David Graeber: All Economies are Ultimately Human Economies (2015)

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  • Speech held at the conference "Challenging Capitalist Modernity II: Dissecting Capitalist Modernity - Building Democratic Confederalism"
    3-5 April 2015, Hamburg

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  • @foodparadise5792
    @foodparadise5792 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Too bad I found this man's work after he passed.

  • @puppetMattster
    @puppetMattster 8 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    This man can crash on my couch absolutely anytime.

    • @anthony9475
      @anthony9475 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Firstand Last
      You’re a really weird dude.

    • @remypetit1791
      @remypetit1791 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You bet, I'll make sure we never run out of weed

  • @ping-annaddo5248
    @ping-annaddo5248 8 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    Great talk. And for the record, I DID read Graeber's "Towards an Anthropological Theory of Value." I cited it in my own work and teach it regularly to students. Great work. DG is a great teacher.

    • @TechLive
      @TechLive 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Sounds like you're a great teacher as well! Thanks for all your effort!

    • @JohnWilson-ng1ui
      @JohnWilson-ng1ui 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i started reading it a while ago and couldn't get through it. This inspired me to pick it back up

    • @remypetit1791
      @remypetit1791 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's an incredibly inspiring scholar, I think I'm gonna start studying anthropology

  • @xyzunodostres
    @xyzunodostres 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Graeber: "The more useful your job, the less you get paid. How did that happen?"

  • @domeister76
    @domeister76 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    That guy asking him to slow down repeatedly! haha! Asking Graeber's mind to slow down is like asking an F1 racing car to keep to the speed limit.

    • @idlikemoreprivacy9716
      @idlikemoreprivacy9716 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sounds like envy too. I'm a non native speaker and can follow w/o problems + have time to think about what he says and enjoy the talk.

    • @elizabethdesousa8290
      @elizabethdesousa8290 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I was feeling irritated that he continued to do that. I found it rude.

    • @nathanielroach6559
      @nathanielroach6559 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I know, right?

  • @nicetrymate813
    @nicetrymate813 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    RIP David Graeber. Absolute legend

  • @mikeh5399
    @mikeh5399 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    "That very isolation, which enslaves us is freedom." That's some George Orwell business right there.

  • @uberdru
    @uberdru 5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Mr. Van Halen, could you please play fewer notes?

    • @manondamoon8911
      @manondamoon8911 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or at least slow it down would ya.
      What a fucken liberty

  • @suesimmons926
    @suesimmons926 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Monetizing and commodifying everything reminds me of the elaborate system of classification of every kind of possible sin undertaken in the Middle Ages.

  • @hotelcampina
    @hotelcampina 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Gwyn Williams. What a tragedy his passing. One can only imagine what else he might have produced for our enlightenment. We have all lost a brother, no doubt at all

    • @LoisKl
      @LoisKl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Truly a huge loss... on so many levels..
      He had/has a book coming out hopefully in spring, in collaboration with David Wengrow. A snek peak on the subject can be listened to here:
      th-cam.com/video/EvUzdJSK4x8/w-d-xo.html

  • @n1mbusmusic606
    @n1mbusmusic606 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    we love you Dave. your the best. RIP

  • @instituteforexperimentalar7493
    @instituteforexperimentalar7493 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    DAVID GRAEBER was a founding member of the Institute for Experimental Arts
    He did a lecture with the title: How social and economic structure influences the Art World in the Financial Consequences - International MultiMedia Poetry Festival organized by the Institute for Experimental Arts supported by LSE Department of Anthropology.
    Influential anthropologist David Graeber, known for his 2011 volume Debt: The First 5000 Years speaks about the correlation between the cultural sphere and society. The intellectuals and the artists create an imaginary way to criticize the economic system in any era. Art can overcome hegemonic frameworks and acknowledge other possible worlds, offer us the opportunity to understand better the marginalized social entities. Social exclusion is the process in which individuals or people are systematically blocked from (or denied full access to) various rights, opportunities and resources that are normally available to members of a different group, and which are fundamental to social integration and observance of human rights within that particular group (e.g., housing, employment, healthcare, civic engagement, democratic participation, and due process). As the economic crises go deeper in time more people face the effects of exclusion. Art and social sciences can give voice to the voiceless. Especially young social aware poets can give us a clear view of the real social effect of the financial consequences. - David Graeber
    You can watch the Lecture here:
    th-cam.com/video/WCF-8OQj0RE/w-d-xo.html

