One Thai Sentence to Fix Them All | Game of Phones ด ต ท บ ป พ จ ช

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  • There are some sounds in Thai, no matter how many times you practice them and THINK that you're saying them correctly, locals still struggle to work out what you're saying. You might tell them you want to go to Soi 11, and they take you to Soi 18.
    After having done so many analyses these past few weeks on people's Thai from all over the world, I constructed ONE sentence that embodies many of the key 'pain points' that learners experience. I call it the 'Game of Phonemes' or 'GAME OF PHONES' for short :)
    People from all over the world with different mother tongues and dialects have sent me language specimens of the same sentence. I will analyse each one - each one bringing with it unique areas that need to be tweaked for maximum comprehension. I hope that this clip at the very least can serve as a definitive guide to pronouncing บ b ป bp พ p, ด d ต dt ท t as well as จ j and ช ch properly once and for all. Note - I will generally use the Paiboon transliteration system here (as I have just now), but in the clip, there are some points where I need to use IPA - it will be apparent.
    Video Timeline Chapters
    00:00 Game of Phones Overview
    01:15 Phonological breakdown Overview of น n ด d ต t ท th มm บ b ป พ ph จ c ช ch
    06:48 'The Sentence' Analysis ผมต้องจ่าย 18 บาท ต่อไปป้าจ่าย 11 บาทก็ได้
    06:56 Google Text To Speech - Thai (TTS)
    07:23 Apple Mac OSX Say Text To Speech TTS - Kanya Voice
    07:56 Voice Sample 'Fourhundredmangoes'
    09:09 Voice Sample - Pete (Taiwan - Native Mandarin Speaker)
    10:53 Voice Sample - Ren (Singaporean)
    12:48 Voice Sample - Rob (UK English Speaker)
    15:10 Voice Sample - Standlay
    16:13 Voice Sample - Uberbeck
    17:38 Voice Sample - Wheric
    19:06 Overview / Debrief
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  • @krittapasboonpasart7991
    @krittapasboonpasart7991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I'm a native Thai speaker, but I've learned surprisingly a lot about my language watching your videos. 😂 Thanks Stuart!

    • @khaoklong4257
      @khaoklong4257 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too
      เหมือนกันครับ

  • @bradalexander3446
    @bradalexander3446 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I live in Thailand and I have been struggling. I speak several other languages but Thai has eluded me, especially the alphabet. Your method of teaching is completely different from others and I thank you!

  • @AlphACH
    @AlphACH 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You literally blow my mind about my own language!!! Nice!
    For Thais, we have more problem of "11 and 17", in the way that in military, they use สิบหนึ่ง for 11.
    And yeah, at 20:41... Really, we have no idea at all.

  • @selfhosted918
    @selfhosted918 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I've been studying Thai for a week now and I got the story about Soi 11 and Soi 18! "Sip et" vs "Sip bpaaet" - Thanks for the video!

    • @StuartJayRaj
      @StuartJayRaj  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yeah...I think it came out really clearly with some of the samples in here

  • @ktb7234
    @ktb7234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm a Thai (born and grow in Bangkok).
    3:24 For ต เต่า, my tongue isn't on my teeth. I don't think other Thai people pronounces like that either. However, the sound you make is fine. If I didn't see your mouth, I would hardly tell the difference. But when you make the sound เตอะๆ instead of ตอ, it can be easily point out that it's incorrect.
    4:57 For พ พาน, I think the puff of air is too much making it sound a little bit weird. But you say "พ พาน" accurately at 5:00.
    Anyway, thank you for sharing Thai language to the world.

  •  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    wooow, as someone who grew up speaking german with a thai mother, i never got my head around how she got confused when i was mispronouncing ด and ต. your explanation of the origin of ด and บ blew my mind, it makes so much sense now! thanks a lot!

    • @StuartJayRaj
      @StuartJayRaj  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fantastic! Hearing that makes it all worthwhile - it's the little things that make all the difference

  • @igandee5383
    @igandee5383 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    iv'e read a few missionaries scripts which broke down the Thai language from a few hundred years ago.I think you have influenced the world about languages with the same informative power.Great stuff and people like yourself never retirer,star quality.

  • @jimilite
    @jimilite 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes … fantastic
    I love your depth of perception and understanding
    Very very useful thank you

    • @StuartJayRaj
      @StuartJayRaj  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Jim. Let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to cover.

