Jason, you're a natural!!! I love your channel and i LOVE rosess!!!!!!!! I like knowing how to rose was named, the parentage, etc. You're just the ticket!
What wonderful stories. I was a very indifferent history student in school, but told this way, in a storytelling way, is very engaging. Thank you Jason!
Your videos are how I relax. I have rose gardens planned in my head, but am waiting for the time and money to make them become a reality. In the meantime, I am soaking up all the knowledge I can about the history, the types of roses, and the care of roses from your videos. Your videos are pure joy for anybody who loves roses!
I just love the educational content you present about roses Jason! I LOVE the old roses and l enjoy a brush up on my rose knowledge. It got a bit rusty....
Jason, you make me laugh. I was just listening again while doing kitchen work because I’m trying to get the rose type differences to stick. So “because that’s how crusaders talked” 😂🤣😂🤣 laughed out loud.
I am eating chocolate and watching this and this is best time i've head in years. This is extra interesting and great job on making this history lesson long enough to be informative but short enough to not get boring!
So happy to see Yolande d’Aragon and Louise Odier because we have them and love their form and fragrance. Nice series (other than the clock above your head making you look like you have horns). Thank you!
I have one Damask rose, Ispahan, which I found quite nice. Thinking of getting Madame Hardy next. Love this series you made and if you ever feel like making more on rose history/breeding I’m sure that would be well received.
Thank you for the great videos! Greetings from Bulgaria! I am Canadian-Bulgarian and I used to live in Abbotsford (Fraser Valley) for many years, but at the time I didn't know about your videos on a 🌹 subject. Luckily in front of our building(Abbotsford) I found 2-3 gorgeous Rosa Damescena plants and I was able to make traditional Bulgarian rose syrup and rose jam. Unfortunately Rosa Damascena is losing popularity here (Bulgaria) and it is hard to find it in a local nurseries plus the goverment doesn't suport the local rose farmers and the low purchase price of rose petals makes some farmers to uproot the rose fields:((( I want to plant Rosa Damascena in my garden for sure! How did you end up with this rose from Kazanluk!?:)))) following your advises I have butiful roses in my garden, thanks again!
So wonderful that you love these roses. Definitely a man of good taste and high standards. So refreshing. Have you ever grown Madam Isaac Pereire? She's a bourbon with a raspberry fragrance. Absolutely awesome. Would you do a vid on Bourbon roses?
I’m always there with you to the end of the video! Love all the great information you put out there. What are your favorite books that cover Rose history and roses throughout history?
I have a bouquet of these (x damascena) beside me as I watch your video. The "old folks" here in the Maritimes used to call them Damascus roses. The scent always reminds me of Adrienne Clarkson.
Love it when you called me a geek rose lol. Btw FYI the Damask Rose in the middle east is called Sultani Rose Love your videos. Learned a lot. Thumbs up 👍
this is a very informative video thank you so much! Ive only recently become obsessed with Roses, especially the damask roses as it relates to the beauty industry - attar/oil/perfumes, serum and rose waters. Now i understand what my Gran was on about all those years ago! lol
Very informative video, I dont currently have any Damask. I have been slowly accumulating David Austin floribunda which I am keeping in 50cm containers at the moment and they are all waking up from bare root state at the moment!
Hi Jason. Great series! Could you advise on when I should prune my Damask and Gallica roses? I'm in the UK and have 3 year old Ispahan and Charles de Mills roses. I heard they flower on old wood, so I want to make sure I'm not going to ruin next years' display by pruning too early. But on the other hand they are already 6 ft tall.
If you can hang on until after they bloom in spring, that's generally the best time for these once-bloomers. However, if there are a few overly tall stems and you think they'd be damaged by winter wind, you might as well nip those ones off now
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I'll do that. When I cut them back after they've flowered, how far back would you recommend - is a third good? And then leave the new growth until I prune them again at the same time in the following year?
That sounds about right - but I should also say that with old garden roses, I don't focus entirely on height when pruning. I also get into the older wood in the center of the shrub and thin out some of the thickest, crustiest old stems. It helps to keep the shrub rejuvenated.
Thank you so much for the generous knowledge sharing! You’d make a great professor. Do you ever consider of opening a workshop in your nursery? I would definitely sign up if I were in your local area. Also, I am just being greedy here, but I would really love some systematic lectures about rose varieties in different climates. Most time people just mention about the hardy zone for survival, but not their performance. I live in Austin TX, and we had 100F days since May. So I noticed some of the varieties go right into summer dormancy or have a few sad flowers, but some will still hold their color and shape very well. That would be an interesting and useful topic to help picking the right varieties.