  • @yabyum108
    @yabyum108 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    A revolutionary thinker

  • @johnstockwellmajorsmedleyb1214
    @johnstockwellmajorsmedleyb1214 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thank You David for your speech, it is at one time Logical, Thoughtful, Entertaining, and Philosophical.
    I am proud to be and live, and Live Well, as a Libertarian Socialist.
    Most believe I am just a bit eccentric, but you allow me to show them there are others, in a fun way.

  • @kingmob2615
    @kingmob2615 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    God DAMN, that's a good approach to medicine. Thank goodness for that doctor and thank goodness for social ecology. Rest in Power David Graeber, Murray Bookchin, Abdullah Ocalan, and all of the martyrs! ✊🖤🏴🦝🏴🖤

    • @TheJoetebb
      @TheJoetebb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ocalan lives on!!!

  • @nathanswann1198
    @nathanswann1198 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    when Graeber goes off script and cuts like a knife, my brain wrinkles.

  • @VIsTheMusic
    @VIsTheMusic 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I absolutely agree with every single thing and living a life devoted to improving the global community one idea at a time. Liberate yourselves from BS in your lives. BS is not acceptable in 2017 + + !!!!!!!!!!

  • @scottylilacleona9193
    @scottylilacleona9193 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This helps me understand what my mother believes, that belief of work being valuable in itself. I could bring this up to her sometime.

  • @Shiro46AV
    @Shiro46AV 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great vid!

  • @robinhoodstfrancis
    @robinhoodstfrancis 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Fantastic. I would've liked to make reference to his work in my masters thesis on co-operatives in renewable energy in Europe. I've been appreciating social constructivism/constructionism as a way to support understanding the mainstream neoliberal views and the alternative in civil society organizations like Greenpeace, Oxfam, and the World Conference on Religions for Peace. The co-operative business model, no less, with David Ellerman's new formulation of a Labor Theory of Property is excellent. William Greider wrote an excellent book, The Soul of Capitalism, in which he discusses these things, along with Herman Daly's ecological economics. Fritjof Capra has been using the expression "ecological literacy," some of the foundations of how we make each other, this idea that Graeber talks about so richly.

    • @johnstockwellmajorsmedleyb1214
      @johnstockwellmajorsmedleyb1214 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      For sure self reliance creating communities off the grid, diconnect ourselves from the machine in everyway and it will wither and die!!!
      So simple educate, plan, build, create, walk away from the machine in every way and back to what is really sacred!!!

  • @mechabits197
    @mechabits197 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    and paying over the odds for your education...to people who probably didnt....is a sure fire way to boost their economy.

  • @petertschann-grimm1468
    @petertschann-grimm1468 6 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Heh I feel for that guy interrupting because Graeber really is brilliant, and he does talk fast... if English isn't your first english, I'm sure it would be hard to understand his points.

    • @SamraK64
      @SamraK64 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I can testify. English is my second language and I think I'm really good at understanding it, but the first time I heard Graeber was one of the most intense intellectual effort I produced ever. Now that I saw a few videos I'm getting used to his way of speaking and I think I get everything, but wow, this first time, hearing him live with no "10 sec backwards" button... I feel for the (I think mostly German) people who are hosting and attending this event

    • @adamstheguy1619
      @adamstheguy1619 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You cant just keep stopping people from talking. It interrupts their thought process and is not polite. Just replay, for God’s sake. Or learn better English.!These days we should have real time robotic translators into any language. I am sure tech is out there.

    • @nohisocitutampoc2789
      @nohisocitutampoc2789 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Definitely the moderator was a impolite gut, there’s no question about it. But, Graeber had a very difficult English. And most part of the word don’t have English as a the first, thanks God.

    • @joshismyhandle
      @joshismyhandle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That’s why the bloke who is interrupting should just rewatch the video on TH-cam in half the speed if so desired. Interrupting the speaker’s train of thought for the listener to understand in a conference is not only rude, but subtracts from the points able to be made within the allocated window of time to speak.

