One Thai Sentence to Fix Them All | Game of Phones ด ต ท บ ป พ จ ช
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มิ.ย. 2024
- There are some sounds in Thai, no matter how many times you practice them and THINK that you're saying them correctly, locals still struggle to work out what you're saying. You might tell them you want to go to Soi 11, and they take you to Soi 18.
After having done so many analyses these past few weeks on people's Thai from all over the world, I constructed ONE sentence that embodies many of the key 'pain points' that learners experience. I call it the 'Game of Phonemes' or 'GAME OF PHONES' for short :)
People from all over the world with different mother tongues and dialects have sent me language specimens of the same sentence. I will analyse each one - each one bringing with it unique areas that need to be tweaked for maximum comprehension. I hope that this clip at the very least can serve as a definitive guide to pronouncing บ b ป bp พ p, ด d ต dt ท t as well as จ j and ช ch properly once and for all. Note - I will generally use the Paiboon transliteration system here (as I have just now), but in the clip, there are some points where I need to use IPA - it will be apparent.
Video Timeline Chapters
00:00 Game of Phones Overview
01:15 Phonological breakdown Overview of น n ด d ต t ท th มm บ b ป พ ph จ c ช ch
06:48 'The Sentence' Analysis ผมต้องจ่าย 18 บาท ต่อไปป้าจ่าย 11 บาทก็ได้
06:56 Google Text To Speech - Thai (TTS)
07:23 Apple Mac OSX Say Text To Speech TTS - Kanya Voice
07:56 Voice Sample 'Fourhundredmangoes'
09:09 Voice Sample - Pete (Taiwan - Native Mandarin Speaker)
10:53 Voice Sample - Ren (Singaporean)
12:48 Voice Sample - Rob (UK English Speaker)
15:10 Voice Sample - Standlay
16:13 Voice Sample - Uberbeck
17:38 Voice Sample - Wheric
19:06 Overview / Debrief
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I'm a native Thai speaker, but I've learned surprisingly a lot about my language watching your videos. 😂 Thanks Stuart!
Me too
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I live in Thailand and I have been struggling. I speak several other languages but Thai has eluded me, especially the alphabet. Your method of teaching is completely different from others and I thank you!
You literally blow my mind about my own language!!! Nice!
For Thais, we have more problem of "11 and 17", in the way that in military, they use สิบหนึ่ง for 11.
And yeah, at 20:41... Really, we have no idea at all.
I've been studying Thai for a week now and I got the story about Soi 11 and Soi 18! "Sip et" vs "Sip bpaaet" - Thanks for the video!
yeah...I think it came out really clearly with some of the samples in here
I'm a Thai (born and grow in Bangkok).
3:24 For ต เต่า, my tongue isn't on my teeth. I don't think other Thai people pronounces like that either. However, the sound you make is fine. If I didn't see your mouth, I would hardly tell the difference. But when you make the sound เตอะๆ instead of ตอ, it can be easily point out that it's incorrect.
4:57 For พ พาน, I think the puff of air is too much making it sound a little bit weird. But you say "พ พาน" accurately at 5:00.
Anyway, thank you for sharing Thai language to the world.
wooow, as someone who grew up speaking german with a thai mother, i never got my head around how she got confused when i was mispronouncing ด and ต. your explanation of the origin of ด and บ blew my mind, it makes so much sense now! thanks a lot!
Fantastic! Hearing that makes it all worthwhile - it's the little things that make all the difference
iv'e read a few missionaries scripts which broke down the Thai language from a few hundred years ago.I think you have influenced the world about languages with the same informative power.Great stuff and people like yourself never retirer,star quality.
Yes … fantastic
I love your depth of perception and understanding
Very very useful thank you
Thanks Jim. Let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to cover.
Excellent video!
I really appreciate the contrasting of similar sounds!
I'm making notes!
Thank you - crystalising it like this can be very helpful. If I were learning other languages, I'd love to see data like this.
Many who are listening to you are actually Thais, including me😄
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excellent video than you for helping to clarify this pronunciation issue
great video! so helpfull
Thank you
Thank you
Extremely helpful, thanks a lot. What is the software you are using for the spectrogram?
Thank you. I use Adobe Audition - it's very easy to use and always reliable. Some of the other tools out there can be glitchy.
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Thank you! Well done! I have been looking for the theory that /d/ is derived from a glottalized n and that /b/ comes from a glottalized m. Is it from J Marvin Brown's PhD thesis from 1963?
This is truly vital info!
Thanks - the samples in there are great - and I have actually received many more that I might do a 'part 2'
Thanks. I’ve listened to so many Thai dramas that I’m starting to identify what you are talking about. I would like to speak Thai like Mew Suppasit because his accent sounds so good. One question though, in written Thai how do you know when one word finishes and another begins, because they don’t separate them out.
First of all and I'm pretty sure that's the most important to know what should to be finished or begin....is "get used to it" .
