The 3 looks really good. The ride hight is perfect. Nice job man. 5 commercials in less than 10 minutes is too much. TH-cam needs to knock off their shit!
Hey Brooks. I went the “lowering spring” route with the Unplugged springs, but I’ve gotta day, they beat up your stock suspension. My rear shock eventually failed. Also, ride was quite rough. I swapped out the suspension with MPP Coil Over setup. Not cheap... but Amazing! I made a video about it. I’ll post below.
The Model 3 stock suspension is a bit bumpy, but I've always wondered which coil overs were the better option - MPP vs UP. There's fanboys either way when you read the forums, mostly because everyone who buys something always thinks they made a good choice (presuming they don't totally suck)
Brian Good question. I haven’t experienced the coil over system from Unplugged, but can definitively state that the MPP setup gets The Model 3 closer to Euro spec handling (M3/C63AMG) levels. The biggest difference are the dampening and rebound. Night and day.
I don't own a Telsa, but I also went the "lower springs" route (even a small drop) on my Camaro SS (which A LOT of teens and younger drivers seem to think is "good" or "rides great" ride quality on the street (same exact drop springs), but for me (not a kids anymore) the ride was way too rough. I also went with fully adjustable (24 settings) coil overs, and they were substantially better. But I eventually ( set my car up for drag racing -my real hobby) took the coil overs out, and I couldn't believe how smooth my car rode (stock suspension). So the average person needs to think very hard before putting lowering springs or even coil overs on their "family car." Again, if it's a track car (you're serious about real track racing) then do whatever works best for your track setup.
I also had the full Eibach Pro-Plus kit on my 2018 Model 3 LR RWD which included the springs and sway bar set. IMO the car absolutely handled better and looked better with the Eibach setup, but here's why the user experience will vary, the key here is your base model car.... The full Performance Model 3 comes from the factory with a lower suspension (-1") and different tuned dampers for that drop than a RWD or standard Dual Motor car and because of this IMO the rebound effect is different depending on the vehicle type. I found that the Eibach setup in my 2018 LR RWD ride quality was about OEM with big road bumps, actually feeling less harsh than stock, but the rebound effect or hop got a bit old after a while. Also note that Eibach more recently modified the design of their rear sway bars to include lateral locks or stops so that the bar cannot slide within the bushings. I had my original bar replaced at no cost after contacting Eibach and them informing me of the V2 bar. Anyways, my setting for the LR RWD was middle hole on the front bar and outside (softer) hole on the rear bar. Tried the inside tighter hole in the rear for a bit ( yeah that's what he said haha) but found it added a bit too much road noise and rigidity so I reverted. Also good to know is that with this mild 1" drop you're alignment can be adjusted within factory specs or at least very close to not need any additional hardware such as camber arms, but you'll definitely want an alignment done after a few hundred miles AFTER install as the springs absolutely do settle over a few weeks. I took fender to ground measurements to prove it day of install and about 500mi later. Long story short (or maybe not so short), after selling the 2018 (with the Eibach suspension installed) and upgrading to the 2019 DM Stealth Performance would I go the Eibach route again? I would say I will PASS :( I'm just enjoying the OEM ride comfort more than the improved handling and cosmetic appeal. But as mentioned, if your base vehicle is the full Performance or P3D+ the Eibach setup will likely work out better for you with little to no ill effects. Hope this real world experience might be helpful to others on their aftermarket Tesla adventure or on the fence between lowering on springs alone or not. The proper alternative for all other models would be coilovers (UP/MPP/KW) which include tuned or adjustable dampers and matched springs to combat the negatives described above, but it'll come at a cost of about 4-5X that of springs alone.
Dragtimes Great Video I'm glad your Tesla Model 3 Performance is handling way better after you got some Lowering Springs and Sway Bars and It looks Awesome
Hello Brooks, new subscriber here. Looks like you’re in South Florida... I’m local as well in Ft. Lauderdale! Love your content man, great attention to detail, amazing choice of cars, and a true class act.
