John Tavares is a home town hero. The first star to leave his team and play for Toronto. Took a huge risk, took less money. Has exceeded his expectations on the contract. I'd love to have him back at a great AAV. Nothing but love for JT. You'll miss him when he's gone.
@@torrey88 go back to when he signed it in 2017. Ppl were predicting a huge fall off in the last cpl years. I think he's done better that those expectations
In no fantasy realm is he worth 3-4m you're fucking clueless. Tavares has done nothing but be a good player since he got here, Is 11m steep? Absolutely but NONE of the core guys are worth what they're being payed and yet its only Tavares that gets shit on. He has 419 points as a maple leaf in 6 seasons......but yeah 60-70 point players are only worth 3-4m give me a fucking break. It's fine if you aren't a fan, but Don't be a fucking Sped
Decided to subcribe awhile ago.. huge leafs fan and I feel like you put together the most in depth analysis on the team and give good visuals to help me understand some stats better, love the work
I can't remember when I started watching, but it's been a few years for sure. I follow Steve and SDPN and one of your videos popped up as something I may like. The algorithm was correct! I find your videos well thought out, calm, and almost like a voice of reason. You often validate my own thoughts, but you have the stats and details to support it, whereas I'm just going on gut instinct or assumption. When it comes to trades or signings, you often throw out names I never thought about or didn't have on my radar, and I love that. The fun part of being a sports fan is the rumors and fan theories and the "what if". And when one if those theories comes true, it's like winning a small lottery and you get to feel like a genius! Love the channel, keep it up, you're doing great!
I grew up watching the SDP and Dangle’s content so it’s always cool to hear that we kinda share an audience now haha. Crazy to think it’s been years since I started here
People don't hate John Tavares because of who he is, he's obviously an amazing hockey player. People hate the contract that Kyle Dubas signed him for which then influenced the 10+ million dollar signings of Mitch Marner and Auston Matthews and the current $11.5 million dollar signing of William Nylander because with that signing there was an internal salary cap that all the Core 4 expected to be paid. No other team has a cap situation structured like the Leafs do and even Kyle Dubas commented that he made a mistake signing Tavares before he got the Matthews and Marner contracts signed. Everybody expected the last few years of the Tavares contract to be garbage but the reason is everybody is disappointed was because we expected some success during Tavares' years with the Leafs and all we have is 1 playoff series win. The last 6 years with the core 4 has obviously been a failure and I look forward to seeing what we're going to do when Marner's contract and Tavares' contract expires next year. Obviously, as a Leafs fan, I'm pessimistic. I don't expect great things from this group.
@@matthoffman6962 San Jose would have done us a huge favour by overpaying for him. That way, Kadri would be our 2nd line center, there would be no "internal salary cap" of $11 million dollars, Matthews, Marner and Nylander would have all been given more reasonable contracts and the team would have had money to get more depth around the "Core 4". Dubas saw a shiny toy that he had to get and he caused a series of events that made this team's cap structure unmanageable.
@@Minamakhlouf - Agree 100%. We could have kept several really good players if the "core 4" weren't so badly overpaid, like Hyman for example - he had a great season & playoff - and that's only 1 example. Shoutout to Dumbass .... Get Stuffed!
yah he is a fantastic player one of the best of his generation being nearly a point per game palyer through his whole career and scored the 3rd most goals in the 2010s decade, the decade that was low scoring and dominated by goaltenders and its only his salary on his contract
It has everything to do with speed, but look at a guy like Dave Andreychuk wasn't the quickest but found a way to contribute and dominate in front of the net. This is exactly where JT is at his best, and he needs to be a presence in front of those opposing goalies just like Andreychuk!
Well, 2 years ago I had just graduated college and through this channel and other work, I was able to get hired by TSN right away. And since then I’ve don’t behind the scenes work on all the major international hockey tournaments like the WJC and Hlinka Gretzky Cup, IIHF men’s and women’s championships. Plus lots of Maple Leafs games including a few this past playoffs. I worked on Gino Reda’s show That’s Hockey. As well as Sportscentre and SC with Jay Onrait. So I’d say we’re on the right track 👀
@DownTownSports98 I knew you were a busy guy but Jesus, lmao. Well, I hope you know how much we all appreciate you getting back at it out here for us. We're all rooting for you!
