Ranks are extremely important. There's massive gap between them. Speed, strength, durability are just some of the ways ranks show their differences. The fact is Jinwoo at this point is not an E rank. Dongsuk a c rank couldn't even react to Jinwoo's face palm. The D ranks stand no chance. This is why it's so easy for him to kill them once he commits to it. Jinwoo is just too fast and strong for them.
The fact that this guy was so surprised that an E rank managed to kill a D rank even if he caugth him by surprise shows how big the difference between ranks is. And the gap gets bigger in the higher ranks. A from S ranks are worlds apart.
@@shhhh4637 yep, the difference between him and the other hunters is that they have awakening with balanced stats while Jinwoo can choose to put everything into strength and speed like he did
@@Gheniel_ I get what you are saying but thats not completely true. Because hunters stats also differ depending on their class (so an assassin C rank will have more agility, whereas a mage C rank more mana, a warrior more strength etc)
FYI false rankers go for lower rankings so they can be paired with other lower rankers in lower tier dungeons and kill those lower ranked hunters and not just monsters....that's why Jin Ho was scared. When Jin Ho mentions they like to kill he means other hunters.
The penalty of not doing the quest was "your heart will stop" so it is kill or be killed. Also, if he let thay guy go, he will do the same crime again. In the world we live in, yes there are things that can be left to the law but sadly in Jinwoos world it is different. That is also why he said "how could I forget" 😢. Remember at ep 1 and 2, we could see Jinwoo was a kind and nice person but that leads to him getting betrayed and almost die. So his mindset is changing. 😊 Also, when Jinwoo was watching the rain, we could see that even if he lost part of his morality he is still a kind brother. Some humanity remains even after murder.
Someting to note is that in the og material the system straight up asked him to "kill" not "defeat" those guys. I dont know why they changed it here, the meaning is the same. The system wouldnt accept him just knocking them out or something, since this wouldnt "ensure his safety". Hunters recover much faster than regular humans + there is healing magic in this world and they could come after him again really fast if he did that. Also his penalty for not completing this quest changed after the mage attacked him, into "your heart will stop". Nice reactions!
It like a game... defeat is still kill like "defeat 10 enemies to complete this quest" like beast so the system still treat hunters/humans as magic beast so 🤷🏾♂️
@@HeavenlyDemonicEmperor Yeah I guess they thought of it like that, thats why they changed it to "defeat". Still I would prefer if they kept "kill" since this way we could avoid misunderstandings
This world has high tier healing magic. To the point that even the most debilitating injuries can be reversed as if they didn't happen. So the idea of non lethal resolution in this case is close to zero.
On one hand, they didn't have a healer so it would have been possible to non-lethaly disable them, but on the other hand the system didn't update when Dongsuk had given up, so "Kill" was a requirement.
@@braxat52 I know the quest had to be done. Just wanted to comment on how Christine's solution wouldn't have worked in this world in case he didn't have the quest.
I love this episode. The music, it perfectly represents how SAD this moment is, even if we as spectators think it's cool. Jinwoo is being FORCED to end human lives. Also the POV of the mage as Jinwoo kills him, is so great.
Thinking beyond just morality here, but Dongsuk and his cronies have done this sort of thing several times before and destroyed a lot of lives. Dongsuk would likely continue that path since we have seen how criminals usually continue their illegal activities inside as well as after prison time. Actually, the way Dongsuk was portrayed, he seems the type that would come back with his brother and a new team to go after not just Sung, but his family and friends out of pure revenge. It may be cold and immoral to some, but never leave an enemy behind (especially if in a dungeon where the evidence disappears) it never ends well. Going into the rhyme and reason for why these magic beasts are coming through; I can see a couple of possibilities. Either some "evil" force is causing this disturbance for some kind of gain, or these dimensional beings are trying to communicate (maybe they have seen humans playing video games and think that is how they interact normally).
Regardless of rules of engagement. Jin-woo had basically a gun to his head (by a system that sent him to a desert to be chased by monsters for 4 hours because he didn't do enough pushups). The moment the quest came up, whatever his enemies said or did, Jin-woo was going to die if he didn't kill every single one of them. Even if all 6 of them stopped the very moment they realized how strong he was. At that point it's basically 'whose life do you value more'? If they were innocents then there'd be reason for him to sacrifice his own life to the system that currently rules him, even if it meant he would never see his sister again. But in this case, he'd be willingly dying for a gang of unrepentant murderers. Are people called murderers if they kill someone with a gun to their heads? I imagine it'd be closer to involuntary manslaughter.
