One of the things I really like about this conversation is how they can disagree with each other and continue having a productive and meaningful discussion.
Yeah but joe is wrong 😂 keeps trying to act like a human looking at butterflies is analogous with a galaxy spanning alien race looking at one of thousands of verminous primitive races
Here here! Love that aliens wouldn't have an interest. Such a funny perspective. Even though they've been visiting for millions of years and have been responsible for the growth of this planet. Watching us constantly. But a great outlook 😂
Citizen Beeswax I see your point and you’re right as a singular being one person doesn’t have the power to change the greater scale of things but every tree started as a seed and where one set of eyes travel so will another set and eventually there will be enough eyes on the smaller picture that will in turn alter the bigger picture.
Every alien from every movie or book has an element of humanity along with it in its physical form. We can’t even begin to imagine what they can look like.
There's a possibility, that aliens have already visited us, and they can even be still observing us. It's just humans' sensory detection and consciousness are too primitive to even notice their existence. They could exist in higher dimensions and observe from higher forms of consciousness, or they could just come in the form of birds. Just like observing some ants through a hidden camera lens, they won't even know there are humans behind it.
Maybe alien's have been on earth for millions of years but live in the oceans 6 miles down in a form we wouldn't recognize as intelligent.Octopus for example are intelligent enough to problem solve.🎉❤
Ah yeah, the good ol' days, when people talked AND listened. It's much more efficient now, where people talk AT you and then just hit you with a bike lock.
I think it was so good because the guy wasn’t talking out of his ass. Or unsure about the topic he was elaborating on, instead they expanded each others views on that matter somewhat
John W preach brother.... it’s very disheartening where the art of conversation is going. I went from dating young to dating old purely based on that, not by choice either.
Great comment bud. Pretty envious of Mr Rogan for that very reason if im being honest. The 100 mill would be nice but the knowledge, experience and interest offered by what he has created for himself is really the golden egg
@@craigthorpe2327 He’s had people he’s disagreed with on the show, like that adam dude I forgot his name but he has that show called everything sucks or something like that. I mean if I had a podcast, the entertainment would come from having my friends and the informing would come from respectable sources I had no reason to argue against. His podcast isn’t centralised around his political beliefs
He has the degree. YOU DON'T. what the fuck is up with this generation thinking they should have a valued opinion on something they have never studied. GOOGLE DOESN'T MAKE YOU A GENIUS
@@AdairCruzify Surely you are wrong mate. Google does make you a genius. You can literally find millions of books in google which a university library can not provide. You can find scholarly answers from thousands of scientists and experts if you google it which is completely devoid in universities. In universities you only get answers from one or two experts on the topics. You can take thousand of online courses offered by Mit, Harvard, Stanford. I am a data scientist working at Walmart now. I am completely self taught and learned everything online mate. And I have found many people in my data science field with degrees from university who have less understanding than me. If you have deep interest in something then google it. You will find it. Degree does not make you powerful. Those degrees are just a sheet of paper. I have a degree in Electrical Engineering but I never had a knack for it. I had almost forgotten everything what I have learnt 6 years ago. But I have learnt about General relativity through online courses and I still remember. Pretty hard stuff though. I had to learn tensor analysis for GM theory.
Well it was quite informative, I hadn’t thought of the point that aliens would “zoom in with there telescope” and see an earth from thousands of years ago due to the speed of travel.
I really enjoyed this conversation because you both expressed points that differ. Neither one of you are phased by that different opinion and just except it as just that. Fantastic boys 👍
The argument is more like: we don’t seek to investigate and interact with every ant hill in the entire Amazon rainforest. we know many exist, but we don’t feel the need to seek them all out. Planet earth might be as common as an ant hill in the rainforest to more Advanced beings
Also, we assume that humans are the measure for everything, and it becomes easy to believe that what we do as a species is impressive and highly advanced, even though we are still very flawed. Meanwhile, these other species might have grown past religion, politics, and other things which we think are fundamental, but to them it can be considered "primitive". Therefore, they might know it is too soon and possibly not worth to communicate with us.
@@ManikandtanCK Exactly, if we had contact from anything extraterrestrial we would be learning and observing more than what they would be. I imagine it would not be very productive for them unless they wanted our resources, but our resources might not even be useful for them or necessary lol. So in other words, why even bother?
TheTTguy no be doesn’t. He holds on to the belief that we are important to aliens... because he himself can’t conceptualise how far advanced the other guy is describing. If we are talking about a GALACTIC race to think they would be interested in a mere planetary race surely is illogical. To get to being a galactic race they’re lightyears ahead of us in terms of technology and evolution. What could they learn from a planetary species that they have probably seen/ experienced or tested an infinite number of times over? Typical ego of human beings thinking we are more than what we are... basically bacteria.
Quality Work technological advancement grows at an exponential rate at a factor of roughy 10 so your calculations is off dramatically. It won’t take that long to become a galactic race. Secondly, technological advancement might go in different direction in terms of expansion, there are theories that suggest that technologically superior species might go nano as it is way more efficient.thirdly, to base your idea of what an extremely advanced civilisation might be curious about is stupid non the less as it’s all theory. Lastly(in my opinion), if I was apart of a galactic civilisation I would want to know who the fuck lives in my crib and detail everything in between because I can.
I still can’t get over the fact we’re on a floating rock in the middle of infinite darkness. People say they don’t believe in magic. Well folks, magic is all around us.
Mud Puppy But in appearance it’s pretty much the same, isn’t it? Whether through genetics or hairstyle choice, I would consider a hairless head a bald head.
Wow that’s why they are here and I have seen amazing things don’t take my word for it watch the pertagons video of tic tax ufo and if it can disappear in less than a second of 25 miles, which it did the CO of the flight group that saw this thing said in less than a second and they have visibility of at least 20 miles at the altitude at least they could see it disappear into a lil dot but this thing disappeared in less than a second so they are here and who are you to say why. And btw why idk do you ? Oh please please talk as if you kno something else
There’s two issues involved here. One is the advanced civilization going out of their way to interact with us, and two, us detecting their existence/activity regardless of whether they’re interested in us. If they’re not interested, which is debatable, why haven’t we detected their existence? This remains unanswered.
@@alexh1524 Think about the factors of why that is. 1 = speed of light (When we see very distant habitable planets we determine if they have a decent chance for intelligent and complex life forms, we see them as they were hundreds of thousands often millions of years ago). because light has a speed 2 = Our Current Technology in 2022 Its like what, 63 years ago since we landed on the hecking moon. it is all a axcellerating process where we get more and more advanced with a rapid growth, look at any chart about human development. like everything is skyrocketing. Id bet my halfgrown mustache on that in minimum 30 (It may be alot less) years we have actually Discovered Legit evidence of life on another planet. with the use of either the James webb telescope or some entirely new model directed towards scanning planets 3 = an Analogy to illustrate my point If you say you doubt there is other lifeforms on other planets in space. it will be like if you go to the sea with a tea spoon, to scoop it up with water, then determingly claiming you have proven whales dont exist "Because then if they do, why have i not found any in my spoon"
I ask, not because I’m convinced one way or the other, but because it appears to be a legitimate question. I understand that civilizations that started at around our time would not be detectable because of the vast distances. I ask about civilizations that could have sprung up millions or billions of years before us.
@@alexh1524 Yee i understand. but the thing is, we havent seen them because they dont show up yet, for us they dont exist yet. Advanced lifeforms like us are probably very rare in space, so it has to be a huge distance between us. therefore we cant see them because the light takes so long to travel. with James weeb they zoom millions of light years, to investigate the forming of early galaxies Even if some civilizations are far far beyond us on a technological scale. Light speed travel is kind of impossible, because it destroys our biological cells, and probably disrupts other mechanics
And the fact that we're not dead yet means that for those civiliztions to survive to that advanced point, they must have mastered a strong moral code. Or at least have a very good utilitarian reason not to destoy us.
jondrew55 Oh, I’m not mad at him for cashing in. I would too. I’m just not spending my cash on the inevitable subscription even if it starts for free. I’m holding on to my cash because I have less than Joe. 🤣
@TJ Thunder from an outsider's pov someone on psychedelics looks idiotic and mindless but we know that's not the case. Personally couldn't stare at a dead cockroach but you do you
Joe completely misunderstood the argument. What he thinks is interesting is a big nothingburger to life forms that have figured out intergalactic travel. Nuclear weapons? Lol. They would consider them junk toys.
@@MrJamberee I for one am glad extraterrestrials haven't invaded Earth. They would enslave us. However I wouldn't mind if they domesticate us like Porno for Pyros sang about in "Pets".
@@peterparter69 he clearly doesn’t understand what Brian was saying. I’ve followed Greene for the past two decades. He’s a genius. Joe doesn’t realize that Brian is saying that in order for intelligent aliens to be advanced enough to contact us, they’d be so advanced that they wouldn’t bother to do so. It would be like humans trying to start a conversation with fruit flies. He doesn’t understand scale. A lot of people that aren’t exactly intellectually endowed lack that ability, which is important when talking about these topics.
Cause it doesn't seem like a legitimate argument. Humans are capable of reasoning and critical thinking unlike any other animal there is. We're able to create and evolve and have a level of awareness that aliens would and should find fascinating enough to study. However, I already believe alien life is monitoring us. I am more than confident that alien life has already visited earth and monitors from a distances. Some theories suggest that we were even placed on this planet by aliens as an experiment to see how we'd evolve and adapt and create societies.
@@josephBo I agree honestly. Reminds me of Prometheus. But that always made sense to me. They could have started our life.. then visited a few times.. out ancestors wouldn't know the term alien, they would have used God. And I am sure they continued watching. Probably still are. But just like people who study nature they don't interfere and just observe. 🤷🏼♀️ Idk makes sense to me.
@@savannahjohnson633 People are just very dismissive of the word "alien" if you bring it up in discussion. There is almost an undeniable amount of proof that shows that aliens have at one point or another visited our planet. I firmly believe they still monitor us and visit us quite frequently
Why “should” they be interested in us? We aren’t entitled to that simply because we are the smartest species on this planet. Monkeys reason and interact exactly as we do, just nowhere near the scale or the intelligence that we have. I think it’s really important to remember that aliens, who I believe are probably monitoring us too, are probably interested in us in the same way that we are interested in monkeys. And, the best thing for us, from their perspective is to leave us alone and let us grow and figure our shit out before they give us any sort of introduction at all. but also, consider the fact that any alien that is able to monitor us without us knowing, visit us without us knowing, or even get to this planet, has a level of technology so far beyond hours, that we cannot even conceive of its origins.
What if there’s another planet out there like us who are more technologically advanced than us and they do the same. We just wouldn’t be that interesting anymore. So they would go check them out. Maybe when the aliens first discovered us it was interesting for a while but then when we stopped making crazy technology and started to not advance our technology like we use to. Than they got bored and moved on. I mean c’mon man the last thing that probably impressed them was the freaking moon landing. Which was back in 1969 of July. What else is there besides military drones or iPhones? The rail gun? Which is probably a primitive weapon compared to theirs.
