Why was this video recomended to me? I can’t think of a less interesting subject.. all these actors are rich they are not victms. A whole essay about *this* ? And a *serious* one? LoL sad af
@@bat1579 so rich people dont deserve happiness and privacy? you highlight exactly the problem this video brings up. The only reason your against this is because your probably one of his creepy sexualisers, get a life, and some deceny and respect for other people and their privacy. Everyone deserves that.
As a Pedro fan, I felt like the daddy talk was cute and funny in the beginning until it got downright weird and fetishizing. I think we just don't know how to treat human as human anymore; everything's content.
The racial aspect of it was uncomfy too. There was a really good article about him and the "papi/sexy latin lover" archetype which broke it down really well. I think it was one thing when it was just a few people being silly and horny in their own spaces of the internet but once it became all anyone had to say about him and he was being forced to read over-the-top sexual comments about himself in interviews, that was way too far.
Honestly if you’re interested in more of this topic, I’d recommend Salem Tovars video ‘The dangerous double standard: Pedro pascal and the hypersexualization of men’. It really goes into depth about the topic in an interesting way.
It happened to Justin Bieber too, during his teens. I think that his overall a-holeyness comes from the fact that he was repeatedly harassed by ANYONE, known or unknown, since he was 13. This doesn't justify any of his horrible behaviors, but it's a thing to be taken into account, especially since we berate these things when they happen to girls and women. People should calm down.
people obsessing over whether celebrities are secretly queer is so bizarre and inappropriate not to mention it will probably discourage celebrities that ARE closeted from ever coming out
This reminds me of of the obsession with Tyler, The Creator's sexuality and how weird the fans have been with it. People need to mind their damn business
This!!! I also hate people accusing celebrities of queer bating when they are queer coded but have not shared their orientation. Fandoms have always had a lot of people that have lost their common sense, but I think it has gotten worse and worse. Now all of a sudden everyone seems to think that celebrities own it to us to share details that are none of our business! It is so selfish, people need to realize that they cannot demand someone to come out just so that the fans have someone to relate to.
I don't get why people think it's so ok to objectify anyone, whatever gender. Its particularly puzzling when women do it because we've spoken up against that happening to us, just because someone's gender is different doesn't make it OK. This weird fandom issue just doesn't make sense to me, if you're a fan of someone, doesn't that mean you're a fan of them as a person? So why dehumanize them like this?
I remember watching a clip of Chris Evans on Ellen, where she put up all these shirtless pics of him and commented on his body, and everyone was eating it up. I just sat there thinking "Isn't this gross? Would they do this with a female celebrity?" I just think there's such a double standard. The whole "thirst" culture for these famous guys is just so lecherous and objectifying. You're allowed to think someone is hot, but they need to start giving assemblies on parasocial relationships fr. It's creepy.
So true, I've been thinking about this for a while how it seems socially acceptable to actively sexualise men while sexualising women is seen as completely gross (as it should be). It's like we've flipped the narrative and objectified men while assuming it's completely fine because it goes against the patriarchy. However I do notice creepy comments from women to other women especially on tiktok like 'I'm no better than a man' or calling them mother. It's like they're so close to acknowledging the issue but can't quite understand how creepy it is to sexualise someone so shamelessly and without any regard for them.
I just feel bad for Jacob because that bath water is going to stick with him forever. And it’s interesting as people have really run with him and that but not Barry even though Barry’s character actually did all the crazy stuff in the movie… I just don’t get it like leave people alone. You can find celebrities hot and all but just leave them alone it’s not that hard.
Do note that first the kissing booth stuck with him for awhile, i feel like if he grabs another interesting role he'll be able to move his acting career along from it. As we've had the kissing booth, euphoria & now saltburn from him (as in chaos titles)
I think it's because Jacob's character was the object of Oliver's (Barry Keoghan) desire in Saltburn, so instead of living vicariously through this film fantasy, deranged people project this desire onto the actor and think it's acceptable to treat him in the same way
Yeah as another commenter said, Jacob’s role in the movie was as the sort of “object of desire”/romantic conquest before everything went down, so I guess it makes sense for the audience to latch on to him as the kind of sex symbol. it’s kind of interesting to see a man in that role that would probably, in a more traditional movie, be a female role, but clearly people will sexualize you either way. People really need to be better at separating fiction from reality.
And that scene probably the least marking one of all the messed up events in Saltburn. People focusing on it so hard is... something. People are thisty for no reason.
A lot of the time, men in Hollywood are told not to discourage this kind of thing because the women sexualizing them are the reason they get jobs. It's a shame, but they do have a fear of losing their ability to open/star in movies if they speak out against this kind of fan behavior.
I get celebrity crushes ... but i wish people stop talking about celebrities' sex life or bodies. If it'snt important to the actual conversation, just don't bring it out.
Australian Radio is a horrid breeding ground for "shock jocks" - where radio hosts do the most deranged pranks, calls or interviews for the ratings, so I'm not surprised that this happened. Not condoning aggression, but I can see why there's a sympathetic lens on his response.
Yes. I remember the prank call on the nurse in a London hospital when they pretended to be the royal family asking about Kate Middleton, and then the nurse went on to take her own life
Jacob actually has spoken about how uncomfortable he feels being objectified. Search "Jacob Elordi speaks out against objectification he faces as a man in Hollywood".
I really don’t think it’s prudish to say “Hey, maybe over-sexualizing someone else is dehumanizing and not okay.” Whether they’re in on the “jokes” or not, there’s still a high likelihood that these comments could be messing with their self image and overall mental health. Famous or not.
I enjoy that. I find the over-sexual comments & puritanical comments are two sides of the same coin; they both refuse to acknowledge the people they discuss as persons with the ability to consent (or refuse to consent), instead objectifying them. It would be good for folks to ask whether they would say those things to the person directly before posting.
About the daddy meme: I think it is important to keep in mind that Pedro Pascal might have found the meme funny the first few times he heard it. That's why he leaned into it. However, if you hear the same meme every single day as just a nonstop wave from the internet, it starts being less funny.
I am so confused about saltburn because everytime I hear someone talk about it it sounds like a different movie. Is it gross? Is it sexy? Is it scary? Is it a comedy? Is it a drama? The tiktok girlies said something about mansions and pretty dresses? Who wears the pretty dress? Is it Jacob? No I won't watch it, I'm just going to continue to be confused.
7:54 🤮 Countdown for the first online countdown to a boy actor becoming "legal" like those about girl actors. Equality wasn't supposed to be this people.
@@Li_Tobler Very good as a general rule, but when I think about all the guys who would like to objectified and sexualized, I don't think it works in this particular regard.
I CRINGE about how some women act online towards men and especially when that is then conveyed to these male celebrities by the media in the form of interviews. A great example of this is Hozier, it feels like almost every interview across his entire career is filled with how obsessed his female fans are of him, showing him examples and asking him for his opinion on his popularity. Of course he takes it well everytime it’s brought up, but you can just tell that there is a sense of discomfort. He’s voiced on several occasions that he’s glad he’s managed to separate who he is personally to who he is an artist so much due to his identity often being assumed by his fans, based on the character he personifies. But I still think a lot of fans (often *grown* women) simply cannot behave themselves towards him both online and in person and I feel when celebrities are subjected to this kind of parasocial behaviour.