Yep, self defence. Even when Hwang Dong-Suk was asking for mercy he has behaviour of someone who would still stab him in the back when Jinwoo lowers his guard, so there was no turning back.
@@TheGenreVerse Vuurvlieg21's comment is still a discussion of morals. Don't know why they chose to have the quest say "defeat" in the anime but in the manhwa it said kill. You kill these 6 people who want to kill you or your heart stops. As soon as they committed to the murder attempt the system locked Jinwoo into kill or be killed. Regardless of if they attempt to surrender or flee. So the moral question becomes if someone held a gun to your head and said "You either kill this confessed murderer or you die" what are the moral implications? System or no system in the hypothetical situation of kill this person you know 100% to be a serial murderer or die yourself regardless of if that person gives up or tries to escape you what does that mean morally? Can you call it murder? We as a society recognize that when people do things under duress it is not the same thing morally or legally as doing them of your own free will. We can ignore laws here and add in there are no legal ramifications either way. Do you have the justification to take life to preserve your own? What, if any, effect does the innocence or lack there of of the person or persons being killed have on that justification? Interesting questions.
I only meant we weren't discussing the morals of the system during the episode. Of course you should be morally clear for killing vs be killed. At least to a point... If the choice is to kill children or die yourself, you are in some seriously gray area of morality. Is there whole life being ahead with more than what you have left? 🤔 Isn't philosophy and morality fun? 😆
@@TheGenreVerse Exactly, it's pretty easy when the people you have to kill are very clearly bad. But the thought experiment really gets difficult when you start plugging in strangers and the innocent. Morality is a human construct, nature doesn't subscribe to any form of morality. The laws of nature would demand that any action to preserve ones own life is justified. But nature also builds the framework for our constructed morality since it comes from our use of group survival and the principles most espouse from a moral stand point favor the stability and survival of the group as a whole. This is all quite possibly much much deeper than the show actually wants you to think about any of this LOL.
17:30 "Levelling Up" is something that these guys can't comprehend. They're NPCs that are stuck at one level and "rank". They may be able to _marginally_ increase skills but in essence at the end of the day they are saying: "You don't belong here." "You should leave."
this is the only thing ruining the experience a bit for those who haven t read the manwha, translation mistakes, source material specifies "kill" and not "defeat", "drain" is actually called "bleed", the "murderous intent" skill should be "bloodlust", those "changes, if they are indeed being changed on purpose, or just messing it up, make a different. The system "ordered" him to kill or his heart would stop, I don t think there was much to consider , specially when he knew those guys were trash
Ranks are very much the classification. You don't beat a higher Rank however much effort you put in unless there are circumstances that even out the advantages (gear, skills, class etc. experience to use terrain, group actions etc. for your advantage). The ranks don't work like the classification of weight classes in sports, where you can shift. The ranking goes like a wind/hurricane scale.
If they follow the manhwa in the next episode, there will be greater interaction/explanation about the advantages of the system. System is just a system. The difference in power between the ranks is something close to 10x1, a D rank is equivalent to ten E ranks and so on, although there are variations in power between those of the same rank. That's why he's reluctant about him being an E rank. It was omitted in the episode, but in the manhwa he concludes, like Jinho, that Jinwoo is a false rank which would explain his power. There is a flaw in the translation, in the manhwa the system says "slay all enemies" and not "defeat" and that's why the system only counts 6 after he d3c@pitates Hwang. Jinwoo's rank is between C+ and B- now.
20:00 That was, I presume, Dong Suck's brother. The "umbrella" thing was going be to before he went into the dungeon he forced his sister (?) to take a foldable umbrella since it might rain.
15:10 it's just because magical power makes a huge difference in their strength and durability, just like the weapons with less magic like that knife Jinwoo had, it broke when clashed with the body and the weapon of a goblin with more magical power, it's an unnatural force.
