better luck with yours than I did with mine! One difference that’s already clear is that spare firing pin appears to be the more standard design with the rectangular profile rather than the rounded kind found in the 5.56., so hopefully not as prone to breakage but at least you might have more in the way of quality replacement options moving forward.
For those who dont know, these are made in a civilian factory in Poland. They are NOT made at the legendary circle 11 military factory. I personally would rather buy a WBP made ak as the quality is much higher and they have a much longer history/reputation
VSO Channel reports that Pioneer just closed down its' company. PLEASE do some follow-ups. I 've never seen an AK in real life until a week ago when I got my Pioneer Hellpup 11.7". I NEED INFO. When cocked the first trigger pull seems nice. Then when reset and pulled it is very lite, like maybe too lite. Great video. RockOn.StayFree.
It looks like your receiver is bent because , in my opinion, maybe when they stamped in the dent for the mag well receiver support, it’s a little crooked on the left side and that might have bent the receiver down ?
I have a 20 inch Saiga barreled Rifle. With a one in 10 twist rate these specific rifles in the Video would give nearly a full two rotation twists to the bullets, so it will be interesting to check accuracy with various ammo types. Have never actually compared the accuracy on my own Saiga 20 inch barreled AK, however that is in the near future.
@@donald2665sounds like a interesting comparison. I was just looking at a Riley Ak , i dont know much about them , i like the 19.25 in , barrel and a 308 Winchester. Might be a good base for a customized DMR . At under 1300 dollars not a terrible deal .
@@justinjones9042 The Riley Defense AK Line, at Atlantic, caught my attention over the last day or so, for it is more extensive than I had given thought to, and several of their rifles and Krinks / Pistols were very interesting to myself. Out of the Pioneer Line, AIM Surplus has the 20 inch barrel model, for $699 and Atlantic has several of the Forged series AK's - the Grom Tactical, and the 7 inch Pistol AK with Pic rail hand guard and pic rail for attachment of brace or folder type to the pic rail, which are of interest for my self also. The video on the Pioneer 20 inch AK brought out something of detail interest for myself, and that is the use of the large stem bolt in that Rifle. The Bulgarian Large Stem Bolts likely would be compatible. The Saiga Rifles use the slim stem Bolts derived from the re-design to the 5.45X39 by the Russians, and the Receivers of all the common cartridge Saiga Receivers are all AK-74 receivers. I have the 2nd Saiga in 5.56X45 in the US, and it was converted by DGS Manufacturing, Ft Myers FL decades ago, from 7.62X39 to 5.56X45 and uses Galil Mags in that caliber. I agree that AK's in .308 are awesome, and their use in a DMR AK is logical for sure.
@@justinjones9042 I did type out a reply to you, but it was apparently removed or Censored, as it is not in this reply stream so I will type out an abbreviated reply. Another thing I noticed in the Video is that the Bolt utilized on these Pioneer 7.62X39 Rifles is a Large Stem Bolt instead of the narrow Stem Bolts utilized in the Saiga common Caliber Rifles (7.62X39; 5.56; and 5.45X39 ) so a standard Large Stem Bolt (Bulgarian or Russian) could likely be made to work in that Rifle with proper Go Check on Headspace. As you are interested in tinkering with gun smithing, another thing to keep in mind is that the standard Saiga Rifles in the calibers I mentioned above are built using AK-74 Receivers, not AKM Receivers. One can take the 7.62X39 rifles and replace the Barrel with a 5.56 - 0r 5.45 Barrel and tweek the rifle to take specific 5.56 mags such as the Bulgarian, or Galil. I own a Saiga in 5.56, that began Life as a 7.62X39 Rifle, and was converted totally to accept standard furniture and Galil Magazines. Just some food for thought.
Nice , I live in a magazine restricted state totally ridiculous especially when I can head to Pennsylvania and get the 30 round Magazine's Legally because I purchased them out of state .🤔
@drcovell Maryland, Baltimore, is one of the most dangerous violent cities in the United States in a state with one of the strictest gun laws that literally volatile's the Constitution.
I bought one about 20 years ago it was from Romania and called a SAR1 it was new but rough the wood on mine was awful seen better wood come from a weed. Paid around 400. Had it for a few years and sold it for 700.
