Rebel Cities: From the Right to the City to the Urban Revolution
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- David Harvey in conversation with David Graeber
Wednesday, April 25th, 2012 at 6.30 pm
Proshansky Auditorium, CUNY Graduate Center
Long before the Occupy movement, modern cities had already become the central sites of revolutionary politics, where the deeper currents of social and political change rise to the surface. Consequently, cities have been the subject of much utopian thinking. But at the same time they are also the centers of capital accumulation and the frontline for struggles over who controls access to urban resources and who dictates the quality and organization of daily life. Is it the financiers and developers, or the people?
Rebel Cities places the city at the heart of both capital and class struggles, looking at locations ranging from Johannesburg to Mumbai, and from New York City to São Paulo. Drawing on the Paris Commune as well as Occupy Wall Street and the London Riots, Harvey asks how cities might be reorganized in more socially just and ecologically sane ways-and how they can become the focus for anti-capitalist resistance.
DAVID HARVEY is the director of the Center for Place, Culture and Politics at the CUNY Graduate Center.
DAVID GRAEBER is Reader in the Department of Anthropology, Goldsmiths, University of London. He has also worked extensively on value theory, and has recently completed a major research project on social movements dedicated to principles of direct democracy, direct action, and has written widely on the relation (real and potential) of anthropology and anarchism. He is currently working on a project on the history of debt.
rest in peace david graeber. i really will miss your thoughts and intellectualism.
How did he die?
@@crowdoftheavatar4042 He was surely murdered by the Jesuit order. These great minds don’t just die early for no reason. The Catholic power structure controls the world and it would only make sense that they murdered him in Italy. Poisoning is a favorite technique of the Jesuit order. I guarantee you that they murdered him.
@@crowdoftheavatar4042 As soon as you drop the word conspiracy I know that you don’t know what you’re talking about and you are clueless as to what is going on in this world. You can watch my latest community post and listen to this KGB officer explained how they destroy your country and you will understand exactly what is going on in America. You can listen to the historian Eric Phelps and learn all about the Jesuit order and the Catholic infiltration of this country. My channel is a wealth of knowledge. I have been shadow banned because of that. All I do is speak the truth. You would be wise to get behind me and listen you big loudmouth.
@@crowdoftheavatar4042 You revel in your confusion. You are disgusting.
@@crowdoftheavatar4042 Intelligent. Try it sometime you idiot. You didn’t even get the saying right. It’s “I know you are but what am I”, but you did it backwards because you know you’re an idiot little screwup. Freudian slip. If you even know what that means.
my god, finally! great sound quality. thanks!!!!!
Haha same here😭🤩
David Harvey is right on the Button , very well explained.
WHAT A GIFT❤there’s such wisdom right out of the gate.
1:23. This is the first time I've heard another person speak objectively about the goals and success of Osama Bin Laden. It's important to recognize the greatest weakness of our country; the freedom to act on our fear. Americans justified every atrocity, including the one's yet unknown. The terror instilled by drone strikes is like living 9/12 every day for 20 years.
1:23:50 for anyone else who had trouble finding the segment on Bin Laden.
Very interesting to learn of Urban Planning , highway design, to protect the properties! Since the 60's
Fabulous Discussion from Giants 😊
RIP David...
100% agree! We need more people like him in this world!!!
@@2.7petabytes quote from David - "there's two ways you can think about eternity. you think of it as, my name will live on forever. or you can think of it as, people like me will always be around."
Influential anthropologist David Graeber, known for his 2011 volume Debt: The First 5000 Years speaks about the correlation between the cultural sphere and society. The intellectuals and the artists create an imaginary way to criticize the economic system in any era. Art can overcome hegemonic frameworks and acknowledge other possible worlds, offer us the opportunity to understand better the marginalized social entities. Social exclusion is the process in which individuals or people are systematically blocked from (or denied full access to) various rights, opportunities and resources that are normally available to members of a different group, and which are fundamental to social integration and observance of human rights within that particular group (e.g., housing, employment, healthcare, civic engagement, democratic participation, and due process). As the economic crises go deeper in time more people face the effects of exclusion. Art and social sciences can give voice to the voiceless. Especially young social aware poets can give us a clear view of the real social effect of the financial consequences. - David Graeber
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@56:00 I wonder what document statement he's referring to here...
same, tried searching it. Couldn't find. Any luck in the past two years?
@@nicolaslegros8458 I'm not sure if it's this one: ( www.frbsf.org/economic-research/publications/economic-letter/2012/january/federal-reserve-economic-recovery/ ) Please let me know if you get a chance to read it, I'll read it further after work. Under "Causes of weak recovery"?
Rebel Cities (and the book) is a great and insightful book. It help us focus politically. So Harvey, of today, less Marxology. and more on urban radicalism. Graeber is an anarchist ?