Learn , practice , read , write and listen ...a lot will help you so so so much.
The other thing is....sentence or word space .
On the other hand, wrong space within sentence or word will lead to huge mistaken understandings,so you have to be accustomed to Thai dramas ,Thai language as you've practiced it.
Wish you all the best success, Emlyn.
There's only a few sound endings in Thai,thus enabling you to know when the word starts and finishes
look at the vowel and ending consonant.
Friggin hell. Thai is almost rocket science.
Yes, write sentence out and drill it over and over. Many thanks
Fantastic content.... you forced me to go back and drill the alphabet.
I think the problem with the word สิบเอ็ด for foreigners is that they slur the final บ of สิบ to the next syllable เอ็ด. So it becomes like เบ็ด which is similar to แปด.
คุณไกรวิทย์ , สิบเบ็ด is understandable for the native คนกรุงเทพ. คนกรุงเทพแต่กำเนิดออกเสียงแบบนี้จริงๆ . Recently, some Thai students in KU cannot understand what I am saying because they are from the remote provinces as คน ตจว.
@@user-co2ef5rc7m I'm also a Bangkoker but I don't usually say สิบเบ็ด. Maybe it happens when I pronounce quickly. I agree that it's still understandable for Bangkokers but I don't know about Thais in other provinces. It depends on many factors like vowels เ- และ แ- etc.
@@Wittokun I mean...
Preschool, 11 is pronounced as สิบเบ็ด.
Post-school, 11 must be pronounced as สิบเอ็ด.😄😆😁
Mother tongue vs Teacher tongue !
Thank you from Kyrgyzstan 🇰🇬
Thank YOU!
Good lesson, although hard for me to reproduce myself.
ผอ ผึ้ง and พอ พาน are the same?
The actual onset of ผ พ are the same - พ used to be a 'b' in ancient times (and represents b from Pali / Sanskrit ... and in Turn , พ in Pali often represents ว in Sanskrit). The difference is in the tone contours. Check out the clip I did of the UK Ambassador - I have tone charts there - you can see the difference in pitch contours for high class ผ vs. low class พ
This is awesome and i needed this
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thanks Peter!
Above the world the eagle soars in an arc looking down on the view with it's excellent vision...an English sentence with 11 vowel sounds depending on who your mother is.
say, sigh, so, sewer (waste water), sow(pig), sear, seal, soy. 8 main dipthongs ... two heteronym examples there..
One of those reference a sentences matches to a major scale going up and down while the other matches to the tune "jingle bells".
Thanks for the suggestions on mine(last one). :-) . I should have noted my name and nationality(American) on Discord.
Ahhh brilliant . I'll add it in
Your slip into cockney had me rolling 😭
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You could also talk about liaison between vowels and consonants and how this doesn't happen in Thai compared to many European languages (liaison creates a veneer of fluency or speed). The confusion between 11 and 18 for me is more to do with the link between "p "and the following "e" or "air" vowel - stop the liaison and focus instead on pronouncing the correct following vowel and you lose the confusion.
I’d like to join you on the other side but. I’m almost computer illiterate. Might hove to stick to pimslers Thai
กะได้ is also used by some Thai people. I think the foreigners in your clip are pretty good.
yeah... I have to be careful where I put the bar in these too... vowel position and colloquial variants.
As a Thai, I just noticed that most of us say กะได้ I think because it's easier and faster to pronounce. And also it sounds not too formal when we talk to someone very close to us. BTW I don't know why TH-cam bring me here. hahaha
I think the question that you just raise up now
is very commend for a new generation or capital city people
For exp: "หรือเปล่า" most people say "รึป่าว" or "รึเป่า"
also I think it's happen with many languages
For example in French in the correct way to say
"I DON'T KNOW" you should say "Je ne sais pas"
but most Parisien say "Je sais pas"
or "YOU HAVE EATEN" you should say "Tu as mangé "
but they say "T'a mangé"
This is the evolution of language which is popular
in a certain peroid of time
I say ก็ได้ > ก้อได้ standard, clear way
> กะได้/เกาะได้/ก่าได้ to very close friends (it also contains subtle meaning)
@@tonymeesup2952 หรือเปล่า--->เปล่า--->ปะ
What is the example sentence?
I have it in the clip there with translation and transliteration...a bit of a nonsense sentence but contains a lot of important areas of articulation
I will search again
My screen is very small. I can see the sentence now..thank you
lol koreans could watch this and use that to teach korean. our ㄴ,ㄷ,ㄸ,ㅌ,ㅁ,ㅂ,ㅃ,ㅍ,ㅅ,ㅆ,ㅈ,ㅉ,ㅊ,ㄱ,ㄲ,ㅋ,ㅇ,ㅎ,ㄹ,ㅀ,ㄼ,ㄺ,ㄽ,ㅄ could really use a system like this
so the difference between 11 and 18 is like 십일(sip il) to 십팔(sip pal) but less distinct lol