I so enjoy you asking all the questions I would. Thank Joe 7:34 and thank you to your guest. I'm enjoying his observatio n s and his humanising science. 8:41
The problem with Joe’s argument is he is assuming that aliens would have the same curiosity as humans. “The thing about aliens is, they’re alien.” - Gregory Benford.
Please tell me you guys know it takes electricity or some kind of energy source to stay warm in space and that power sources are not gonna last a whole trip if solar panels get less power as you leave a star. Aliens must follow the same rules of physics as us.
That's as false as it gets, evolution is driven by science, which it self is fueled by curiosity.....so every intelligent lifeform out there possess this characteristic!
@@pintobiscuit theres always the one guy saying nonsense like joe not getting credit the hell with that no one expects rogan is gonna ask stupid questions and he gets shit load of money lol
Franklin A Rogers same here. I had to rewind several times in many places in the convo to try to understand what he was saying. Super intriguing though
ifitscool Yup. Joe is thinking 2020 human and not 700000000 life. “Well we’re interested with butterflies... why wouldn’t they be interested in us?” Well because the differences between us and a butterfly is much more fascinating than humans on earth in 2020 and aliens that are billions of years into modernization.
@@ITRIEDEL Doesn't explain anything either. If life and advancement of technology is common we're talking anything from hundreds to millions of different alien species from different worlds, with different cultures, values and interests. Each civilization with populations most likely well in the hundreds of trillions and more. And none of these civilizations, not even just a group among these trillions upon trillions of individuals has found us interesting? I can only make it plausible in a very specific and unlikely scenario where one civilization conquered everyone else and this specfic society isn't interested in other species and they're only waiting to destroy or conquer us because it's not necessary or ideal yet. But that's an extremely unlike scenario and the society would have to be so old we'd still be stuck with the question of why we're not seeing their ancient expansion when looking at the stars. Or maybe life and advancement of technology is *not* common. But wouldn't that make us interesting in itself? And can we even imagine intelligent life developing technology without at least some form of curiosity?
Vlad - animals don’t find humans interesting. They see us as just threats or instrumental to their survival. thinking the way a human thinks and thinking with a prefrontal cortex assumes these possibilities. It’s easy to assume we’re interesting because we’re all we know. Aliens could have a completely different thought process - beyond all understanding especially if they are advanced beyond our comprehension. They don’t have similar traits. Technology and advancement may be the forefront of their existence. If there were an alien life form with an economy and structure similar to ours would likely find us interesting because based on these variables they are similar, but the chances an alien life form similar to us that happens to “discover” us is extremely rare considering all the possibilities from no aliens to aliens that have discovered time jumps or something similar,
I tend to agree that any advanced society would be sufficiently “interested” in life forms on other planets. In fact, the more advanced they are, the less there is to discover and learn on their home world and they’ve looked outward to other stars and planets as we’ve done. Though it’s highly likely they’re not interested enough to take massively long and strenuous journeys to visit us.
Daniel Zeuli lol go home your drunk. I’ve had this conversation n then some while stoned. Screw hallucinations, this is actually open minded dialogue occurring not just seeing stuff that isn’t there lol total difference
2 Aliens in a spaceship observing Earth - 1st Alien "I see Humanity has developed nuclear weapons." 2nd Alien "But are they dangerous?" 1st Alien "I don't think so, they have them all pointed at each other."
Gbfk7 other intelligent life possibly looking to attack their planet, not point it at each other as humans look to kill our own species because of religion race and standards of living
Chris Ruiz Alpha Centauri, and the Zeta Reticuli system are both confirmed to have planets within the habitable zones, and they are within that radius. That’s two planets older than ours within the habitable zones of their nearest stars.
We need more videos with titles like this A lot of the Rogan clips will have a title saying “neurologist explains” or “biologist explains” not the actual person’s name or the episode number
it is amazing how both of these people are able to have an argument all while staying completely calm and respecting each others views and not really trying to win the argument but rather just add onto what they're already talking about more like a conversation
Why is this normal human behavior amazing? What is amazing about it? If you can’t hold a conversation like this then you’re no different from the chimps. I.e, you have low intelligence.
@@geraltofrivia3344 I agree. I see this kind of comment all the time when sharing perspectives peacefully should be normal for everybody. Sadly it isn't but if you are incapable doing this than you just simply aren't mature enough.
@@geraltofrivia3344 im not sure it's related to intelligence I think it might be more of an emotional issue for some. A lot of smarter people then me can't have a normal conversation without getting defensive. And we all have subjects that incites an emotional response based on life experiences.
@@Nahsra58 because the physicist is providing numbers (time) to back up his explanation. Joe is just asking "but why" as his response to the physicists explanations. Joe is really not capturing what the physicist is trying to explain
@@Samuel-th6fw I think Brian's argument was more that they might have had those interests at an earlier development but have long since transcended those types of interests when they became 'galactic'.
yeah cause in deep part of our mind we hope there are different versions of our species, so what he means is if other humans but much more advanced were looking at us, u know ?
The problem is that everyone puts the process of aliens visiting us in a box. Everyone thinks it’s gotta be like the movies, with a big spaceship coming to earth. If a super advanced life form out in the universe can figure out inter dimensional space travel, they can figure out how to observe us without us ever evening knowing. They could be watching us in a fourth or fifth dimension, in some way we can’t even comprehend.
Good thoughts, it’s like how people interpret angels and demons as actually being aliens because they’re present but on a different plane on existence. But how does that’ shit work?
Think about this.. If humans didn't have noses, then we would have no idea that scent/smell is a thing. Similarly, if we didn't have ears, would we know sound/noise exists? So imagine what other senses there are that we can't experience because the human body just doesn't have the tools for it.
JD JD you also have to consider that if we look at a planet that’s 100 million light years away, we’re seeing 100 million years in the past not what’s actually occurring right now. There could be a whole civilization on a planet that we look at and see nothing at all just like if they looked at our plant from that distance right now they wouldn’t see us, they’d see the dinosaurs
I mean interestingly, even if Aliens did show up on Earth, they probably wouldn’t even be able to hear us because their ears (if they have them) didn’t form under the parameters of our atmosphere
The train of thought at the beginning seems to suggest that at least Joe thinks they might be future humans. The famous Grays are the logical result of our current trend of shrinking in size and strength while increasing our brain size, and perhaps their skin color is an effect of different lighting conditions.
Why would they even want to see us? What if these things are older than we can comprehend? Maybe we're just another graduating middleschool class to them
I stopped at "Aliens aren’t human" said who ? if there is a planet like earth (high % that there is more than just one) where life on it started thousands of years before ours and we all know same conditions MOST OF THE TIMES give same results so yes maybe not the humans we know now (btw, if a black person in middle of Africa who only saw black people all his life and you show an Asian to him, he will think that he's not like him an he's not human ) so this "human" thingy is debatable, what if planet earth humans in thousands of years will look different too ? we already look different from our ancestors don't we ?
But we can detect stuff that we can't percieve, like ultra violet and super high pitch, so if an civilization which is millions years ahead of us exists, they might understand our perceptions in how see and percieve everything around us.
Great point, but it is entirely possible that some sort of wormhole or natural galactic port that can allow inter dimensional travel within their area, crazy theory, just a thought though.
Tyler Jacobson assuming the life is close by galactic standards still the amount of energy necessary to make and interstellar trip is so enormous so technically what green is describing there’s no incentive to spend trillions of dollars to see an ant colony destroying itself
Our cosmic neighbourhood in the galaxy could be in the radius of 3000 light years and just with current technology to make the trip to alpha century 4.5 light years away it would take us 75 ....... THOUSAND YEARS
Why haven't Aliens visited us? This question presumes that multiple scenarios exist such as :- 1) There are alien species in the Milky Way galaxy other than humans. As far as we are concerned, we could be the only one and other species have yet to develop, are in their infancy, or exist in another galaxy. 2) Presumes that they are aware of our presence. It's possible they are out there but still have yet to discover humanity. 3) Presumes that some form of advanced Interstellar technology is possible. We have theories on how to build such devices but they require ridiculous levels of energy to function. It's possible that such devices are impossible to build so alien civilizations are stuck on their home star system . 4) Presumes that they must have a reason to visit Earth or communicate with humanity. As Greene said, they are smart enough that we have nothing to offer them or some galactic law prevents them from communicating with primitive species. 5) Presumes that we haven't made contact before. They could have arrived to Earth many years before but the evidence was either never documented, withered away through history, or was destroyed. 6) Presumes that we aren't actively communicating now. It's possible that aliens are only communicating with our higher levels of authority such as the government and such information is kept secret for whatever reason. These are what I could think of.
These are all good potential explanations. Most arguments revolve around the drake equation and the Indifference Principle (that we should assume we are average unless there's a specific reason to assume otherwise). There are 400 billion stars in the galaxy spread over a disk 100,000 LY wide. The universe is 14 billion years old. So let's say life could appear between ten billion years ago and ninety billion years from now. It's been estimated that a species colonizing the galaxy could fill it up in about 25 million years. Earth is about 5 billion years old. There's evidence of life within a few hundred millions years of the planet forming. Then, only single celled life until about 500 million years ago. Humans evolved about 5 million years ago, invented agriculture 10,000 years ago, and our entire industrial civilization is 500 years old. What can we conclude? Assuming they are limited by the speed of light, most aliens in the galaxy who decide to look at us will at best see an intelligent but pretechnological species. Observers in nearby galaxies see macroscopic (multicellular) life. Under the Indifference Principle, we see no reason why some aliens couldn't have popped up a billion years earlier than us and filled the galaxy almost immediately in stellar terms. Upon encountering Earth, they would have found a planet with nothing but prokaryotic single celled life. So why wouldn't they have colonized our solar system? Maybe some aliens care so much that they would have left our world as a nature preserve, but would EVERY race have cared that much? They wouldn't just be different from us, they'd be different from each other, so you'd think that at least some species would be expansionistic. Five hundred years of human industry has made detectable changes to the planet. After five hundred MILLION years, wouldn't at least some alien species be affecting their solar systems enough to be detectable? At 100k LY, there's plenty of time for the light from alien stellar engineering projects to have reached us. Yet we've looked and haven't seen any. The challenge of the Fermi paradox is that any solution that allows advanced alien species to exist in our galaxy has to apply nearly universally among what is probably an incredibly diverse array of possible intelligent species. Yes, aliens might be different from us in ways that might make them less detectable, but it's equally likely that they differ from us in ways that make them MORE detectable. Given the speed of light and the distances involved, it's not surprising that we haven't been contacted or visited yet. But it is VERY surprising that we haven't seen evidence of their existence in other solar systems and also surprising that some of them haven't been here all along.
