MIKE MENTZER: AN EARLY BODYBUILDING SEMINAR (1981)
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In this information-packed seminar, delivered a mere 5 weeks after the infamous 1981 Mr. Olympia contest (and 11 months after the 1980 Mr. Olympia fiasco), Mike Mentzer came to Rexdale, Ontario to give a bodybuilding seminar. There were approximately 40 people in attendance, including me, and we were impressed with how much training and nutrition information he imparted. In this seminar, Mike covered the following topics:
Gaining muscle is a slow process
Realistic expectations from your bodybuilding training
Nutrition for muscle-building
Calorie reduction for fat loss (with insights into how he dieted for the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest)
The importance of carbohydrates in bodybuilding exercise
The real role of protein in the bodybuilder’s diet
Thoughts on the controversial 1981 Mr. Olympia competition
The Colorado Experiment
Intensity and duration as factors in training
How physiologically we are all essentially the same, thus making our training requirements practically identical
Close-grip versus Wide-grip chins: which is better?
E-Z Curl bars versus straight bars: which is better?
Muscle fiber types and training
Hypertrophy or hyperplasia?
The threat of overtraining
This is Mike at his extemporaneous and articulate best.
I recorded this on cassette, seated on the floor about twenty to thirty feet away from Mike, so the audio quality is what it is but the content is wonderful. Note: While I have posted this content in two-parts elsewhere on this channel, this is the first time this seminar has been presented altogether in its entirety.
To see more of Mike Mentzer check out these videos by Wayne Gallasch of GMV:
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MIKE & RAY MENTZER - GYM WORKOUT DOWNLOAD (V-121) tinyurl.com/2ua...
MIKE MENTZER - FINAL CHAPTER DOWNLOAD (V-208) tinyurl.com/yc4...
Just by listening to Mike Mentzer and applying his principles of bodybuilding, it is incredible how many crappy YT channels you can discard about bodybuilding. Thanks Mike, everything is clear now.
So true, some of them are just entertainment and waste of time.
hate those clowns
Also have a look into Artur Jones, Dorian Yates and John Little. All are based on HIT
@@LiterarischeAktionThis is John Little
everything great will only ever been known by the few
This is such a gem!!!!!!! I love the ending where he was giving tips to steal negatives at the end after positive failure. I been assisting my other arm for awhile. Feels great knowing me and the great and powerful Mike thought alike. ❤ God bless you Mike. Wherever you are.
Mike was the science teacher that I’ve always needed.
Impossible to put a price tag on this, it's valuable beyond belief! Thank you so much, John!
You're welcome!
@@solman-sf4lju need protein for every single cell in your body. U dont just eat 16gr of protein cause u want to gain 16gr of muscle that that. U know this right? Humans by default need around 100-130gr of protein just to survive. Then when ur training u breakdown lot of muscle and protein so extra protein is needed to recover and then u need extra protein to GROW
@@solman-sf4lj i agree fully that humans can survive on very little. But thats not the point is it. We are commenting on a mime mentzer video and bodybuilding. That is thriving and optimizing, far far away from surviving. We can survive on 20gr a day probably but that isnt what we are talking about is it. We are talking about maximizing musclemass
@@solman-sf4lj i meant normal living. Not aushwitz survival.
Thank you John!
Mentzer absolutely blows up the protein hawks that have dominated the fitness industry for decades. His low carb diet observations are spot on.
Thank you so much for posting all this wisdom. I could’ve used this in my 20s. But I’m glad that at 40 I am seeing awesome results! You are the man, John.
You’re very welcome. Glad you like the content.
You're truly so amazing for the content you post. Thank you so much for keeping this great mans mind alive for all the world to marvel at@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
His ethics in body building is really inspiring. I've gain more gains doing his techniques. Amazing.
Yet they call it outdated? It’s clearly effective and he speaks so intellectually and has an excellent way of teaching it. He did a lot of studying to get this level of understanding. I think we can all appreciate how he did the time to learn it and present it to us so eloquently for us to understand.
Watching these videos are the only thing keeping me motivated in between workouts.