Having done competitive autocross for years, every weekend, never once have I seen a car get quicker from progressive lowering springs. I've seen hundreds of people say it feels better, but never seen it the cars actually go quicker. Usually it is worse as the suspension just can't work great when it is lower and not also a lot stiffer. On the other hand when people get linear rate racing coilovers, often massive improvements result. But it is bumpy! In this case, The DragTimes guy made 4 changes at once (wheels, tires, swaybars, and springs). Sway bars make *profound* changes in how a car feels, and sometimes in how quick it is too, sometimes not. Almost always feels more fun though. Tires are always the #1 thing for autocross lap times, aggressive alignment (max out negative camber) usually #2 thing. The 2g cornering improvement here is exactly what one would expect from the tire change made alone. Corollas will pull about 1.4gs with those tires. But lap times are about more than steady state cornering Gs!
Looks great! I just sold the stock 20" and put on grey turbine 18" on my Model 3 Performance. Cheaper, more comfortable and a bit lighter than the stock 20". Sway bars and lowering would be neat, but I think seats with more side support would be an even greater upgrade.
If you take off the inner liner and use something like dynamat (you don't even need to do the entire thing, just roughly 25% of the area), you will be using constraned-layer damping to prevent it from rattling due to the added mass.
Love this car. You can’t go wrong for the money and it’s super fast. Model 3 Performance the way to go. Can’t wait until this Model 3 ludicrous car to come out 2024 ⚡️⚡️⚡️😎
Hey when you guys do get to the Taycan vs S can you please do some 1/2 mile with full charge and some 1/4 at 50 percent really wanna see the performance differences? The S has a 17 percent more useable battery, a lot more power and lighter weight vs the Taycan with that second gear and would be really interesting how much performance drops between the two when they're not fully charged and prepped for sprints. Be safe..
It just goes incredibly well with this setup for road use and eventual track days. I have Eibach springs, MPP sway bars and more sportive brake pads and fluid and it just drives like a dream. Coilovers are fine with chamber adjustment as well for track use, but for road one... this is just a cheap mod that changes the car a lot for good (plus, driving efficiency improves quite a lot, over 10-15% in my case at 70-80mph cruising speeds).
Looks great. Wondering why you went with the unplugged sway bars over the Eibach ones given the Eibach springs. Do you know of a difference between the two?
It matches entry level supercars in straight line quarter mile performance only, real supercars are vastly superior in every other meaningful way. That being said these Teslas are great value for money.
@@Liberty_Prime_Is_Online and how many Supercars are truly "tracked". Even the manufacturers state less than 1% of all cars are ever tracked. #1 tracked car: MX5 Miata.
Brooks, Tali sson said it correctly. I think you need better seats to hold you in place with the higher G forces. Probably similar to your 720 S. I like my seats mounted lower than stock to keep me where I do not struggle with the steering in very hard L/R corners. Great videos!
I was hoping you would do a Model s Raven be Taycan drag race as you are a trusted source I haven’t seen anyone legitimately race the two yet wondering when someone will post something
Love the colour of Jason's Model S performance. Is that a custom paint job? Which colour is it? Also does he have a channel/Instagram where I can see it a bit better?
Model 3 looks good lowered, especially with that wheel combo. The RXT is looking sweet. Looking forward to the SeaDoo tests and drag race with the Yamaha!
I think we need to get together for some track days with the Tesla's at the track, set some ridiculous times (Teslatino, Raphael use to do lots of autocross back in the day, hes also interested)
Hey Brooks, great video again, Just a question, do you thing the angle of the drive shaft matters for the performance, hence lowering the height will change the angle to the wheel (may be positively) ?
Nice setup! How do you think the springs are driving in somewhat bad road conditions... like around a major city? I’m trying to figure out if the springs will handle well with the stock shocks or would they bottom out on bad roads.