Yes. RIP in peace David Graeber. (O4.etembro.2020.)
Yes, D. Graeber was an anarchist
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This introduction gal is so nervous to intro these brilliant guests. I don’t blame her. I’d be the same way.
@Dirk Knight wow dude, sick burn
And besides , I think that she is calling Occupy Wall Street a Revolution.....I mean...
It's boorish to call attention to it.
David got DRIP in this vid fr
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there's 8 bit (bzzzzpitpitpipitpit) interference signal as David Graeber explains common problems faced by common people, inside a collapsing system.
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Adieu David Graeber
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Its great hearing marxists talk about municipalism
@Dirk Knight what?
@Dirk Knight Cities is a broad subject. The cities that currently exist are expressions of the capitalist system. If the system changes, its values will necessarily change along with it. Cities could mean neo-liberalism set in stone, or it could mean something completely different. If you don't want to call it a city you can call it a municipality, a region, a metropolitan area or whatever you like
@Dirk Knight a city can also be made out of stone, wood, and bricks. Again even as you point out capitalism commodifies the city. The city isn't the problem its the economy. Cities have potential
@Dirk Knight i am indeed speaking from a working persons perspective. And I still don't think you understand the point im making. Cities as they currently exist are a problem, but it doesn't have to be that way
@Dirk Knight I think the source of your trouble is that you can't separate the idea of the city and the idea of the city as a machine. The city has machines, but the city itself is not a machine. You can sure try to build em like machines and we are quite good at it, but I agree they are expensive. Think of the city as an ecosystem. Its much more of an accurate metaphor, after all, cities are habitats and they thrive when they are diverse
Stop the flow of the city? Man the barricades!!!
With the "task of childhood: to bring the new world into symbolic space.” we may and our children may be the "children in this time ...with it's objective image...(David) the sleeper surrenders himself to death only provisionally, waits for the second when he will cunningly wrest himself from its clutches. So, too, the dreaming collective, whose children provide the happy occasion for its own awakening." [Kla,2] & David contributed to this thought dream (B.Dylan) and "wish image... And the experiences of such a (classless) society-as stored in the unconscious of the collective engender, through interpenetration with what is new, the utopia that has left its trace in a thousand configurations of life, from enduring edifices to passing fashions" (Benjamin) and so many authentic, brilliantly inspired traces David has left in us.
This is so exciting but what tf is graeber wearing lol
he was dressed as a roman centurion earlier in the day I think
He talks about it at 20:45
Fringed scale-mail?
@@beetdiggingcougar Thank you.
From Michael Hudson. “Killing the Host.”
"A society’s analytic concepts determine the kind of reality it creates. That is why parasites start by taking control of their host’s brain. Neoliberal enzymes aim to sedate the industrial host into believing that the financial sector is part of the real economy, not external to it and extractive. That is the first myth."
100% agreed!
The financial world is not only outside of the economy but outside of deductive reasoning. What reasonable sense is there in believing in the creation of the monetary unit apart from ANY economic activity. The belief that anyone can create units apart from something real that they represent (not themselves!) is hard to get people to understand as a misrepresentation of the function of and purpose for the existence of what we call money. But the unit cannot be a tool to report on and/or keep track of economic activity and then claim to be part of the economic activity at the same time!
So, in the world of what we call the economy, all the products and services along with their transaction between folk are tracked/credited/accounted/recorded with accounting units that are also thought to be products all by themselves. The populace has not challenged the illiterate notion that it needs unit creators to conjure up these units - Poof! - with the flick of a pen or the stroke of a key on the keyboard!?? What kind of thinking is THAT!? I mean, really, how can an accounting unit also be a product? Why is it that we all think that abstract units of economic measure have to already be in existence as the property of the unit creators before the populace can interact and keep track with the units they then have to rent from the unit creators!?
Then, as if this illiteracy is not enough, we add insult to our own stupidity as we go along with adding in the "cost" of the existence and use of these units to every single transaction along the "value chain" of the real goods and services and wonder why the whole freakin economy is unstable! This is Monetary Illiteracy NOT economic crisis!
No magical entity or power exists such that the Abstract AcCounting Units can be created - Poof! - 'all by themselves' attached to nothing and considered property before they are eventually used/attached/assigned to annotate something of genuine value. How is it that anyone would think that "property" can be created in this fashion and that one can "own" the unit of acCount and legitimately charge for its existence and use. (How many inches or liters or gallons or miles or kilometers do you own!?) The habituation of this kind of thinking is manifest in both the banker fraud of "creating" units of acCount that go onto the books in their own records as both genuine entities of real "value" that are also their own property and "owed" back to themselves! And along with this insanity we throw in additional temporal based fees (interest) for the existence of the units so created until such time as they are "paid back"; and these fees are marching along and compounding (by addition to every transaction along the ‘value chain’) until the very next iteration of this same process starts all over again!