  • @road-koansandsignsoflife2614
    @road-koansandsignsoflife2614 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Excellent video!
    I really appreciate the contrasting of similar sounds!
    I'm making notes!

    • @StuartJayRaj
      @StuartJayRaj  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you - crystalising it like this can be very helpful. If I were learning other languages, I'd love to see data like this.

  • @chawatt.3810
    @chawatt.3810 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Many who are listening to you are actually Thais, including me😄

  • @randalllankford1450
    @randalllankford1450 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    มีประโยชน์ขอบใจจ้ะ

    • @StuartJayRaj
      @StuartJayRaj  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ขอบคุณครับ

  • @grunezunge
    @grunezunge 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent video than you for helping to clarify this pronunciation issue

  • @FrazerHatyai
    @FrazerHatyai 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    great video! so helpfull

  • @erturtemirbaev5207
    @erturtemirbaev5207 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you

  • @exploring_thailand
    @exploring_thailand 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Extremely helpful, thanks a lot. What is the software you are using for the spectrogram?

    • @StuartJayRaj
      @StuartJayRaj  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you. I use Adobe Audition - it's very easy to use and always reliable. Some of the other tools out there can be glitchy.

  • @alonebutalive7680
    @alonebutalive7680 ปีที่แล้ว

    ละเอียด สุดๆ

  • @bhiebkk1830
    @bhiebkk1830 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you! Well done! I have been looking for the theory that /d/ is derived from a glottalized n and that /b/ comes from a glottalized m. Is it from J Marvin Brown's PhD thesis from 1963?

  • @blenderconch
    @blenderconch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is truly vital info!

    • @StuartJayRaj
      @StuartJayRaj  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks - the samples in there are great - and I have actually received many more that I might do a 'part 2'

  • @emlynjessen2957
    @emlynjessen2957 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks. I’ve listened to so many Thai dramas that I’m starting to identify what you are talking about. I would like to speak Thai like Mew Suppasit because his accent sounds so good. One question though, in written Thai how do you know when one word finishes and another begins, because they don’t separate them out.

    • @misterdeedee2404
      @misterdeedee2404 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      First of all and I'm pretty sure that's the most important to know what should to be finished or begin....is "get used to it" .
      Learn , practice , read , write and listen ...a lot will help you so so so much.
      The other thing is....sentence or word space .
      On the other hand, wrong space within sentence or word will lead to huge mistaken understandings,so you have to be accustomed to Thai dramas ,Thai language as you've practiced it.
      Wish you all the best success, Emlyn.

    • @igandee5383
      @igandee5383 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There's only a few sound endings in Thai,thus enabling you to know when the word starts and finishes

    • @blackwhite5180
      @blackwhite5180 ปีที่แล้ว

      look at the vowel and ending consonant.

  • @oleksijm
    @oleksijm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Friggin hell. Thai is almost rocket science.

  • @klausg
    @klausg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, write sentence out and drill it over and over. Many thanks

  • @1982spqr
    @1982spqr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic content.... you forced me to go back and drill the alphabet.

  • @Wittokun
    @Wittokun 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think the problem with the word สิบเอ็ด for foreigners is that they slur the final บ of สิบ to the next syllable เอ็ด. So it becomes like เบ็ด which is similar to แปด.

    • @user-co2ef5rc7m
      @user-co2ef5rc7m 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      คุณไกรวิทย์ , สิบเบ็ด is understandable for the native คนกรุงเทพ. คนกรุงเทพแต่กำเนิดออกเสียงแบบนี้จริงๆ . Recently, some Thai students in KU cannot understand what I am saying because they are from the remote provinces as คน ตจว.

    • @Wittokun
      @Wittokun 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-co2ef5rc7m I'm also a Bangkoker but I don't usually say สิบเบ็ด. Maybe it happens when I pronounce quickly. I agree that it's still understandable for Bangkokers but I don't know about Thais in other provinces. It depends on many factors like vowels เ- และ แ- etc.

    • @user-co2ef5rc7m
      @user-co2ef5rc7m 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Wittokun I mean...
      Preschool, 11 is pronounced as สิบเบ็ด.
      Post-school, 11 must be pronounced as สิบเอ็ด.😄😆😁
      Mother tongue vs Teacher tongue !

  • @erturtemirbaev5207
    @erturtemirbaev5207 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you from Kyrgyzstan 🇰🇬

  • @franek1643
    @franek1643 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good lesson, although hard for me to reproduce myself.
    ผอ ผึ้ง and พอ พาน are the same?