I have a fanpage about Cillian Murphy and I think I'm the perfect delulu to say that, yes, they do not know how to behave themselves. I think it's more than okay to write/read your fanfics and thirst over a celebrity, but for the love of god DO NOT TAG THEM, I love some other actors and I've blocked them in my edit account because I simply think they deserve as much respect as the next person, and I try to keep my post's captions as "clean" as possible, yeah my behavior is not okay at all but I at least try to think how would I feel If I were in their shoes
This same thing happened to the R&B/neo soul singer D'Angelo. He couldn't handle the sexualization that was put upon him during his massive heyday. It was one of the reasons why he disappeared for as long as he did.
I 1000% agree with your take in this video and I think another example of people crossing a line in a sexual manner is with Aaron Taylor-Johnson. There’s a clear line between wishing he was not stuck with a woman who quite likely groomed him from a young age and wanting that so that he’s sexually available to them in their minds. Even if the famous person doesn’t see those tweets/comments/etc., it’s still out there and making that kind of sexualization seem okay to do to them.
I think people are still learning how to be normal after the global pandemic. Also, I feel bad for Jacob, Google says he's 26 which is super young for him to have to deal with all this. Yeah, people need to act normal or act kind.
Honestly, I feel like folks don't know how to be kind and genuine. Its weird but when the new normal is tlkn shit and being an ass on the internet(and they have podcast with high views and low intelligence or they become an influencer without morals) becomes normal, it bleeds out into the real world and the two converge. It's weird but it real and It's sad. We really don't know how to treat each other irl or on the web. It's the wild west out here😢
I think you made a really interesting point near the end of your video about gen z's attitude towards sex bc I agree with you! It's something Ive noticed as Ive gotten older as well. I was once in the camp of being extremely prudish about sex discussions bc my first exposure to it was through extremely graphic and violent content (thank you unsupervised internet access), and it really made it difficult to make friends as the people I talked to would all inevitably start talking about sex and voice it in increasingly deranged ways. I never saw it as morally wrong to talk about sex, but it was increasingly obvious to me that the ppl i talked to all got their ideas of what ""real sex"" was through videos or writing and they really did not have the personal experience to back up what they were saying. I think a big part of why so many gen z's end up with this extremist attitude toward sex is that a lot of us have grown up with exposure to sexual material at even earlier ages than past generations (IDK if this statistically true, just something gleaned from anecdotal experiences. It's a lot easier to get your hands on explicit material nowadays as long as you have a device that connects to the internet.) Please do make a more formal and in depth video about the phenomenon you highlighted in this video! There is so much to explore on this topic and I look forward to hearing your thoughts :)
amen. tbh I’m getting a little sick of the internet not being able to enjoy people/things in a normal way. And look, I’ve been a crazy 13 year old 5sos stan, I am no stranger to a tween girls craziness, but it’s not just the small subsect of crazy tweens anymore, full grown adults are treating these humans in such objectifying and uncaring ways and it ruins everything. What happened to just enjoying people’s art and not being creeps about it
Great discussion! I feel like this type of speaking (also see the mother is mothering/cuntquake stuff) tends to fall in kind of memeified territory where because of the joke people keep adding on and being more and more extreme! It moves the focus away from the persons talents and accomplishments and centres their online following on this meme type behaviour! It’s sad to see bc it normalises creepy ways to talk about people and validates these actions to also happen in real life? Meanwhile the person is just expected to wave and laugh
And also i feel like when people use that language online, it’s almost never with the intention that the person will see it, so whenever interviewers bring it up im like why, this is meant to be an online thing, like stop
i always get so appalled when i see those insanely sexual and rancid tweets and posts about any celebrity disregarding of gender because i can’t believe that people a) feel so entitled to say things like this like they own the person and b) feel no shame and post it from their personal accounts with their names and pictures and are not scared to be seen as a sexual predators because saying those things about celebrities became so normalized……
I think part of the problem is how centralized the internet is now, before you could keep your weird thirstposts to sites where celebrities would never see them in a fit but now so many boundaries have been pulled down and everyone's crammed together on Twitter (which keeps removing functions like circles) so the type of thing that would've only been seen by 10 of your friends on Tumblr, Deviantart or LiveJournal 15 years ago is being laughed at on Graham Norton today. I don't think there's innately a problem with posting about how hot a celebrity is in of itself.
for real. it also seems like being aware of online fan behaviour and trends has become kind of a public-image boost for celebrities/actors, even more so when they're able to play into those jokes (unless you're jared leto). getting on TikTok with millions of people is the norm now whereas 10 or so years ago most celebrities wouldn't touch platforms like Tumblr with a 50-foot pole
People are just the creepiest when they mess around with what they see in a movie or show and think it's okay to completely relate to it in real life. This has to stop right now!
I feel like the bathtub scene is the very similar to how people treated the peach scene from CMBYN. People had Timmy signing peaches for awhile but it's mostly over now and people have moved on. Hopefully it'll be the same for Jacob and people will move on from it as he gets other roles.
As an Australian; as soon as you said it was on Jackie O - I was like "oh, okay that makes sense" Like some of the absolute bottom tier people end up running these shows, and Jackie O has been in The Biz for a LONG time. Honestly can't say that I haven't felt similarly, so honestly he has my complete sympathy. Can he take on Kyle Sandilands next? I'll be his alibi lmao
Honestly, it's a really good thing this is being discussed. I read the Jacob Elordi story and found it hard to sympathize with the radio guy. I'm not saying he should have gotten violent with the guy, but what makes you think walking up to a stranger and telling him to fill up a jar with his bathwater and send it back to you just because you've seen that person on your tv screen is justifiable, even as a "prank"? It's not even just an objectification issue, it's just dehumanizing.
Honestly if anyone acted like this to normal non celeb people they would find themselves with a restraining order and be considered a creep. So why do people do that toward celebs like they aren't people too?
The first time I heard of the news was a E! News community post where a comment read "the Euphoria curse strikes again. It's the new Glee". That comment has 14 likes as I just went back to it. And all I'm thinking is "have you seen the success that the cast is having beyond the show?" And besides one poor actor, I'm pretty sure no else who worked on this show died yet.
That is one interesting comparison that actually makes sense. Both Glee and Euphoria being Uber popular teen oriented shows which make the respective casts household names but also have a lot of problematic elements present as well as problematic show runners and behind the scenes drama (I know the last 2 aren't exclusive to these shows but still) EDIT: Also while it is early because Euphoria is still ongoing while Glee has been off the air for years I still think that comparison is kind of apt
The pandemic really did a number on people and how they behave and receive culture. Being locked inside for that kind of time accelerated the weirdness people used to respond with online and irl. It will be a fascinating study a few years down the road.
My advice on people expressing thoughts like that on social media is -- before posting -- asking whether you would say that statement to someone's face. If not, then it might not be worth posting.
Saltburn is the film equivalent of Doki Doki Literature Club. In that when a friend asks for a recommendation for a game to play you recommend this “crazy new visual novel that everyone’s talking about!” And you play it, and it’s certainly a visual novel. But weird stuff starts trickling in. A funny out of place line. A slight nod at self awareness. A knowing glance. A sense of unease… and then something turns and you realize you’re not playing your typical visual novel. This is someone’s sick parody of what an actual visual novel is. That’s Saltburn. On the surface, a darkly comic portrayal of a prosperous beyond their needs family and the pet commoner they’ve taken in for the Summer. This is true. But then bath gets drawn. And the mirror gets smashed. And the pie gets eaten… and you realize this is something WAY MORE. Do I like it? That’s hard to say. Was it captivating? Sure. I watched it all begging to know the conclusion. But to say “enjoy” is a STRONG WORD. I dealt with it. It happened. That’s it.