Did you change you rear camber arms and toe arms when you lowered it? I lowered mine and rear was way off. Changed the stock ones to adjustable ones so they could adjust camber and toe.
DragTimes Here is a few links to what u need. Lowering the car changes these settings. Camber being off can cause less traction from the rear and tires to wear unevenly.
You've become such an authority in my brain that it makes me wonder if I'd been saying "fitment" incorrectly my whole life
You say it right. He says it wrong. lol
That really makes the 3 look outstanding. It looked good to begin with, but now it's in another league .
The 3 looks really good. The ride hight is perfect. Nice job man. 5 commercials in less than 10 minutes is too much. TH-cam needs to knock off their shit!
It’s not TH-cam. It’s the content creators that determine how much ads they want on their videos…
Hey Brooks. I went the “lowering spring” route with the Unplugged springs, but I’ve gotta day, they beat up your stock suspension. My rear shock eventually failed. Also, ride was quite rough. I swapped out the suspension with MPP Coil Over setup. Not cheap... but Amazing! I made a video about it. I’ll post below.
Should that say MPP instead of MMP?
The Model 3 stock suspension is a bit bumpy, but I've always wondered which coil overs were the better option - MPP vs UP. There's fanboys either way when you read the forums, mostly because everyone who buys something always thinks they made a good choice (presuming they don't totally suck)
Jim Wheeler Thx Jim! Yes indeed. Just made the tweak.
Brian Good question. I haven’t experienced the coil over system from Unplugged, but can definitively state that the MPP setup gets The Model 3 closer to Euro spec handling (M3/C63AMG) levels. The biggest difference are the dampening and rebound. Night and day.
I don't own a Telsa, but I also went the "lower springs" route (even a small drop) on my Camaro SS (which A LOT of teens and younger drivers seem to think is "good" or "rides great" ride quality on the street (same exact drop springs), but for me (not a kids anymore) the ride was way too rough. I also went with fully adjustable (24 settings) coil overs, and they were substantially better. But I eventually ( set my car up for drag racing -my real hobby) took the coil overs out, and I couldn't believe how smooth my car rode (stock suspension). So the average person needs to think very hard before putting lowering springs or even coil overs on their "family car." Again, if it's a track car (you're serious about real track racing) then do whatever works best for your track setup.
That's really nice i like the simply clean setup you have with your 3
eibach stance is my favorite for lowering springs on the Model 3. Good choice.
The wheels and lowering make it look fantastic!
I have the same wheels and am looking to lower my car now.
What wheels are that?
@@APRNVJ T sportline
I also had the full Eibach Pro-Plus kit on my 2018 Model 3 LR RWD which included the springs and sway bar set. IMO the car absolutely handled better and looked better with the Eibach setup, but here's why the user experience will vary, the key here is your base model car....
The full Performance Model 3 comes from the factory with a lower suspension (-1") and different tuned dampers for that drop than a RWD or standard Dual Motor car and because of this IMO the rebound effect is different depending on the vehicle type. I found that the Eibach setup in my 2018 LR RWD ride quality was about OEM with big road bumps, actually feeling less harsh than stock, but the rebound effect or hop got a bit old after a while. Also note that Eibach more recently modified the design of their rear sway bars to include lateral locks or stops so that the bar cannot slide within the bushings. I had my original bar replaced at no cost after contacting Eibach and them informing me of the V2 bar. Anyways, my setting for the LR RWD was middle hole on the front bar and outside (softer) hole on the rear bar. Tried the inside tighter hole in the rear for a bit ( yeah that's what he said haha) but found it added a bit too much road noise and rigidity so I reverted. Also good to know is that with this mild 1" drop you're alignment can be adjusted within factory specs or at least very close to not need any additional hardware such as camber arms, but you'll definitely want an alignment done after a few hundred miles AFTER install as the springs absolutely do settle over a few weeks. I took fender to ground measurements to prove it day of install and about 500mi later.