Fantastic video! Thank you, thank you!!! Are the scents of the damask roses very similar (just more or less intense) or are they very different (like different bottled perfumes)?
From the ones I've sniffed, they're all similar to commercial rose oil and perfume. I'm sure a better nose than mine would find subtle differences! One of my favorite roses for scent is 'Rose de Rescht' a Portland which is presumed to be around 50/50% damask and gallica in parentage. To me, the gallica influence softens and improves the overall scent. All personal preference, I suppose.
Today Turkey produce 60% and Bulgaria produce 35% of total damask rose in the world. Isparta city in Turkey and Kazanlak in Bulgaria are very famous cities for rose and rose oil production.
This is a really delightful history, thank you. What is the best book or reference that reliably outlines this fascinating history of roses? Thanks again.
Maravilloso este canal que acabo de encontrar. El contenido es muy interesante. Las rosas antiguas son mis favoritas, sobre todo las que tiene una sola floración. El olor de las centifolia es incomparable.🤤 ¿Qué fungicida usas tú y cuál me recomiendas? Muchas gracias por todo.
Muchas gracias. No aplico mucho fungicida, sino que me baso principalmente en la poda y la limpieza. Durante el invierno aplico azufre caldo y durante la temporada activa a veces aplico bicarbonato de potasio.
I've been trying to identify the class of an old garden rose that I took a cutting from at my grandmother's house many, many years ago. I'm thinking it may be a damask. It is once blooming, heavily petaled medium-size white rose with a very slight pink blush. The fragrance is intense. The bush is a vigorous grower, mostly upright to about 7 ft, with heavy canes and many large prickles. It's wicked to try and work with! :-)
There are a few white Damasks, but white with slight pink blush is maybe more characteristic of the Alba roses. Does the foliage have any greyish or bluish tone to it?
There is an Old Rose identification on GardenWeb, there are a group of nerds who love looking at pics and hearing the story behind it. We look at such details as height, zone, leaf color/detail, thorn, sepals, hips, and of course color and shape of bloom! The more details the better. edit: And yes the grey blue leaf is a clue to being Alba!
Now it makes more sense to pronounce the Damask Rose our woven fabric as, Dam-âsk with accent on the 2nd syllable. This Rose coming from areas like DAMASCUS? Is that where this Rose arises? Adore history & Rose history is a branch (no pun) of history, with which not many of us are familiar. Interesting indeed.
Hi Dan. Most commonly I think from a damask rose called 'Kazanlik', although sometimes from R. centifolia of R. alba as part of the process of rose oil production.
While in Morocco last year i bought Jacaranda cut roses but couldnt find a plant. They are incredibly fragrant. Impossible to find in Europe. Would you have an idea? Thank you.
If you're local, you can find me at farmers markets and plant sales. Also, we've trialed shipping within Canada this year, and I'll think we'll offer it again next spring.
I very like your videos! Thank you! But I don´t understand the difference (in habitus, form of flowers etc.) between centifolias and damasks... Can you tell about it, please?
The centifolias are characterized by rounded (globular) flowers packed with petals. They're a complex hybrid that includes Damask as a parent, so the foliage, fragrance and habit can be similar - but I do find the Damask fragrance to be more intense, and the centifolia to be more complex I guess.
Hello, thank you for these very interesting videos. I was fascinated. I've an old rose bush in my garden and I would like ti know its name. Is there a method? I've tried to see if it's a damask or gallica, not si easy... Thank you again and congratulations.
No easy way I'm afraid. It takes loads of observation and learning about the different classes. I hope maybe someday there's an inexpensive DNA type test, but until then it's a match game.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you really for answering so quickly. These roses range from white to purple, most of them being of different shades of pink on the same bush. it makes an extraordinary bush. The perfume is very strong and exquisite. It was allready in the garden when my parents bought it, in 1945! It's in blossom now. I'll go on learning from your videos. Thank you! Excuse my clumsy english, I write from France.
Thank you so much!!! very informative love it; Question, when I go buy the rose I want, how can I make sure its the rose I'm after if its not blooming? thank you!
My pleasure. You have to weigh the reputation of the nursery you're dealing with - I guess anyone can make mistakes, but the better nurseries are pretty careful with labelling. The true Kazanlik or Ispahan will have a little bit of a matte grey tone to the foliage and stems, which you can recognize once you're familiar with the plant.
Hi, I love your channel. Very informative and not boring. But I can’t help when I look at your head a clock behind it looks like you got horns. 😂😂😂. Sorry but it is very funny 😆
I have a 7 year old Kazanlik that has had virtually no blooms since being planted. There were 3 flowers last year but zilch all before and so far this year as well. The foliage is luxuriant and disease free. Neighboring 2 bushes are also Damascus variants and give off adequate blooms. I use Miracle-Grow For Roses on all of them, planted all at the same time and with same soil prep but this one is the only problem. Any ideas, anyone ?