  • @pjabtg
    @pjabtg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s funny I was mad at the guy for telling him to slow down three times, but at the end he was right, David’s too brilliant for his own mouth, when he slows down, we applaud :)

    • @voltcorp
      @voltcorp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yet, sitting down now with a button to slow down the video, and not having him around anymore to give us his brilliance, it does put into perspective how perhaps he should've been allowed to make the best possible use of his time.

  • @christflu4221
    @christflu4221 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    13:38-14:20 is the best summarization of the discussions around "reproductive labor" that i've heard. man he really had a way with words sometimes. what a loss. RIP

  • @suesimmons926
    @suesimmons926 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Production of people:"This is my work and my glory... to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man."

  • @0empanadas534
    @0empanadas534 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Alguien mas llegó aquí gracias a Migala? :^

  • @TarquinFoundump
    @TarquinFoundump 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    tight

  • @domingo2977
    @domingo2977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He serious because he took off the glasses. 🤣🤣😂🤣🤯😱🤔

  • @robwallace8249
    @robwallace8249 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 5:35 David mentions that Marx wrote that ancient authors did not write about the conditions that would create the most wealth, but rather the conditions that would create the best people. Can anyone tell me where in Marx's writings that can be found?

  • @jakecarlo9950
    @jakecarlo9950 ปีที่แล้ว

    ❤️

  • @OneEyedMonkey9000
    @OneEyedMonkey9000 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s funny to hear the guy asking David to slow down played at 1.25x speed 😆

  • @tristanreynolds5135
    @tristanreynolds5135 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This reminds me of Baudrillard's book, *The Mirror of Production*. I think Zizek acknowledges this with Marx's work, though he uses some Lacanian maneuvering to make it into a good/neccessary thing.

  • @oldreprobate2748
    @oldreprobate2748 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Money is a social construct, and that social construct is best used to support the needs of all of society. When not there is eventual crime, enemies, wars, and every other I'll that exist within our worldwide human experience.

  • @FreerMasons
    @FreerMasons 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It sounds like he is discussing Polanyi's embedded systems argument. capitalism embedded in Communism is much different than communism embedded in Capitalism. @29:00

  • @AudioPervert1
    @AudioPervert1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    all love the mac laptop ... Wow!

  • @ernststravoblofeld
    @ernststravoblofeld 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think they had a bet behind the scenes to see if they could get David to do an unwitting Shatner impression.

    • @Anarchist_Black_Sheep
      @Anarchist_Black_Sheep หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don't know much about David as a person, but somehow, I think he would have approved of such a bet.

  • @nicetrymate813
    @nicetrymate813 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I ask why you have the triskellion as your logo? and why is the triskellion being used in this presentation?

  • @njits789
    @njits789 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "David, a little bit slower." What?

  • @FreerMasons
    @FreerMasons 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    @25:15 :)

  • @xyzunodostres
    @xyzunodostres 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where is Rogivo?

    • @ollipaukkeri
      @ollipaukkeri 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it's Rojava. In syria

  • @funkybunky64
    @funkybunky64 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    David mentions this work *Stop creating capitalism". Found it here: www.johnholloway.com.mx/2011/07/30/stop-making-capitalism/
    Interesting read!

  • @dumbnonblonde4840
    @dumbnonblonde4840 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    David is endlessly cute and he looks so damn young I won't look half as good when I age, love him so much

  • @suesimmons926
    @suesimmons926 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How can you stand to do all that housework drudgery everyday? Actually what I am doing is raising a family!

  • @n1mbusmusic606
    @n1mbusmusic606 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    they killed him we have to Stand up for whats right. this isn't okay. this guy was one of the most important people on the planet. absolutely unacceptable.

  • @smooa1889
    @smooa1889 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    this dude says um so fucking much everytime he speaks

  • @s4njuro462
    @s4njuro462 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    That dude interrupting annoyed me enough to stop watching...

    • @lemon4472
      @lemon4472 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The interruption was cuz the live-translators could catch up, but yeah, he could've totally been more chill about it.