But this is NOT the whole of the problem, because the populace is still stuck with the illegitimate thinking that "the government" (as though it is actually something separate from the populace itself) has this mystical original power to create - Poof! - the unit of acCount by some sort of magical power that entitles government to claim the same kind of asinine 'property rights' over its declared/established currency (that stupid illiterate establishment clause in the Constitution) such that it can both delegate the "creation" process to banks while also retaining some "ownership" claim over the units which it has already declared to be the form in which taxes must be paid! (David Graeber documents the long history of this lunacy in his book Debt: The First 5000 Years) And just like that - Poof! - the populace thinks that abstract acCounting units are things unto themselves that are claimed as property by a government (seemingly separate from the populace) that has exclusive power to both create and collect this "property" as a means to sustain itself as though government is something altogether separate from the populace! And when the focus has shifted in this process from the real contributions (that 'the government' just like any other member of the populace can/could easily acCount for with units of acCount that come into being in book keeping fashion) that a populace can require of itself to sustain itself to this asinine thinking about units of acCount as entities unto themselves that can somehow magically substitute for those real contributions, then the populace has given itself over to abandonment of its own power to any who will take up this power and use it for its own purposes. And ALL of this is based on the illegitimate thinking that an abstract unit of acCount can be, simply on the basis of declaratory assertion by illiterate and mostly illegitimate "leaders", both an abstract economic measure of value and a genuine commodity at one and the same time!!
If we are going to help our kids we are not going to pass on the illiteracy of the ages to them!
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What revolution is she talking about?
this is about occupy
@@rverasart Oof, awkward in hindsight
@@koboldgeorge2140 i think from a broader perspective occupy produced a lot of meaningful insights on how to organize and prefigure a different society, as well as networks, which are being picked up in the BLM movement. It was always going to be a marathon, not a sprint.
@@koboldgeorge2140 Occupy didn't have direct results (the government didn't fall in 2011/2012, the Madison uprising failed to stop Act 10), but many of the activists involved went on to Fight for 15, the Bernie elections in 2016 & 2020, DSA, BLM, and other leftwing organizing.
Also the increased politicization of the police and of anti-protest measures I think is a good indicator of just how seriously the powers that be took the threat of Occupy.
@@jbartnik1918 "many of the activists went onto a reformist campaign currently in the process of failing, lose two presidential campaigns back to back, as well as join the Baby Democratic party and larp as black panthers"
What of any of that was meant to be impressive? You can declare failure to be victory as much as you want but eventually you need to ask yourself 'if Im winning so much why do I not seem to be getting any of the things I want?'
None of the things you listed were radical - they are watered down, bourgeois reformist demands. It was a SELLING point for the sanders campaign that european capitalist countries had [whatever]. So how is the entire left falling behind milquetoast reformism and then getting its teeth kicked in a victory in any way?
So far as I can tell the only thing any of this has achieved has been to oust trump from office, the only pitch made by the democrats and the only thing the left has been able to articulate. So next time you can answer as follows:
"Occupy may not have achieved it's demands, and it may have fizzled out without leaving behind any meaningful organization behind, but its legacy managed to a cop and the author of the crime bill elected."
where the hell did david graeber get that shirt and why the hell did he think it was a good idea to wear it
He explained that he was at a rally just before the talk and he had to run from said rally to the conference with no time to change
The costume gets mentioned in one of the memorials about him: www.nybooks.com/daily/2020/09/05/david-graeber-1961-2020/ "On April 25, 2012, the Occupy Student Debt Campaign staged a showy demonstration to mark the day that aggregate US student debt passed the trillion-dollar mark. To call out the debt profiteers, some of us were dressed up as bankers, and the agitprop group Billionaires for Bush were decked out, as usual, in tuxedos and top hats, evening gowns and long gloves. David showed up wearing the uniform of a Roman centurion, a costume that had nothing to do with his scripted role of destroying a giant loan statement. No one asked why he looked like he had come from rehearsals in a Julius Caesar production at Shakespeare in the Park (he showed up later in the day, still in costume, to debate David Harvey.)" -Andrew Ross
@@adefenceofgrace well damn dude three years on you came thru respect and rip graeber
@@larrymorgan7289 lol thank you for your time
& r.i.p. indeed
Life isn't a fashion show so don't trouble yourself too terribly much about what people put on their bodies. You just worry about you honey.
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Long story short, capitalism is a fuck
*swivels on chair* you know, i often think how successful bin laden was, lol david
OMG I'm so frightened !! Those privileged middle -class preppies are turning stroppy...again!! GET BACK TO YOUR RICH MA AND PA!!!
these are the two most boring leftists on stage together.😂
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