@@albertweedsteinthethuggeni7797 Forreal tho!? Is that a thing!? I'm sure it most likely is a thing tho.... I wanna do some for only a short duration of time and for healthcare reasons and not bodybuilding.... Is it safe in small doses infrequently?
@d b Did you not read the second sentence? None of that was either analogy or opinion. You have to prove that other "tribes" exist in the first place for us to be considered the undiscovered one.
@d b last I checked "we are" doesn't equal "we might" just like the "we are the undiscovered tribe of the universe". Nothing about that comment was either speculation or opinion. And who gave you the authority to twist the meaning of what he said to not mean their face value?
@d b there is nothing in the comment that implies any form of speculation. Point it out, and we'll go from there. But you won't, because it isn't there now is it.
Props to Joe for the way he calmly disagreed. Smart people do that and it prompted more explanations from Greene which makes a good back and forth between interviewer and guest I think.
Dude as soon as he said he disagreed i was like "OH shit" paused the video got a snack then came back😂 If joe disagrees with something you knows its gonna be good
I am so stoned and this is better then any physics class I know lol getting buried for then instead of than I'm from south Texas rgv we talk like that anyways different THEN the usual
It's like watching a middle school teacher who is trying to gently get around the fact that all of the kids are answering his questions completely wrong. "Weeellll that's an interesting thought, Timmy, buuut...."
Commander Cooks I think this physicist is wrong about this alien theory; I mean scientists are more interested in things than the average person is, and scientists will try to make others interested. Scientists are literally interested in watching two particles hit each other at light speeds, just because they can do it.
For real lol he’s putting these very well thought out ideas to joe and he’s just like “nah bro we’re the shit, they definitely want to come see us” lmaoo
@@brytonwallis4817 His point though is in 10,000+ years or 1 billion years or however further advanced that alien species is, whatever human life turns into would no longer be interested in crashing 2 particles together, or physics in general. Even the scientists. It would likely all be figured out, or we would at least be on the next thing after physics and so on.
@The Monotone Man An alien species 1 billion years more advanced would no longer have use for laughter, or even entertainment. It would all be a waste of their time.
They have already come, ancient Egyptian art shows this. The pyramids are basically power stations and how do you think we got that technology? Look into it.
My mind boggles to hear people like Greene and Neil Degrass! I am struggling with remembering algebra & trigonometry I learnt in school and these guys are solving mysteries of the universe!!
"Two possibilities exist: either the same person keeps posting this quote on every alien video or they are not. Both are equally terrifying. Because this quote is EVERYWHERE. Just busting your balls haha
Nah, Joe has heard that from every physicist he’s ever talked to...some say its got a foundation, others have said it’s just being fashionable to be so cynical about Earthlings
Ikr, it's not that difficult to grasp that first of all, if a civilization is advanced enough to visit us, it's most likely that their knowledge about evolutionary science is way beyond us and possibly to the point that studying us might just be redundant for them
@@shawnhilton9045 Our recent ancestors took men as slaves, murdered abs raped them without feeling bad about it. Maybe the human race will be slaves once day?
@@levihadley9586 I'm kidding with you. There are no aliens coming to probe your back door so relax. If there was a more advanced civilization they would not treat us as equals just like we didn't treat primitive cultures very well and still don't. I love old Star Trek and Star Wars before Disney but it's fiction. Do you believe we went to the moon?
@@mrdev714 tyson way of talking is interesting i don't know if this guy is the smartest physicist just by his way of talking either his ideas on why aliens wouldn't come made no sense soooooo
DESIREMORE I wonder if he is attempting to simplify his true thoughts. When experts talk to other experts they can assume that the other already knows quite a bit in the field but when talking to someone such as joe he likely needs to change his approach to explaining things
When you are an expert in a complex field like physics you have to be careful about how much you say and how you say it. It is really easy to lose your audience with concepts that are simple to you but make very little sense to the average person. Brian was being really polite, but could have blown up Joe's arguments if he wanted to.
@StenXa Theoretically, infinite size means there's at least one possibility. But i would like to see one before dying just say to myself that there is sentient life on other planet.
StenXa it would be foolish to believe we are the only life form there’s so many planets out there and we’re supposed to assume our planet was the only one to get life forms?
Joe's theories are so human-centric. He starts every sentence with "we". There is no reason to assume Aliens will think like us. Also, the amount of time we've even conceived of Aliens, is the blink of an eye on Universal time scales. Even 1000 years is a huge difference and we've been active for 80.
His reason makes perfect sense though he said human are like ants but there are many people who study ants and in an intergalactic empire they're would be more people who do that than people who even live in earth and we onky need one alien to come or send a massage for us to know they exist
@@melvinklark4088 And Greene's answer is that there is probably no one within the radio bubble to pick up on our signal even if they might be interested. Human just weren't around long enough
Except that we DO hang out on Ant Hills, and we do study lower lifeforms, so that explanation holds no water. Plus if you ask a lot of people we have been visited and frequently.
Brian's view is very unscientific. The bulk of his argument is that aliens would find our civilization boring and unworthy of attention which he has no evidence for. There is evidence that they would be interested in us as Joe argues. He is also completely ignoring aliens' moral duty of making earth a better place by interfering with our civilization if they have the power to do so. Brian is also assuming that the exponential scientific development will continue for a long time. Anybody that understands exponential growth will tell you, exponential growth will not last for long. For example, CPU speed is no longer growing exponentially, like it did for decades. On the contrary, scientific development may have a logarithmic increase in the future because every time you discover something, the next piece of knowledge will be more complex and will require more reasoning to discover. So, we will have to spend more time to discover new knowledge. So, the difference between a 15,000 years old civilization and a 1,000,000,000 years old civilization may not be huge. I want to make it clear that I am not underestimating how complicated the universe may be. In fact, I am arguing that it is probably physically impossible for intelligent beings to discover the vast majority of knowledge about the universe, within the life time of the universe. Why do I think aliens don't contact us? The possibilities from most likely to least likely in my opinion are: 1- They don't have the technology for intergalactic travel in short period of time. That would require them to go faster than light. We have no evidence that it is possible to travel faster than light. 2- They don't know we are here. There are trillions of stars in the universe. It is very hard to spot earth in this endless universe. 3- They spend ALL of their resources on solving the ultimate problem: heat death of the universe. They are trying to figure out how to stop or survive the heat death of the universe. Since, this problem is about life and death, they wouldn't do anything else but try to solve it.
@@bunderbah You are assuming that aliens must follow some "moral duty"--especially something that YOU, a human, considers moral. You are again conceptualizing the alien through your limited human lens. They could easily be indifferent to any conceptions of "right and wrong", something akin to us not worrying about the moral good or evil of passing by, ignoring, or even stepping on an ant as we walk by. So the idea of them having a moral duty to make some piece of rock in this infinitely-expanding universe a better place, is a very biased and arrogant assumption. Your third point would hold more weight about them focusing or dealing with incomprehensibly hard challenges and goals that are so grand in scope, scale, and cognition--that we have no way of comparing it or tethering it to the challenges we deal with on Earth--including how we conduct scientific experimentation and what we deem as interesting enough to observe.
@@Kroitk "They could easily be indifferent to any conceptions of "right and wrong." Wrong, without any moral understanding you can't create an advanced civilization. Somethings will be universal about civilized beings. For example, they will be made out of atoms. They will be intelligent and they will have morals. Let's say morality is not a universal constituent of civilizations but if we agree that there are many civilizations then some of them will be similar to us. So, we can look at our projection and infer how some of the more advanced civilizations would behave. We would help another civilization if we didn't have problems of our own and if we had the power to help them. That means we should have been visited by some aliens. I don't agree when people try to dismiss earth as just a rock. There are conscious beings on earth. Consciousness is the only thing that can matter in this universe, without it the word "matter" wouldn't even exist. Believing that they are capable of travelling faster than speed of light is unscientific. We have no scientific evidence that it is possible. If you believe that they can travel faster than speed of light you have to admit that you have a non-scientific belief.
@@bunderbah I think the assumption that morality is a necessary condition for an advanced civilization is, again, speaking through the faculty of human reasoning. Morality is important for us, a type of civilization living 2020, a few hundred thousands of years of actual "reasoning". In the grand scheme of things, another intelligent species is far more likely to be either a few hundred-thousand/million years ahead of us, or behind us, to fall into this neat bracket of them being at the same level as us or just slightly higher, would be very unlikely. Given that, we cannot possibly fathom *what* their thinking is like, but we can surmise that it would not be similar to us--as that is both arrogant and unlikely. And because "morally come and visit another planet" is something that WE would do, I don't think it is a NECESSARY condition for a far more advanced civilization. What THEY think is moral could be trying to solve the heat-death of the universe, as you said yourself, and THAT is their greater moral duty--if they consider morality that is. Visiting a spec of intellectual dust in the milky way, thousands of light years away, while knowing there are perhaps millions of planets just like us--would seem illogical to a being whose challenges are incomprehensibly grander is scope and gravity. Personally, I would of course like it to not be the case, and that they would visit us just for the sake of it or curiosity, but it is a wishful proposition and not a likely one. Who is to say their beginnings are carbon-based at all, or even remotely the same timeline of development as us? That is not a fact, either.
I don't even think we could imagine what they would or would not care about. Like a fish doesn't understand what a human is, we wouldn't understand a civilization that is millions of years ahead of us.
Or to achieve such a level of tech that they would need to have achieved such a level of cooperation as a species that between both they could solve any problem they have such as energy, planet destroying astroids, resources...and therefore do not have a need to expand into the universe.
All this Muti-dimension quantum stuff is the scientific community going lunatic and insane.... it's Balony in wonderland. But nothing new underneath the sun. The scientific community is embracing that gender is a social construct (which is based on 1 failed case study from the 60's) It embraces a failed gen therapy in development hell for 20 years as a mandated vaccine, it embraces that people can play God over the climate based on models... coz who needs data or science now anyway, right? In truth, the scientific community fucked up SO badly in every darn field for the past 15 years that I have literally zero trust that anything useful comes out of it. The smartest that the west can produce nowadays is a person that is so out of touch with reality he thinks we can live on Mars despite there being no atmosphere that's essential for life and his rockets to go there blow up every months and a half. So please science community, do everyone a favor and just fuck off, will ya.
Please tell me you guys know it takes electricity or some kind of energy source to stay warm in space and that power sources are not gonna last a whole trip if solar panels get less power as you leave a star. Aliens must follow the same rules of physics as us.
MrSpliffstarz no I’m not. Joe keeps bringing up this point about “why are you assuming they are years ahead of us”. You have to, because if they weren’t then how could they even get to us? If they don’t have more advanced technology then us, then the reason they aren’t visiting us is because they don’t know we exist and even if they did they couldn’t get to us.
MrSpliffstarz maybe they are developing at a faster rate than us, but for us they are still Thousands of years ahead. Might not be a thousand years for them but for us it prob is
Our development in time is a second on the time clock . Alien life would have to be close enough and advanced at a same level to contact us . A message sent would take hundreds of years to get here . Who would be there to accept the answer a few hundred years later ?
