@@SamHeine they only released the datasets right, not the algorithm? If they released the algorithm, I’ll 100% get that running and post a tutorial for using it
@@ielohim2423 same! Anything above a light jog is completely unusable and the smartgloves produce zero usable hand animation… it’s rough…. That’s why I moved up to Xsens, but that’s a whole different level of pain with respect to suit cost and cost to process.
My initial reaction is it's a lot easier to work with, since Cyanpuppets has some steps required to get it up and running (especially since it runs on the local machine), and quality-wise, I think QM has superior foot-locking, but I'll add Cyanpuppets to my upcoming shootout video!
Can confirm, I’ve tried everything, quick magic by far was the best. (Anyways they’re using dancing because dancing is extremely complicated and has very nuanced fast/slow movement chops where if they are not cleanly represented, the dancing looks horrible) imo universally best to show capability
@@TheDiakou agreed! only thing to come close is Move One, but quickmagic’s interface and performance with dynamic movements/traversal is better for sure! Re: dancing: I found Kratos dancing gifs and couldn’t NOT use them :). Although I think dynamic movements combined with moving background are the hardest cases that really separate QM from most of the others
The reason they use dancing is probably because it's a Chinese company targeting Chinese content creators who obsess over MMD videos with 3D characters from various media (games, anime etc.) often dancing, so it's a real market. Bilibili is full of it, so I guess they hope for viral makreting this way. They might be also targeting western tiktokers, but those are now better served with video AI generation instead of going trough all this pain with 3D models, rigging and rendering. I guess some of AI mocap business plans are being eaten by other AI...
I know I chose two weeks in the poll But I take it back, I need a more consistent Threepeat flow Where do I access your Mocap cour.... nevermind just reached the end of the video😂
I’ve tried all of these ai mocaps , even a few that are in beta like remo capp and some not released yet , most of them have Finger tracking but it is horrible , I enjoy my rokoko smart suit pro 2 ! They have gotten way better updates and better foot lock !
I sold my ssp2 and got an Xsens Awinda... and then an Xsens Link suit. The processing costs are stupid, but the quality is so much better. Glad you're getting a good experience with the ssp2 though!
@@Crossfar I did a spinning leg sweep in the video and it did quite well. I’ve also seen it do well on flips and somersaults, and it’s not terrible with tornado kicks…. I’m going to do a shootout video between quickmagic and some of the other video mocap systems and will include several spinning animations
Is Quick Magic really better than Wonder Dynamics? I was planning to pay for a month of Wonder to try it, since it doesn't offer a free trial, but your video is making me confused. I thought it better handles videos where full body isn't visible all the time. Quick magic is a bit overzealous with anti-jitter filtering, so sometimes movements can get a bit robotic and snappy, but it's definitely impressive.
yeah it’s a lot better. not only that, but wonder requires undocumented pyrotechnics to get into unreal and onto a standard skeleton…. I tried to avoid doing a shootout video, but I guess I could if that’s of interest
re: quickmagic issues: that’s totally fair, if even a part of the head or leg goes out of frame, quickmagic assumes the person went absolutely bonkers…. but yeah, that stuff is pretty easy to fix. also, the hand posing isn’t the best all the time, but I’m so used to that with $5k meta gloves that I can’t knock quickmagic for that.
theres an affiliate, so I know is a bit hard to say... but is AI mocap really better than getting a suit? cause I have been saving for a Rokoko and.. if ur launching a full course on it, I'm kinda beginning to doubt
Oh, not hard to say at all, I'm not sponsored or anything, maybe I should make a full decision matrix video for ai mocap vs optical vs suits... Are you on the discord? If so, hit me up there and we can talk through it all in detail (I owned a smartsuit pro 2 with smartgloves and currently own both an xsens link and an xsens awinda suit with metagloves along with both the rokoko facecam and headrig). If you're not on the discord, we can talk through the comments here, it's just a little more difficult
My course will also apply to rokoko / xsens / etc suits as well, as at the end of the day mocap always has to be cleaned and polished and I'll cover the issues specific to those suits as well as AI mocap
@ You could do a comparison test. Marionette XR recently added the best hand capture I've ever seen from a single video. I also think the capture is very good and it is free during the pilot program.
The market is so competitive and fast. It’s incredible for indies!
Microsoft just came out with a ML software based system called SynthMoCap
@@SamHeine they only released the datasets right, not the algorithm? If they released the algorithm, I’ll 100% get that running and post a tutorial for using it
would love to see how this would do with combat in your course!
You will 100% get that in the course!
In 2020 Rokoko is the worst 2k I've ever spent.
@@ielohim2423 same! Anything above a light jog is completely unusable and the smartgloves produce zero usable hand animation… it’s rough…. That’s why I moved up to Xsens, but that’s a whole different level of pain with respect to suit cost and cost to process.
And me here having the dream of buying a rokoko suit.
Thank you for saying this, now I'll not want have one. Also too much money to spend.
@ really worth giving some cheaper options a try (quickmagic, move ai multicam if video mocap isn’t working for your case)
@@threepeatgames Thank you, I'll put it on mind.
@@threepeatgames hey, what do you think about mocopi from sony? Ofc For simple animations?