That viral tweet... okay, we really need to start talking about the dangers of being chronically online & using parasocial relationships with media or people to trauma dump into a void that they never fully healed from. It's taking me forever to figure out why I'm annoyed with Taylor swift's fans and I think this is the answer. Like they're obsessed with her & I find it really sad how they cling to her like she's a god. Like I feel like this goes back to the iPad generation that had lack of real connections and now they cling to these fake things to fill the void...it's fucking weird.
It's not the "iPad generation". Gen z is the one obsessing over Taylor Swift and sexualizing Jacob Elordi, not a bunch of elementary schoolers. 💀 We can't just blame gen alpha for all our problems all the time because we wanna avoid responsibility.
I have not seen Jacob Elordi in anything, but he seems like an exceptional actor from what I have heard and seen. I also agree with everything you've been saying. I was introduced to your channel by a friend of mine, and I take all her recommendations extremely seriously, everything she recommends is always 100/10, and she was not wrong with this one either. You're really well spoken and articulate. I am subscribing!
This reminds me of that book tok thing where a hokey player got cat called a lot. So he's uncomfortable, but the PR team was sending these women free tickets and stuff, lol. It's like people don't care if it's happening to a man.
yess im so glad youre mentioning this,, when he was on snl there were a few skits that made me feel uncomfortable bc of how much they were sexualizing him,, it was so weird. im not a big fan but he def deserves more protection in this regard
Would you be willing to do a follow up deep dive into the point you raised about gen z’s all or northing relationship to sexuality? that’s such an interesting observation i would love to hear more of your thoughts about it!
another aussie here - something that may add context to his behaviour and upbringing is the high schools he attended are well-known for bad publicity and toxic cultures. not saying he was one of those students (he seems like a kind and openminded person) but i always felt thats why he was able to embody that type of asshole in euphoria. ps, jackie-o sucks
I have a fanpage about Cillian Murphy and I think I'm the perfect delulu to say that, yes, they do not know how to behave themselves. I think it's more than okay to write/read your fanfics and thirst over a celebrity, but for the love of god DO NOT TAG THEM, I love some other actors and I've blocked them in my edit account because I simply think they deserve as much respect as the next person, and I try to keep my post's captions as "clean" as possible, yeah my behavior is not okay at all but I at least try to think how would I feel If I were in their shoes. Anyways, every day I feel grateful that Cillian doesn't have any type of social media, he doesn't deserve to witness all the gross things some ppl say about him (and no other celebrity should have to endure that)
"I think it would be my own personal nightmare to try to move through this world and keep to myself while thousands of strangers online are sexualizing me and making comments on every part of my body." THIS.
I blame The Kissing Booth for making Jacob Elordy a typecast of abusive young man, so now that image has been cemented in everyone's mind and the weirder people can't keep it in their pants anymore. You don't see this happening with the blonde actor of Red, White and Royal Blue, for example.
It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway: we would never tolerate a young female celebrity being treated this way. With the whole "daddy" thing, it seems like people on the internet think it's ok to objectify older men, or men in general, for some reason. It's gross all the way around.
Women just gt away with this "daddy" bs. When some man calls a female icon "mommy" he is shamed to death and called a creep (even if the extent of which is probably wrong, I think it's good he doesn't get away with it.). And it is the same. There is almost as many guys with the same kink, arguably coming from parenthood issues. But again, if I called my gf mommy, she is no longer my gf, but I was called "daddy" and it made me massively uncomfortable.
Just… hearing or reading people say “daddy” or “mommy” makes me uncomfortable enough (but eh, they are fictional) BUT CALLING A REAL PERSON THAT? Those people have internet brainrot
On the recent SNL episode he was on, most of the punchlines were that he was hott.......it was super cringe. At least they didn't make a gay joke I guess.
I do hope he moves past this role. Usually It boy roles don't last forever: especially when he gets older. So, I hope he gets amazing versatile roles that goes beyond female fandom.
im sorry gorl, these topics give me so much second hand embarrassment i gotta skip around 😂 i’ll tune in for the next one though! keep up the fun vids! Also, get well soon!
Didn't Pedro Pascal have a very famous relationship with Lena Headey (Cersey) during Game of Thrones? Speaking of which, I can't fathom why it took The Mandalorian and The Last Of Us for people to appreciate him when we had Oberyn Martell right there from the start
The radio host is the worst. Crass, offensive, no empathy whatsoever. Drinks four litres of coke every day and wonders why he has anxiety. He would have known what he was getting into but I guess if you have a film to promote you just do it.
In my opinion, I think that fandom should be conducted in a similar manner that stage performers are expected to conduct themselves when they're backstage during a live performance - if you can see the audience, they can see you. If you can see what your fave is doing on social media, they can see what you're doing, too. Because, I'mma be be real here - I'm too grown to care about what Internet randoms are saying about their faves (in reason, of course). Like, saying someone is Zaddy^TM is not the end of the fucking world. And I say that because I've seen far too many people approach this topic with no kind of nuance, acting as if saying someone is hot and you'd maybe have sex with them, if given the chance, is equivalent to describing graphic sex acts that would make anyone uncomfortable. But!! And this is the kicker - there is a time and a place for that shit. Specifically, in group chats and private forums where those celebrities can't see it!! Because, chances are, you are not the only person making a thirst post about a certain someone on social media. You're bound to find someone (a lot of someones) who are expressing the same thing. And that shit gets v overwhelming. TL;DR - BRING BACK GROUP CHATS!! FANDOMS SHOULD NOT HAVE OPEN ACCESS TO THEIR FAVES!! OUR FAVES SHOULD NOT OPEN ACCESS TO THEIR FANDOM!! WHEN ARE WE GOING TO FUCKING LEARN THE SHIT NEVER ENDS WELL?! EDIT - 7:53 is a prime example of why I have this stance. This should have never left a group chat (it should've never been said, period, but like Let's be forreal, bestie). If you're gonna say some shit like this, the least you can do is say it in a place where the person, in question, can't see it.
I think it has to be frustrating as an actor because he do so much work, trying to deliver the best performance and make the character as believable as possible and then every time you’re asked about the movie you’re asked about one specific scene and of course it’s a sexual scene. It to be so degrading and embarrassing after a while.
Don't objectify anyone in a boundary crossing way. You can find them attractive and follow their work, but at the end of the day they have value and are autonomous individuals who deserve respect and space from these kinds of violations.
He’s been too objectified in my opinion I mean he has to undress in every movie at this point it’s not attractive it just makes me uncomfortable for him
This is mostly touching on Pedro Pascal and peoples view of him, but I can't be the only one that hates the daddy and mommy objectification. It's just never been something I'll be able to understand. Why are you comparing someone you find attractive to a parental label? It's weird and has some very strange undertones that I don't think I'll ever be comfortable with. I cringe so hard every time someone calls a person they're attracted to mommy or daddy.