After 1 training session on bench (205), my next session, I was now bench pressing (225) for repetitions. Its exciting to see rapid progression in such a short amount of time while normally you would have to grind for longer periods of time to make such a staggering increase in a lift. (All my other lifts and exercises are also making the same improvements as bench). I just wanted to share my personal experience to help persuade people to try his way of training.
Thanks for your post and congratulations on your progress.
How many months/weeks has it been since your implementation of mentzers program. And also did you start with his “Ideal” program training 3 days a week in total or training day back & biceps Monday and then 4-7 days later training chest & triceps?. And I you don’t mind me asking how old are you?
Thanks
His training focuses on recovery I took 8 days away from the gym just to resume and I’m doing 50% more heavy weight than I was earlier from pushing 30kg to 57 kg all to 10 reps conveniently while doing slowly
@@paganizondasroadster1660 that’s insane! I’m on what Mike would call day 3 of his program (just started it 12 days ago) when I hit the bench press again I’ll be able to see for certain how well this program has been for me. I’ve noticed I’m a little bigger than I have been in the past during this recovery period as well. It’s really something seeing these results with literally only 3 days of workouts in the past month!
I know what I'm listening to on the way to work for the next few days. 😁
He's like my therapist. ❤
Im pissed off I didnt knew about Mike in my 20s. Been overtraining for years, not understanding why my chest didnt grow so I trained it more and more with no progress at all. Doing HIT for a year (with proper rest) and progressing like crazy
Thanks for your post.
Can ypu please explain your Training Routine incl. Rest Days? Thank You. Have the same Problem with my Chest.
Dude same. I’m 40 and just now training the Mentzer way, upping my carb intake, lowering my protein and fat intake as per recommended by Mentzer and already seeing strength gains as well as more definition.
Even after increasing carb intake and lowering protein & fat intake, I get zero sugar cravings and never crave junk food.
Thank you John, I'll make sure to watch this and listen carefully. I've adopted Heavy Duty for over 3 months now and you are a big part of me gathering knowledge about what Mike Mentzers was all about. Thank you once again.
No worries. Glad you are enjoying the content.
thank you very much for this john. this recordings that you keep putting out are priceless. ive recently switched to heavy duty myself, of course with some skepticism at first, but the results are amazing and i cant wait to see how much progress i have yet to make. greetings from argentina
You are very welcome. Congratulations on your success in training and thank you for your post.
Thank you so much John for bringing Mike's legacy, I'm grateful that I can listening to Mike's principles and philosophy. Now I can train as a hobby and also save much time for other things I want to do
This is gonna be awesome, thank you
God if u read this comment send Mike back please
Yeah if only. But at least we have these wonderful videos to keep us educated and inspired. The Heavy Duty college. Started by Mike's good friend John Little is INCREDIBLE.
@@fender1000100doctor mike has just found some old vhs tapes in his moms old attic in a box or his grans? of the Mighty Mike Mentzer in his prime but its spoiled the initial joy of having the pleasure of watching such awesomeness as you have endure Dr Mike's constant berating of said awesome via his needy reaction vids. I really like Dr mike but I think mike mentor and what he has been through, what he has acheived and what positivity he has brought to the sport and just who mr mentzer is as a person put him into a diferent league all together, top of the tree in my book. I could only manage a minute or so.😡
Amen brother 🙏
@fender1000100 god bless John Little
I absolutely love this and implement Mike's teachings ❤
Thank you Mike, thank you John I'll write a book about this later in my life and hopefully propagate Mike's philosophy ahead such that this is the only theory that lives
Amazing.
Thanks for the seminar John
You’re very welcome.
Thank you for your videos John. Good stuff as always
You’re welcome. I’m glad you are enjoying the content.
I had a five year anal cycle of workout sleep and diet and supplements.
I never got super strong or really big.
I was ripped and actually looked really good,
but truthfully not for all my dedication and work in my opinion.
After watching Mike, it clicked
I over over trained.
What a waste of good time and protein, that was.
I now work out when i am not sore
gaining muscle and strength
from 3x weekly workouts.
Way to go Mike
Anal?
Mr. Fitness is NOW closed. I live literally 1.5 km away from where it used to be. P.K.
It was a pretty good gym back in the day. It had a ton of Nautilus machines.