I assume because you're getting flowers from your other Damasks that you're avoiding the pruning that would sacrifice flowers. The only other thing I would question is around cold requirements, which may vary based on genetics - if you're in a climate that doesn't get too much cold weather, it might impact the flower set. Other than that, I'd be stumped.
Found nursery in US that is selling 1-quart 5" pots. Goal is to incorporate these {Non patented} roses into nursery to ultimately take cuttings. Are these too small...how long till I could take cuttings do you think?
If I’m not mistaken I believe the French knight Robert de Brie who was credited to bringing the Damask rose to Europe might’ve also been Robert I Count of Dreux who was the son and brother of Louis VI and Louis VII of France respectively. Tho I might be wrong but it is a fact that he participated in the 2nd Crusade with his brother Louis VII.
I can't say with any certainty. Rose folk history tries to connect the most ancient roses we know to the descriptions of Roman historians, and they're probably right when it comes to the Damask rose being present, but were definitely wrong in the case of Rosa centifolia (bred much later in Holland). I've seen one report that the rose of Pompeii (although there were likely more than one rose cultivated there) was twice blooming like Autumn Damask, but that it was red in color. I know that the standard for what counts as a "red" rose has changed through history, so who knows? Gallica officinalis (or some other gallica) might be the darker red. Autumn Damask is also a contender.
Thank you so much for so precious information!🌹🌸 What do you think about difference between damask and portland if to use it for parfume? I have few damask roses (autumn, kazanlik) as i do natural parfume, and i know damask roses one of the best for it. But portland roses blooms over the season.. I live in ukraine we dont have enough information about it. Maybe you know some books i can to read and study this task? Thank you🙏🌹
There's really no way to know for sure without trying. The once-bloomers like the centifolia & damask roses are as you say, the traditional choices. The fact that they bloom all at once does simplify things for bulk processing. I see no reason why the Portlands (or indeed any rose with a good strong scent) couldn't be used in smaller batches.
The wild roses around these parts are Nootka rose, Woods rose or the Rugosa rose. If you were in England, it might be the Eglantine or Dog rose - it varies by region.
Potato, po-tah-to. That said, there are definitely times not to argue. I once did a nursery walk with Raymond Evison - and while I pronounce "clemAHtis" in the fairly drawn out North American manner (with an emphasis on the middle "AH" I suppose) he said it with the rather silly sounding (to me) CLEMatis with the last two syllables trailing off daintily. But honestly, he's like the David Austin of genus - I wasn't going to open my mouth about it.
The white rose of York might be alba semi-plena. The red rose of lancaster might be R. gallica officinalis. The combined rose (the Tudor rose) with both red and while "layers" is a made-up rose.
Most damask roses are a bit large for container/balcony growing. It's possible with a large enough container and special attention to water, but probably better to consider a smaller rose.
There are a lot of restrictions on moving plants between countries - if you're in Canada, I sell them for mail-order in late winter. If you're elsewhere, you'll need to source a local nursery or one in your county that will ship.
Thank Sid. It's 'Yolande d'Aragon'. In some of these videos, I name roses in languages I don't speak... so my pronunciation can be quite hard to understand. If you click the "CC:" symbol on the video screen, it will show you a transcript for the right spelling.
Yes. I've seen Damasks listed at Palatine, and I offer them for mail order (within Canada) or local sale in early spring while supplies last. My mother plants for Kazanlik and Ispahan are still fairly young, so we only got a few. I'm adding Autumn Damask back to my stock field this year.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm oh I just check your website, I didn’t know you are in BC, thought you were in UK for some reason. I’ll check out getting some mail order. Just started a little rose garden and really enjoying it. Going to try taking cuttings from my angel face this spring. Thanks! When do I go for mail order?
Thanks Giulio - I'll list in February or March. If you're on Facebook, I'll also drop a quick announcement to this group after I've completed the listings: facebook.com/groups/1633429170054065
My Omar khayyam is just getting taller & bushier .. no flowers..made me wonder how they felt at the Kew gardens when the seeds had come over & the bush is taking it’s time to produce flowers .. kasanlik is just the same.. i don’t want them in the ground .. they’re not meant for pots either
There's definitely been a few academic studies, and that sorted out some of the relationships. Because of those, we have some good idea (ther than just folklore) about how the main groups are related, but the testing has not been widespread enough to solve some of the mysteries of individual roses. I wonder if it'll ever be commercially viable to offer an ancestry test to individual gardeners who have been trying to identify what's in their gardens.