Blem is short for blemish, very slight marks or imperfections that non-blem (factory perfect) dont have out of the box, typically anything marked blemished is cheaper to varying degrees based on visual damage, and not functional damage, as those typically aren't sold
Are you part woman? You showed the box but kept talking or gabbing I guess to increase you time for content. Simple, here is the box, open it , show the rifle. Done!
Instead of guessing if we can see the whole image, why not do a trial run first? You sound ridiculous. Also, until around 8 minutes in l thought 'blem' was a model or company name. It sounds vaguely Polish. I didn't know you were talking about a 'blemish'. You might want to define terms for us newbies.
The trigger that ships installed in the rifle is a U.S. made part for 922r, the trigger in the box is Polish made so the end user can set it back to factory correct.
Exactly what I was going to say.
“I don’t know why this is in here, I don’t”
*Immediately proceeds to toss the owner’s manual aside*
@bozo572 thanks for letting me know, I probably should have looked at the manual lol. I just didn't want to waste too much time during the video...I have a tendency to do that.
@@drollyankee42069 🤣
@@drollyankee42069 my manual doesn't say anything about the spare parts included with it
I just got the underfolder version of this w/16in barrel and I'm very happy with it. Build quality seems great, finish looks great. Mine came with all the same accessories you mentioned but for some reason also came with a PPS-43 sling.
@farklestaxbaum4945 interesting, thanks for sharing...maybe the sling was by mistake?
Pioneer stated that Atlantic Firearms bought all of their remaining stock a few months ago. Love my 20 inch , and still have a spare club foot stock for those.
I've had a regular 16 inch Pioneer arms sporter for about 18 months and I've place some rounds through it with no issues. The mag well is fairly tight, so I have mostly stuck with picking up Polish polymer magazines for it. I also bought the optic mount for it and I have a red dot on it as well.
@DesertMav cool, yeah honestly I think they're decent for the price and likely just fine for a few thousand rounds. Would I take one into combat....probably not, there are better options, but of course, at a higher price point.
I had a similar magazine fitment issue with a Zastava AK. It wasn't the mag opening in the receiver. On the left side just inside the mag well there was a rivet that stuck out a tiny bit too far and some magazines were getting hung up on it. I simply filed off the end of the rivet and then all my magazines fit fine.
@@eosjoe565 sweet, thanks for that info, I'll certainly take a look at it!
Pioneer Arms went out of business a few days ago.
@erickid5493 yeah, it's certainly looking that way...
ALG trigger maybe?
@warrenharrison9490 that might be a good idea.
Whaaaaa hahahhahahhahah o that's rich
I bought one of the last ones at Classic Firearms, on sale for $449. Non blem and forged trunnion model.
Good you grabbed one only 200 were made glad I got mine
@isaiahcooper3038 very interesting, I wasn't aware of that...Aim Surplus actually has one in stock right now.
@ yup it’s around 80-90 left
When I left Vietnam in 1970 they had a pile of sms firearms stacked and were free for any one wanting one. During ahe early 70`s you could buy them at gun stores for less than 20 and could. Buy Ak47 for less than 200 with full auto removed. Hearing them fire single for I never flinched but once they went full auto I was in a hole even if I had to dig it with my hands. Scary stuff.
I have heard their 7.62x39’s have a better reputation than 5.56’s so hopefully you have better luck with yours than I did with mine! One difference that’s already clear is that spare firing pin appears to be the more standard design with the rectangular profile rather than the rounded kind found in the 5.56., so hopefully not as prone to breakage but at least you might have more in the way of quality replacement options moving forward.
@hobofactory thanks, I've heard the same thing. It certainly appears to be more standardized.
For those who dont know, these are made in a civilian factory in Poland. They are NOT made at the legendary circle 11 military factory. I personally would rather buy a WBP made ak as the quality is much higher and they have a much longer history/reputation
Could you explain how you know. I am about to go visit the factory in Poland next month.
We all know that. You boomers always feel the need to mention it..
@@LuckyLarry33what do millennials and zoomers always mention?
Pronouns? Hurt feelings?
Lookin good, I added a Random underfolder to my heard last year, So far running perfect. Later from Texas.
@fredboat sweet, that's good to hear, thanks for sharing!
Beautiful wood on that rifle.
@shawnadams1965 thanks!
This LOOKS like a pretty good Deal! Later I would consider chopping the Barrel to 12" !!! maybe a Folder(Legally of coarse)!!