Brian at the end just touched on a key issue that could make a fundamental difference once is studied and understood better: quantum entanglement. The fact that it not only happens in space, but also in time, it's completely amazing and could, eventually, be the basis for Galactic travel and maybe even Time travel. Look it up and you'll be as flabbergasted as I am. Happy Trails!
you can use the infinite hotel as an example on another type of infinitey, say we have a hotel with infinite rooms and infinite people in those rooms, it doesn't grow, it just is infinite, then we have one person switch with the person next to them for their rooms and have one more person come in. that is a dumbed down heavily way of explaining infinitey +1, also poorly explained. then you have infinite percentages of infinite. such as say 5% of life starts within 10k years of us in an infinite number of planets and life, so that 5% is also infinite but they are not the same infinite as one is only 5% of the other yet both are infinite.
Think of it like this: there are infinite numbers, right? And there are infinite numbers that end in 3 (3, 53, 203 etc). The infinity of numbers in general, is much larger than the infinity of numbers ending in 3.
There are also the known(or the thought of knowing) infinite and the one everyone knows of called pi 3.14159265359xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx the infinity of math
I think aliens lock their doors when they drive past Earth.
Earth the Tijuana of the galaxy
Roll em up!!!!
@Joe Sudz I'll just grab my towel.
@@Thisisaweirdthing2makeusdo Remain calm
@@mattmrc resistance is futile
*Joe pulls off mask to reveal he is an alien*
“Here’s why I don’t buy that”
Lmao
That’s exactly how I saw that....all coiled up and showing true self...
"Here's why I don't buy that Again"
I laughed out loud at this
Lol
Brian: You're absolutely right Joe.
Joe: I disagree.
@Shinta he is a dumbass though
Joe is not afraid of speaking his mind or looking dumb in front of obviously smarter people for the sake of a good and enjoyable debate.
but they didn't agree with eachother ...
@d b your comment is a reflection of how dumb you are. Wtf is up with all those commas.. dumb ass
@MrTruboy No, that malformed sentence is.
Love this back and forth, a great example of a respectful discussion with agreement and disagreement.
Maybe the aliens think humans are really hot, but they're too nervous to come say hello.
I just wanna put out there, if any alien girls got a crush on me, lemme know
👽👉👈
Rud you know you want that alien man meat hotboi
Chris Dinelli maybe alien girls have their own shmeat
Story of my life 😅😂🤣
One of the things I really like about this conversation is how they can disagree with each other and continue having a productive and meaningful discussion.
Yeah but joe is wrong 😂 keeps trying to act like a human looking at butterflies is analogous with a galaxy spanning alien race looking at one of thousands of verminous primitive races
I wouldn’t call it disagreeing, Joe Rogan just likes to throw in a plausible counter to get a better idea of their thought process .
Or he's trying to open him up as an interviewer the way they present the milky way our solar system is close to the center
Citizen Beeswax bruh you serious? 😂
Not taking things personal is the key
Sign of a good scientist allowing everyone’s opinion to count because each perspective helps build a whole picture
Underrated comment
I feel like that describes Joe Rogan a little bit. Like getting all the pieces of the puzzle together before you decide if you like the picture on top
Here here! Love that aliens wouldn't have an interest. Such a funny perspective.
Even though they've been visiting for millions of years and have been responsible for the growth of this planet. Watching us constantly. But a great outlook 😂
@Citizen Beeswax coming from who specifically?
Citizen Beeswax I see your point and you’re right as a singular being one person doesn’t have the power to change the greater scale of things but every tree started as a seed and where one set of eyes travel so will another set and eventually there will be enough eyes on the smaller picture that will in turn alter the bigger picture.
Every alien from every movie or book has an element of humanity along with it in its physical form. We can’t even begin to imagine what they can look like.
There's a possibility, that aliens have already visited us, and they can even be still observing us. It's just humans' sensory detection and consciousness are too primitive to even notice their existence. They could exist in higher dimensions and observe from higher forms of consciousness, or they could just come in the form of birds. Just like observing some ants through a hidden camera lens, they won't even know there are humans behind it.
It’s called convergent evolution, but imagine intelligent life inside of water
@@CHEVYCAMARO4GEN it wouldn’t be able to evolve with high level technology because they can’t make fire
Maybe alien's have been on earth for millions of years but live in the oceans 6 miles down in a form we wouldn't recognize as intelligent.Octopus for example are intelligent enough to problem solve.🎉❤
@@captainamerica5826It would be the perfect hiding spot because people think fish are dumb.
I love the back and forth arguments and how they continue to just feed off each other. No tension. Just the give and take of information.
I thought the same thing. I could have listened to that conversation for another hour at least, haha.
Ah yeah, the good ol' days, when people talked AND listened.
It's much more efficient now, where people talk AT you and then just hit you with a bike lock.
I think it was so good because the guy wasn’t talking out of his ass. Or unsure about the topic he was elaborating on, instead they expanded each others views on that matter somewhat
John W preach brother.... it’s very disheartening where the art of conversation is going. I went from dating young to dating old purely based on that, not by choice either.
Really? I thought it was kinda like teacher telling his student no actually that's not quite right...
Joe brings great guests to educate himself on the things he’s interested in. Honestly that’s a dream job
Great comment bud. Pretty envious of Mr Rogan for that very reason if im being honest. The 100 mill would be nice but the knowledge, experience and interest offered by what he has created for himself is really the golden egg
@@IDontknow-ot4cj agreed
He brings in no opposition.. imagine being able to pick your battles everyday
@@craigthorpe2327 He’s had people he’s disagreed with on the show, like that adam dude I forgot his name but he has that show called everything sucks or something like that. I mean if I had a podcast, the entertainment would come from having my friends and the informing would come from respectable sources I had no reason to argue against. His podcast isn’t centralised around his political beliefs
@@justinkongol0 what even are his political beliefs hes so cryptic and good and not saying it
I admire how they can disagree with each other in the most respectful way.
@Jane Do Yes.
Nothing wrong with disagreeing with somebody. Make somebody convince you until you give into what they say
You should see Joe's debate on weed with that one dude
@Jane Do Ha. Good one.
Smoking weed ain't cool
Joe is such a good conversationalist. It comes so naturally to him.
I think the drugs make it easy for him to open his mind up lol
He's also had a lot of practice now after so many podcasts
@@davemustaki134 wtf does that even mean? It's like ppl just want to knock him bc it became popular but the arguments make no sense.
@@adamt5 it means drugs open up your mind to possibilities and theories
I am a great conversationalist to
Joe has done so many of these interviews he's stepped up his questioning game big time. His head has grown accordingly. Respect
Rogan has always been like this, he can adapt to every topics. He's really good at conversation
@@sl9wdive he's always been good but he's clearly been learning from previous encounters and taking it in
You mean because he’s challenging an actual physicist & taking the side of alien conspiracists?
@@kevindube7096 well, yeah. He isn't being obtuse, he's just interested and he's heard lots of information from different sources
@American boi True but they know alot more than me or you
I appreciate the physicist not feeling like “Im a physicist and you have no right to disagree” to Joes points. He has my respect.
He has the degree. YOU DON'T. what the fuck is up with this generation thinking they should have a valued opinion on something they have never studied. GOOGLE DOESN'T MAKE YOU A GENIUS
Adair Cruz They’re discussing aliens...it’s all speculation dude.
@@bbbgun225 like I said he has a degree for it. He did study so his speculations have a more power behind them than someone who didn't that's all
Adair Cruz For sure. Definitely value this guys opinion higher than Joe’s.
@@AdairCruzify Surely you are wrong mate. Google does make you a genius. You can literally find millions of books in google which a university library can not provide. You can find scholarly answers from thousands of scientists and experts if you google it which is completely devoid in universities. In universities you only get answers from one or two experts on the topics. You can take thousand of online courses offered by Mit, Harvard, Stanford. I am a data scientist working at Walmart now. I am completely self taught and learned everything online mate. And I have found many people in my data science field with degrees from university who have less understanding than me. If you have deep interest in something then google it. You will find it. Degree does not make you powerful. Those degrees are just a sheet of paper. I have a degree in Electrical Engineering but I never had a knack for it. I had almost forgotten everything what I have learnt 6 years ago. But I have learnt about General relativity through online courses and I still remember. Pretty hard stuff though. I had to learn tensor analysis for GM theory.
This had nothing to do with aliens, this was all about how to disagree politely
@Ali Desch 🤣Beat me.
More politicians need to take notes on “how to”
@Ali Desch I wish I could save comments
Lol
Well it was quite informative, I hadn’t thought of the point that aliens would “zoom in with there telescope” and see an earth from thousands of years ago due to the speed of travel.
I really enjoyed this conversation because you both expressed points that differ. Neither one of you are phased by that different opinion and just except it as just that. Fantastic boys 👍
The argument is more like: we don’t seek to investigate and interact with every ant hill in the entire Amazon rainforest. we know many exist, but we don’t feel the need to seek them all out. Planet earth might be as common as an ant hill in the rainforest to more Advanced beings
Fair enough
Also, we assume that humans are the measure for everything, and it becomes easy to believe that what we do as a species is impressive and highly advanced, even though we are still very flawed.
Meanwhile, these other species might have grown past religion, politics, and other things which we think are fundamental, but to them it can be considered "primitive". Therefore, they might know it is too soon and possibly not worth to communicate with us.
Exactly my thought. We maybe interesting as a specimen, but if such a young species is commonplace, we would be pretty boring for a few millennia.
@@recursion_wiz8762 100% accurate
@@ManikandtanCK Exactly, if we had contact from anything extraterrestrial we would be learning and observing more than what they would be. I imagine it would not be very productive for them unless they wanted our resources, but our resources might not even be useful for them or necessary lol. So in other words, why even bother?
This guy is being very polite to Joe.
Opposite of Neil Tyson Degrasse.
Nahin Khan Neil degrass tyson
@@slob_job2870 Potatoes Patatos.
Nahin Khan soda pop
BIGbby Huey oh hell nah you on that generic shit
Physicist: I’m a physicist
Joe Rogan: I disagree
The physicist is not talking about physics though is he? Rogan holds his own here.
TheTTguy no be doesn’t. He holds on to the belief that we are important to aliens... because he himself can’t conceptualise how far advanced the other guy is describing. If we are talking about a GALACTIC race to think they would be interested in a mere planetary race surely is illogical. To get to being a galactic race they’re lightyears ahead of us in terms of technology and evolution. What could they learn from a planetary species that they have probably seen/ experienced or tested an infinite number of times over? Typical ego of human beings thinking we are more than what we are... basically bacteria.
@@Brownwall well we observe bacteria and viruses so your argument is flawed in itself.
Humans always assume they are the most important thing out there.