I don’t have a problem with people thirsting over actors in a private setting, but sometimes it feels like people are trying to one-up each other in the sort of extreme, meme-y way of sexualizing actors that gets so shocking that it draws people’s attention. Anything for internet points, I guess? In a way I don’t even have a huge problem with people thirsting over actors on their own social media, especially if they’re a small account and not tagging or directly interacting with the actor- if THOSE get picked up and then taken to be shown to the actor in some show format, I moreso blame the producers of that kind of show than the original users. Still, people should be cognizant of how social media works and how these actors are PEOPLE that exist in the world so there’s always a risk they’ll see whatever weird shit you’re saying about them. I have the most beef with people who take this kind of language and then use it directly within the comment section of an actor, or even a random TikTok users, mentions. Like have some tact, bro, they do NOT want to see that shit. The hyper-sexualizing comments get so normalized as a “meme” that people think it’s alright to just straight up say to someone, but it is just so creepy in the context that you’re saying it RIGHT TO THEM. Like, are you expecting a response??? Are you expecting to elicit anything other than discomfort in them?
I think you can compliment a person without sexualising them. Most of these comments are seriously too much. You can call someone attractive without being disgusting. Seriously.
Now that we're living in a social media world/internet world/technology world, people are now forgetting that the people they see on screen are also humans. Internet thought us how to have double standard and it's crazy.
your opinion is not prudish. i am not above having a celeb crush, its fine to find them attractive and like their work, but sexualizing them is just weirdddd. its especially weird when that person has a partner who can see that stuff on their timeline too...
07:53 That is just fucked up. Now i am aware of a incident where he liked a post of a friend with someone wearing blackface (the caption literally had a caption saying "man*gga) but that is just some twisted shit to say about anyone. I don't care if its a joke that's just fucked up and i wouldn't wish that on anyone. I don't think it's prudish to call out a person making a joke implying that he's been assaulted by a family member
I think in most capacity, we need to leave celebrities alone. They're not different than any of us aside from their glamorous jobs. People need to touch grass (myself included)
I feel like the overlap between people publicly tweeting these comments has a large overlap with "spicy booktok" or whatever. I dont have any evidence, just vibes. I think its okay to be a little deranged about thinking someone is hot, but measures should be taken to make sure that person isnt going to see it, and that youre not confusing an actor with their characters.
I've never seen your videos before this, but wow it's so well crafted and, dare I say, nuanced??? I appreciate how you acknowledge the possible counterpoints people would have but you're right on the money. Just because someone has more power than you doesn't mean it's okay to sexually harass them. And it's unfortunate that a lot of what (sounds like) happened at the radio show is not seen as harassment, but it IS. They're HUMANS.
Okay hot take: (maybe not that hot) Saltburn smacks of rich people fetishising having their wealth forcibly taken from them. This is a documented common fantasy for people with wealth, especially inherited wealth (as is the case in Saltburn). I don’t think it’s necessarily a canonical interpretation within the film but I feel like it’s an element that can’t be ignored. Come at me.
kayla you are so correct, Perdo Pascal just got blown up completely and then blown to bits, we just get a new chew toy to chew on once in a while, and it must be horrible to be the appointed chew toy
People can't learn the difference between acknowledging someone is very attractive and has this mature hotness and downright dehumanizingly reducing them to their hotness, only to a dimension of being a daddy/mommy/hot chick, etc. Sure, call him a daddy, but a daddy with all his other qualities outside of just looking hot.
Ya stuff like this with the sexualization of certain men and how far it’s ok to take it, especially with celebrities is interesting it bleeds out into the real world to, like I have a friend who is for a lack of a better word, is super handsome, that sort of androgynous beauty that you see sometimes, and women (and men) will say crazy stuff to him, grab him, ask him to do things and say really crude stuff about him too his face, and according to him have been since he was like 12-13. he’s used to it for the most part, but a big problem is the touching, because he was SA’d as a child by a family member and really hates being touched without his permission. Which escalated to when he was 14, he was in downtown SF, and this older woman (well of looking woman too apparently) slid her hand up his shorts, and he smacked her in the face.
Yep! I'm the same way, and (especially older women) will come up and say trifling shit to me. And I get it from my coworkers too. It's weird. I don't like it, but sometimes (rarely) I do. I don't know. I have yet to be physically touched by any of them though.
That tweet about Pedro had me on the floor Edit: I know this comment contradicts the entire premise of this video. But wow, that person had me floored for a minute
I truly believe that ao3 and wattpad have had a big hand in people speculating about celebs’ sexuality. They want it to be true so that their creepy fantasies are validated. Larry and K-pop ships are clear evidences for this fact
this is tangentiel, but in his snl episode, 3 of the sketches were about how hot he is, and that annoyed me, like one sure, i get it, but 3? there have been a lot of hot people on snl and they don’t all get that
*Just a note here folks, I meant to say "investigated" at 9:30 instead of arrested there. My bad, still shaking off the flu brain lmao
Why was this video recomended to me? I can’t think of a less interesting subject.. all these actors are rich they are not victms. A whole essay about *this* ? And a *serious* one? LoL sad af
better question, whyd you click on it lmfao @@bat1579
@@bat1579 so rich people dont deserve happiness and privacy? you highlight exactly the problem this video brings up. The only reason your against this is because your probably one of his creepy sexualisers, get a life, and some deceny and respect for other people and their privacy. Everyone deserves that.
@@HobanProduction “dOeS nOt mEaN tHeY cAn’T bE a VicTm” imagine caring about *THIS* 💀
@@bat1579Why do you care so much also?
As a Pedro fan, I felt like the daddy talk was cute and funny in the beginning until it got downright weird and fetishizing. I think we just don't know how to treat human as human anymore; everything's content.
The racial aspect of it was uncomfy too. There was a really good article about him and the "papi/sexy latin lover" archetype which broke it down really well. I think it was one thing when it was just a few people being silly and horny in their own spaces of the internet but once it became all anyone had to say about him and he was being forced to read over-the-top sexual comments about himself in interviews, that was way too far.
@@asterismos5451could you link the article :)?
Honestly if you’re interested in more of this topic, I’d recommend Salem Tovars video ‘The dangerous double standard: Pedro pascal and the hypersexualization of men’.
It really goes into depth about the topic in an interesting way.
@@MaeArt725Second that!
Cute jokes always spiral out of control 😣
It happened to Justin Bieber too, during his teens. I think that his overall a-holeyness comes from the fact that he was repeatedly harassed by ANYONE, known or unknown, since he was 13. This doesn't justify any of his horrible behaviors, but it's a thing to be taken into account, especially since we berate these things when they happen to girls and women.
People should calm down.
I'm still burned by the baby daddy saga. Urgh.
when do they burn the salt. im 3 minutes into the movie
bro don’t know 💀
Trust me it’s coming
shut up you have no idea what you’re talking about and ur not funny. saltburn is a modern classic and if you don’t get it that’s your damn loss
@@rizwanaurit’s doing WHAT
To be fair you have to have a really IQ to understand when the salt gets burned. Yes I have a bathtub tattoo and no you may not see it
people obsessing over whether celebrities are secretly queer is so bizarre and inappropriate
not to mention it will probably discourage celebrities that ARE closeted from ever coming out
This reminds me of of the obsession with Tyler, The Creator's sexuality and how weird the fans have been with it. People need to mind their damn business
and kit connor too
@@gothgirlfriend713especially because he's explicitly bi/pan but people still demand him to straight up say IM BI!!!!! like oh my god shut up
gaylors whole existence
This!!! I also hate people accusing celebrities of queer bating when they are queer coded but have not shared their orientation. Fandoms have always had a lot of people that have lost their common sense, but I think it has gotten worse and worse. Now all of a sudden everyone seems to think that celebrities own it to us to share details that are none of our business! It is so selfish, people need to realize that they cannot demand someone to come out just so that the fans have someone to relate to.