Common names aren't always so reliable. Even R. gallica officinalis was once called the Red Damask, even though it's more often linked to France. One of the parent species of R. damascena is indigenous to central Asia along the silk road, making it more likely to have originated there and travelled west. The middle east was a major connecting point on the trade route. I wouldn't be surprised if the rose we now call Damask was traded back and forth quite a bit among the ancient civilizations. The modern words for "rose" in most western languages (and as far east as Russia and India) seem to derive from ancient Persian.
I always find pronunciation debates in botanical Latin amusing. Some Swedish guy chooses to categorize plants in an ancient language, and suddenly you have modern folks from innumerable dialects "correcting" each other about how it's supposed to be spoken. For my part, as an English speaker I would have taken the root "cent" to mean 100, like centennial, century, or even the coin - none of which I'd apply the "ch" sound to. That doesn't mean I'm right, it just highlights the pointlessness of these kind of corrections. The way I figure it, if I understand what you were trying to say, the word has done it's job, and I'd have no appetite to be "right"
I love this series. This kind of information about the history of the rose was really missing on youtube.
Thanks so much. It's a labor of love for me
Jason, you're a natural!!! I love your channel and i LOVE rosess!!!!!!!! I like knowing how to rose was named, the parentage, etc. You're just the ticket!
Always nice to hear from another rose enthusiast!
Awesome history talk! Thank you for expanding our knowledge of roses:)
Much grateful that you posted the history of rose series. So much invaluable info, thank you!
My pleasure
What wonderful stories. I was a very indifferent history student in school, but told this way, in a storytelling way, is very engaging. Thank you Jason!
Thanks Maggie - always hard to know if others will find this stuff as engaging as I do!
Your videos are how I relax. I have rose gardens planned in my head, but am waiting for the time and money to make them become a reality. In the meantime, I am soaking up all the knowledge I can about the history, the types of roses, and the care of roses from your videos. Your videos are pure joy for anybody who loves roses!
I just love the educational content you present about roses Jason! I LOVE the old roses and l enjoy a brush up on my rose knowledge. It got a bit rusty....
Thanks Eva-Maria. Always nice to hear from another old rose enthusiast
Can i buy some rose seeds
Jason, I’m a beginner at rose gardening and your videos are really amazing. Thank you!
My pleasure Phyllis.
I love your version of how a knight would talk!! Thank you for the history on damasks.
I'm such a geek sometimes! Thanks for watching
Not a geek at all, a cool guy in many levels..😎🌺
Jason, you make me laugh. I was just listening again while doing kitchen work because I’m trying to get the rose type differences to stick. So “because that’s how crusaders talked” 😂🤣😂🤣 laughed out loud.
I am eating chocolate and watching this and this is best time i've head in years. This is extra interesting and great job on making this history lesson long enough to be informative but short enough to not get boring!
New to roses and very much enjoying this series on Old Garden Roses. Bringing out the old student in me.
Wonderful. I'm writing a sci-fi story about roses and these talks of yours are more than helpful! I'm now hooked on roses. Thank you
Thank you Jason. I’ve been wondering. Looking forward to watching the rest of the series.
So happy to see Yolande d’Aragon and Louise Odier because we have them and love their form and fragrance. Nice series (other than the clock above your head making you look like you have horns). Thank you!
My pleasure. It's my only "Devil Horns" video - so I guess I learned my lesson!
It's a shadow of his halo.
Gracias, excelente exposición! 😍❤️ Mis favoritas, las rosas Damascenas.
Thank you Jason from Fraser Valley Rose Farm! I'm actually here because I want to grow what I smell like lol, Safa Damask Rose oil from Bulgaria ❤🌹
I am excited for this series about the old garden roses! Thank you. ❤
I have one Damask rose, Ispahan, which I found quite nice. Thinking of getting Madame Hardy next.
Love this series you made and if you ever feel like making more on rose history/breeding I’m sure that would be well received.
Thank you for the great videos! Greetings from Bulgaria! I am Canadian-Bulgarian and I used to live in Abbotsford (Fraser Valley) for many years, but at the time I didn't know about your videos on a 🌹 subject. Luckily in front of our building(Abbotsford) I found 2-3 gorgeous Rosa Damescena plants and I was able to make traditional Bulgarian rose syrup and rose jam. Unfortunately Rosa Damascena is losing popularity here (Bulgaria) and it is hard to find it in a local nurseries plus the goverment doesn't suport the local rose farmers and the low purchase price of rose petals makes some farmers to uproot the rose fields:(((
I want to plant Rosa Damascena in my garden for sure! How did you end up with this rose from Kazanluk!?:)))) following your advises I have butiful roses in my garden, thanks again!