That pic @39:12 is so dope. Just the boys walking in to get it
Hey John, you should make a photo album of mike, and Ray’s training, and call it “Heavy Duty Collage.”
Long live mike
As for his explanation..... once you get to a certain level of muscularity it seems u require less food. Ive reached that point! Ive always assumed it was metabolism slowing due to age or my body just "getting used to being big" when I was 22 if I skipped 1 meal id drop weight. Now if i dont feel like eating i dont. And I stay huge. Interesting
It's about plateau and reaching your genetic potential. Once you've gained all the muscle you can, the maintenance of the mass requires fewer calories than growth.
Hello I have a question, I've been doing HIT for the last month and been also incorporating some changes yates made. I've read that you shouldn't be doing it more than 6 weeks because you stagnate and it's also hard on your body. So my question is, after those 6 weeks should I go back to a normal 3 sets, 8-12 reps and if so how long until I can incorporate HIT again?
I would say to incorporate a deload week every 4-8 weeks as Yates mentioned before. Or rest longer between workouts as Mentzer has mentioned before.
Mentzer actually discusses this in a different interview, he explains that deloading periods (or any periodization at all for that matter) are only necessary if you are overtraining to begin with. If you feel like your gains are plateauing, I’d try adding a rest day between workouts 👌🏻
Take a week off from tge gym
Hey John, I just finished reading your book Max Contraction Training and am going to start implementing it in my next workout. Is there anywhere I can still purchase your Max Straps or is there a brand available that you would recommend?
Tobad is Mike not here anymore, i would love to know what he thinks today imagine with TH-cam we would have interviews, tobad.
Being a body builder does what to the voice [55:25]
Mike says: “The steroids even cause your larynx, which is a muscle, to get thicker. You'll notice most bodybuilders have heavier voices; there’s a certain resonance to bodybuilders who take steroids - their voice. It's startling.”
John great content as always. Quick question have u known anyone to train once a month due to how intense the workouts are? Im finding its taking a long time to recover and can be hard on the cns
Recovery ability between sessions can vary enormously between individuals. I’ve had clients who made progress using only one set of one exercise a week, which worked out to training a particular exercise (and the muscle groups involved in its performance) once every three to for weeks. I recently spoke with Simon Shawcross, who runs the hit UNI, online training courses, that he, likewise, found himself making progress after a period of stagnation, by only performing one exercise once per week. So, depending on your genetic tolerance for exercise, such a frequency is not out of the question. It still works out to 52 workouts a year.
@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE wow interesting thanks for your time and effort john little 👍
@@chazvetier5350 No worries. Thanks for your post.
Hey John did Mike recommend any supplements? Or take for himself ? Do u know that
The only time he took supplements was when he was dieting before a contest, and his calories had dropped too low for him to obtain a well-balanced diet from food alone. In such cases, he took a multivitamin and mineral tablet, and occasionally a milk and egg protein powder.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGEdo you know that he took creatine?
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGEand u have his eat plans ? Maybe u could do a video about that
Does anyone have the link for the video of this?
The seminar was recorded audio-only in 1981.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE ok thanks
GOLDD
What was his daily menu during the off season? Can you post what he usually ate on a daily basis?
His efforts were not in vain
Mr john my gym does not function on sun days so should i take threedays rest and perform my training on saturdays or take five days and perform it on monday
It's best to go by your progress chart. Try going in after three days and if you go up in repetitions, then that means you have recovered and adapted. If, however, you discover that your reps are the same or go down, then wait till the Monday the next time around.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE thank you so much sir
@@AdhinanK.A You're very welcome.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGEr i just finished my workout and i didn't got till failure i performed the sets according to the rep range Mike suggested while having complete control on the static concentric and eccentric.i think all i have to do is wait now
If you didn't go to failure then you didn't follow his guidance.
Hey John What is mikes last interview/seminar ? Maybe u can link it
This was Mike’s last public seminar (I believe), recorded in 1998: th-cam.com/video/-6GmBkcW3Sg/w-d-xo.html
This was Mike’s last presentation of his system, recorded in 2001: th-cam.com/video/wQdvpn7Un0I/w-d-xo.html
Did he ever discuss fasting and ketones?