I might be the only one that wants to see this, but, I kind of want to see Tavares play on a regular line with Matthews. At least just for a little bit to see how it goes. I do agree we need to get a very solid 3rd line centre no matter what though. Gives us a lot more flexibility to experiment with lineups.
This could be something we see 2 years from now if Tavares decides to stay at a cheaper price. Leafs have A LOT of cap flexibility a year from now, especially if the cap goes up to $93M. They could definitely afford to sign a legit 2C and get away with Tavares on the wing if someone like Minten develops into a capable 3C. Which I don’t think is too unrealistic to expect from him. It was just a 4 game try out, but Minten definitely didn’t sink in the games he played with Toronto last year. I’d say we’re a year away from a pretty decent influx of young, cheaper and capable bottom 6 forwards
The dilemma is Marner. They will put themselves in the exact same position if they sign Marner to 12m but cut Tavares to 6m. Also not even sure if Tavares is going to take that big of a pay cut. What if he puts up 35 goals and 85 points next season. He’s going to take a 5m pay cut? In what world? Lol
Everybody presumes John is going to want to come back but if he ends up losing his court case with the CRA then he may not want to come back to play in Canada. His annual signing bonus was taxed at the same rate of his salary (Which is considerably higher than he expected) Especially when you consider over 90% of his contract is annual signing bonus. He’s reportedly being charged 6.8 million in back taxes plus 1.2 million in interest fees. If he loses he will also continue o lose even more on the final couple years of his contract. By the end of it he might be out over 10 million than he anticipated. All this to say he might not take a discount on his next deal and prefer to play somewhere where the taxes aren’t so high.
Generally agree. I don't think JT would go for such a low per annum amount...make it 8 years guaranteed, while hoping for 4 productive ones...maybe he says yes? I was thinking back on Saturday while i was doing my run at the track between both in favour of trying to resign him and how and why the cap space would be better spent elsewhere. Respecting his offensive numbers, his positives as i see them, which are quite good(a couple of which you mentioned)and his deficienies, which is necessary to make an accurate and informed decision.....I thought something like 6 x $4.5M to 3X $6M...in that range...or we just say thanks for your commendable service(!) and seek 1 or 2 players in FA who are younger and put up between them equal or better numbers. Whatever the GM decides is better for the Leafs is what should be done...and he started on the Defence two weeks ago. Good post. It put a favourable but balanced light on the Captain.👍
The only way you can say JT exceeded or even met he contract value is if the Leafs had made it to the finals ONCE. Otherwise he's not made a big enough impact to warrant $12MM AAV
Maybe the weight of captaincy is now starting to play on JTs mind, with the rise of calls to give AM34 the C. It may be a good thing if he does lose the C. The stress and weight could lift off his shoulders, and he can just concentrate on hockey.
I’m all for him coming back but it cannot be at a stamkos-esque deal. There are some intriguing potential forward free agents next summer and Tavares making more than 6 million or so I would say would continue to further handcuff the leafs. That’s assuming we are also keeping marner as well (losing mitch for nothing I think is unacceptable)
I think he may sign an eight year deal for slightly higher with the understanding he goes on LTIR once his production slides below a certain level. He will be a valuable asset for the next couple of years.
First of don't blame JT (or that matter any player for their contract ) and at the time it was reported that the Islanders were offering a very similar contract . Blame management for how they structured the contracts , and just look at Pittsburgh , it continues . As for 2 pts in 7 games , whole team mustered 12 goals in 7 .
Tavares wasn't with Bertuzzi on the 3rd line. That is the reason for the stats. Bertuzzi is gone. Jarnkrok and Robertson are potential 20 goal players. How much better do you expect from the 3rd line??? Domi was great on the faceoff. He is a perfect 3rd line centre.