15:55 Nah, there's no letting them escape. Originally in the manhwa, the system message said "Slay them all." Pretty clear cut it wants them dead. There's more than one reason for it, but you won't find that out for like 5-6 seasons haha.
they dont put "too much on the ranks things" because the rank you get will NEVER change. so if someone is stronger then you they will always be stronger then you. Jin woo is a complete anomaly so the Head of 6 villain is actually thinking logically. you as the watcher know jin woo can be strong because of what we see from his perspective so it was never them putting "too much on the rank things"
I get that, but things like luck and mistakes happen. Rank can matter a lot, but never underestimate someone because of it. Underestimating your enemy's capabilities or luck is a common tactical blunder.
1st opponent, hold a knife to their throat doesn't count as "defeated". 2nd & 3rd guys, paralysing them doesn't count as defeated. Last guy disarmed and begging for his life doesn't count as defeated. In each case (save the first) there is a moments pause to check whether The System's conditions had been met before the final blow. The guys with ranged attacks were too much of a danger to do any tests.
3:32 Jinwoo is comparing himself to higher ranks here, so compared to B, A, S, Jinwoo is still quite weak, though I think his at least a B rank from leveling up by the end of the episode however a B rank is usually weak compared to a A rank and on it goes. 7:54 Jinho would just in the way, and have Jinwoo need to save him, he is to weak of a rank to get involved unfortunately. 15:02 They actually don't, its just Sung is abnormal and currently has the power of a higher rank. A normal E rank would NEVER be able to defeat a rank D and up, same goes with all the ranks. If your a rank C, you'd never be expected to defeat a rank B and up. The power gaps between the ranks are incredibly massive. A E rank would be too slow to be able to hurt a D rank or above. 16:20 Technically Jinwoo could have easily knocked them all out, he is a lot more powerful than them all, since he has the power of a high ranked hunter, while they all have the power of low ranks, which is a ginormous power gap that I guess you can see in how he kills them, if they were high ranks, they'd be able to follow his movements and fast and durable enough to fight back but they aren't but the system means "kill them" its unfortunately mistranslated. 16: 43 I agree with another comment on how sad the killing scene actually is, like yes it looks cool but I feel like its basically mourning the loss of his innocence, and to me the music sounds sad, rather than cold? 18:53 I think the most accurate way to put this into that perspective would be, is it still looked on as murder if you had a gun to your head, telling you to kill the person, who tried to kill you because in your scenario, your life is not in danger if you accept their surrender so it makes sense to accept that surrender. Jinwoo never had that option in front of him because he would have died if he'd accepted that surrender. A lot of people see that umbrella scene as Jinwoo being really cold but I see it as Jinwoo trying to distract himself and think back to this morning, when he didn't have blood on his hands Great video :D
They aren't innocent though. I know killing is not something to take lightly but killing in self defense is not only legal in many places but it is morally okay too. Equal force for self defense. That will keep you safe legally and morally imo.
@@TheGenreVerse I wasn’t arguing against it, I was arguing for it since you seem to say that morally Jinwoo shouldn’t have killed the guy who surrendered I think? Unless I misunderstood and sorry if I did! While I was saying since Jinwoo essentially has a gun to his head, telling him if he didn’t kill that guy that surrendered, he himself would be killed, then surely that’s very different than killing someone who has already surrendered?
Yeah, we're on the same page! Lol. The system telling him to kill or be killed gives him a moral pass for sure. We weren't debating that one though in the reaction only talking about the self defense aspect and having a clear conscience.
16:40 Our boy shoulda cut off both the guy's hands and then let him die from the weapon debufs. I assume that "drain" is functionally equivalent to "bleed" in other games such as Guild Wars 2.
a D rank that's never trained a day in his life and knows no martial arts could easily beat a giant buff E rank who's a black belt in every martial art. That's the gap What training your body and technique does is decide your place in your own rank. E.g. a D rank trained in Martial arts and strong would beat a D rank that's untrained, but never a C rank
Not even if the C tank is over confident and makes a mistake? The lower tank cannot get lucky in any way? Like, if it's that black and white... Then something else must be at play. That's my whole thing on that comment.