Long story short (or maybe not so short), after selling the 2018 (with the Eibach suspension installed) and upgrading to the 2019 DM Stealth Performance would I go the Eibach route again? I would say I will PASS :( I'm just enjoying the OEM ride comfort more than the improved handling and cosmetic appeal. But as mentioned, if your base vehicle is the full Performance or P3D+ the Eibach setup will likely work out better for you with little to no ill effects. Hope this real world experience might be helpful to others on their aftermarket Tesla adventure or on the fence between lowering on springs alone or not. The proper alternative for all other models would be coilovers (UP/MPP/KW) which include tuned or adjustable dampers and matched springs to combat the negatives described above, but it'll come at a cost of about 4-5X that of springs alone.
Dragtimes Great Video I'm glad your Tesla Model 3 Performance is handling way better after you got some Lowering Springs and Sway Bars and It looks Awesome
Hello Brooks, new subscriber here. Looks like you’re in South Florida... I’m local as well in Ft. Lauderdale! Love your content man, great attention to detail, amazing choice of cars, and a true class act.
Having done competitive autocross for years, every weekend, never once have I seen a car get quicker from progressive lowering springs. I've seen hundreds of people say it feels better, but never seen it the cars actually go quicker. Usually it is worse as the suspension just can't work great when it is lower and not also a lot stiffer. On the other hand when people get linear rate racing coilovers, often massive improvements result. But it is bumpy! In this case, The DragTimes guy made 4 changes at once (wheels, tires, swaybars, and springs). Sway bars make *profound* changes in how a car feels, and sometimes in how quick it is too, sometimes not. Almost always feels more fun though. Tires are always the #1 thing for autocross lap times, aggressive alignment (max out negative camber) usually #2 thing. The 2g cornering improvement here is exactly what one would expect from the tire change made alone. Corollas will pull about 1.4gs with those tires. But lap times are about more than steady state cornering Gs!
Looks great!
I just sold the stock 20" and put on grey turbine 18" on my Model 3 Performance. Cheaper, more comfortable and a bit lighter than the stock 20".
Sway bars and lowering would be neat, but I think seats with more side support would be an even greater upgrade.
Are your 18” turbine wheels from Tesla?
Andydv68 no, from Khan.
Seats w more support >>>>>
Please don’t install that huge wing on your clean Model 3.
I did T Sportline springs. Really want those sway bars next
Nice review - just seeing the lowering that has been done to my car and comparing
It looks good. I would add the carbon wing and the other carbon bits the guy showed you, that carbon glovebox was kind of sick.
Yay it's here!
If you take off the inner liner and use something like dynamat (you don't even need to do the entire thing, just roughly 25% of the area), you will be using constraned-layer damping to prevent it from rattling due to the added mass.
It’s Pat!!!
Love this car. You can’t go wrong for the money and it’s super fast. Model 3 Performance the way to go. Can’t wait until this Model 3 ludicrous car to come out 2024 ⚡️⚡️⚡️😎
that "fittiment" is on point
Can you add link to the wheels that are on the car? I like them a lot
Any issues with the springs now?
yo its my gfuel guy
Nice! The overall stance of the car looks perfect. Any issues going over speed bumps?
clears speed bumps easily...
Very nice fit-ta-mint!
Those wheels look so much better and it's sitting better lower too. How's ground clearance? Hitting/scraping on anything you weren't before?
You gotta test your model 3 against the track pack for a proper comparison
Coilovers is the way to go. You get a very rough ride when you lower with just the springs.
Hey when you guys do get to the Taycan vs S can you please do some 1/2 mile with full charge and some 1/4 at 50 percent really wanna see the performance differences?
The S has a 17 percent more useable battery, a lot more power and lighter weight vs the Taycan with that second gear and would be really interesting how much performance drops between the two when they're not fully charged and prepped for sprints.
Be safe..
Why not coilovers?