I don't get why people think it's so ok to objectify anyone, whatever gender. Its particularly puzzling when women do it because we've spoken up against that happening to us, just because someone's gender is different doesn't make it OK. This weird fandom issue just doesn't make sense to me, if you're a fan of someone, doesn't that mean you're a fan of them as a person? So why dehumanize them like this?
I just want to be objectified because I’m not physically attractive
It's not the way@@psychoapplesauceeater8562
Dehumanize? Please. The Nazis dehumanized the Jews, people aren't "dehumanizing" Jacob Elordi. Find a dictionary please.
@jeremyterkelsen2518 Objectifying someone is still considered "dehumanizing" lol I know it's difficult to do, but stop being stupid😂
Most women are hypocritical 🤷🏻♀️ lol not that surprising.
I remember watching a clip of Chris Evans on Ellen, where she put up all these shirtless pics of him and commented on his body, and everyone was eating it up. I just sat there thinking "Isn't this gross? Would they do this with a female celebrity?" I just think there's such a double standard. The whole "thirst" culture for these famous guys is just so lecherous and objectifying. You're allowed to think someone is hot, but they need to start giving assemblies on parasocial relationships fr. It's creepy.
So true, I've been thinking about this for a while how it seems socially acceptable to actively sexualise men while sexualising women is seen as completely gross (as it should be). It's like we've flipped the narrative and objectified men while assuming it's completely fine because it goes against the patriarchy. However I do notice creepy comments from women to other women especially on tiktok like 'I'm no better than a man' or calling them mother. It's like they're so close to acknowledging the issue but can't quite understand how creepy it is to sexualise someone so shamelessly and without any regard for them.
Sexualisation and objectification aren’t inherently the same thing. Did you… think they were?
@@alexbennet4195Is that big words for 'it's okay when it happens to men'?
@@anonme_ …?
@@alexbennet4195 No, but couldn't you say over-sexualization contributes or lends itself to objectification? Never said they were the same thing.
I just feel bad for Jacob because that bath water is going to stick with him forever. And it’s interesting as people have really run with him and that but not Barry even though Barry’s character actually did all the crazy stuff in the movie… I just don’t get it like leave people alone. You can find celebrities hot and all but just leave them alone it’s not that hard.
Do note that first the kissing booth stuck with him for awhile, i feel like if he grabs another interesting role he'll be able to move his acting career along from it. As we've had the kissing booth, euphoria & now saltburn from him (as in chaos titles)
I think it's because Jacob's character was the object of Oliver's (Barry Keoghan) desire in Saltburn, so instead of living vicariously through this film fantasy, deranged people project this desire onto the actor and think it's acceptable to treat him in the same way
That’s an interesting point actually… 🤔🤔
Yeah as another commenter said, Jacob’s role in the movie was as the sort of “object of desire”/romantic conquest before everything went down, so I guess it makes sense for the audience to latch on to him as the kind of sex symbol. it’s kind of interesting to see a man in that role that would probably, in a more traditional movie, be a female role, but clearly people will sexualize you either way. People really need to be better at separating fiction from reality.
And that scene probably the least marking one of all the messed up events in Saltburn.
People focusing on it so hard is... something. People are thisty for no reason.
A lot of the time, men in Hollywood are told not to discourage this kind of thing because the women sexualizing them are the reason they get jobs. It's a shame, but they do have a fear of losing their ability to open/star in movies if they speak out against this kind of fan behavior.
I get celebrity crushes ... but i wish people stop talking about celebrities' sex life or bodies. If it'snt important to the actual conversation, just don't bring it out.
Australian Radio is a horrid breeding ground for "shock jocks" - where radio hosts do the most deranged pranks, calls or interviews for the ratings, so I'm not surprised that this happened. Not condoning aggression, but I can see why there's a sympathetic lens on his response.
Yes. I remember the prank call on the nurse in a London hospital when they pretended to be the royal family asking about Kate Middleton, and then the nurse went on to take her own life
@@dovestone_ wait WHAT
@@bunsbuns9072yep look up “Suicide of Jacintha Saldanha”
@@dovestone_!
@@bunsbuns9072 yes!
Jacob actually has spoken about how uncomfortable he feels being objectified. Search "Jacob Elordi speaks out against objectification he faces as a man in Hollywood".
I really don’t think it’s prudish to say “Hey, maybe over-sexualizing someone else is dehumanizing and not okay.” Whether they’re in on the “jokes” or not, there’s still a high likelihood that these comments could be messing with their self image and overall mental health. Famous or not.
being prude is good though. why do people make it like its a negative thing
I enjoy that. I find the over-sexual comments & puritanical comments are two sides of the same coin; they both refuse to acknowledge the people they discuss as persons with the ability to consent (or refuse to consent), instead objectifying them. It would be good for folks to ask whether they would say those things to the person directly before posting.
@@sampahpribadi Because being a jerk about it exists.
I’m on Jacob’s side, people need to respect others’ boundaries. Celebrity or not, don’t sexually harass a person because you think they’re hot
About the daddy meme: I think it is important to keep in mind that Pedro Pascal might have found the meme funny the first few times he heard it. That's why he leaned into it. However, if you hear the same meme every single day as just a nonstop wave from the internet, it starts being less funny.
I am so confused about saltburn because everytime I hear someone talk about it it sounds like a different movie. Is it gross? Is it sexy? Is it scary? Is it a comedy? Is it a drama? The tiktok girlies said something about mansions and pretty dresses? Who wears the pretty dress? Is it Jacob?
No I won't watch it, I'm just going to continue to be confused.
It’s kinda the movie equivalent of playing Doki Doki Literature Club. If that clears anything up.
I’ve heard their some scenes that give second hand embarrassment. I’m not watching it.
@@AdjectiveOtter not at all 😁
@@Olivia-jw5sd well you don’t need to play that game either.
@@AdjectiveOtteroh… that comparison actually helps a lot lol.
7:54 🤮 Countdown for the first online countdown to a boy actor becoming "legal" like those about girl actors. Equality wasn't supposed to be this people.
@K.C-2049 I'd say treat others how you'd want to be treated. It's really a saying as old as time and I try to stick to it as much as I can
@@Li_Tobler Very good as a general rule, but when I think about all the guys who would like to objectified and sexualized, I don't think it works in this particular regard.
I CRINGE about how some women act online towards men and especially when that is then conveyed to these male celebrities by the media in the form of interviews. A great example of this is Hozier, it feels like almost every interview across his entire career is filled with how obsessed his female fans are of him, showing him examples and asking him for his opinion on his popularity.
Of course he takes it well everytime it’s brought up, but you can just tell that there is a sense of discomfort.
He’s voiced on several occasions that he’s glad he’s managed to separate who he is personally to who he is an artist so much due to his identity often being assumed by his fans, based on the character he personifies. But I still think a lot of fans (often *grown* women) simply cannot behave themselves towards him both online and in person and I feel when celebrities are subjected to this kind of parasocial behaviour.
"cannot behave themselves" is the perfect way of putting it
I have a fanpage about Cillian Murphy and I think I'm the perfect delulu to say that, yes, they do not know how to behave themselves. I think it's more than okay to write/read your fanfics and thirst over a celebrity, but for the love of god DO NOT TAG THEM, I love some other actors and I've blocked them in my edit account because I simply think they deserve as much respect as the next person, and I try to keep my post's captions as "clean" as possible, yeah my behavior is not okay at all but I at least try to think how would I feel If I were in their shoes
This same thing happened to the R&B/neo soul singer D'Angelo. He couldn't handle the sexualization that was put upon him during his massive heyday. It was one of the reasons why he disappeared for as long as he did.