Impressive. Very nice.
so basicaly you take a shoot with your phone like some karate kid type shit and this magic do the job without having 2000 dollars costume :)))))) nice
@@MaxStudioCG2023 I should have just said that :)
👍👍👍
What’s your take on Cyan Puppets?
My initial reaction is it's a lot easier to work with, since Cyanpuppets has some steps required to get it up and running (especially since it runs on the local machine), and quality-wise, I think QM has superior foot-locking, but I'll add Cyanpuppets to my upcoming shootout video!
Yup i'm registering an account, thanks
Awesome!
Can confirm, I’ve tried everything, quick magic by far was the best. (Anyways they’re using dancing because dancing is extremely complicated and has very nuanced fast/slow movement chops where if they are not cleanly represented, the dancing looks horrible) imo universally best to show capability
@@TheDiakou agreed! only thing to come close is Move One, but quickmagic’s interface and performance with dynamic movements/traversal is better for sure! Re: dancing: I found Kratos dancing gifs and couldn’t NOT use them :). Although I think dynamic movements combined with moving background are the hardest cases that really separate QM from most of the others
The reason they use dancing is probably because it's a Chinese company targeting Chinese content creators who obsess over MMD videos with 3D characters from various media (games, anime etc.) often dancing, so it's a real market. Bilibili is full of it, so I guess they hope for viral makreting this way. They might be also targeting western tiktokers, but those are now better served with video AI generation instead of going trough all this pain with 3D models, rigging and rendering. I guess some of AI mocap business plans are being eaten by other AI...
@ that makes total sense. Also, kratos dancing makes it all worth it if I’m being honest
I know I chose two weeks in the poll
But I take it back, I need a more consistent Threepeat flow
Where do I access your Mocap cour.... nevermind just reached the end of the video😂
yeah, I’m likely just unleashing one monster video with the rest of the animations for the year…
I’ve tried all of these ai mocaps , even a few that are in beta like remo capp and some not released yet , most of them have Finger tracking but it is horrible , I enjoy my rokoko smart suit pro 2 ! They have gotten way better updates and better foot lock !
I sold my ssp2 and got an Xsens Awinda... and then an Xsens Link suit. The processing costs are stupid, but the quality is so much better. Glad you're getting a good experience with the ssp2 though!
Its good for simple motion but no twisting or turning right?
@@Crossfar I did a spinning leg sweep in the video and it did quite well. I’ve also seen it do well on flips and somersaults, and it’s not terrible with tornado kicks…. I’m going to do a shootout video between quickmagic and some of the other video mocap systems and will include several spinning animations
@threepeatgames that's actually super impressive given it only uses one camera... Awesome
Is Quick Magic really better than Wonder Dynamics? I was planning to pay for a month of Wonder to try it, since it doesn't offer a free trial, but your video is making me confused. I thought it better handles videos where full body isn't visible all the time. Quick magic is a bit overzealous with anti-jitter filtering, so sometimes movements can get a bit robotic and snappy, but it's definitely impressive.
yeah it’s a lot better. not only that, but wonder requires undocumented pyrotechnics to get into unreal and onto a standard skeleton…. I tried to avoid doing a shootout video, but I guess I could if that’s of interest
re: quickmagic issues: that’s totally fair, if even a part of the head or leg goes out of frame, quickmagic assumes the person went absolutely bonkers…. but yeah, that stuff is pretty easy to fix. also, the hand posing isn’t the best all the time, but I’m so used to that with $5k meta gloves that I can’t knock quickmagic for that.
theres an affiliate, so I know is a bit hard to say... but is AI mocap really better than getting a suit?
cause I have been saving for a Rokoko and.. if ur launching a full course on it, I'm kinda beginning to doubt
Oh, not hard to say at all, I'm not sponsored or anything, maybe I should make a full decision matrix video for ai mocap vs optical vs suits...
Are you on the discord? If so, hit me up there and we can talk through it all in detail (I owned a smartsuit pro 2 with smartgloves and currently own both an xsens link and an xsens awinda suit with metagloves along with both the rokoko facecam and headrig). If you're not on the discord, we can talk through the comments here, it's just a little more difficult
My course will also apply to rokoko / xsens / etc suits as well, as at the end of the day mocap always has to be cleaned and polished and I'll cover the issues specific to those suits as well as AI mocap
Try Marionette XR, AnimCraft and Video Mocap’s Cascadeur. All local!
Cascadeur is definitely not competitive with quickmagic, are animcraft or marionette XR as good as quickmagic?
@ You could do a comparison test. Marionette XR recently added the best hand capture I've ever seen from a single video. I also think the capture is very good and it is free during the pilot program.
Anyone know if there is somehow a way to pay with something other than paypal? 😭
Right below the pay with paypal, it says "Or Pay with credit/debit card", just click that
How are root constraints being handled with this software or will we have to import it to other apps?
@@TBDJeremy root isn’t being animated with the quickmagic output, so it’s like mixamo in that way
I use it too,
better than move AI?
move one is actually the second best IMO and outperforms quickmagic on some videos. quickmagic does the best across the widest variety of cases though
Yeah, move one is gonna die for sure.
@@GoldlimeDevhub that’s sad, move one is definitely the second best out of all of the ones I’ve tried
Rokoko is the worst AI mocap LOL. Quickmagic and Cascadeur better
Move one is also pretty good