Quality Work technological advancement grows at an exponential rate at a factor of roughy 10 so your calculations is off dramatically. It won’t take that long to become a galactic race. Secondly, technological advancement might go in different direction in terms of expansion, there are theories that suggest that technologically superior species might go nano as it is way more efficient.thirdly, to base your idea of what an extremely advanced civilisation might be curious about is stupid non the less as it’s all theory. Lastly(in my opinion), if I was apart of a galactic civilisation I would want to know who the fuck lives in my crib and detail everything in between because I can.
I love Rohan’s response. Very good!
I still can’t get over the fact we’re on a floating rock in the middle of infinite darkness. People say they don’t believe in magic. Well folks, magic is all around us.
Zack dat deep
Ok Zack
Or sum
Zack well we’re not “in the middle”, and we don’t know if it’s infinite.
@@glasscleaner4439 Okay glass cleaner
"you're bald" Joe rogan "I disagree"
He would technically be correct in disagreeing, he still has some hair but he chooses to shave it. 😁
Is a shaved head not considered bald?
Johann: Shaved and bald are different things
Mud Puppy
But in appearance it’s pretty much the same, isn’t it? Whether through genetics or hairstyle choice, I would consider a hairless head a bald head.
Johann: You can almost always tell shaved versus bald unless someone is putting in a lot of effort to razoring their whole dome twice or more a week
You know how uninteresting photos of your friend's baby is?
That's the level of interest aliens have in us.
Hilariously accurate. I'd assume
Wow that’s why they are here and I have seen amazing things don’t take my word for it watch the pertagons video of tic tax ufo and if it can disappear in less than a second of 25 miles, which it did the CO of the flight group that saw this thing said in less than a second and they have visibility of at least 20 miles at the altitude at least they could see it disappear into a lil dot but this thing disappeared in less than a second so they are here and who are you to say why. And btw why idk do you ? Oh please please talk as if you kno something else
@@edgeofenlightenment7088 dude put down the pipe
@@edgeofenlightenment7088 tic tac ufo does not equal alien space ship buddy. Put the lsd away it obviously isn't doing anything good for you.
Your a shit friend then mate. I love my mates baby like my own family so when I get to see pictures of her it interests me quite a bit
That was such a great conversation
Im with Brian Greene here, we cant even imagine how advanced some civilizations might be.
There’s two issues involved here. One is the advanced civilization going out of their way to interact with us, and two, us detecting their existence/activity regardless of whether they’re interested in us. If they’re not interested, which is debatable, why haven’t we detected their existence? This remains unanswered.
@@alexh1524 Think about the factors of why that is.
1 = speed of light
(When we see very distant habitable planets we determine if they have a decent chance for intelligent and complex life forms, we see them as they were hundreds of thousands often millions of years ago). because light has a speed
2 = Our Current Technology in 2022
Its like what, 63 years ago since we landed on the hecking moon. it is all a axcellerating process where we get more and more advanced with a rapid growth, look at any chart about human development. like everything is skyrocketing.
Id bet my halfgrown mustache on that in minimum 30 (It may be alot less) years we have actually Discovered Legit evidence of life on another planet. with the use of either the James webb telescope or some entirely new model directed towards scanning planets
3 = an Analogy to illustrate my point
If you say you doubt there is other lifeforms on other planets in space.
it will be like if you go to the sea with a tea spoon, to scoop it up with water, then determingly claiming you have proven whales dont exist
"Because then if they do, why have i not found any in my spoon"
I ask, not because I’m convinced one way or the other, but because it appears to be a legitimate question. I understand that civilizations that started at around our time would not be detectable because of the vast distances. I ask about civilizations that could have sprung up millions or billions of years before us.
@@alexh1524 Yee i understand.
but the thing is, we havent seen them because they dont show up yet, for us they dont exist yet.
Advanced lifeforms like us are probably very rare in space, so it has to be a huge distance between us. therefore we cant see them because the light takes so long to travel.
with James weeb they zoom millions of light years, to investigate the forming of early galaxies
Even if some civilizations are far far beyond us on a technological scale. Light speed travel is kind of impossible, because it destroys our biological cells, and probably disrupts other mechanics
And the fact that we're not dead yet means that for those civiliztions to survive to that advanced point, they must have mastered a strong moral code. Or at least have a very good utilitarian reason not to destoy us.
Joe cannot accept that the aliens are just not that into him.
TAO TAO wait till he hits Spotify. Then no one will give a shit
jondrew55 😂🤣😂🤣😂 you mean to tell me you’re not subscribed?
Yeah. Same here.
TAO TAO truth is I have tons of respect for Joe. He built his podcast from dirt, and if he’s cashing in more power to him.
jondrew55 Oh, I’m not mad at him for cashing in. I would too. I’m just not spending my cash on the inevitable subscription even if it starts for free. I’m holding on to my cash because I have less than Joe. 🤣
Haaaaaaahhaaha
Joe disagrees because he stares at his ant farm for 45 mins when he’s on DMT
😂😂
@TJ Thunder from an outsider's pov someone on psychedelics looks idiotic and mindless but we know that's not the case. Personally couldn't stare at a dead cockroach but you do you
Joe completely misunderstood the argument. What he thinks is interesting is a big nothingburger to life forms that have figured out intergalactic travel. Nuclear weapons? Lol. They would consider them junk toys.
@@MrJamberee I for one am glad extraterrestrials haven't invaded Earth. They would enslave us. However I wouldn't mind if they domesticate us like Porno for Pyros sang about in "Pets".
Dmt?
I love how smart Joe is on all aspects of knowledge in general
He is humble and curious.
hahahahaha bahaha I assume you are being sarcastic
?? You don’t think someone with over 2,000 interviews isn’t a smart person?
@@peterparter69 he clearly doesn’t understand what Brian was saying. I’ve followed Greene for the past two decades. He’s a genius. Joe doesn’t realize that Brian is saying that in order for intelligent aliens to be advanced enough to contact us, they’d be so advanced that they wouldn’t bother to do so. It would be like humans trying to start a conversation with fruit flies. He doesn’t understand scale. A lot of people that aren’t exactly intellectually endowed lack that ability, which is important when talking about these topics.
Hes a genius. I think he should be presinedt
Joe seems offended that Green is saying aliens aren't interested in us.
Cause it doesn't seem like a legitimate argument. Humans are capable of reasoning and critical thinking unlike any other animal there is. We're able to create and evolve and have a level of awareness that aliens would and should find fascinating enough to study. However, I already believe alien life is monitoring us. I am more than confident that alien life has already visited earth and monitors from a distances. Some theories suggest that we were even placed on this planet by aliens as an experiment to see how we'd evolve and adapt and create societies.
@@josephBo I agree honestly. Reminds me of Prometheus. But that always made sense to me. They could have started our life.. then visited a few times.. out ancestors wouldn't know the term alien, they would have used God. And I am sure they continued watching. Probably still are. But just like people who study nature they don't interfere and just observe. 🤷🏼♀️
Idk makes sense to me.
@@savannahjohnson633 People are just very dismissive of the word "alien" if you bring it up in discussion. There is almost an undeniable amount of proof that shows that aliens have at one point or another visited our planet. I firmly believe they still monitor us and visit us quite frequently
Why “should” they be interested in us? We aren’t entitled to that simply because we are the smartest species on this planet. Monkeys reason and interact exactly as we do, just nowhere near the scale or the intelligence that we have. I think it’s really important to remember that aliens, who I believe are probably monitoring us too, are probably interested in us in the same way that we are interested in monkeys. And, the best thing for us, from their perspective is to leave us alone and let us grow and figure our shit out before they give us any sort of introduction at all. but also, consider the fact that any alien that is able to monitor us without us knowing, visit us without us knowing, or even get to this planet, has a level of technology so far beyond hours, that we cannot even conceive of its origins.
@@josephBo It's very likely. If an alien civilization is advanced enough to manipulate gravity then most likely they've mastered how to create life.
If you listen closely you can hear Eddie outside banging on the door.
Lol
Lmao
Lolol
xMidgeWON 😂😂😂 while screaming I WATCHED A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THIS!!!
😂😂😂😂
"We are not that interesting"
Have you seen Florida man?
Not that interesting
Neanderthalers
What if there’s another planet out there like us who are more technologically advanced than us and they do the same. We just wouldn’t be that interesting anymore. So they would go check them out. Maybe when the aliens first discovered us it was interesting for a while but then when we stopped making crazy technology and started to not advance our technology like we use to. Than they got bored and moved on. I mean c’mon man the last thing that probably impressed them was the freaking moon landing. Which was back in 1969 of July. What else is there besides military drones or iPhones? The rail gun? Which is probably a primitive weapon compared to theirs.
*The* Florida Man'
@@Turboman-kx7cc they were impressed by faking the moon landing ? Hhhhhhhh just kidding i thought what would Eddie bravo say
I so enjoy you asking all the questions I would. Thank Joe 7:34 and thank you to your guest. I'm enjoying his observatio n s and his humanising science. 8:41
The problem with Joe’s argument is he is assuming that aliens would have the same curiosity as humans. “The thing about aliens is, they’re alien.” - Gregory Benford.
Exactly. Cannot put human logic on aliens
@Bad Cattitude if they are out for resources then earth is not special. But if they want to find other species then there's a possibility
Please tell me you guys know it takes electricity or some kind of energy source to stay warm in space and that power sources are not gonna last a whole trip if solar panels get less power as you leave a star. Aliens must follow the same rules of physics as us.
That's as false as it gets, evolution is driven by science, which it self is fueled by curiosity.....so every intelligent lifeform out there possess this characteristic!
rpm24 so you’ve met them?
No one's giving Joe credit for asking intriguing questions to a world renowned physicist. Good job Joe.
Yeah good point. Thanks Joe.
@Verenious And he does not share dmt
It’s his job
He actually gets 200 million dollars worth of credit for it
@@pintobiscuit theres always the one guy saying nonsense like joe not getting credit the hell with that no one expects rogan is gonna ask stupid questions and he gets shit load of money lol
Brian opens his mouth to speak.
Joe: I disagree.
Healthy conversation
@Ali Raza Exactly, same ones that comment this will say that Brendan agrees with everything Joe says, cant make everybody happy lol
Ye, this bold brainiac is unwatchable.
I just dont know how i calmly wach his videos before. I cant stand him now.
One of Joe's better guests, was totally hooked listening to his ideas.
agreed!!
Brian was a great choice truly
That makes one of us
Franklin A Rogers same here. I had to rewind several times in many places in the convo to try to understand what he was saying. Super intriguing though
You should give his book, The Elegant Universe a read. Super accessible and entertaining. Gives you a firm grasp of the core concepts of cosmology
Its totally human to think that aliens would have the same frame of mind.
Edit: Wow... Thanks for the likes everyone! Most I ever got!
ifitscool Yup. Joe is thinking 2020 human and not 700000000 life. “Well we’re interested with butterflies... why wouldn’t they be interested in us?” Well because the differences between us and a butterfly is much more fascinating than humans on earth in 2020 and aliens that are billions of years into modernization.