That's a shame. I do fine Kazanlik to root fairly easily from cuttings (after flowering, when sending up fresh shoots).
Working my way through your back catalogue. Every video is brilliant!
I appreciate the encouragement and especially the support! Thanks Maffoo
I'm so glad I found your channel! I'm going to be growing Damask Rose soon.❤
Wonderful video sharing the history of a gorgeous rose . thanks for posting☺
I am really impressed. I've always wanted to know more about roses. Many thanks from Austria.
My pleasure. Thanks for watching
So wonderful that you love these roses. Definitely a man of good taste and high standards. So refreshing.
Have you ever grown Madam Isaac Pereire? She's a bourbon with a raspberry fragrance. Absolutely awesome.
Would you do a vid on Bourbon roses?
Please do a video on tea roses if you get a chance. Thank you for the great video. You would make a great teacher :)
Thanks moxee33 - I'll add it to my list.
really nice video, I love Damask roses and I have "Mme Hardy", that rose is a must!!
For sure. I still have a few on my wishlist for the garden
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm what do you think about La ville de Bruxelles?
Thanks for the knowledge Jason
My pleasure!
I have Madame Hardy, she has a great endurance, in our climate it’s kind of a miracle! It stays small and the rabbits try them in the winter.
Keep the info flowing, brill for interest in new varieties and knowledge of their background breeding
Thumbs Up 👍 and a LIKE from me. SMILES
Thanks so much
Such fun historical information about this particular rose. Thank you!
I’m always there with you to the end of the video! Love all the great information you put out there. What are your favorite books that cover Rose history and roses throughout history?
For me nothing beats Peter Beales Classic Roses.
I have a bouquet of these (x damascena) beside me as I watch your video. The "old folks" here in the Maritimes used to call them Damascus roses. The scent always reminds me of Adrienne Clarkson.
I'm not going to ask when you were sniffing Adrienne Clarkson. Thanks David!
Love it when you called me a geek rose lol.
Btw FYI the Damask Rose in the middle east is called Sultani Rose
Love your videos. Learned a lot. Thumbs up 👍
My pleasure. I didn't know the "Sultani" rose name, so thank you!
this is a very informative video thank you so much! Ive only recently become obsessed with Roses, especially the damask roses as it relates to the beauty industry - attar/oil/perfumes, serum and rose waters. Now i understand what my Gran was on about all those years ago! lol
Thanks!
I really appreciate it Lois!
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm that’s the least I can do for all the help you’ve given me. Thank you.
Best video I have seen all week. Thank you!!
great presentation ...history and horticultrue ...looking forward to viewing the other postings in this series
Very informative video, I dont currently have any Damask.
I have been slowly accumulating David Austin floribunda which I am keeping in 50cm containers at the moment and they are all waking up from bare root state at the moment!
Thanks Ian. I do love the Austin roses!
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm so far my Austin's include Iceburg, Roland Dahl, Dusky Maiden and my latest purchase Fragrant Cloud (my first hybrid tea)
I would really interested if you did a separate video on Damask Perpetuals and Portland roses. Thank you
I dug up some old fashioned roses from my aunts farm. They grew along an old rock wall that was a house foundation from the 1800s.
Thank you for this. So necessary for my rose knowledge.
So happy to help Philip
I enjoy your series so much!
Hi Jason. Great series! Could you advise on when I should prune my Damask and Gallica roses? I'm in the UK and have 3 year old Ispahan and Charles de Mills roses. I heard they flower on old wood, so I want to make sure I'm not going to ruin next years' display by pruning too early. But on the other hand they are already 6 ft tall.
If you can hang on until after they bloom in spring, that's generally the best time for these once-bloomers. However, if there are a few overly tall stems and you think they'd be damaged by winter wind, you might as well nip those ones off now
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I'll do that. When I cut them back after they've flowered, how far back would you recommend - is a third good? And then leave the new growth until I prune them again at the same time in the following year?
That sounds about right - but I should also say that with old garden roses, I don't focus entirely on height when pruning. I also get into the older wood in the center of the shrub and thin out some of the thickest, crustiest old stems. It helps to keep the shrub rejuvenated.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Very useful extra point!
Thank you so much for the generous knowledge sharing! You’d make a great professor. Do you ever consider of opening a workshop in your nursery? I would definitely sign up if I were in your local area. Also, I am just being greedy here, but I would really love some systematic lectures about rose varieties in different climates. Most time people just mention about the hardy zone for survival, but not their performance. I live in Austin TX, and we had 100F days since May. So I noticed some of the varieties go right into summer dormancy or have a few sad flowers, but some will still hold their color and shape very well. That would be an interesting and useful topic to help picking the right varieties.