He was the first to write about ketosis in a bodybuilding magazine I believe (in the late 1970s). He did try fasting during the mid 1970s, but found simply reducing his calorie intake below maintenance levels to be more effective for him.
The man was a genius...
Could not be anymore true, why I know because I know, when you are reducing your calories to lose weight you inevitably reduce carbs, reducing your cards , then you look smaller a bit more ripped but also your pump just doesn’t materialize, soooo, 20 mgs of diane and wha-la pump returns, test quick reacting water Retension aas before the work out provides that pump. But then it’s anadrol 50 instead of dbol, remember this was 81 representing about 71 as he said about 10 years back Arnold love those dbols
The good die young
Did Mike just say Chris bum? 9:24
Chris Lund; a photographer at the time for MuscleMag International.
I thought this was from a 1998 seminar, not 1981.
@@sbsb-yg7qx It was recorded on November 15, 1981 in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada.
Great John, but I will excuse you, I want something simple from you, I am Egyptian and my level of English is not good enough, I want to fully understand how Mike explains the issue of calories and that he recommends writing my calories in five days and adding 16 calories to them, I want anything from you briefly in Two or three lines about Mike's philosophy on calories, with simple English words for me to understand
The strongest powerlifters are the heaviest. They carry much fat, so fat must have some benefits in terms of strength. They say fat protects joints against injures, I can testify to that to some extent. When I've been very lean and even ripped I've experienced the most injuries in my life.
Thanks for uploading John, it's wonderful to hear Mike back in the old days, and it's very likely this is the only recording in existence from this seminar, so we're all very lucky that you're able to upload it. I recently purchased your book HIT: The Mike Mentzer Way, and I was curious about training abdominals. Mike recommends basic sit-ups and leg raises as an alternate exercise, but I've seen him doing hanging crunches and raises in your previous videos. Do you have any ab-specific content from Mike? Thanks
NGL I myself gained 12kg of mass in 30 days during my college break back in 2014 and I was underweight before
Thank you so much for these videos. I have been training with Mentzer’s principles for the last ten months with great results. Eating the right amounts, going to failure, lower volume and adequate rest have all been challenges. However, I wouldn’t have kept going without your videos. Best wishes to you and yours.
Thanks very much and best wishes to you as well.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGEI feel Mike would say that. Not that I'm much of a religious man, but by providing a medium for Mr. Mentzer, you are truly helping to do the work of the Almighty!
Its absolutely mindblowing the pics of Mike V. Arnold. Mike DESTROYED him, in almosr every pose. Mike deserved that Mr. O. 💯
Arnold knows he only won 3 of his 7 Olympias legitimately. He should have lost 70,71,72,80
@@stevemann1299 one could make a case for the '75 Olympia as well. Serge was tricked that year and wasn't fully prepared.
The hardest thing about Mentzers program is practicing restraint from exercise (so we dont overtrain) and determining whether we are fully recovered from the previous workout session.
Try to go for a walk. Active resting. You will get ripped without affecting your CNS and you will allow growth.
Mike talks about "Active resting" it's an oxymoron but I won't elaborate, listen to mikes discussion on "active resting"@@taxenco
Daily ritual, listen to Mike mentzer... Let the facts sink in... These are pure gold. All hail king mentzer 💪rip. Great work, keep these coming John.
I literally listen to the same recordings of him every day just about since I truly dove in deep the end of last year. I only recently realized the 4-3-4 cadence I wasn't doing but still saw results only doing 4 on the negatives. Now after dropping the weight a few plates, I'm truly feeling true high intensity and every single rep now feels like it's doing ten times the work of any rep ive ever done the last 35 yearz
My favorite quote from this excerpt goes , “growing in spite of his ignorance” speaks volumes to the mental in many aspects of todays life
I love Mikes dry, yet witty humor.
John i'm so glad you took your tape recorder that day 👍👍
Me, too!
We all are this whole channel is GOLD.
It's like Mr Little just knew this would change people's lives
Just by listening to Mike I get a pump
The simple things are often the best.
At 20:00 i really cant understand what hes saying about The surface area and mass versus amount of calories and body heat. Can someone explain this more clearly?
@@smithrx97 i cannot picture mass increasing but surface area staying the same. Mass meaning density? Or mass meaning volume?