@@ITRIEDEL Doesn't explain anything either. If life and advancement of technology is common we're talking anything from hundreds to millions of different alien species from different worlds, with different cultures, values and interests. Each civilization with populations most likely well in the hundreds of trillions and more.
And none of these civilizations, not even just a group among these trillions upon trillions of individuals has found us interesting?
I can only make it plausible in a very specific and unlikely scenario where one civilization conquered everyone else and this specfic society isn't interested in other species and they're only waiting to destroy or conquer us because it's not necessary or ideal yet. But that's an extremely unlike scenario and the society would have to be so old we'd still be stuck with the question of why we're not seeing their ancient expansion when looking at the stars.
Or maybe life and advancement of technology is *not* common. But wouldn't that make us interesting in itself?
And can we even imagine intelligent life developing technology without at least some form of curiosity?
Vlad this comment is top-notch 👏🏼👏🏼
Vlad - animals don’t find humans interesting. They see us as just threats or instrumental to their survival. thinking the way a human thinks and thinking with a prefrontal cortex assumes these possibilities. It’s easy to assume we’re interesting because we’re all we know. Aliens could have a completely different thought process - beyond all understanding especially if they are advanced beyond our comprehension. They don’t have similar traits. Technology and advancement may be the forefront of their existence.
If there were an alien life form with an economy and structure similar to ours would likely find us interesting because based on these variables they are similar, but the chances an alien life form similar to us that happens to “discover” us is extremely rare considering all the possibilities from no aliens to aliens that have discovered time jumps or something similar,
I tend to agree that any advanced society would be sufficiently “interested” in life forms on other planets. In fact, the more advanced they are, the less there is to discover and learn on their home world and they’ve looked outward to other stars and planets as we’ve done.
Though it’s highly likely they’re not interested enough to take massively long and strenuous journeys to visit us.
they aren't saying anything that stoners haven't covered already.
sentryogmixmaster nothing!
@@s.goodie you clearly haven't smoked weed before. And I think most of the E.T "theories" are crocks of shit wrought on by repressed existentialism.
lol..totaly i had this conversation at 15 yo...
More like people who trip. Weed doesn’t do that
Daniel Zeuli lol go home your drunk. I’ve had this conversation n then some while stoned. Screw hallucinations, this is actually open minded dialogue occurring not just seeing stuff that isn’t there lol total difference
This was a very intriguing video , two great perspectives!
Man: looks at Joe
Joe: I don’t buy that for two reasons.
PsychoMoFoGaming 😂😂😂😂😂
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2 Aliens in a spaceship observing Earth -
1st Alien "I see Humanity has developed nuclear weapons."
2nd Alien "But are they dangerous?"
1st Alien "I don't think so, they have them all pointed at each other."
Who else would they point it on?
This is fucking awesome 👍🏻
@@GregorBautista he means that the one alien thought that humans are a competitive species but then a "plot twist" ...
Gbfk7 other intelligent life possibly looking to attack their planet, not point it at each other as humans look to kill our own species because of religion race and standards of living
You couldn’t have said that better
There are some humans that spend their entire life studying ants.
@Chris Ruiz what do you think aliens are doing to us
@Chris Ruiz ok dude
Chris Ruiz How can you be sure?
Chris Ruiz Alpha Centauri, and the Zeta Reticuli system are both confirmed to have planets within the habitable zones, and they are within that radius. That’s two planets older than ours within the habitable zones of their nearest stars.
Robert Smalls yeah but just because they could have life doesn’t mean it’s intelligent life.
We need more videos with titles like this
A lot of the Rogan clips will have a title saying “neurologist explains” or “biologist explains” not the actual person’s name or the episode number
it is amazing how both of these people are able to have an argument all while staying completely calm and respecting each others views and not really trying to win the argument but rather just add onto what they're already talking about more like a conversation
I know it's pretty cool to watch grown up stuff! There Convo just flows...
Why is this normal human behavior amazing? What is amazing about it? If you can’t hold a conversation like this then you’re no different from the chimps. I.e, you have low intelligence.
@@geraltofrivia3344 I agree. I see this kind of comment all the time when sharing perspectives peacefully should be normal for everybody. Sadly it isn't but if you are incapable doing this than you just simply aren't mature enough.
@@gibraltar0553 or have the mental capacity to do so
@@geraltofrivia3344 im not sure it's related to intelligence I think it might be more of an emotional issue for some. A lot of smarter people then me can't have a normal conversation without getting defensive. And we all have subjects that incites an emotional response based on life experiences.
Joe out here trying to have "high" thoughts with an expert physicist
r/underrated comment
Joe seems like a dummy on this one
And?
T GC B
ruh how?
@@Nahsra58 because the physicist is providing numbers (time) to back up his explanation. Joe is just asking "but why" as his response to the physicists explanations. Joe is really not capturing what the physicist is trying to explain
Physicist: I had eggs for breakfast.
Joe: I disagree.
Not even close to being an accurate summary of this conversation.
I disagree.
@@avatarpopco So what you're saying is that, you disagree?
Have you seen me? I disagree
My stance has not changed, I disagree
Joe is assuming a totally different species has the same interests and curiosities as we do.
True
And Brian's entire argument is assuming they don't.
@@Samuel-th6fw I think Brian's argument was more that they might have had those interests at an earlier development but have long since transcended those types of interests when they became 'galactic'.
@@Samuel-th6fw no because brians says they very well might observe us but joe rogan flat out says he disagrees entirely with Brian's argument.
yeah cause in deep part of our mind we hope there are different versions of our species, so what he means is if other humans but much more advanced were looking at us, u know ?
"Yeah but Joe, you're assuming these aliens are ripping the bong everyday like you."
exactly lol
Best comment.
And thinking about stuff
The Man's a bum ignore him
@@lee-lw7hz your a bum and I ignore you
I smoked a joint 20 minutes ago
Now I'm watching this on my car, in a parkin lot close to a Chinese restaurant.
Where's the money Lebowski ?
Arent we all
eXplosive truTh -- hahhh. I’m in a Chinese food restaurant right now with my head phones in. 🤣
NO MSG.
eXplosive truTh sounds nice
Joe, you are a great example as to how boring we really are.
Lmao
The problem is that everyone puts the process of aliens visiting us in a box. Everyone thinks it’s gotta be like the movies, with a big spaceship coming to earth. If a super advanced life form out in the universe can figure out inter dimensional space travel, they can figure out how to observe us without us ever evening knowing. They could be watching us in a fourth or fifth dimension, in some way we can’t even comprehend.
Good thoughts, it’s like how people interpret angels and demons as actually being aliens because they’re present but on a different plane on existence. But how does that’ shit work?
Yep!
That's true Luke. If we can only see 0.005% of the light spectrum it's quite possible that we are being observed by non terrestrials.
Think about this..
If humans didn't have noses, then we would have no idea that scent/smell is a thing. Similarly, if we didn't have ears, would we know sound/noise exists? So imagine what other senses there are that we can't experience because the human body just doesn't have the tools for it.
@@andrewhiggins224 fantastic 👍
What a conversation ! Both are right and then questioned in the next sentence constantly. Loved every second of it.
Definitely. And weren't remotely offended when questioned.
Maybe life like us is so common that they don’t even bother
We can see very far into space and haven't found anything, space is so big though so who knows
Or maybe they are smarter than us and saw all the hatred and war and chose to stay away.
If it were so common we would have found some of it by now.
JD JD we’re a speck compared to the rest
JD JD you also have to consider that if we look at a planet that’s 100 million light years away, we’re seeing 100 million years in the past not what’s actually occurring right now. There could be a whole civilization on a planet that we look at and see nothing at all just like if they looked at our plant from that distance right now they wouldn’t see us, they’d see the dinosaurs
I like how Joe actually disagrees instead of just agreeing to everything like most podcasts. Good conversation
Einstein: e=mc2
Joe: I don’t buy it
That little equation is like a great example of universe for us
Einstein - e=mc2
Joe: d=mt2
I always like to think it terms of mc2=E.
Joe Rogan: I disagree.
Stephan A: Here's why I disagree with your disagreement.
Or Soliloquy lol
One of them just needed to say, “Aliens aren’t human so their thoughts, actions, and emotions are acted on differently than ours”
I mean interestingly, even if Aliens did show up on Earth, they probably wouldn’t even be able to hear us because their ears (if they have them) didn’t form under the parameters of our atmosphere
The train of thought at the beginning seems to suggest that at least Joe thinks they might be future humans. The famous Grays are the logical result of our current trend of shrinking in size and strength while increasing our brain size, and perhaps their skin color is an effect of different lighting conditions.
Why would they even want to see us? What if these things are older than we can comprehend? Maybe we're just another graduating middleschool class to them
I stopped at "Aliens aren’t human" said who ? if there is a planet like earth (high % that there is more than just one) where life on it started thousands of years before ours and we all know same conditions MOST OF THE TIMES give same results so yes maybe not the humans we know now (btw, if a black person in middle of Africa who only saw black people all his life and you show an Asian to him, he will think that he's not like him an he's not human ) so this "human" thingy is debatable, what if planet earth humans in thousands of years will look different too ? we already look different from our ancestors don't we ?
But we can detect stuff that we can't percieve, like ultra violet and super high pitch, so if an civilization which is millions years ahead of us exists, they might understand our perceptions in how see and percieve everything around us.
Now THAT'S a good conversation!
Conversations like this just prove how pathetic a 9-5 job really is.
😂
Very true. Very insightful. You are now a slightly higher form of human. Keep up the journy my friend.
Mik Wakefield some of us are stuck with those jobs. It’s not so easy to get out
@@NZealand I agree and I'm one of them.
Some people have to do things to enable others the capacity not to.
I swear Joe brings up that spear fishing orang outan every episode
Ur right
It is pretty something though
Spear fishing orangutan, dmt, elk meat, and the burning bush. Daily go-to's.
@@jordana5660 don’t forget jiu jitsu
Gail Breslin I don’t remember saying he isn’t. Curb your dyslexia please
Joe: “why would we assume they are that much more advanced than us”
Joe... if they can get here from other star systems, they are well beyond us
The question is why haven't they visited us, that doesn't imply that they can.
Great point, but it is entirely possible that some sort of wormhole or natural galactic port that can allow inter dimensional travel within their area, crazy theory, just a thought though.
When we visit ants, do they know we are there....or do they just feel our vibration.
Tyler Jacobson assuming the life is close by galactic standards still the amount of energy necessary to make and interstellar trip is so enormous so technically what green is describing there’s no incentive to spend trillions of dollars to see an ant colony destroying itself
Our cosmic neighbourhood in the galaxy could be in the radius of 3000 light years and just with current technology to make the trip to alpha century 4.5 light years away it would take us 75 ....... THOUSAND YEARS
Why haven't Aliens visited us? This question presumes that multiple scenarios exist such as :-
1) There are alien species in the Milky Way galaxy other than humans. As far as we are concerned, we could be the only one and other species have yet to develop, are in their infancy, or exist in another galaxy.