Fantastic video! Thank you, thank you!!! Are the scents of the damask roses very similar (just more or less intense) or are they very different (like different bottled perfumes)?
From the ones I've sniffed, they're all similar to commercial rose oil and perfume. I'm sure a better nose than mine would find subtle differences! One of my favorite roses for scent is 'Rose de Rescht' a Portland which is presumed to be around 50/50% damask and gallica in parentage. To me, the gallica influence softens and improves the overall scent. All personal preference, I suppose.
Today Turkey produce 60% and Bulgaria produce 35% of total damask rose in the world. Isparta city in Turkey and Kazanlak in Bulgaria are very famous cities for rose and rose oil production.
Thank you! Good to know.
This is a really delightful history, thank you.
What is the best book or reference that reliably outlines this fascinating history of roses?
Thanks again.
I'd look for books by Peter Beales
Maravilloso este canal que acabo de encontrar. El contenido es muy interesante.
Las rosas antiguas son mis favoritas, sobre todo las que tiene una sola floración. El olor de las centifolia es incomparable.🤤
¿Qué fungicida usas tú y cuál me recomiendas?
Muchas gracias por todo.
Muchas gracias. No aplico mucho fungicida, sino que me baso principalmente en la poda y la limpieza. Durante el invierno aplico azufre caldo y durante la temporada activa a veces aplico bicarbonato de potasio.
Great series.
I've been trying to identify the class of an old garden rose that I took a cutting from at my grandmother's house many, many years ago. I'm thinking it may be a damask. It is once blooming, heavily petaled medium-size white rose with a very slight pink blush. The fragrance is intense. The bush is a vigorous grower, mostly upright to about 7 ft, with heavy canes and many large prickles. It's wicked to try and work with! :-)
There are a few white Damasks, but white with slight pink blush is maybe more characteristic of the Alba roses. Does the foliage have any greyish or bluish tone to it?
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm, yes it actually does have a greyish/bluish tone to it the leaves. Perhaps an Alba then? Cool.
That'd be my guess. I can't say which cultivar, but not 'Chloris' (which is prickle-free)
There is an Old Rose identification on GardenWeb, there are a group of nerds who love looking at pics and hearing the story behind it. We look at such details as height, zone, leaf color/detail, thorn, sepals, hips, and of course color and shape of bloom! The more details the better. edit: And yes the grey blue leaf is a clue to being Alba!
Nicely done I really enjoyed that
Cool video. I would like to see video on how 'tree roses', also called standard roses are made if possible. Thanks
Thanks for the history lesson👍🏽🙏
Now it makes more sense to pronounce the Damask Rose our woven fabric as, Dam-âsk with accent on the 2nd syllable. This Rose coming from areas like DAMASCUS? Is that where this Rose arises? Adore history & Rose history is a branch (no pun) of history, with which not many of us are familiar. Interesting indeed.
Nice presentation. What rose is used to make rosewater sorbet?
Hi Dan. Most commonly I think from a damask rose called 'Kazanlik', although sometimes from R. centifolia of R. alba as part of the process of rose oil production.
While in Morocco last year i bought Jacaranda cut roses but couldnt find a plant. They are incredibly fragrant. Impossible to find in Europe. Would you have an idea? Thank you.
That's too bad. I checked it on helpmefind, but it doesn't look to be widely distributed - not even at the Kordes site.
Thanks again for this Series; very informative.
Thanks a lot for info.
Am new to your channel, wanted to know if you sell cuttings, bare root plants too
Hi Sid. We're just a small farm operation, so it's currently local sales and a bit of mail order within Canada for potted own-root roses.
Very informative video! How can I purchase a damask rose plant from you??
If you're local, you can find me at farmers markets and plant sales. Also, we've trialed shipping within Canada this year, and I'll think we'll offer it again next spring.
And thanks for watching!
love this video!
Thanks so much!
Leda is stunning 😍
I very like your videos! Thank you! But I don´t understand the difference (in habitus, form of flowers etc.) between centifolias and damasks... Can you tell about it, please?
The centifolias are characterized by rounded (globular) flowers packed with petals. They're a complex hybrid that includes Damask as a parent, so the foliage, fragrance and habit can be similar - but I do find the Damask fragrance to be more intense, and the centifolia to be more complex I guess.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you very much!
Hello, thank you for these very interesting videos. I was fascinated.
I've an old rose bush in my garden and I would like ti know its name. Is there a method? I've tried to see if it's a damask or gallica, not si easy... Thank you again and congratulations.
No easy way I'm afraid. It takes loads of observation and learning about the different classes. I hope maybe someday there's an inexpensive DNA type test, but until then it's a match game.