It's just a bad translation. The system in the source material told him to KILL. Also, the dude at the end skips glute day. I can''t believe someone that jacked has less cake than me. And I'm like 130lbs.
why doesn't he have the moral high ground with the last one? they are murderers that would of killed him and if he did/could let him go he'd just go and do it again letting someone live that tried to kill you that would just come back for revenge isn't morality its stupidity and a very sheltered mind set.
also "rules of engagement" go out of the window in real war "international law" is a myth we killed most Nazis that surrendered and such as we should of, you are both very sheltered and have a very child like view on morality and ethics when you've had people try and kill you and you've seen friends get there head bust open you know how easily life can end so don't play with yours sympathising with monsters
Dude... I was in the Army. I went to Iraq and Afghanistan. I lost friends. Go back and relisten to what we're saying. It's a very specific thing we're getting at. Jinwoo is fine. He had a threat of life over him from the system.
The dude in hood armor can’t spell his name couldn’t have done anything useful even if he wanted to except for be a distraction but he might fail on even that as it’s A his first time in a dungeon and B it takes multiple around 10 I believe people his rank to defeat that spider
I’m definitely on jinwoo side coss if you let a guy like that live he can kill other hunters you saw in the last ep that this wasent the first time that group did that and got away with it
We're not against him. We're only commenting on a real world scenario in terms of legality and morality. If Someone surrenders after trying to (or actually killing) you're no longer legally defending yourself (or they're no longer a combatant in terms of military action). That's also ignoring "The System" threatening him with death. In the show, he has every right to do what he does. He should also feel morally clear about it for the most part.
@@TheGenreVerse that's true but i was giving my opinion IRL i would folow thé rules but in a game like system and your life is treatend it's kill or be killed.and i always find it hipocritical in anime and IRL People that kill others do it even if thé other asked to let them live but when thé table is turen on them thé they don't want to die but thé People that they killed diden't Wanne die either
20:25 Don't use "equal force". Use "necessary force". Then again "proportional" force is open to interpretation... th-cam.com/video/d5v6hlRyeHE/w-d-xo.html
Yes necessary is the better word, I could have also phrased it as "up to equal force." This was just commentary on the legal/moral justification for killing under self defense. Not too much on philosophical or diving into legal proceedings. There's for pointing out the better phrase!
Sorry, that's a bit harder for me. Brain injuries make it harder for me to hold a thought till the end while still watching and absorbing the rest. That's why we pause, so we don't miss anything because even multitasking talking and watching can cause me to miss or forget things.
It's all good. Legit critique considering how most reaction channels work. We do get to make it a bit more like actually hanging out with us because of it though. A much more personal experience lol. Thanks for checking us out!
This is their channel they can do whatever they want in their video what the fuck are you talking about, show some respect.😂 If you want to see the whole original thing then watch it by yourself no one will pause your video 😂
Killing changes you, even if it was justified, even if its' in self-defense. Taking another human life will change you forever. What you once were is gone. Something else has taken your place. You can compartmentalize all you want, but you the threat of trauma is too real. So many of my fellow Veterans wouldn't have PTSD if that wasn't the case.
Combat affects us all differently. It's not for the weak... You're not wrong in that it changes people. However, a "just" kill will generally affect you much differently than "unjust" or at least, it should.
Ranks are extremely important. There's massive gap between them. Speed, strength, durability are just some of the ways ranks show their differences. The fact is Jinwoo at this point is not an E rank. Dongsuk a c rank couldn't even react to Jinwoo's face palm. The D ranks stand no chance. This is why it's so easy for him to kill them once he commits to it. Jinwoo is just too fast and strong for them.
Considering how easily he took them down, he is likely a B rank in power I think.
@@pipercharms7374 Yeah he is currently low B rank
The fact that this guy was so surprised that an E rank managed to kill a D rank even if he caugth him by surprise shows how big the difference between ranks is. And the gap gets bigger in the higher ranks. A from S ranks are worlds apart.
@@shhhh4637 yep, the difference between him and the other hunters is that they have awakening with balanced stats while Jinwoo can choose to put everything into strength and speed like he did
@@Gheniel_ I get what you are saying but thats not completely true. Because hunters stats also differ depending on their class (so an assassin C rank will have more agility, whereas a mage C rank more mana, a warrior more strength etc)
FYI false rankers go for lower rankings so they can be paired with other lower rankers in lower tier dungeons and kill those lower ranked hunters and not just monsters....that's why Jin Ho was scared.