2) Presumes that they are aware of our presence. It's possible they are out there but still have yet to discover humanity.
3) Presumes that some form of advanced Interstellar technology is possible. We have theories on how to build such devices but they require ridiculous levels of energy to function. It's possible that such devices are impossible to build so alien civilizations are stuck on their home star system .
4) Presumes that they must have a reason to visit Earth or communicate with humanity. As Greene said, they are smart enough that we have nothing to offer them or some galactic law prevents them from communicating with primitive species.
5) Presumes that we haven't made contact before. They could have arrived to Earth many years before but the evidence was either never documented, withered away through history, or was destroyed.
6) Presumes that we aren't actively communicating now. It's possible that aliens are only communicating with our higher levels of authority such as the government and such information is kept secret for whatever reason.
These are what I could think of.
These are all good potential explanations. Most arguments revolve around the drake equation and the Indifference Principle (that we should assume we are average unless there's a specific reason to assume otherwise).
There are 400 billion stars in the galaxy spread over a disk 100,000 LY wide. The universe is 14 billion years old. So let's say life could appear between ten billion years ago and ninety billion years from now. It's been estimated that a species colonizing the galaxy could fill it up in about 25 million years.
Earth is about 5 billion years old. There's evidence of life within a few hundred millions years of the planet forming. Then, only single celled life until about 500 million years ago. Humans evolved about 5 million years ago, invented agriculture 10,000 years ago, and our entire industrial civilization is 500 years old.
What can we conclude? Assuming they are limited by the speed of light, most aliens in the galaxy who decide to look at us will at best see an intelligent but pretechnological species. Observers in nearby galaxies see macroscopic (multicellular) life.
Under the Indifference Principle, we see no reason why some aliens couldn't have popped up a billion years earlier than us and filled the galaxy almost immediately in stellar terms. Upon encountering Earth, they would have found a planet with nothing but prokaryotic single celled life. So why wouldn't they have colonized our solar system? Maybe some aliens care so much that they would have left our world as a nature preserve, but would EVERY race have cared that much? They wouldn't just be different from us, they'd be different from each other, so you'd think that at least some species would be expansionistic. Five hundred years of human industry has made detectable changes to the planet. After five hundred MILLION years, wouldn't at least some alien species be affecting their solar systems enough to be detectable? At 100k LY, there's plenty of time for the light from alien stellar engineering projects to have reached us. Yet we've looked and haven't seen any.
The challenge of the Fermi paradox is that any solution that allows advanced alien species to exist in our galaxy has to apply nearly universally among what is probably an incredibly diverse array of possible intelligent species. Yes, aliens might be different from us in ways that might make them less detectable, but it's equally likely that they differ from us in ways that make them MORE detectable.
Given the speed of light and the distances involved, it's not surprising that we haven't been contacted or visited yet. But it is VERY surprising that we haven't seen evidence of their existence in other solar systems and also surprising that some of them haven't been here all along.
Me focusing on Joes big bald head when he said, "our brains are getting bigger our heads are getting bigger."
Fara-Farai HAHAHAHAHHAAH bruh so true
🤣🤣
Same haha
Hgh head
@@albertweedsteinthethuggeni7797
Forreal tho!? Is that a thing!?
I'm sure it most likely is a thing tho....
I wanna do some for only a short duration of time and for healthcare reasons and not bodybuilding....
Is it safe in small doses infrequently?
We're the "undiscovered tribe" of the universe. They're looking at us like we look at remote tribes like the one of North Sentinel Island.
Citation?
@d b Did you not read the second sentence? None of that was either analogy or opinion. You have to prove that other "tribes" exist in the first place for us to be considered the undiscovered one.
@d b last I checked "we are" doesn't equal "we might" just like the "we are the undiscovered tribe of the universe". Nothing about that comment was either speculation or opinion.
And who gave you the authority to twist the meaning of what he said to not mean their face value?
@d b there is nothing in the comment that implies any form of speculation. Point it out, and we'll go from there.
But you won't, because it isn't there now is it.
Kopitio Bozynski holy shit dude chill out
Joe “infinite number of Joe Rogans “ Rogan
Hahahahaha!
"When Mik makes love with me, he gives me the world" jodie Foster, never said that. Unfortunately.
Roe Jogan
Once again, that was fun! 🤣 Great to see Steph! Don't miss Laurence at all. 😝 Safe trip home! (I know, she already there.. 😂)
Cheers! 🇨🇦 🇺🇸 🇬🇧
A flat earthers head exploded while watching this.....
Eddie Bravo is now dead
The MMA Dispute......the revelation of a flat plane earth isn't for everyone....
theProdigalSon “revelation”..... yikes
theProdigalSon lol
All jokes aside you still doubt which is a sign of your intelligence.
The most joe has ever disagreed with a guest besides Adam “right” conover
Props to Joe for the way he calmly disagreed. Smart people do that and it prompted more explanations from Greene which makes a good back and forth between interviewer and guest I think.
Cuz joe is an alien trying to keep the lid on it
Good-natured disagreement is fundamental to sciences like this, not the ideology Adam was espousing
Dude as soon as he said he disagreed i was like "OH shit" paused the video got a snack then came back😂 If joe disagrees with something you knows its gonna be good
@Jeff B Jeff "Skeptic" B
I am so stoned and this is better then any physics class
I know lol getting buried for then instead of than I'm from south Texas rgv we talk like that anyways different THEN the usual
😂 😂 😂
You people are wild.
Drugs are bad mkay
😂same
I’m right there with you homie 🔥
Every time bro
theres prolly an alternate reality where this video is titled "What if Aliens never visited us"
It's like watching a middle school teacher who is trying to gently get around the fact that all of the kids are answering his questions completely wrong. "Weeellll that's an interesting thought, Timmy, buuut...."
The title should be called “ joe rogan disagrees with physicist for 2 reasons”
Commander Cooks I think this physicist is wrong about this alien theory; I mean scientists are more interested in things than the average person is, and scientists will try to make others interested. Scientists are literally interested in watching two particles hit each other at light speeds, just because they can do it.
For real lol he’s putting these very well thought out ideas to joe and he’s just like “nah bro we’re the shit, they definitely want to come see us” lmaoo
Anthony Sunday huh?
@@brytonwallis4817 His point though is in 10,000+ years or 1 billion years or however further advanced that alien species is, whatever human life turns into would no longer be interested in crashing 2 particles together, or physics in general. Even the scientists. It would likely all be figured out, or we would at least be on the next thing after physics and so on.
@The Monotone Man An alien species 1 billion years more advanced would no longer have use for laughter, or even entertainment. It would all be a waste of their time.
They might have already observed us and went: “meh”
They have already come, ancient Egyptian art shows this. The pyramids are basically power stations and how do you think we got that technology? Look into it.
@@DC-bp8sx hahahahaha i need your drugs!
@@DC-bp8sx agree I like that theory
Or they've seen similar examples and decided it's not worth driving all the way out to the suburbs to see the same thing.
more like ew
My mind boggles to hear people like Greene and Neil Degrass! I am struggling with remembering algebra & trigonometry I learnt in school and these guys are solving mysteries of the universe!!
“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”
Arthur C. Clarke
"Two possibilities exist: either the same person keeps posting this quote on every alien video or they are not. Both are equally terrifying. Because this quote is EVERYWHERE.
Just busting your balls haha
I actually disagree with both notions.
I think both are incredibly interesting.
beautybymelxoxo ok
BossAman Barrage i laughed ahahah, all good
I hadn't seen this before I'm glad you posted it haha
Knowledge just oozing and pouring out of this convo❤
Joe can't grasp that we may not be amazing
Nah, Joe has heard that from every physicist he’s ever talked to...some say its got a foundation, others have said it’s just being fashionable to be so cynical about Earthlings
Ikr, it's not that difficult to grasp that first of all, if a civilization is advanced enough to visit us, it's most likely that their knowledge about evolutionary science is way beyond us and possibly to the point that studying us might just be redundant for them
Joe's take on this is one of his worst.
@@MrTed-xi2iz no.
@@gregs9210 and yet more intelligent than 'oh they wouldnt be interested'
Brian Greene: Aliens have not observed Earth
*Turns out to be Alien himself*
I imagined the braces meme kid
This conversation felt like two sides of me talking to each other with completely opposite POV on this subject.
"It would be like us going out of our way to destroy a few microbes on an anthill in Africa."
- Jodie Foster (Contact 1997)
And how bad would be feel about killing a few microbes on an anthill in Africa
Great movie.
@@shawnhilton9045 Our recent ancestors took men as slaves, murdered abs raped them without feeling bad about it. Maybe the human race will be slaves once day?
@@vCLOWNSHOESv I think you miss the point imagine you getting on a plane going to Africa just to go fuck up a ant hill an go home not worth the effort
@@levihadley9586 I'm kidding with you. There are no aliens coming to probe your back door so relax. If there was a more advanced civilization they would not treat us as equals just like we didn't treat primitive cultures very well and still don't. I love old Star Trek and Star Wars before Disney but it's fiction. Do you believe we went to the moon?
There are a lot of ant hills out there. And not every single one has been studied or looked at. Maybe we're just one of those.
That’s what Greene was trying to say but Joe didn’t quite understand that.
holy shit are you just saying what this guy said? okay????????????????????? stating what the the fuck he just said? fucking mental ass people
Crwth Ghiikilzic You believe we’ve been visited by aliens?
Brian is one of those guests that Joe can't be stoned for.
he's probably the smartest physicist i've heard speak. smarter than tyson.
@@fraser_mr2009 i AGREE , tyson scream a lot and i don't love his way at all
@@mrdev714 Adderall is a hell of a drug.
@@mrdev714 tyson way of talking is interesting i don't know if this guy is the smartest physicist just by his way of talking either his ideas on why aliens wouldn't come made no sense soooooo
@@zacharyshort384 dude was geeked out
If the intro to aliens are the likes of rogan, musk instead Greene.. That's probably the reason why they're avoiding us
Joe “Interested in squirrels” Rogan
this guy is cappin he knows way more than hes leading on
DESIREMORE elaborate
kelvin cabell just look at the way he talks or the way he looks when he answers questions, the proofs there
DESIREMORE I wonder if he is attempting to simplify his true thoughts. When experts talk to other experts they can assume that the other already knows quite a bit in the field but when talking to someone such as joe he likely needs to change his approach to explaining things
When you are an expert in a complex field like physics you have to be careful about how much you say and how you say it. It is really easy to lose your audience with concepts that are simple to you but make very little sense to the average person. Brian was being really polite, but could have blown up Joe's arguments if he wanted to.
Pissed Bob Ross to me it just look like you lack imagination and hope and a better name
Joe also wants to believe in aliens so bad I thought he was gonna start crying
@StenXa Theoretically, infinite size means there's at least one possibility. But i would like to see one before dying just say to myself that there is sentient life on other planet.