The main point of saltburn is that the protagonist is so obsessed with Jacob that destroys everything i-
Love the video but I would argue that despite not being remembered that fondly, The Kissing Booth was his breakout role!
I agree 💯%. The Kissing Booth was his breakout role and shouldn’t be forgotten.
@@ashleymarie9790I’m pretty sure Jacob 100% wants us to forget that he is in TKB 😂
@@the-berries-and-cream-dudefr-he’s becoming the next Robbert Pattinson lol
I 1000% agree with your take in this video and I think another example of people crossing a line in a sexual manner is with Aaron Taylor-Johnson. There’s a clear line between wishing he was not stuck with a woman who quite likely groomed him from a young age and wanting that so that he’s sexually available to them in their minds. Even if the famous person doesn’t see those tweets/comments/etc., it’s still out there and making that kind of sexualization seem okay to do to them.
I think people are still learning how to be normal after the global pandemic. Also, I feel bad for Jacob, Google says he's 26 which is super young for him to have to deal with all this. Yeah, people need to act normal or act kind.
Honestly, I feel like folks don't know how to be kind and genuine. Its weird but when the new normal is tlkn shit and being an ass on the internet(and they have podcast with high views and low intelligence or they become an influencer without morals) becomes normal, it bleeds out into the real world and the two converge. It's weird but it real and It's sad. We really don't know how to treat each other irl or on the web. It's the wild west out here😢
The only good thing about Saltburn is it got Sophie Ellis-Bextor onto the US Hot 100. “Murder on the Dance Floor” is a certified bop.
The music video now has "As Heard in Saltburn" in the title now
I think you made a really interesting point near the end of your video about gen z's attitude towards sex bc I agree with you! It's something Ive noticed as Ive gotten older as well. I was once in the camp of being extremely prudish about sex discussions bc my first exposure to it was through extremely graphic and violent content (thank you unsupervised internet access), and it really made it difficult to make friends as the people I talked to would all inevitably start talking about sex and voice it in increasingly deranged ways.
I never saw it as morally wrong to talk about sex, but it was increasingly obvious to me that the ppl i talked to all got their ideas of what ""real sex"" was through videos or writing and they really did not have the personal experience to back up what they were saying. I think a big part of why so many gen z's end up with this extremist attitude toward sex is that a lot of us have grown up with exposure to sexual material at even earlier ages than past generations (IDK if this statistically true, just something gleaned from anecdotal experiences. It's a lot easier to get your hands on explicit material nowadays as long as you have a device that connects to the internet.)
Please do make a more formal and in depth video about the phenomenon you highlighted in this video! There is so much to explore on this topic and I look forward to hearing your thoughts :)
Yesss!! Wattpad and ao3 are definitely the main culprits here
Australian here - that radio show is quite scummy. Not surprised.
amen. tbh I’m getting a little sick of the internet not being able to enjoy people/things in a normal way. And look, I’ve been a crazy 13 year old 5sos stan, I am no stranger to a tween girls craziness, but it’s not just the small subsect of crazy tweens anymore, full grown adults are treating these humans in such objectifying and uncaring ways and it ruins everything.
What happened to just enjoying people’s art and not being creeps about it
Great discussion! I feel like this type of speaking (also see the mother is mothering/cuntquake stuff) tends to fall in kind of memeified territory where because of the joke people keep adding on and being more and more extreme! It moves the focus away from the persons talents and accomplishments and centres their online following on this meme type behaviour! It’s sad to see bc it normalises creepy ways to talk about people and validates these actions to also happen in real life? Meanwhile the person is just expected to wave and laugh
And also i feel like when people use that language online, it’s almost never with the intention that the person will see it, so whenever interviewers bring it up im like why, this is meant to be an online thing, like stop
i always get so appalled when i see those insanely sexual and rancid tweets and posts about any celebrity disregarding of gender because i can’t believe that people a) feel so entitled to say things like this like they own the person and b) feel no shame and post it from their personal accounts with their names and pictures and are not scared to be seen as a sexual predators because saying those things about celebrities became so normalized……
I think part of the problem is how centralized the internet is now, before you could keep your weird thirstposts to sites where celebrities would never see them in a fit but now so many boundaries have been pulled down and everyone's crammed together on Twitter (which keeps removing functions like circles) so the type of thing that would've only been seen by 10 of your friends on Tumblr, Deviantart or LiveJournal 15 years ago is being laughed at on Graham Norton today. I don't think there's innately a problem with posting about how hot a celebrity is in of itself.
for real. it also seems like being aware of online fan behaviour and trends has become kind of a public-image boost for celebrities/actors, even more so when they're able to play into those jokes (unless you're jared leto). getting on TikTok with millions of people is the norm now whereas 10 or so years ago most celebrities wouldn't touch platforms like Tumblr with a 50-foot pole
Can we also talk about how gross it was when cast members of The Bear were being asked about Jeremy Allen White’s Calvin Klein ad on the red carpet?
asking as if he's not their literal co-worker?? who they see at work everyday??? at their job????? why would anyone ask them abt his underwear
People are just the creepiest when they mess around with what they see in a movie or show and think it's okay to completely relate to it in real life. This has to stop right now!
I feel like the bathtub scene is the very similar to how people treated the peach scene from CMBYN. People had Timmy signing peaches for awhile but it's mostly over now and people have moved on. Hopefully it'll be the same for Jacob and people will move on from it as he gets other roles.
As an Australian; as soon as you said it was on Jackie O - I was like "oh, okay that makes sense"
Like some of the absolute bottom tier people end up running these shows, and Jackie O has been in The Biz for a LONG time. Honestly can't say that I haven't felt similarly, so honestly he has my complete sympathy. Can he take on Kyle Sandilands next? I'll be his alibi lmao
Honestly, it's a really good thing this is being discussed. I read the Jacob Elordi story and found it hard to sympathize with the radio guy. I'm not saying he should have gotten violent with the guy, but what makes you think walking up to a stranger and telling him to fill up a jar with his bathwater and send it back to you just because you've seen that person on your tv screen is justifiable, even as a "prank"? It's not even just an objectification issue, it's just dehumanizing.
Honestly if anyone acted like this to normal non celeb people they would find themselves with a restraining order and be considered a creep. So why do people do that toward celebs like they aren't people too?
The first time I heard of the news was a E! News community post where a comment read "the Euphoria curse strikes again. It's the new Glee". That comment has 14 likes as I just went back to it. And all I'm thinking is "have you seen the success that the cast is having beyond the show?" And besides one poor actor, I'm pretty sure no else who worked on this show died yet.
That’s not true unfortunately. Angus Cloud had recently passed away, due to an overdose (I think). He played Fezco in the series
@@nhivo5485yeah they know ! that’s why they said “besides one poor actor”
Angus Cloud and one of the producers died
That is one interesting comparison that actually makes sense. Both Glee and Euphoria being Uber popular teen oriented shows which make the respective casts household names but also have a lot of problematic elements present as well as problematic show runners and behind the scenes drama (I know the last 2 aren't exclusive to these shows but still)
EDIT: Also while it is early because Euphoria is still ongoing while Glee has been off the air for years I still think that comparison is kind of apt
The pandemic really did a number on people and how they behave and receive culture. Being locked inside for that kind of time accelerated the weirdness people used to respond with online and irl. It will be a fascinating study a few years down the road.