I have watched almost every game of JT on the leafs and I saw a big change after the couple head shot injuries, since then he seems to have cement hands in front of the net(very slow reactions), sure he has got some good goals over the last seasons but more often than not he's fanning on the shot, missing the shot or putting it right into the logo. He plays eyes closed hockey when going into the boards, he loses almost every 1 on 1 encounter to simple stick lifts and poor reaction times, and he's gotten very slow on the back check. The problem is: I don't see him getting any better, only worse and we lost a lot of games last year down 1 goal with 1 min. left and JT getting several opportunities in front of the net and not getting the job done, time and time again. When it comes down to those key moments and key games having him in the top 6 and a key role player is going to hurt us, even more this season.
Also I will never forget seeing a video of Mats Sundin entering the leafs dressing room to announce the lineups for a game and all the boys were clapping it up and the camera panned to JT and he was snapping his fingers, like c'mon now...
This is a rebuild year. No cap room. JT is not the problem as far as his play goes. Always gives 100% of what he has. Sadly his 3 teamates could care less about the rest of the team. Money, money, money. Team last. Great golfers. The last 2 contracts the guys would not even take a little less so Marner could stay. We keep losing players because we can not pay more than a couple million. Every time the cap goes up it just goes to them anyways. You can never improve the supporting cast. Wait till next year and go with prospects. The defence and goaltending are huge question marks. If ALL the stars align pick up some help at the deadline. If the leafs are not running four lines all season we are going nowhere anyways.
I hate that all these players have no moves because we are going to have to go through another season of disappointment...I don't think I'll bother watching this year. I've been here a couple years now I believe.
I was hoping they'd pay his bonus and send him to a team looking to get to the cap floor,we could have used the cap space and ya know Toronto has the $
No! We don't need to talk about it. It's July. Nobody cares. Wait until the season starts and then talk about it. Until then, just relax and enjoy your summer.
JT is a good player. Unfortunately, he's lost a step and is definitely slower. Good face-off guy and decent shot. Not in my PP1 anymore. He is a second line center now. If he wants to come back for 3-4 million I'd consider it. Anything higher he's gone.
@@pahulmultani972 20/65 are from the PP. Just under 31% In comparison to say Leon Draisaitl, who had 39/106, just under 37% Or Sam Reinhart, 34/94, 36%. Of his 57 goals, 27 were from the power play, which means 47% of his goals were scored on PP. JT had 9 PP goals, which means only 31% of his goals were from the PP. JT's may be a bit high compared to average, but not even close to being a PP merchant like some players that you appear to be implying.
JT was always an overpay. It happens with top UFA guys ALL the time. He took less $ than San Jose (12M x 7) & the Islanders (11M x 8) offered at the time. People said the deal would age poorly. It has not. He has been a PPG guy for years 1-5, just like his career numbers. Last year's 65 pts was a small step down, but hardly falling off a cliff. He was tasked with limiting Pastrnak's line in the playoffs. He did well with Pastrnak held to 3 goals in 7 games. He & Kampf have been graded as the fittest Leafs. He will equal or exceed 65 pts again this season. He doesn't want to go anywhere else & will likely give Tre a significant hometown discount on an extension. A pro's pro. I would re-sign him at a reasonable team-friendly aav (2 x 3-4M max).
john travars is the problem.. He is not a captain, He has lead skates and eats up all the cap space. HE SUCKS the life out of the team. oh ya he also has the personality of a tree stump
I am willing to make a sacrifice with Tavares leaving if we don’t hear the worn out “core 4” phrase again. Watching Tavares out there in the playoffs has been very underwhelming. Unlikely to improve in the next 2-3 years. If he is willing to come back on 3 million AAV then fine. The Leafs need to find a new second line center. I believe they should try out Marner there… or find a new option by trade or Free Agency. A swing at McDavid…?