VSO Channel reports that Pioneer just closed down its' company. PLEASE do some follow-ups. I 've never seen an AK in real life until a week ago when I got my Pioneer Hellpup 11.7". I NEED INFO. When cocked the first trigger pull seems nice. Then when reset and pulled it is very lite, like maybe too lite. Great video.
RockOn.StayFree.
@TARandFEATHERS thanks, I appreciate that. I'll definitely put something out if I hear any updates.
I noticed that, too. VERY light trigger pull. Wasn't expecting it. Good thing it wasn't loaded. SAFETY FIRST!!!
I didnt get any xtras wit mine.... just the mags... and mine wasnt a blem...🤔
@brettaughenbaugh4541 hmm...how long ago did you get it?
Inquiring minds would like to know how well it shoots
@@Chadh-e6h trust me, when we get some better weather, I'll do just that.
It looks like your receiver is bent because , in my opinion, maybe when they stamped in the dent for the mag well receiver support, it’s a little crooked on the left side and that might have bent the receiver down ?
@ozzyosbourne826 that's very possible, I've seen a lot of others in videos that appear the same.
I like it as a base to do some basic Gunsmith and building work . I hear constantly they work . I prefer the 20in myself.
I have a 20 inch Saiga barreled Rifle. With a one in 10 twist rate these specific rifles in the Video would give nearly a full two rotation twists to the bullets, so it will be interesting to check accuracy with various ammo types. Have never actually compared the accuracy on my own Saiga 20 inch barreled AK, however that is in the near future.
@@donald2665sounds like a interesting comparison. I was just looking at a Riley Ak , i dont know much about them , i like the 19.25 in , barrel and a 308 Winchester. Might be a good base for a customized DMR . At under 1300 dollars not a terrible deal .
@@justinjones9042 The Riley Defense AK Line, at Atlantic, caught my attention over the last day or so, for it is more extensive than I had given thought to, and several of their rifles and Krinks / Pistols were very interesting to myself. Out of the Pioneer Line, AIM Surplus has the 20 inch barrel model, for $699 and Atlantic has several of the Forged series AK's - the Grom Tactical, and the 7 inch Pistol AK with Pic rail hand guard and pic rail for attachment of brace or folder type to the pic rail, which are of interest for my self also. The video on the Pioneer 20 inch AK brought out something of detail interest for myself, and that is the use of the large stem bolt in that Rifle. The Bulgarian Large Stem Bolts likely would be compatible. The Saiga Rifles use the slim stem Bolts derived from the re-design to the 5.45X39 by the Russians, and the Receivers of all the common cartridge Saiga Receivers are all AK-74 receivers. I have the 2nd Saiga in 5.56X45 in the US, and it was converted by DGS Manufacturing, Ft Myers FL decades ago, from 7.62X39 to 5.56X45 and uses Galil Mags in that caliber. I agree that AK's in .308 are awesome, and their use in a DMR AK is logical for sure.
@@justinjones9042 I hear the same as well, now the 5.56 ones, not so much. They have longevity issues, likely due to the design of their firing pin.
@@justinjones9042 I did type out a reply to you, but it was apparently removed or Censored, as it is not
in this reply stream so I will type out an abbreviated reply. Another thing I noticed in the Video is that the Bolt utilized on these Pioneer 7.62X39 Rifles is a Large Stem Bolt instead of the narrow Stem Bolts utilized in the Saiga common Caliber Rifles (7.62X39; 5.56; and 5.45X39 ) so a standard Large Stem Bolt (Bulgarian or Russian) could likely be made to work in that Rifle with proper Go Check on Headspace. As you are interested in tinkering with gun smithing, another thing to keep in mind is that the standard Saiga Rifles in the calibers I mentioned above are built using AK-74 Receivers, not AKM Receivers. One can take the 7.62X39 rifles and replace the Barrel with a 5.56 - 0r 5.45 Barrel and tweek the rifle to take specific 5.56 mags such as the Bulgarian, or Galil. I own a Saiga in 5.56, that began Life as a 7.62X39 Rifle, and was converted totally to accept standard furniture and Galil Magazines. Just some food for thought.
Nice brand new AK cool.. thanks for showing
@@RUSTYSURPLUS thank you sir!
Good looking rifle .The RPKs are great, I have one...
@tommystone4563 an RPK is definitely a bucket list gun for along with a few others, lol.