My advice on people expressing thoughts like that on social media is -- before posting -- asking whether you would say that statement to someone's face. If not, then it might not be worth posting.
Saltburn is the film equivalent of Doki Doki Literature Club. In that when a friend asks for a recommendation for a game to play you recommend this “crazy new visual novel that everyone’s talking about!” And you play it, and it’s certainly a visual novel. But weird stuff starts trickling in. A funny out of place line. A slight nod at self awareness. A knowing glance. A sense of unease… and then something turns and you realize you’re not playing your typical visual novel. This is someone’s sick parody of what an actual visual novel is. That’s Saltburn. On the surface, a darkly comic portrayal of a prosperous beyond their needs family and the pet commoner they’ve taken in for the Summer. This is true. But then bath gets drawn. And the mirror gets smashed. And the pie gets eaten… and you realize this is something WAY MORE. Do I like it? That’s hard to say. Was it captivating? Sure. I watched it all begging to know the conclusion. But to say “enjoy” is a STRONG WORD. I dealt with it. It happened. That’s it.
Honestly it’s the perfect film for people with FOMO xD
That viral tweet... okay, we really need to start talking about the dangers of being chronically online & using parasocial relationships with media or people to trauma dump into a void that they never fully healed from. It's taking me forever to figure out why I'm annoyed with Taylor swift's fans and I think this is the answer. Like they're obsessed with her & I find it really sad how they cling to her like she's a god. Like I feel like this goes back to the iPad generation that had lack of real connections and now they cling to these fake things to fill the void...it's fucking weird.
It's not the "iPad generation". Gen z is the one obsessing over Taylor Swift and sexualizing Jacob Elordi, not a bunch of elementary schoolers. 💀 We can't just blame gen alpha for all our problems all the time because we wanna avoid responsibility.
I have not seen Jacob Elordi in anything, but he seems like an exceptional actor from what I have heard and seen. I also agree with everything you've been saying. I was introduced to your channel by a friend of mine, and I take all her recommendations extremely seriously, everything she recommends is always 100/10, and she was not wrong with this one either. You're really well spoken and articulate. I am subscribing!
“He got his big break in euphoria”
The 3 kissing booth movies: DO I MEAN NOTHING TO YOJ
This reminds me of that book tok thing where a hokey player got cat called a lot. So he's uncomfortable, but the PR team was sending these women free tickets and stuff, lol. It's like people don't care if it's happening to a man.
yess im so glad youre mentioning this,, when he was on snl there were a few skits that made me feel uncomfortable bc of how much they were sexualizing him,, it was so weird. im not a big fan but he def deserves more protection in this regard
Would you be willing to do a follow up deep dive into the point you raised about gen z’s all or northing relationship to sexuality? that’s such an interesting observation i would love to hear more of your thoughts about it!
another aussie here - something that may add context to his behaviour and upbringing is the high schools he attended are well-known for bad publicity and toxic cultures. not saying he was one of those students (he seems like a kind and openminded person) but i always felt thats why he was able to embody that type of asshole in euphoria.
ps, jackie-o sucks
I have a fanpage about Cillian Murphy and I think I'm the perfect delulu to say that, yes, they do not know how to behave themselves. I think it's more than okay to write/read your fanfics and thirst over a celebrity, but for the love of god DO NOT TAG THEM, I love some other actors and I've blocked them in my edit account because I simply think they deserve as much respect as the next person, and I try to keep my post's captions as "clean" as possible, yeah my behavior is not okay at all but I at least try to think how would I feel If I were in their shoes. Anyways, every day I feel grateful that Cillian doesn't have any type of social media, he doesn't deserve to witness all the gross things some ppl say about him (and no other celebrity should have to endure that)
LOL! That ending is outta control😂
Embracing chaos today, I appreciate it.
Look at Adam driver who played Kylo people were threatening his child and wife over a fake wanting of a relationship in a story
😹😹I like the way she just ignored the kissing booth
Yeah, as an Aussie I can confirm: Kyle and Jackie O are absolute trash.
"I think it would be my own personal nightmare to try to move through this world and keep to myself while thousands of strangers online are sexualizing me and making comments on every part of my body." THIS.
I blame The Kissing Booth for making Jacob Elordy a typecast of abusive young man, so now that image has been cemented in everyone's mind and the weirder people can't keep it in their pants anymore. You don't see this happening with the blonde actor of Red, White and Royal Blue, for example.
It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway: we would never tolerate a young female celebrity being treated this way. With the whole "daddy" thing, it seems like people on the internet think it's ok to objectify older men, or men in general, for some reason. It's gross all the way around.
AI generated images will only make this worst.
Can u do a video on Aaliyah her influence still lingers on today
Yeah!
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
Saltburn is an extremely underwhelming film that doesn't really say anything. Fake deep but looks really good
Women just gt away with this "daddy" bs. When some man calls a female icon "mommy" he is shamed to death and called a creep (even if the extent of which is probably wrong, I think it's good he doesn't get away with it.). And it is the same. There is almost as many guys with the same kink, arguably coming from parenthood issues. But again, if I called my gf mommy, she is no longer my gf, but I was called "daddy" and it made me massively uncomfortable.
Just… hearing or reading people say “daddy” or “mommy” makes me uncomfortable enough (but eh, they are fictional) BUT CALLING A REAL PERSON THAT? Those people have internet brainrot
Thank you for uploading this, I'm really into your content.
On the recent SNL episode he was on, most of the punchlines were that he was hott.......it was super cringe. At least they didn't make a gay joke I guess.
I do hope he moves past this role. Usually It boy roles don't last forever: especially when he gets older. So, I hope he gets amazing versatile roles that goes beyond female fandom.
im sorry gorl, these topics give me so much second hand embarrassment i gotta skip around 😂 i’ll tune in for the next one though! keep up the fun vids!
Also, get well soon!
Didn't Pedro Pascal have a very famous relationship with Lena Headey (Cersey) during Game of Thrones? Speaking of which, I can't fathom why it took The Mandalorian and The Last Of Us for people to appreciate him when we had Oberyn Martell right there from the start
The radio host is the worst. Crass, offensive, no empathy whatsoever. Drinks four litres of coke every day and wonders why he has anxiety. He would have known what he was getting into but I guess if you have a film to promote you just do it.
In my opinion, I think that fandom should be conducted in a similar manner that stage performers are expected to conduct themselves when they're backstage during a live performance - if you can see the audience, they can see you.
If you can see what your fave is doing on social media, they can see what you're doing, too.
Because, I'mma be be real here - I'm too grown to care about what Internet randoms are saying about their faves (in reason, of course). Like, saying someone is Zaddy^TM is not the end of the fucking world. And I say that because I've seen far too many people approach this topic with no kind of nuance, acting as if saying someone is hot and you'd maybe have sex with them, if given the chance, is equivalent to describing graphic sex acts that would make anyone uncomfortable.
But!! And this is the kicker - there is a time and a place for that shit. Specifically, in group chats and private forums where those celebrities can't see it!! Because, chances are, you are not the only person making a thirst post about a certain someone on social media. You're bound to find someone (a lot of someones) who are expressing the same thing. And that shit gets v overwhelming.