No no need to talk about anything Leafs have to stop being sentimental to all their players and think about business. this team has won one single Playoff round the last 20 years I say the Leafs give him an option -either wave your NMC and get traded as Captain which is not very humiliating at all since every leaf Captain has been traded at some point or option number 2- don't wave your NMC and get the captaincy stripped off you which is a major humiliation .His$ 11 million cap hit is preventing this team from building depth which is what you need to win in the playoffs. Enough of this being sentimental give him these two options and tell himto make a decision before training camp if he agrees to waive there's plenty of teams out there that will take the last year of that contract that have the cap room
Stop all the sentemtality about this guy, this is a business, you think any company you work for keeps you around because your a good guy. They get rid of you, same here. Offer him 3 years 3 million a year or see ya. If Marner hangs around let him walk then you have 21 almost 22 million in cap space. Think about what you can do with that. Also JT has to move to the wing, way too slow to play centre anymore.
..not na Leaf fan..but..Tavares is not the primary issue..thats Marner,,if the Captaincy was in a small space and the "core four" fought for it..Tavares would emerge with the "c"..Matty. Mitchy and Willy are better suited to non-contact..
yes!!! I CANT FOR LIFE OF ME UNDERSTAND ALL THE TALK ABOUT MARNER WHEN THE REAL ERROR ON THIS TEAM IS PAJAMA BOY. He is a the worst leader in leafs history. YES, worse than #3! At least he would hit and stick up for his teammates. We finally had two superstars and that was ruined by the worst contract in left history. How he is till the captain on this team is beyond me. They should be doing all in their power to be rid of this soft overpaid pajama boy. with him on the team they wont get out of round one.
Because Tavares shows up ans plays, works hard and Isn't a pussy. Marner Cries when things get hard and is completely invisible year after year.....maybe rhats why
Dumbas* Dubas' biggest blunder was signing Tavares to that contract during a constructive rebuild (with all those upcoming stars) which shackled the team's cap space; in essence, it cost the Leafs a legit run for the cup. Hate playing "the race card," but blaming and trading Kadri was a hate play, by the most racist team in the NHL - the Toronto Maple Leafs. Just saying
@@Mike-jf8py player stats in Boston series Tavares 2 points 7 games Marner 3 points 7 games JVR (1million) 3 points 5 games Zacha 2 points Coyle 2 points Tavares gives you the production of a depth player for 11 million LOL. Look at his stats vs Florida year before 1 point 5 games Lol
No no need to talk about anything Leafs have to stop being sentimental to all their players and think about business. this team has won one single Playoff round the last 20 years I say the Leafs give him an option -either wave your NMC and get traded as Captain which is not very humiliating at all since every leaf Captain has been traded at some point or option number 2- don't wave your NMC and get the captaincy stripped off you which is a major humiliation .His$ 11 million cap hit is preventing this team from building depth which is what you need to win in the playoffs. Enough of this being sentimental give him these two options and tell himto make a decision before training camp if he agrees to waive there's plenty of teams out there that will take the last year of that contract that have the cap room
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John Tavares is a home town hero. The first star to leave his team and play for Toronto. Took a huge risk, took less money. Has exceeded his expectations on the contract. I'd love to have him back at a great AAV. Nothing but love for JT. You'll miss him when he's gone.
Exceeded expectations on contract? Tavares vs bruins 2 points in 7 games
He’s an 11 million dollar player who’s actually worth like 3-4 million
I wouldnt say “exceeded expectations”… I would say he met them.
@@torrey88 go back to when he signed it in 2017. Ppl were predicting a huge fall off in the last cpl years. I think he's done better that those expectations
In no fantasy realm is he worth 3-4m you're fucking clueless. Tavares has done nothing but be a good player since he got here, Is 11m steep? Absolutely but NONE of the core guys are worth what they're being payed and yet its only Tavares that gets shit on. He has 419 points as a maple leaf in 6 seasons......but yeah 60-70 point players are only worth 3-4m give me a fucking break. It's fine if you aren't a fan, but Don't be a fucking Sped
I won’t miss him when he’s gone. He never aligned with the window of the team.