    • @legalfictionnaturalfact3969
      @legalfictionnaturalfact3969 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It's almost like it was intended to annoy and interrupt.

    • @PerteTotale
      @PerteTotale 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interrupting a thought process is disrespect, and untimely i. is a sign of dumbness. (Live) Translators should be ok with this speed, though I give a small handicap: the fast leap from 1 topic to 1a or 2 is where importance of understanding the topic and a broad voca comes in. I understand all this talk at normal speed and English is only my 3th language.

    • @anthony9475
      @anthony9475 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some languages take longer to speak than others such as sign language. Try and be more sympathetic.

  • @FreerMasons
    @FreerMasons 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    @17:45 :(

  • @amyjefferis3394
    @amyjefferis3394 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    29:05 "capitalism is just a bad way of organizing communism"😂

  • @TheGodlessGuitarist
    @TheGodlessGuitarist 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll bet capitalists choke when they here DG tell them that they invented the notion of 'arbeit macht frei'.

  • @harismichail2
    @harismichail2 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just in the vantage point of a viewer. The guy interrupting. What a tool.Just follow the natural rhythm of the person. goddam

  • @smooa1889
    @smooa1889 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    um

  • @xyzunodostres
    @xyzunodostres 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    31:42

  • @alinebaruchi1936
    @alinebaruchi1936 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    .

  • @dannyhermetz7201
    @dannyhermetz7201 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Teaching in school settings is primarily abstract and not useful. Teaching on the job as part of some production process which makes something people value is useful.

  • @markmason8469
    @markmason8469 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    In the future, do not interrupt the speakers demanding that they speak more slowly. This is rude. An insult. If you have a problem with language communications you can hire a translator and hand our headphones. Don't interrupt speakers. Why is it necessary for me to even articulate this request? Don't confuse and distract any speaker with your own personal language problems.

    • @SoziologeKS
      @SoziologeKS 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      this. this damn moderator... and the 5 seconds he spoke slower after that were torture

  • @jedimastersterling1
    @jedimastersterling1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Slaves but to whom? If you're socially isolated but you have a baby and a mortgage you effectively become a slave to your work and your creditor. If you're socially isolated, your job sucks, but you don't owe anything to anyone you can pick up and leave any time you feel like it. Who is the slave master for a drifter?

    • @luciennoxisou9502
      @luciennoxisou9502 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      All the means of subsistence are enclosed for private profit - it is pretty hard to drift away from that hegemony though not entirely impossible if one is committed to squatting on commonly held land somewhere - for many working class people, this is not a real possibility.

    • @aliceinwonder8978
      @aliceinwonder8978 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "your job sucks." you answered your own question. you are a slave to your boss, who exploits you for profit and puts you in bad conditions

  • @AtlantaBill
    @AtlantaBill 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Apparently there are simultaneous translations being done and that's why from time to time the call to slow down. Maybe they should let Graeber spell one of the interpreters for a while and find out how hard it is to put his sentences into another language. Incidentally, it's obvious that Graeber doesn't understand the classic concept of the Labor Theory of Value as found in Marx. If labor produces humans instead of material goods, how do you measure the value of these humans for the marketplace? You have to have material output before you can talk about stored labor power, i.e. Marx's dead labor.

    • @kvaka009
      @kvaka009 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Atlanta Bill maybe the interpreters should make sure to try to do their work as best as they can without throwing off the speaker in his presentation. And I'm sure David knows more about Marx than you ever will. Your comment ignores or simply misunderstands what David said: Marx assumes the labor theory of value because he is engaging in imminent critique, which does not mean he himself believed that the only source of value is labor power. That was the point David explicitly made. Maybe he should've talked slower for you.

  • @moviereviews1446
    @moviereviews1446 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The lip smacking is unbearable.

  • @legalfictionnaturalfact3969
    @legalfictionnaturalfact3969 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    HOW ABOUT RECORD THE TALK AND PLAY IT AT HALF SPEED FOR YOURSELF LATER SO YOU DON'T WASTE EVERYONE ELSE'S TIME SAYING "SLOWER SLOWER PAUSE MORE NEEEE", YOU ENTITLED MANBABY.