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Thank you really for answering so quickly. These roses range from white to purple, most of them being of different shades of pink on the same bush. it makes an extraordinary bush. The perfume is very strong and exquisite. It was allready in the garden when my parents bought it, in 1945! It's in blossom now. I'll go on learning from your videos. Thank you! Excuse my clumsy english, I write from France.
Thank you so much!!! very informative love it; Question, when I go buy the rose I want, how can I make sure its the rose I'm after if its not blooming? thank you!
My pleasure. You have to weigh the reputation of the nursery you're dealing with - I guess anyone can make mistakes, but the better nurseries are pretty careful with labelling. The true Kazanlik or Ispahan will have a little bit of a matte grey tone to the foliage and stems, which you can recognize once you're familiar with the plant.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you very much! I will look out for that
I live in zone 11 .- What varieties do you recommend cultivate in the tropics? Thank you 😊!
Hi, I love your channel. Very informative and not boring. But I can’t help when I look at your head a clock behind it looks like you got horns. 😂😂😂. Sorry but it is very funny 😆
Rookie mistake! Happy to entertain as I inform though.
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I have a 7 year old Kazanlik that has had virtually no blooms since being planted. There were 3 flowers last year but zilch all before and so far this year as well. The foliage is luxuriant and disease free. Neighboring 2 bushes are also Damascus variants and give off adequate blooms. I use Miracle-Grow For Roses on all of them, planted all at the same time and with same soil prep but this one is the only problem. Any ideas, anyone ?
I assume because you're getting flowers from your other Damasks that you're avoiding the pruning that would sacrifice flowers. The only other thing I would question is around cold requirements, which may vary based on genetics - if you're in a climate that doesn't get too much cold weather, it might impact the flower set. Other than that, I'd be stumped.
Wisid found you before I planted 25 Rose's in my garden and very many more into pots, my only selection criteria was does it have a good fragrance?
Nice. And the winner is...?
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Found nursery in US that is selling 1-quart 5" pots. Goal is to incorporate these {Non patented} roses into nursery to ultimately take cuttings. Are these too small...how long till I could take cuttings do you think?
It can take a season or two (or even three) in my climate for a small rose to put on enough weight to be a significant source of cuttings.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Again thank you for the kindness.
I gage been using damask rose oil
Luv it
Would love to have a plant
If I’m not mistaken I believe the French knight Robert de Brie who was credited to bringing the Damask rose to Europe might’ve also been Robert I Count of Dreux who was the son and brother of Louis VI and Louis VII of France respectively. Tho I might be wrong but it is a fact that he participated in the 2nd Crusade with his brother Louis VII.
Thank you
What were the roses they found in the gardens of Pompeii and Herculeum?
I can't say with any certainty. Rose folk history tries to connect the most ancient roses we know to the descriptions of Roman historians, and they're probably right when it comes to the Damask rose being present, but were definitely wrong in the case of Rosa centifolia (bred much later in Holland). I've seen one report that the rose of Pompeii (although there were likely more than one rose cultivated there) was twice blooming like Autumn Damask, but that it was red in color. I know that the standard for what counts as a "red" rose has changed through history, so who knows? Gallica officinalis (or some other gallica) might be the darker red. Autumn Damask is also a contender.
Can explain about white climbing rose ??
There are loads of white climbers and ramblers: Climbing iceberg, Sally Holmes, City of York, Darlow's Enigma, White Dawn are some examples.
Thank you so much for so precious information!🌹🌸
What do you think about difference between damask and portland if to use it for parfume?
I have few damask roses (autumn, kazanlik) as i do natural parfume, and i know damask roses one of the best for it.
But portland roses blooms over the season..
I live in ukraine we dont have enough information about it.
Maybe you know some books i can to read and study this task?
Thank you🙏🌹
There's really no way to know for sure without trying. The once-bloomers like the centifolia & damask roses are as you say, the traditional choices. The fact that they bloom all at once does simplify things for bulk processing. I see no reason why the Portlands (or indeed any rose with a good strong scent) couldn't be used in smaller batches.
Thank you so much! I will try!🙏😊😊🌹
Hello. Is Wild Rose the sane as Castille or Damask Rose? Thanks
The wild roses around these parts are Nootka rose, Woods rose or the Rugosa rose. If you were in England, it might be the Eglantine or Dog rose - it varies by region.
Do David Austin’s fit into these roses?
It's more standard to put the stress on the first syllable: DA-mask.
Potato, po-tah-to. That said, there are definitely times not to argue. I once did a nursery walk with Raymond Evison - and while I pronounce "clemAHtis" in the fairly drawn out North American manner (with an emphasis on the middle "AH" I suppose) he said it with the rather silly sounding (to me) CLEMatis with the last two syllables trailing off daintily. But honestly, he's like the David Austin of genus - I wasn't going to open my mouth about it.