Stephen, keep the awesome analysis coming all year! You have the best Leafs channel on YT!
Never any pressure to donate or send money, but I definitely appreciate the support. I’m happy to be back on here more frequently
Stephen, we need your analysis on what Marner at Centre would look like!!
Decided to subcribe awhile ago.. huge leafs fan and I feel like you put together the most in depth analysis on the team and give good visuals to help me understand some stats better, love the work
If we keep doing this low aav/long-term deal on old guys, they'll have to build a new wing at Robidas Island.
Man I’m so glad you’re back and posting consistently, you’re by far the best leafs content creator on the app
I can't remember when I started watching, but it's been a few years for sure.
I follow Steve and SDPN and one of your videos popped up as something I may like. The algorithm was correct!
I find your videos well thought out, calm, and almost like a voice of reason.
You often validate my own thoughts, but you have the stats and details to support it, whereas I'm just going on gut instinct or assumption.
When it comes to trades or signings, you often throw out names I never thought about or didn't have on my radar, and I love that. The fun part of being a sports fan is the rumors and fan theories and the "what if". And when one if those theories comes true, it's like winning a small lottery and you get to feel like a genius!
Love the channel, keep it up, you're doing great!
I grew up watching the SDP and Dangle’s content so it’s always cool to hear that we kinda share an audience now haha. Crazy to think it’s been years since I started here
I've been watching for two years, I love the deep dives into the analytics side of the Leafs news, no channel does it better.
Started watching ages ago, definitely years
People don't hate John Tavares because of who he is, he's obviously an amazing hockey player. People hate the contract that Kyle Dubas signed him for which then influenced the 10+ million dollar signings of Mitch Marner and Auston Matthews and the current $11.5 million dollar signing of William Nylander because with that signing there was an internal salary cap that all the Core 4 expected to be paid. No other team has a cap situation structured like the Leafs do and even Kyle Dubas commented that he made a mistake signing Tavares before he got the Matthews and Marner contracts signed. Everybody expected the last few years of the Tavares contract to be garbage but the reason is everybody is disappointed was because we expected some success during Tavares' years with the Leafs and all we have is 1 playoff series win.
The last 6 years with the core 4 has obviously been a failure and I look forward to seeing what we're going to do when Marner's contract and Tavares' contract expires next year. Obviously, as a Leafs fan, I'm pessimistic. I don't expect great things from this group.
@@Minamakhlouf that’s also stupid though. In order for him to come you they HAD to offer that contract. If they didn’t he would be in San Jose
@@matthoffman6962 San Jose would have done us a huge favour by overpaying for him. That way, Kadri would be our 2nd line center, there would be no "internal salary cap" of $11 million dollars, Matthews, Marner and Nylander would have all been given more reasonable contracts and the team would have had money to get more depth around the "Core 4". Dubas saw a shiny toy that he had to get and he caused a series of events that made this team's cap structure unmanageable.
@@Minamakhlouf - Agree 100%. We could have kept several really good players if the "core 4" weren't so badly overpaid, like Hyman for example - he had a great season & playoff - and that's only 1 example. Shoutout to Dumbass .... Get Stuffed!
yah he is a fantastic player one of the best of his generation being nearly a point per game palyer through his whole career and scored the 3rd most goals in the 2010s decade, the decade that was low scoring and dominated by goaltenders and its only his salary on his contract
It has everything to do with speed, but look at a guy like Dave Andreychuk wasn't the quickest but found a way to contribute and dominate in front of the net. This is exactly where JT is at his best, and he needs to be a presence in front of those opposing goalies just like Andreychuk!
My favourite leafs analysis hands down! Since the bubble!
I love this channel!
Been watching from the start. Love the deep dives.
Okay guys, brainstorm time. How do we get this man famous.