StenXa it would be foolish to believe we are the only life form there’s so many planets out there and we’re supposed to assume our planet was the only one to get life forms?
@@gunship0995 Even extra-terrestrial bacteria would be enough for me.
No matter how advanced you are it all comes down to basics
Joe's theories are so human-centric. He starts every sentence with "we". There is no reason to assume Aliens will think like us. Also, the amount of time we've even conceived of Aliens, is the blink of an eye on Universal time scales. Even 1000 years is a huge difference and we've been active for 80.
ironically, that's how people talk about God
@@scienz explain
@@saracurasana714 ever heard the phrase "a day to God is a thousand years"?
@@scienz no . Explain straight and simple , onegaishimasu~
@@saracurasana714 Human centrism and assuming God will think like us
Maybe aliens have an ethical code where they see us but they have decided to leave us alone.
or maybe they dont fuck with us bc we destroy everything we come across for our own benefit, i dont think aliens are cunts
So the Federation is real then?
Necr0Danc3r dun dun dun duuuuuunnnn
A truce between earth and alien planet
If theres billons of planets out there is life every where why stop at a zoo to look at ants when theres a whole zoo to look at
Bria Greene : Th-
Joe: nah, don't buy it
HaHaHaHaHahHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHahHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!
Joe Rogan: Na, we got Nukes! 👀👀👀🤣🤣🤣
His reason makes perfect sense though he said human are like ants but there are many people who study ants and in an intergalactic empire they're would be more people who do that than people who even live in earth and we onky need one alien to come or send a massage for us to know they exist
Lol
@@melvinklark4088 And Greene's answer is that there is probably no one within the radio bubble to pick up on our signal even if they might be interested. Human just weren't around long enough
Except that we DO hang out on Ant Hills, and we do study lower lifeforms, so that explanation holds no water. Plus if you ask a lot of people we have been visited and frequently.
Joe Rogan: “We have MMA and DMT; of COURSE aliens would find us interesting!”
John Taylor
Don’t jokes are getting old you cookie cutter
Brian's view is very unscientific. The bulk of his argument is that aliens would find our civilization boring and unworthy of attention which he has no evidence for. There is evidence that they would be interested in us as Joe argues. He is also completely ignoring aliens' moral duty of making earth a better place by interfering with our civilization if they have the power to do so.
Brian is also assuming that the exponential scientific development will continue for a long time. Anybody that understands exponential growth will tell you, exponential growth will not last for long. For example, CPU speed is no longer growing exponentially, like it did for decades. On the contrary, scientific development may have a logarithmic increase in the future because every time you discover something, the next piece of knowledge will be more complex and will require more reasoning to discover. So, we will have to spend more time to discover new knowledge. So, the difference between a 15,000 years old civilization and a 1,000,000,000 years old civilization may not be huge.
I want to make it clear that I am not underestimating how complicated the universe may be. In fact, I am arguing that it is probably physically impossible for intelligent beings to discover the vast majority of knowledge about the universe, within the life time of the universe.
Why do I think aliens don't contact us? The possibilities from most likely to least likely in my opinion are:
1- They don't have the technology for intergalactic travel in short period of time. That would require them to go faster than light. We have no evidence that it is possible to travel faster than light.
2- They don't know we are here. There are trillions of stars in the universe. It is very hard to spot earth in this endless universe.
3- They spend ALL of their resources on solving the ultimate problem: heat death of the universe. They are trying to figure out how to stop or survive the heat death of the universe. Since, this problem is about life and death, they wouldn't do anything else but try to solve it.
@@bunderbah You are assuming that aliens must follow some "moral duty"--especially something that YOU, a human, considers moral. You are again conceptualizing the alien through your limited human lens. They could easily be indifferent to any conceptions of "right and wrong", something akin to us not worrying about the moral good or evil of passing by, ignoring, or even stepping on an ant as we walk by. So the idea of them having a moral duty to make some piece of rock in this infinitely-expanding universe a better place, is a very biased and arrogant assumption. Your third point would hold more weight about them focusing or dealing with incomprehensibly hard challenges and goals that are so grand in scope, scale, and cognition--that we have no way of comparing it or tethering it to the challenges we deal with on Earth--including how we conduct scientific experimentation and what we deem as interesting enough to observe.
@@Kroitk "They could easily be indifferent to any conceptions of "right and wrong." Wrong, without any moral understanding you can't create an advanced civilization. Somethings will be universal about civilized beings. For example, they will be made out of atoms. They will be intelligent and they will have morals.
Let's say morality is not a universal constituent of civilizations but if we agree that there are many civilizations then some of them will be similar to us. So, we can look at our projection and infer how some of the more advanced civilizations would behave. We would help another civilization if we didn't have problems of our own and if we had the power to help them. That means we should have been visited by some aliens.
I don't agree when people try to dismiss earth as just a rock. There are conscious beings on earth. Consciousness is the only thing that can matter in this universe, without it the word "matter" wouldn't even exist.
Believing that they are capable of travelling faster than speed of light is unscientific. We have no scientific evidence that it is possible. If you believe that they can travel faster than speed of light you have to admit that you have a non-scientific belief.
@@bunderbah I think the assumption that morality is a necessary condition for an advanced civilization is, again, speaking through the faculty of human reasoning. Morality is important for us, a type of civilization living 2020, a few hundred thousands of years of actual "reasoning". In the grand scheme of things, another intelligent species is far more likely to be either a few hundred-thousand/million years ahead of us, or behind us, to fall into this neat bracket of them being at the same level as us or just slightly higher, would be very unlikely. Given that, we cannot possibly fathom *what* their thinking is like, but we can surmise that it would not be similar to us--as that is both arrogant and unlikely. And because "morally come and visit another planet" is something that WE would do, I don't think it is a NECESSARY condition for a far more advanced civilization. What THEY think is moral could be trying to solve the heat-death of the universe, as you said yourself, and THAT is their greater moral duty--if they consider morality that is. Visiting a spec of intellectual dust in the milky way, thousands of light years away, while knowing there are perhaps millions of planets just like us--would seem illogical to a being whose challenges are incomprehensibly grander is scope and gravity. Personally, I would of course like it to not be the case, and that they would visit us just for the sake of it or curiosity, but it is a wishful proposition and not a likely one. Who is to say their beginnings are carbon-based at all, or even remotely the same timeline of development as us? That is not a fact, either.
I don't even think we could imagine what they would or would not care about. Like a fish doesn't understand what a human is, we wouldn't understand a civilization that is millions of years ahead of us.
dansken610 especially when you consider a fish in terms of evolution has been here as long as us. They may have existed long before.
Or to achieve such a level of tech that they would need to have achieved such a level of cooperation as a species that between both they could solve any problem they have such as energy, planet destroying astroids, resources...and therefore do not have a need to expand into the universe.
A lot of people can’t even grasp the concept you just said so..
Exactly. Imagine you see their civilization--and you know IT IS a civilization--but you just can't comprehend it.
@@epicspaceship2161 Yeah like some 13 dimensions shit
The alien in my attic begs to differ
Dude, let Jose out already.
Is it Roger from American Dad?
U ARE THE ALIEN IN UR ATTIC
Does he constantly eat all your Cheetos, & drink all your Monsters??
If so, then...well you know...
roger 😬 wtf
Aliens aren’t very curious. And that’s the way it is…Goodnight.
I have never seen a talk show or pod cast with more interesting guest. Great job Joe! Thanks for many hours of mind expanding entertainment.
Should check out Isaac Arthur - Aliens. That'll toot your noggin something fierce.
All this Muti-dimension quantum stuff is the scientific community going lunatic and insane.... it's Balony in wonderland. But nothing new underneath the sun. The scientific community is embracing that gender is a social construct (which is based on 1 failed case study from the 60's) It embraces a failed gen therapy in development hell for 20 years as a mandated vaccine, it embraces that people can play God over the climate based on models... coz who needs data or science now anyway, right? In truth, the scientific community fucked up SO badly in every darn field for the past 15 years that I have literally zero trust that anything useful comes out of it. The smartest that the west can produce nowadays is a person that is so out of touch with reality he thinks we can live on Mars despite there being no atmosphere that's essential for life and his rockets to go there blow up every months and a half. So please science community, do everyone a favor and just fuck off, will ya.
I've followed Brian Greene since the 90s and the guy definitely knows his stuff and is an excellent communicator.
Yeah, he looks like an average Joe but he's a special Brian.
Suck it!
He is captivating AF and very passionate
Anyone who strts off with "humans are too boring" for aliens to come definitely does not "know his stuff".
he is talking sheer nonsense here.
the distance & laws of physics are the reason there is no contact. technology can't undo that.
The answer is simple, joe. Bc if they aren’t thousands of years ahead of us, then they couldn’t get here.
Facts. Its like our planet wouldn’t even exist to them, unless they found a way to travel at light speed to get here.
Please tell me you guys know it takes electricity or some kind of energy source to stay warm in space and that power sources are not gonna last a whole trip if solar panels get less power as you leave a star. Aliens must follow the same rules of physics as us.
MrSpliffstarz no I’m not. Joe keeps bringing up this point about “why are you assuming they are years ahead of us”. You have to, because if they weren’t then how could they even get to us? If they don’t have more advanced technology then us, then the reason they aren’t visiting us is because they don’t know we exist and even if they did they couldn’t get to us.
MrSpliffstarz maybe they are developing at a faster rate than us, but for us they are still
Thousands of years ahead. Might not be a thousand years for them but for us it prob is
Our development in time is a second on the time clock . Alien life would have to be close enough and advanced at a same level to contact us . A message sent would take hundreds of years to get here . Who would be there to accept the answer a few hundred years later ?
Brian at the end just touched on a key issue that could make a fundamental difference once is studied and understood better: quantum entanglement. The fact that it not only happens in space, but also in time, it's completely amazing and could, eventually, be the basis for Galactic travel and maybe even Time travel. Look it up and you'll be as flabbergasted as I am. Happy Trails!
"There are different kinds of infinity" I'm just gonna nod my head while the smart guy talks.
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you can use the infinite hotel as an example on another type of infinitey, say we have a hotel with infinite rooms and infinite people in those rooms, it doesn't grow, it just is infinite, then we have one person switch with the person next to them for their rooms and have one more person come in. that is a dumbed down heavily way of explaining infinitey +1, also poorly explained. then you have infinite percentages of infinite. such as say 5% of life starts within 10k years of us in an infinite number of planets and life, so that 5% is also infinite but they are not the same infinite as one is only 5% of the other yet both are infinite.
Me Me I watched that episode of Vsause too
Think of it like this: there are infinite numbers, right?
And there are infinite numbers that end in 3 (3, 53, 203 etc).
The infinity of numbers in general, is much larger than the infinity of numbers ending in 3.
There are also the known(or the thought of knowing) infinite and the one everyone knows of called pi 3.14159265359xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx the infinity of math