It just goes incredibly well with this setup for road use and eventual track days. I have Eibach springs, MPP sway bars and more sportive brake pads and fluid and it just drives like a dream. Coilovers are fine with chamber adjustment as well for track use, but for road one... this is just a cheap mod that changes the car a lot for good (plus, driving efficiency improves quite a lot, over 10-15% in my case at 70-80mph cruising speeds).
I never thought of seeing Brooks modifying his car
Hi Brooks, I really like your wheels. Also, you should get that rear wing, I heard it adds 45 bhp...butt-dyno horsepower.
the car looks awesome can't wait for your next post on the strip
Nice
Looks great. Wondering why you went with the unplugged sway bars over the Eibach ones given the Eibach springs. Do you know of a difference between the two?
Is the model 3 a Supercar? It just seems like a beast to me with the current state of your vehicle.
Better than a Supercar in every way
Tesla beats up on super cars on a regular basis! Best of all you get sedan practically along with the acceleration!
Electric is the future
It matches entry level supercars in straight line quarter mile performance only, real supercars are vastly superior in every other meaningful way.
That being said these Teslas are great value for money.
@@Liberty_Prime_Is_Online and how many Supercars are truly "tracked". Even the manufacturers state less than 1% of all cars are ever tracked. #1 tracked car: MX5 Miata.
Brooks, Tali sson said it correctly. I think you need better seats to hold you in place with the higher G forces. Probably similar to your 720 S. I like my seats mounted lower than stock to keep me where I do not struggle with the steering in very hard L/R corners. Great videos!
Love the wing!
Looks great !
I'd be curious if you're buying a Taycan Turbo S or a Performance S in the future?
Brooks will never get the Taycan, he's practically a Tesla salesman at this point xD
I´m not the biggest fan of the Model 3 but yours looks really good.
Have you ever driven one?
@@sooocheesy No, I have not. I was trying to say the model 3 is not my fav tesla. I prefer the model s and model x.
@@omarcortes5754 Model 3 is better than the S and X. Drive one and your mind will be changed.
@@InSaN3ViSioN I'm not talking about how it drives. I'm talking about how it looks. I don't like the design.
It's a grocery getter designed by soccer moms xD
Great..... unexpectedly good!
I was hoping you would do a Model s Raven be Taycan drag race as you are a trusted source I haven’t seen anyone legitimately race the two yet wondering when someone will post something
Thx for the video ( got me dizzy 🥴) lol Are you running a staggered fitment? I like that exact height for front and rear 👍😎
no, 20x8.5 and 245/35/20 all around...
DragTimes looks good. Stay safe
Man... you're tempting me to go buy a T.Y. !!!!
Great video! How’s the ride after the springs? I’m thinking about doing the same setup, but worried that the ride will become more bouncy
Can you list your tires, size, cost and spring costs? Nice setup too. That shop looks expensive but top notch.
Hi, could you share your wheel sizing and Offset please?
What size tires and wheels you have on now?
I can't find these wheels on the tsportline website
@dragtimes why didn't you go with the sway bars from Eibach?
Looks gorgeous!
What disk parameters do you have ?
Love the colour of Jason's Model S performance. Is that a custom paint job? Which colour is it? Also does he have a channel/Instagram where I can see it a bit better?
Eibach, nice choice , for me best 👍.
Can't wait to see the jet skis blast to 60 mph, go safely!
Very Tastefully done looks good
looks really good!👌🏼
Hi. How big is the gap on the front and rear AFTER the install? Great video btw!!
How is the ride after the replacement springs?
Model 3 looks good lowered, especially with that wheel combo.
The RXT is looking sweet. Looking forward to the SeaDoo tests and drag race with the Yamaha!
Man that blue is gorgeous! What color is that blue wrap?
Thanks for the in depth video. Are you still running this setup, with stock shocks? If so, how have you found the Eibach springs.
Might want to do MPP big brakes to drop weight in the axels a bit more.