    • @StuartJayRaj
      @StuartJayRaj  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The actual onset of ผ พ are the same - พ used to be a 'b' in ancient times (and represents b from Pali / Sanskrit ... and in Turn , พ in Pali often represents ว in Sanskrit). The difference is in the tone contours. Check out the clip I did of the UK Ambassador - I have tone charts there - you can see the difference in pitch contours for high class ผ vs. low class พ

  • @chosenfews
    @chosenfews 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is awesome and i needed this

  • @58seagull
    @58seagull 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

  • @davegraham7550
    @davegraham7550 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Above the world the eagle soars in an arc looking down on the view with it's excellent vision...an English sentence with 11 vowel sounds depending on who your mother is.

    • @davegraham7550
      @davegraham7550 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      say, sigh, so, sewer (waste water), sow(pig), sear, seal, soy. 8 main dipthongs ... two heteronym examples there..

    • @davegraham7550
      @davegraham7550 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      One of those reference a sentences matches to a major scale going up and down while the other matches to the tune "jingle bells".

  • @wheric
    @wheric 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the suggestions on mine(last one). :-) . I should have noted my name and nationality(American) on Discord.

    • @StuartJayRaj
      @StuartJayRaj  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ahhh brilliant . I'll add it in

  • @penzo1110
    @penzo1110 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your slip into cockney had me rolling 😭

  • @markgower2538
    @markgower2538 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You could also talk about liaison between vowels and consonants and how this doesn't happen in Thai compared to many European languages (liaison creates a veneer of fluency or speed). The confusion between 11 and 18 for me is more to do with the link between "p "and the following "e" or "air" vowel - stop the liaison and focus instead on pronouncing the correct following vowel and you lose the confusion.

  • @andrewryan7583
    @andrewryan7583 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’d like to join you on the other side but. I’m almost computer illiterate. Might hove to stick to pimslers Thai

  • @kriswillems5661
    @kriswillems5661 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    กะได้ is also used by some Thai people. I think the foreigners in your clip are pretty good.

    • @StuartJayRaj
      @StuartJayRaj  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah... I have to be careful where I put the bar in these too... vowel position and colloquial variants.

    • @JakeeTV
      @JakeeTV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As a Thai, I just noticed that most of us say กะได้ I think because it's easier and faster to pronounce. And also it sounds not too formal when we talk to someone very close to us. BTW I don't know why TH-cam bring me here. hahaha

    • @tonymeesup2952
      @tonymeesup2952 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think the question that you just raise up now
      is very commend for a new generation or capital city people
      For exp: "หรือเปล่า" most people say "รึป่าว" or "รึเป่า"
      also I think it's happen with many languages
      For example in French in the correct way to say
      "I DON'T KNOW" you should say "Je ne sais pas"
      but most Parisien say "Je sais pas"
      or "YOU HAVE EATEN" you should say "Tu as mangé "
      but they say "T'a mangé"
      This is the evolution of language which is popular
      in a certain peroid of time

    • @DarkKhunLek
      @DarkKhunLek 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I say ก็ได้ > ก้อได้ standard, clear way
      > กะได้/เกาะได้/ก่าได้ to very close friends (it also contains subtle meaning)

    • @bpin5191
      @bpin5191 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tonymeesup2952 หรือเปล่า--->เปล่า--->ปะ

  • @davegraham7550
    @davegraham7550 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the example sentence?

    • @StuartJayRaj
      @StuartJayRaj  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have it in the clip there with translation and transliteration...a bit of a nonsense sentence but contains a lot of important areas of articulation

    • @davegraham7550
      @davegraham7550 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I will search again

    • @davegraham7550
      @davegraham7550 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      My screen is very small. I can see the sentence now..thank you

  • @maxkim7937
    @maxkim7937 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    lol koreans could watch this and use that to teach korean. our ㄴ,ㄷ,ㄸ,ㅌ,ㅁ,ㅂ,ㅃ,ㅍ,ㅅ,ㅆ,ㅈ,ㅉ,ㅊ,ㄱ,ㄲ,ㅋ,ㅇ,ㅎ,ㄹ,ㅀ,ㄼ,ㄺ,ㄽ,ㅄ could really use a system like this

  • @maxkim7937
    @maxkim7937 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    so the difference between 11 and 18 is like 십일(sip il) to 십팔(sip pal) but less distinct lol