Well, 2 years ago I had just graduated college and through this channel and other work, I was able to get hired by TSN right away. And since then I’ve don’t behind the scenes work on all the major international hockey tournaments like the WJC and Hlinka Gretzky Cup, IIHF men’s and women’s championships. Plus lots of Maple Leafs games including a few this past playoffs. I worked on Gino Reda’s show That’s Hockey. As well as Sportscentre and SC with Jay Onrait. So I’d say we’re on the right track 👀
@DownTownSports98 I knew you were a busy guy but Jesus, lmao. Well, I hope you know how much we all appreciate you getting back at it out here for us. We're all rooting for you!
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Tavares had 29 goals last year that ain t bad at all, been watching this channel since the beggining.
I might be the only one that wants to see this, but, I kind of want to see Tavares play on a regular line with Matthews. At least just for a little bit to see how it goes. I do agree we need to get a very solid 3rd line centre no matter what though. Gives us a lot more flexibility to experiment with lineups.
This could be something we see 2 years from now if Tavares decides to stay at a cheaper price. Leafs have A LOT of cap flexibility a year from now, especially if the cap goes up to $93M. They could definitely afford to sign a legit 2C and get away with Tavares on the wing if someone like Minten develops into a capable 3C. Which I don’t think is too unrealistic to expect from him. It was just a 4 game try out, but Minten definitely didn’t sink in the games he played with Toronto last year. I’d say we’re a year away from a pretty decent influx of young, cheaper and capable bottom 6 forwards
I’m down on the relationship between his production and cap hit. I’m content to keep him if we can fix it with his next contract.
The dilemma is Marner. They will put themselves in the exact same position if they sign Marner to 12m but cut Tavares to 6m. Also not even sure if Tavares is going to take that big of a pay cut. What if he puts up 35 goals and 85 points next season. He’s going to take a 5m pay cut? In what world? Lol
The problem isn't the player. The problem is the contract.
Tavares can be a very good 3rd line center for the next 3-4 years. The question is how much are you willing to pay for 3rd line center.
Everybody presumes John is going to want to come back but if he ends up losing his court case with the CRA then he may not want to come back to play in Canada. His annual signing bonus was taxed at the same rate of his salary (Which is considerably higher than he expected) Especially when you consider over 90% of his contract is annual signing bonus.
He’s reportedly being charged 6.8 million in back taxes plus 1.2 million in interest fees. If he loses he will also continue o lose even more on the final couple years of his contract.
By the end of it he might be out over 10 million than he anticipated. All this to say he might not take a discount on his next deal and prefer to play somewhere where the taxes aren’t so high.
His court case was over a few weeks ago.
He's been paid now show the loyalty
We need cap space to Quinn he's the captained by example 4 x 4
Leave 7 in cap space
Generally agree. I don't think JT would go for such a low per annum amount...make it 8 years guaranteed, while hoping for 4 productive ones...maybe he says yes? I was thinking back on Saturday while i was doing my run at the track between both in favour of trying to resign him and how and why the cap space would be better spent elsewhere. Respecting his offensive numbers, his positives as i see them, which are quite good(a couple of which you mentioned)and his deficienies, which is necessary to make an accurate and informed decision.....I thought something like 6 x $4.5M to 3X $6M...in that range...or we just say thanks for your commendable service(!) and seek 1 or 2 players in FA who are younger and put up between them equal or better numbers. Whatever the GM decides is better for the Leafs is what should be done...and he started on the Defence two weeks ago. Good post. It put a favourable but balanced light on the Captain.👍
The only way you can say JT exceeded or even met he contract value is if the Leafs had made it to the finals ONCE. Otherwise he's not made a big enough impact to warrant $12MM AAV
Maybe the weight of captaincy is now starting to play on JTs mind, with the rise of calls to give AM34 the C.
It may be a good thing if he does lose the C. The stress and weight could lift off his shoulders, and he can just concentrate on hockey.