When Jin Ho mentions they like to kill he means other hunters.
The penalty of not doing the quest was "your heart will stop" so it is kill or be killed. Also, if he let thay guy go, he will do the same crime again.
In the world we live in, yes there are things that can be left to the law but sadly in Jinwoos world it is different. That is also why he said "how could I forget" 😢. Remember at ep 1 and 2, we could see Jinwoo was a kind and nice person but that leads to him getting betrayed and almost die. So his mindset is changing. 😊
Also, when Jinwoo was watching the rain, we could see that even if he lost part of his morality he is still a kind brother. Some humanity remains even after murder.
Someting to note is that in the og material the system straight up asked him to "kill" not "defeat" those guys. I dont know why they changed it here, the meaning is the same. The system wouldnt accept him just knocking them out or something, since this wouldnt "ensure his safety". Hunters recover much faster than regular humans + there is healing magic in this world and they could come after him again really fast if he did that.
Also his penalty for not completing this quest changed after the mage attacked him, into "your heart will stop".
Nice reactions!
Thanks for the context and for watching!
It like a game... defeat is still kill like "defeat 10 enemies to complete this quest" like beast so the system still treat hunters/humans as magic beast so 🤷🏾♂️
@@HeavenlyDemonicEmperor Yeah I guess they thought of it like that, thats why they changed it to "defeat". Still I would prefer if they kept "kill" since this way we could avoid misunderstandings
@shhhh4637 Yeah, I agree
@TheGenreVerse from what we can tell though, it seemed to react when they had shown their own murderous intent near him
This world has high tier healing magic. To the point that even the most debilitating injuries can be reversed as if they didn't happen. So the idea of non lethal resolution in this case is close to zero.
On one hand, they didn't have a healer so it would have been possible to non-lethaly disable them, but on the other hand the system didn't update when Dongsuk had given up, so "Kill" was a requirement.
@@braxat52 I know the quest had to be done. Just wanted to comment on how Christine's solution wouldn't have worked in this world in case he didn't have the quest.
I love this episode. The music, it perfectly represents how SAD this moment is, even if we as spectators think it's cool. Jinwoo is being FORCED to end human lives. Also the POV of the mage as Jinwoo kills him, is so great.
If someone mowed down my WHOLE platoon then they think they can simply surrender... Well I got bad news for them, if it were me as the sole survivor.
Thinking beyond just morality here, but Dongsuk and his cronies have done this sort of thing several times before and destroyed a lot of lives. Dongsuk would likely continue that path since we have seen how criminals usually continue their illegal activities inside as well as after prison time. Actually, the way Dongsuk was portrayed, he seems the type that would come back with his brother and a new team to go after not just Sung, but his family and friends out of pure revenge. It may be cold and immoral to some, but never leave an enemy behind (especially if in a dungeon where the evidence disappears) it never ends well.
Going into the rhyme and reason for why these magic beasts are coming through; I can see a couple of possibilities. Either some "evil" force is causing this disturbance for some kind of gain, or these dimensional beings are trying to communicate (maybe they have seen humans playing video games and think that is how they interact normally).
Regardless of rules of engagement. Jin-woo had basically a gun to his head (by a system that sent him to a desert to be chased by monsters for 4 hours because he didn't do enough pushups).
The moment the quest came up, whatever his enemies said or did, Jin-woo was going to die if he didn't kill every single one of them. Even if all 6 of them stopped the very moment they realized how strong he was. At that point it's basically 'whose life do you value more'? If they were innocents then there'd be reason for him to sacrifice his own life to the system that currently rules him, even if it meant he would never see his sister again. But in this case, he'd be willingly dying for a gang of unrepentant murderers.
Are people called murderers if they kill someone with a gun to their heads? I imagine it'd be closer to involuntary manslaughter.
We were only commenting on it from a moral sense. Not including the system's orders. He has every right to not be chased by worms lol
Yep, self defence. Even when Hwang Dong-Suk was asking for mercy he has behaviour of someone who would still stab him in the back when Jinwoo lowers his guard, so there was no turning back.