I love damask. Where can I get one in Philippines? I really want one.😥
Please can I know what is the york and lancaster rose?
Is their other name of it?
The white rose of York might be alba semi-plena. The red rose of lancaster might be R. gallica officinalis. The combined rose (the Tudor rose) with both red and while "layers" is a made-up rose.
Do you think I can grow these on my balcony
Most damask roses are a bit large for container/balcony growing. It's possible with a large enough container and special attention to water, but probably better to consider a smaller rose.
Wheres the best place to purchase these old Roses for our gardens?
Depends on where you are. I like Rogue Valley roses in Oregon, but they're the only US supplier that will ship up here.
Oh my gosh, I have been looking for Kkzanmik Damasks
How do I purchase one please
There are a lot of restrictions on moving plants between countries - if you're in Canada, I sell them for mail-order in late winter. If you're elsewhere, you'll need to source a local nursery or one in your county that will ship.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thank you, did not realize you were in Canada, just found a source who sells Kazanlik Rose here in USA.
Hi where can I buy them?
Google for suppliers of old garden roses in your region or country. In the US, there are more suppliers than here in Canada.
And how do we spell rose at 8:10
Thank Sid. It's 'Yolande d'Aragon'. In some of these videos, I name roses in languages I don't speak... so my pronunciation can be quite hard to understand. If you click the "CC:" symbol on the video screen, it will show you a transcript for the right spelling.
Is it possible to find the Damask rose in Canada? Sounther Ontario
Yes. I've seen Damasks listed at Palatine, and I offer them for mail order (within Canada) or local sale in early spring while supplies last. My mother plants for Kazanlik and Ispahan are still fairly young, so we only got a few. I'm adding Autumn Damask back to my stock field this year.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm oh I just check your website, I didn’t know you are in BC, thought you were in UK for some reason. I’ll check out getting some mail order. Just started a little rose garden and really enjoying it. Going to try taking cuttings from my angel face this spring. Thanks! When do I go for mail order?
Thanks Giulio - I'll list in February or March. If you're on Facebook, I'll also drop a quick announcement to this group after I've completed the listings: facebook.com/groups/1633429170054065
Awesome
Trying to find some of these for sale in US. Retail or wholesale...suggestions?
Mail order more likely. I know Heirloom roses, Rogue Valley and High Country - but there are others too.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you. Most kind.
Roman fish netting held the rose petals in feasts to flow down as pull of a string
My Omar khayyam is just getting taller & bushier .. no flowers..made me wonder how they felt at the Kew gardens when the seeds had come over & the bush is taking it’s time to produce flowers .. kasanlik is just the same.. i don’t want them in the ground .. they’re not meant for pots either
Surely they could now to do a gene analysis of which old roses were which?
There's definitely been a few academic studies, and that sorted out some of the relationships. Because of those, we have some good idea (ther than just folklore) about how the main groups are related, but the testing has not been widespread enough to solve some of the mysteries of individual roses. I wonder if it'll ever be commercially viable to offer an ancestry test to individual gardeners who have been trying to identify what's in their gardens.
do you sell and send to Canada Rosa Damascena
Hi. Yes, we sell and ship Damask roses in the smaller pots with our spring shipping or roses across Canada.
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Damascus rose originally is from Syria.. DAMASHK is Damascus's name in Arabic.. It shows where it's truly from..
Common names aren't always so reliable. Even R. gallica officinalis was once called the Red Damask, even though it's more often linked to France. One of the parent species of R. damascena is indigenous to central Asia along the silk road, making it more likely to have originated there and travelled west. The middle east was a major connecting point on the trade route. I wouldn't be surprised if the rose we now call Damask was traded back and forth quite a bit among the ancient civilizations. The modern words for "rose" in most western languages (and as far east as Russia and India) seem to derive from ancient Persian.
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Centifolia pronunciation is with the "C" like in "change"...
I always find pronunciation debates in botanical Latin amusing. Some Swedish guy chooses to categorize plants in an ancient language, and suddenly you have modern folks from innumerable dialects "correcting" each other about how it's supposed to be spoken. For my part, as an English speaker I would have taken the root "cent" to mean 100, like centennial, century, or even the coin - none of which I'd apply the "ch" sound to. That doesn't mean I'm right, it just highlights the pointlessness of these kind of corrections. The way I figure it, if I understand what you were trying to say, the word has done it's job, and I'd have no appetite to be "right"
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm true, but me, being Italian the word just sounded strange in my ear...pardon me
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm for instance you said "variegata di Bologna" like an Italian