@@smithrx97 ok, i thought about it and realized how mass which is proportional to volume can increase while the surface area stays the same. I imagine a cube turning into a rectangle, probably not a good analogy but it worked for me to understand.
1:00:35 What shirt is Mike wearing in that photo?
RIP champ
33:12 what did he say? Just the right abs???
My inly issue with Triple M (Master Mike Mentzer) is my own fear. Im currently on rest day 1 1/2, im just addicted to the intensity 😭
The discipline him and his niche have is awesome
To Olympia
I’ve been a chronic “overtrainer” for 20 years. And after listening to Mike’s seminars and teachings I look back to those twenty years and remember my best gains, both strength and appearance” have been on long periods of rest between training days. I never realized why. But now it all makes sense.
I’ve switched over to HIT, working out every 72 hours for 30-45 mins per training session. Already noticing strength gains and definition.
Hi John! thank you for your uploads!. I have a question when it comes to progressing, im able to lift heavier every single workout but im not sure if this equals becoming more muscular/lean (you get what i mean), does progressing with weight equal muscle size will automatically increase with time?, because i dont see any changes with my body yet and my diet is good and the rest time also.
I take 4 days off as 3 is too little for me, i use warm up sets and then take 1 set with the heaviest weight i can lift for 6-10reps aka taking it to failure.
Would love a response to know if what im doing is correct, kind greetinga from germany
Mike indicated that strength increases precede size increases. He said that was the way it was with him when he was training as well. According to Mike, if you can do more, in terms of repetitions and/or weight, than you could previously, that is an indication that something different is in the muscle, and since fat cannot contract, there has been a substantial change in the composition of the muscle tissue. It may be that you are getting muscle and losing fat at the same time, which would net out to the same on a bodyweight scale or a tape measure. It could mean that your genetics are such that you’re not going to build much mass, that is a distinct possibility. But it could also mean that you’re too soon along in your journey to build much muscle mass yet. Remember, even a 10 pound gain of muscle a year, which is impressive, still works out to less than 12 grams gained per day, which is not enough to be noticeable, or to register on a bodyweight scale.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE Wow!! thank you so much for this detailed response. I really appreciate you taking time from your day to help me out in such a detailed manner.
Have a great week and til next time .
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGEworded just like Mentzer would. I’ve changed form for full ROM and lost up to 50lbs on certain lifts. They’ve all came back to original expectation or better. I don’t always notice better muscular definition, but I trust that the increase or ROM with increased weight can only mean that hypertrophy is reached.
Damn I'm training every 4 days and I think I'm overtraining I don't know what to do
Stop training and recover duh
John would you recommend going out of my way, and certaintly out of financially-logical range to buy one of his Heavy Duty books or is it mostly explained through these videos. I assume you’ve read them cause of how close you were to him.
Pretty much all of the content that is in the books is available for free on this channel.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE Awesome. Crazy how your still pumping out stuff of him from a sorta early-stage of technology
9:30 600kcals/lb of muscle, however I have read that it takes upwards of approximately 2,700 kcals consumed to synthesize a lb of muscle. I would like to hear the thoughts and experiences of those who have calculated their maintenance and experimented with measuring added calories and muscle gain.
Hi john i want to know that after following any sort of training i always increased my upper body but i am giving my 100 percent in lower body training it is not growing would you like to give any advice other than weak genetics
hi John, going by your videos of muscle building principals & theory :) there is a vast info being shown here where i haven't found all this time, Thank you so much for these insights. however there is query - during the 1 set exercise, at times there are chances where before reaching muscular failure, our heartbeat is at its high peak, so is it advisable to stop the exercise and take a break till the heart beat is normal and then move on to another exercise?
Thanks in advance!!
In Heavy Duty, Mike recommends 96 hrs off minimum between workouts. Here he says 2-3 days. Is that just an evolution of his thinking about rest/recovery?
Yes. This was recorded in 1981. His later recommendations came after training clients in the 1990s.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE thanks 🙏 Love your channel!
@@ye1517 You’re welcome and thanks for the kind words.
This is not a from 1981 seminar, but approximately 1999.
I recorded it - on November 15, 1981.