@@TheGenreVerse Vuurvlieg21's comment is still a discussion of morals. Don't know why they chose to have the quest say "defeat" in the anime but in the manhwa it said kill. You kill these 6 people who want to kill you or your heart stops. As soon as they committed to the murder attempt the system locked Jinwoo into kill or be killed. Regardless of if they attempt to surrender or flee. So the moral question becomes if someone held a gun to your head and said "You either kill this confessed murderer or you die" what are the moral implications? System or no system in the hypothetical situation of kill this person you know 100% to be a serial murderer or die yourself regardless of if that person gives up or tries to escape you what does that mean morally? Can you call it murder? We as a society recognize that when people do things under duress it is not the same thing morally or legally as doing them of your own free will. We can ignore laws here and add in there are no legal ramifications either way. Do you have the justification to take life to preserve your own? What, if any, effect does the innocence or lack there of of the person or persons being killed have on that justification? Interesting questions.
I only meant we weren't discussing the morals of the system during the episode. Of course you should be morally clear for killing vs be killed. At least to a point... If the choice is to kill children or die yourself, you are in some seriously gray area of morality. Is there whole life being ahead with more than what you have left? 🤔 Isn't philosophy and morality fun? 😆
@@TheGenreVerse Exactly, it's pretty easy when the people you have to kill are very clearly bad. But the thought experiment really gets difficult when you start plugging in strangers and the innocent. Morality is a human construct, nature doesn't subscribe to any form of morality. The laws of nature would demand that any action to preserve ones own life is justified. But nature also builds the framework for our constructed morality since it comes from our use of group survival and the principles most espouse from a moral stand point favor the stability and survival of the group as a whole. This is all quite possibly much much deeper than the show actually wants you to think about any of this LOL.
17:30 "Levelling Up" is something that these guys can't comprehend. They're NPCs that are stuck at one level and "rank". They may be able to _marginally_ increase skills but in essence at the end of the day they are saying: "You don't belong here." "You should leave."
i got chills when i watched that ep, cant wait for the job change quest 🔥🔥🔥
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this is the only thing ruining the experience a bit for those who haven t read the manwha, translation mistakes, source material specifies "kill" and not "defeat", "drain" is actually called "bleed", the "murderous intent" skill should be "bloodlust", those "changes, if they are indeed being changed on purpose, or just messing it up, make a different. The system "ordered" him to kill or his heart would stop, I don t think there was much to consider , specially when he knew those guys were trash
Thanks for the context!
Ranks are very much the classification. You don't beat a higher Rank however much effort you put in unless there are circumstances that even out the advantages (gear, skills, class etc. experience to use terrain, group actions etc. for your advantage). The ranks don't work like the classification of weight classes in sports, where you can shift. The ranking goes like a wind/hurricane scale.
Thanks for the context on ranks.
If they follow the manhwa in the next episode, there will be greater interaction/explanation about the advantages of the system. System is just a system. The difference in power between the ranks is something close to 10x1, a D rank is equivalent to ten E ranks and so on, although there are variations in power between those of the same rank. That's why he's reluctant about him being an E rank. It was omitted in the episode, but in the manhwa he concludes, like Jinho, that Jinwoo is a false rank which would explain his power. There is a flaw in the translation, in the manhwa the system says "slay all enemies" and not "defeat" and that's why the system only counts 6 after he d3c@pitates Hwang. Jinwoo's rank is between C+ and B- now.
20:00 That was, I presume, Dong Suck's brother. The "umbrella" thing was going be to before he went into the dungeon he forced his sister (?) to take a foldable umbrella since it might rain.
15:10 it's just because magical power makes a huge difference in their strength and durability, just like the weapons with less magic like that knife Jinwoo had, it broke when clashed with the body and the weapon of a goblin with more magical power, it's an unnatural force.
15:55 Nah, there's no letting them escape. Originally in the manhwa, the system message said "Slay them all." Pretty clear cut it wants them dead. There's more than one reason for it, but you won't find that out for like 5-6 seasons haha.
they dont put "too much on the ranks things" because the rank you get will NEVER change. so if someone is stronger then you they will always be stronger then you. Jin woo is a complete anomaly so the Head of 6 villain is actually thinking logically. you as the watcher know jin woo can be strong because of what we see from his perspective so it was never them putting "too much on the rank things"
I get that, but things like luck and mistakes happen. Rank can matter a lot, but never underestimate someone because of it. Underestimating your enemy's capabilities or luck is a common tactical blunder.