I’m debating on getting one.
@TheREALLibertyOrDeath after I get back from overseas and get some good weather I'll try to do a range video.
What is meant by forged wood???
@mammothammo7357 it's not forged wood, it has a forged trunnion, and wood furniture. This is just how Pioneer had it listed on their website.
Nice , I live in a magazine restricted state totally ridiculous especially when I can head to Pennsylvania and get the 30 round Magazine's Legally because I purchased them out of state .🤔
You must live in NJ!
@drcovell Maryland, Baltimore, is one of the most dangerous violent cities in the United States in a state with one of the strictest gun laws that literally volatile's the Constitution.
Maryland
Nice.
OG Dangers magazines are all 29+1 as described in his videos 😉
@@warrenharrison9490 🤔 I like it, I may do that as well! 🤣
I just took the Woodstock off and put a CNC Warrior side folding stock on it.
@@mattnewman2069 nice, how do you like their stocks?
I think it's quite nice !
@@Gerald-o1v thanks!
I bought one about 20 years ago it was from Romania and called a SAR1 it was new but rough the wood on mine was awful seen better wood come from a weed. Paid around 400. Had it for a few years and sold it for 700.
@Lucysdad66 wow, that's a nice profit, they're worth even more now!
what's the difference between blem and non-blem?
Blem is short for blemish, very slight marks or imperfections that non-blem (factory perfect) dont have out of the box, typically anything marked blemished is cheaper to varying degrees based on visual damage, and not functional damage, as those typically aren't sold
@Scuggish yep, exactly. Additionally, they stated on their website, that these could also be demo/display models.
It takes 3 minutes and 45 seconds to open a cardboard box and unload the manual and mags ?
“Now don’t blink! I’m taking it out of the box,…” I’m good, I want to watch paint dry! 😖
Pretty nice for a blem. I like the furniture not so much the grip.
@DougBird-p9g yep, not a fan of the grip lol.
I have been wanting 1
@jackmorrow427 Aim Surplus currently has them, however they're $700 🤔
too bad we never got a view of the whole rifle
@fmike15 ill try to get a better view of it on the mag fitment video I plan on doing. It was ber hard with my video setup at the table.
Take a shot every time he says um...
@@kippnovak9833 🤣
Hate the 20 rife in an AK. You can switch everything out. Got some creep? I bet it sucks.
3:35 minutes until box opened and rifle revealed. My gosh man show the item and stop stalling !
Nice rifle. A bit heavy.
Owwww that really hurt.. lol
Not the look I was expecting from a Sporter rifle.
The company fired all employees and completely shut down the other day they probably gave that because of that 😢 the polish factory shut down
@TRXSHxSNIPER well it sucks, less competition means higher prices.
I'm hearing they closed the business.
@@billshepard6664 yep, I'm hearing the same rumblings.
lol that didn’t age well
@@maddantt7757 yep...🤦♂️...I was totally caught off guard by their closing.
I love how pioneer arms desperately tries to act like theirs are actually made in the (11) factory
Didn't work out so well, now did it?
They didn't. They clearly stated they make theirs in property formerly used by (11) in Radom.
You look and sound like Timmy welz you can't put mag on.? Lol
Cheap pistol grip looks so bad. That alone is a deal breaker.
If you paid more than any dollars for this toy looking gun you got taken.
Are you part woman? You showed the box but kept talking or gabbing I guess to increase you time for content. Simple, here is the box, open it , show the rifle. Done!
Pioneer arms uh nope same company that made the IO brand and quality suck and may be dangerous
Uhm. . . . . . . . . . . .
Chest looking ak I've seen. Plastic pistol grip.looks like plastic mags the entire rifle looks like a POS.
Get to it, stop yapping
Way too wordy and repetitious. Some EDITING will help. Keep trying,,,,maybe get a job.
Instead of guessing if we can see the whole image, why not do a trial run first? You sound ridiculous. Also, until around 8 minutes in l thought 'blem' was a model or company name. It sounds vaguely Polish. I didn't know you were talking about a 'blemish'. You might want to define terms for us newbies.
Maybe shape up on your grammar...
sweet looking A.K. 👍👍
Guns are scary! Guns scare me! Guns kill! Only soldiers should have guns. I'm traumatized after watching the video. 😢😭
Get yourself on the Dr. Phil show then! LOL