I’m all for him coming back but it cannot be at a stamkos-esque deal. There are some intriguing potential forward free agents next summer and Tavares making more than 6 million or so I would say would continue to further handcuff the leafs. That’s assuming we are also keeping marner as well (losing mitch for nothing I think is unacceptable)
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Thank you for your support Jon! I definitely remember seeing comments from you in the past. Happy to be back
4 years I wanna say
I find your abundance of faith encouraging Lord Vader
Like number 120 on this vid, let's build this channel out, sign Johnny t to 4 mil a season or walk
John Tavares
5 years 4 million a year with a growing cap is great.
it will be 8y x 3m to keep the AAV in check. Shorter than 5 years, you're looking at about 5yx5m
I think he may sign an eight year deal for slightly higher with the understanding he goes on LTIR once his production slides below a certain level.
He will be a valuable asset for the next couple of years.
I wouldnt even re sign him we want to break up the core so why bring him back 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@user-sn8sw2vi8z Because the issue with Tavares and the core, is they’ve been overpaid for what they deliver in the playoffs…?
@@BurtTurbo I wouldn't bring back JT and trade Marner. It's time for a shake up for god sakes 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤬🤬🤬
Hope Tavares sticks around, but NOT at $11 million. That salary has to come down, or say goodbye to one of the Leafs true character players...
First of don't blame JT (or that matter any player for their contract ) and at the time it was reported that the Islanders were offering a very similar contract . Blame management for how they structured the contracts , and just look at Pittsburgh , it continues . As for 2 pts in 7 games , whole team mustered 12 goals in 7 .
I think $3M might be optimistic, but I’ve been saying similar as well for a while about keeping JT at a low AAV using term.
I think 5 years for 3 million is a amazing deal
Tavares wasn't with Bertuzzi on the 3rd line. That is the reason for the stats. Bertuzzi is gone. Jarnkrok and Robertson are potential 20 goal players. How much better do you expect from the 3rd line??? Domi was great on the faceoff. He is a perfect 3rd line centre.
2 years more for no more than $5 million, less hopefully. He'd a better fit as a center who plays against the opposition's top line.
I have watched almost every game of JT on the leafs and I saw a big change after the couple head shot injuries, since then he seems to have cement hands in front of the net(very slow reactions), sure he has got some good goals over the last seasons but more often than not he's fanning on the shot, missing the shot or putting it right into the logo. He plays eyes closed hockey when going into the boards, he loses almost every 1 on 1 encounter to simple stick lifts and poor reaction times, and he's gotten very slow on the back check. The problem is: I don't see him getting any better, only worse and we lost a lot of games last year down 1 goal with 1 min. left and JT getting several opportunities in front of the net and not getting the job done, time and time again. When it comes down to those key moments and key games having him in the top 6 and a key role player is going to hurt us, even more this season.
Also I will never forget seeing a video of Mats Sundin entering the leafs dressing room to announce the lineups for a game and all the boys were clapping it up and the camera panned to JT and he was snapping his fingers, like c'mon now...
This is a rebuild year. No cap room. JT is not the problem as far as his play goes. Always gives 100% of what he has. Sadly his 3 teamates could care less about the rest of the team. Money, money, money. Team last. Great golfers. The last 2 contracts the guys would not even take a little less so Marner could stay. We keep losing players because we can not pay more than a couple million. Every time the cap goes up it just goes to them anyways. You can never improve the supporting cast. Wait till next year and go with prospects. The defence and goaltending are huge question marks. If ALL the stars align pick up some help at the deadline. If the leafs are not running four lines all season we are going nowhere anyways.
Keep JT, Trade Marner or let him walk.
I see JT sticking around if he can fill the role Spezza had for us. No issue with that at all for the right number and term
It is odd that I hear the Leafs need a #3 Centerman. They have one. If they dump JT they will need 2.
I hate that all these players have no moves because we are going to have to go through another season of disappointment...I don't think I'll bother watching this year. I've been here a couple years now I believe.
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I was hoping they'd pay his bonus and send him to a team looking to get to the cap floor,we could have used the cap space and ya know Toronto has the $
❤❤I clicked 301 bro
No! We don't need to talk about it. It's July. Nobody cares. Wait until the season starts and then talk about it. Until then, just relax and enjoy your summer.