Manga - japanese
Manhwa - korean
Manhua - chinese
Bruh, while watching I just got an ad for Solo Leveling and I will say, I did not press that skip button at all 🤣
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been waiting for this. lol
Sorry it took so long. We're about to record last week's Frieren with Brian. Happy to be back in action!
I just finished reading the whole manwha (took me two days😅) and MAN I cannot wait for some of the fights/moments to be animated!
1st opponent, hold a knife to their throat doesn't count as "defeated". 2nd & 3rd guys, paralysing them doesn't count as defeated. Last guy disarmed and begging for his life doesn't count as defeated. In each case (save the first) there is a moments pause to check whether The System's conditions had been met before the final blow. The guys with ranged attacks were too much of a danger to do any tests.
Didn't even notice that. I mean, he didn't even need to check, he was clear to kill legally and morally in my book lol
3:32 Jinwoo is comparing himself to higher ranks here, so compared to B, A, S, Jinwoo is still quite weak, though I think his at least a B rank from leveling up by the end of the episode however a B rank is usually weak compared to a A rank and on it goes.
7:54 Jinho would just in the way, and have Jinwoo need to save him, he is to weak of a rank to get involved unfortunately.
15:02 They actually don't, its just Sung is abnormal and currently has the power of a higher rank. A normal E rank would NEVER be able to defeat a rank D and up, same goes with all the ranks. If your a rank C, you'd never be expected to defeat a rank B and up. The power gaps between the ranks are incredibly massive.
A E rank would be too slow to be able to hurt a D rank or above.
16:20 Technically Jinwoo could have easily knocked them all out, he is a lot more powerful than them all, since he has the power of a high ranked hunter, while they all have the power of low ranks, which is a ginormous power gap that I guess you can see in how he kills them, if they were high ranks, they'd be able to follow his movements and fast and durable enough to fight back but they aren't but the system means "kill them" its unfortunately mistranslated.
16: 43 I agree with another comment on how sad the killing scene actually is, like yes it looks cool but I feel like its basically mourning the loss of his innocence, and to me the music sounds sad, rather than cold?
18:53 I think the most accurate way to put this into that perspective would be, is it still looked on as murder if you had a gun to your head, telling you to kill the person, who tried to kill you because in your scenario, your life is not in danger if you accept their surrender so it makes sense to accept that surrender.
Jinwoo never had that option in front of him because he would have died if he'd accepted that surrender.
A lot of people see that umbrella scene as Jinwoo being really cold but I see it as Jinwoo trying to distract himself and think back to this morning, when he didn't have blood on his hands
Great video :D
They aren't innocent though. I know killing is not something to take lightly but killing in self defense is not only legal in many places but it is morally okay too. Equal force for self defense. That will keep you safe legally and morally imo.
@@TheGenreVerse I wasn’t arguing against it, I was arguing for it since you seem to say that morally Jinwoo shouldn’t have killed the guy who surrendered I think? Unless I misunderstood and sorry if I did!
While I was saying since Jinwoo essentially has a gun to his head, telling him if he didn’t kill that guy that surrendered, he himself would be killed, then surely that’s very different than killing someone who has already surrendered?
Yeah, we're on the same page! Lol. The system telling him to kill or be killed gives him a moral pass for sure. We weren't debating that one though in the reaction only talking about the self defense aspect and having a clear conscience.
16:40 Our boy shoulda cut off both the guy's hands and then let him die from the weapon debufs. I assume that "drain" is functionally equivalent to "bleed" in other games such as Guild Wars 2.
I've been told it should have been bleed instead. Drain to me means draining either HP or MP and giving it to the user/player.
a D rank that's never trained a day in his life and knows no martial arts could easily beat a giant buff E rank who's a black belt in every martial art.
That's the gap
What training your body and technique does is decide your place in your own rank.
E.g. a D rank trained in Martial arts and strong would beat a D rank that's untrained, but never a C rank
Not even if the C tank is over confident and makes a mistake? The lower tank cannot get lucky in any way? Like, if it's that black and white... Then something else must be at play.
That's my whole thing on that comment.