It's all good then!
I think we need to get together for some track days with the Tesla's at the track, set some ridiculous times (Teslatino, Raphael use to do lots of autocross back in the day, hes also interested)
Didn't it already have sway bars stock? If yes, do you know the difference (more than " They are stiffer" ? Thanks, (Awesome video BTW)
UPP sways, any reason over Eibach? Deal, sponsor, choice? UPP also has super low springs put removes from menu when perf model picked.
How do you find the ride compared to stock please fella?
Why didn’t you go Eibach sways as well?
Hi there I am from Recife in Brazil South America, love your channel, don’t you have to get bilstein b8s installed?
Thank God your wheel & Tire installer did such a great job on that balance 😊
Sawgrass Mills?
Too bad you did not run the test without the sway bars... btw what’s the weight of sway bars?
Did you manage to get some timings after the modification with the springs and lighter battery plus rims? Compared to the stock timing?
Were you able to have the alignment corrected and in spec after lowering without having to purchase aftermarket adjustable camber/toe links?
You should check out DAErik Model 3 ran a faster time in Japan then a McLaren F1 on an F1 track. I don't know if you seen that video.
I wanted to know how much would it cost to wrap a Tesla Model Y?
Do you know if they trimmed the bump stops?
Hey Brooks, great video again,
Just a question, do you thing the angle of the drive shaft matters for the performance, hence lowering the height will change the angle to the wheel (may be positively) ?
Are the eibachs significantly lighter than oem springs?
Soon as I saw this title, I was interested. The scary thing is, with the battery sitting at the bottom, dropped Teslas always grab my attention.
Nice setup! How do you think the springs are driving in somewhat bad road conditions... like around a major city? I’m trying to figure out if the springs will handle well with the stock shocks or would they bottom out on bad roads.
is there a brand and colour code for that blue wrap?
Any specific reason for the Eibach springs? I was thinking about ordering the unplugged performance moderate springs for my performance model 3.
What are the chances the lowering springs screws with your warranty?
Which rims ? Are those the Tesla track rims?
Any camber issues lowering these cars?
Awesome dude thanks, look forward to tryin these out. Links to springs? Link to Signature?
I’m getting a really bad “clunk” noise on hard braking in my m3p. Ever get that before?
Nice. My brother did some mods on his rxp 300hp
Did you change you rear camber arms and toe arms when you lowered it? I lowered mine and rear was way off. Changed the stock ones to adjustable ones so they could adjust camber and toe.
no, more info?
www.mountainpassperformance.com/product/mpp-model-3-rear-toe-arms/
unpluggedperformance.com/product/billet-adjustable-rear-camber-arm-set-for-tesla-model-3/
DragTimes Here is a few links to what u need. Lowering the car changes these settings. Camber being off can cause less traction from the rear and tires to wear unevenly.
what is the name of that blue colour of the tesla
how are the eibachs so far, thinking about getting them now since eibach is down the street for me
awesome so far!
@@DragTimes I'm confused. How do I order your springs?
@@Tuck_Frump I bought them on the eibach website...
@@DragTimes thanks! Appreciate the response.
Where are you located?
Track time maybe? I think a second a lap minimum is expected in med to long track.
great vid, but for the love of god, please do some clockwise circles. my OCD was in full spaz mode!!!! lol
What's the name of the cell phone mount you are using? I like how it's a squeeze mount with ball on side
RAM Mount: amzn.to/3ctgmva
@@DragTimes Not the arm, but the squeeze mount that is holding the phone. Is it a Tri pod mount? Link for that?
@@DragTimes Would also like to know the phone mount. I already have the RAM arm
@@albertjonas1353 ah, this is it: amzn.to/3by3W3F
@@tustinranchcollision3370 amzn.to/3by3W3F
How much camber shows up after the drop and correcting the alignment?
What are the wheel/ tire specs ??
Any differences in alignment after bolting it all on? More camber?