TL;DR - BRING BACK GROUP CHATS!! FANDOMS SHOULD NOT HAVE OPEN ACCESS TO THEIR FAVES!! OUR FAVES SHOULD NOT OPEN ACCESS TO THEIR FANDOM!! WHEN ARE WE GOING TO FUCKING LEARN THE SHIT NEVER ENDS WELL?!
EDIT - 7:53 is a prime example of why I have this stance. This should have never left a group chat (it should've never been said, period, but like Let's be forreal, bestie). If you're gonna say some shit like this, the least you can do is say it in a place where the person, in question, can't see it.
Tbh him and Sydney are facing the same fate... both are Just being objectified on based of thier bodies...
I think it has to be frustrating as an actor because he do so much work, trying to deliver the best performance and make the character as believable as possible and then every time you’re asked about the movie you’re asked about one specific scene and of course it’s a sexual scene. It to be so degrading and embarrassing after a while.
Don't objectify anyone in a boundary crossing way. You can find them attractive and follow their work, but at the end of the day they have value and are autonomous individuals who deserve respect and space from these kinds of violations.
He’s been too objectified in my opinion I mean he has to undress in every movie at this point it’s not attractive it just makes me uncomfortable for him
This is mostly touching on Pedro Pascal and peoples view of him, but I can't be the only one that hates the daddy and mommy objectification. It's just never been something I'll be able to understand. Why are you comparing someone you find attractive to a parental label? It's weird and has some very strange undertones that I don't think I'll ever be comfortable with. I cringe so hard every time someone calls a person they're attracted to mommy or daddy.
I don’t have a problem with people thirsting over actors in a private setting, but sometimes it feels like people are trying to one-up each other in the sort of extreme, meme-y way of sexualizing actors that gets so shocking that it draws people’s attention. Anything for internet points, I guess? In a way I don’t even have a huge problem with people thirsting over actors on their own social media, especially if they’re a small account and not tagging or directly interacting with the actor- if THOSE get picked up and then taken to be shown to the actor in some show format, I moreso blame the producers of that kind of show than the original users. Still, people should be cognizant of how social media works and how these actors are PEOPLE that exist in the world so there’s always a risk they’ll see whatever weird shit you’re saying about them.
I have the most beef with people who take this kind of language and then use it directly within the comment section of an actor, or even a random TikTok users, mentions. Like have some tact, bro, they do NOT want to see that shit. The hyper-sexualizing comments get so normalized as a “meme” that people think it’s alright to just straight up say to someone, but it is just so creepy in the context that you’re saying it RIGHT TO THEM. Like, are you expecting a response??? Are you expecting to elicit anything other than discomfort in them?
I think you can compliment a person without sexualising them. Most of these comments are seriously too much. You can call someone attractive without being disgusting. Seriously.
Now that we're living in a social media world/internet world/technology world, people are now forgetting that the people they see on screen are also humans. Internet thought us how to have double standard and it's crazy.
That isn’t a picture of the Australian radio hosts. That’s a pic of contestants from Married at first sight Australia. 9:50
Oh for real? Thanks for flagging. I wasn’t familiar with them and when I searched their names this came up, I assumed it was them. My bad.
that tweet is insanely disgusted . people are getting creepy on social media and fanfics too
your opinion is not prudish. i am not above having a celeb crush, its fine to find them attractive and like their work, but sexualizing them is just weirdddd. its especially weird when that person has a partner who can see that stuff on their timeline too...
The guy freaking out at the end was so funny to me! XD You clearly being sarcastic and then being confused at his reaction. XD Is adorable
07:53 That is just fucked up. Now i am aware of a incident where he liked a post of a friend with someone wearing blackface (the caption literally had a caption saying "man*gga) but that is just some twisted shit to say about anyone. I don't care if its a joke that's just fucked up and i wouldn't wish that on anyone. I don't think it's prudish to call out a person making a joke implying that he's been assaulted by a family member
Everything I’ve learned about this man, I’ve learned against my will
redemption from the kissing booth goes far
Didn’t KJ Apa delete his twitter because of stuff like this? 🤦🏻
I think in most capacity, we need to leave celebrities alone. They're not different than any of us aside from their glamorous jobs. People need to touch grass (myself included)
I feel like the overlap between people publicly tweeting these comments has a large overlap with "spicy booktok" or whatever.
I dont have any evidence, just vibes. I think its okay to be a little deranged about thinking someone is hot, but measures should be taken to make sure that person isnt going to see it, and that youre not confusing an actor with their characters.
I've never seen your videos before this, but wow it's so well crafted and, dare I say, nuanced??? I appreciate how you acknowledge the possible counterpoints people would have but you're right on the money. Just because someone has more power than you doesn't mean it's okay to sexually harass them. And it's unfortunate that a lot of what (sounds like) happened at the radio show is not seen as harassment, but it IS. They're HUMANS.
Okay hot take: (maybe not that hot) Saltburn smacks of rich people fetishising having their wealth forcibly taken from them. This is a documented common fantasy for people with wealth, especially inherited wealth (as is the case in Saltburn). I don’t think it’s necessarily a canonical interpretation within the film but I feel like it’s an element that can’t be ignored. Come at me.
I'm so out of this world. 😅 I didn't know Pedro Pascal existed.
kayla you are so correct, Perdo Pascal just got blown up completely and then blown to bits, we just get a new chew toy to chew on once in a while, and it must be horrible to be the appointed chew toy
People can't learn the difference between acknowledging someone is very attractive and has this mature hotness and downright dehumanizingly reducing them to their hotness, only to a dimension of being a daddy/mommy/hot chick, etc. Sure, call him a daddy, but a daddy with all his other qualities outside of just looking hot.
(holding up my hands to engage in fisticuffs) using saltscreen to prevent saltburn is the MOST important element of ANY skincare routine PERIODT
Ya stuff like this with the sexualization of certain men and how far it’s ok to take it, especially with celebrities is interesting it bleeds out into the real world to, like I have a friend who is for a lack of a better word, is super handsome, that sort of androgynous beauty that you see sometimes, and women (and men) will say crazy stuff to him, grab him, ask him to do things and say really crude stuff about him too his face, and according to him have been since he was like 12-13.
he’s used to it for the most part, but a big problem is the touching, because he was SA’d as a child by a family member and really hates being touched without his permission. Which escalated to when he was 14, he was in downtown SF, and this older woman (well of looking woman too apparently) slid her hand up his shorts, and he smacked her in the face.
Yep! I'm the same way, and (especially older women) will come up and say trifling shit to me. And I get it from my coworkers too. It's weird. I don't like it, but sometimes (rarely) I do. I don't know.
I have yet to be physically touched by any of them though.
What the hell
That tweet about Pedro had me on the floor
Edit: I know this comment contradicts the entire premise of this video. But wow, that person had me floored for a minute
saltburn is good looking aesthetically pleasing movie that has absolutely nothing to say about anything
I truly believe that ao3 and wattpad have had a big hand in people speculating about celebs’ sexuality. They want it to be true so that their creepy fantasies are validated. Larry and K-pop ships are clear evidences for this fact
this is tangentiel, but in his snl episode, 3 of the sketches were about how hot he is, and that annoyed me, like one sure, i get it, but 3? there have been a lot of hot people on snl and they don’t all get that
7:54 jaw dropped what in the hell
Wait I’m confused, does the salt burn? Or did the burn salt?
Seems like it would be common sense to not provoke a dude who is the size of a literal giant?