It's just a bad translation. The system in the source material told him to KILL.
Also, the dude at the end skips glute day. I can''t believe someone that jacked has less cake than me. And I'm like 130lbs.
lol
why doesn't he have the moral high ground with the last one? they are murderers that would of killed him and if he did/could let him go he'd just go and do it again letting someone live that tried to kill you that would just come back for revenge isn't morality its stupidity and a very sheltered mind set.
also "rules of engagement" go out of the window in real war "international law" is a myth we killed most Nazis that surrendered and such as we should of, you are both very sheltered and have a very child like view on morality and ethics when you've had people try and kill you and you've seen friends get there head bust open you know how easily life can end so don't play with yours sympathising with monsters
Dude... I was in the Army. I went to Iraq and Afghanistan. I lost friends. Go back and relisten to what we're saying. It's a very specific thing we're getting at. Jinwoo is fine. He had a threat of life over him from the system.
this korean anima is insane💯
Lol. He aint surrendering at all.
The dude in hood armor can’t spell his name couldn’t have done anything useful even if he wanted to except for be a distraction but he might fail on even that as it’s A his first time in a dungeon and B it takes multiple around 10 I believe people his rank to defeat that spider
The eensy weensy spider
Went up the water spout
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I’m definitely on jinwoo side coss if you let a guy like that live he can kill other hunters you saw in the last ep that this wasent the first time that group did that and got away with it
We're not against him. We're only commenting on a real world scenario in terms of legality and morality. If Someone surrenders after trying to (or actually killing) you're no longer legally defending yourself (or they're no longer a combatant in terms of military action). That's also ignoring "The System" threatening him with death. In the show, he has every right to do what he does. He should also feel morally clear about it for the most part.
@@TheGenreVerse that's true but i was giving my opinion IRL i would folow thé rules but in a game like system and your life is treatend it's kill or be killed.and i always find it hipocritical in anime and IRL People that kill others do it even if thé other asked to let them live but when thé table is turen on them thé they don't want to die but thé People that they killed diden't Wanne die either
@@TheGenreVerse joker movie is also good example of it, the first2 joker killed was self defense, 3th that ran counts as murder
But you may know why you remove rhe volume?????
Audio gets copyright claimed easily. This allows us to have more reaction content on screen.
20:25 Don't use "equal force". Use "necessary force".
Then again "proportional" force is open to interpretation...
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Yes necessary is the better word, I could have also phrased it as "up to equal force." This was just commentary on the legal/moral justification for killing under self defense. Not too much on philosophical or diving into legal proceedings. There's for pointing out the better phrase!
Nice react 🇧🇷
Obrigado
Im sorry but of someone tried to kill me three times they can cry mercy all they want. That goes for real life to. Got what they deserved.
Yes. You have the right to self defense.
human morals does'nt apply to him cuz he is death 😳
I mean... Nothing real applies to fiction lol.
Wtf analyze it after seeing it, i think that u miss the whole feeling stopping the cap like that
Sorry, that's a bit harder for me. Brain injuries make it harder for me to hold a thought till the end while still watching and absorbing the rest. That's why we pause, so we don't miss anything because even multitasking talking and watching can cause me to miss or forget things.
ouuh didnt know about that, my bad 🙏@@TheGenreVerse
It's all good. Legit critique considering how most reaction channels work. We do get to make it a bit more like actually hanging out with us because of it though. A much more personal experience lol. Thanks for checking us out!
This is their channel they can do whatever they want in their video what the fuck are you talking about, show some respect.😂 If you want to see the whole original thing then watch it by yourself no one will pause your video 😂
Ur IQ is lower than i expected@@Birdyie
yalls reaction sucked
Why?
@@TheGenreVerse comments like this are trolls, just to get ppl's reaction, even haters don't give a response that is this low IQ
Killing changes you, even if it was justified, even if its' in self-defense. Taking another human life will change you forever. What you once were is gone. Something else has taken your place. You can compartmentalize all you want, but you the threat of trauma is too real.
So many of my fellow Veterans wouldn't have PTSD if that wasn't the case.
Combat affects us all differently. It's not for the weak... You're not wrong in that it changes people. However, a "just" kill will generally affect you much differently than "unjust" or at least, it should.