This is one of my jobs
Agreed.
ive watched for about 3 years haha
JT is a good player. Unfortunately, he's lost a step and is definitely slower. Good face-off guy and decent shot. Not in my PP1 anymore. He is a second line center now.
If he wants to come back for 3-4 million I'd consider it. Anything higher he's gone.
Lol. I wrote this before watching the video
what you leaf out is his numbers against playoff teams compared to nonplayoff teams and against starting goalies and back ups
Great stuff. JT at 3 Milly for the next couple seasons. Giddy up!!!
Been watching since the early days. Discovered you via Andrew Piluk.
He still produces
29 goals and 65 points is not a 3rd liner.
Most of this points are on the PP with Matthews marner nylander
@@pahulmultani972 20/65 are from the PP. Just under 31%
In comparison to say Leon Draisaitl, who had 39/106, just under 37%
Or Sam Reinhart, 34/94, 36%. Of his 57 goals, 27 were from the power play, which means 47% of his goals were scored on PP. JT had 9 PP goals, which means only 31% of his goals were from the PP.
JT's may be a bit high compared to average, but not even close to being a PP merchant like some players that you appear to be implying.
$3mx3yrs for 3rd line centre
John coming back on a team-friendly, long-term deal is part of the prophecy that will lead us back to Lord Stanley.
JT was always an overpay. It happens with top UFA guys ALL the time. He took less $ than San Jose (12M x 7) & the Islanders (11M x 8) offered at the time. People said the deal would age poorly. It has not. He has been a PPG guy for years 1-5, just like his career numbers. Last year's 65 pts was a small step down, but hardly falling off a cliff. He was tasked with limiting Pastrnak's line in the playoffs. He did well with Pastrnak held to 3 goals in 7 games. He & Kampf have been graded as the fittest Leafs. He will equal or exceed 65 pts again this season. He doesn't want to go anywhere else & will likely give Tre a significant hometown discount on an extension. A pro's pro. I would re-sign him at a reasonable team-friendly aav (2 x 3-4M max).
Love JT but if he’s not willing to do a Gio / Spezza deal he’s gotta go
Tavares isn't the problem, nor is the $11 million... the problem is the term on the contract. It should have been 5 years, then re-sign to less.
john travars is the problem.. He is not a captain, He has lead skates and eats up all the cap space. HE SUCKS the life out of the team. oh ya he also has the personality of a tree stump
@LukeRobinson - even though you severely insulted tree stumps everywhere, I gave you a thumbs-up - agree 100000%.
Um, no one other than one or two weirdos really thinks he's a 3rd liner.
We should keep John and not strip the “c”. Bad look.
I am willing to make a sacrifice with Tavares leaving if we don’t hear the worn out “core 4” phrase again. Watching Tavares out there in the playoffs has been very underwhelming. Unlikely to improve in the next 2-3 years.
If he is willing to come back on 3 million AAV then fine. The Leafs need to find a new second line center. I believe they should try out Marner there… or find a new option by trade or Free Agency.
A swing at McDavid…?
Found your channel maybe 2-3 years ago.
It's time for Tavarse to move on.
No no need to talk about anything Leafs have to stop being sentimental to all their players and think about business. this team has won one single Playoff round the last 20 years I say the Leafs give him an option -either wave your NMC and get traded as Captain which is not very humiliating at all since every leaf Captain has been traded at some point or option number 2- don't wave your NMC and get the captaincy stripped off you which is a major humiliation .His$ 11 million cap hit is preventing this team from building depth which is what you need to win in the playoffs. Enough of this being sentimental give him these two options and tell himto make a decision before training camp if he agrees to waive there's plenty of teams out there that will take the last year of that contract that have the cap room
Stop all the sentemtality about this guy, this is a business, you think any company you work for keeps you around because your a good guy. They get rid of you, same here. Offer him 3 years 3 million a year or see ya. If Marner hangs around let him walk then you have 21 almost 22 million in cap space. Think about what you can do with that. Also JT has to move to the wing, way too slow to play centre anymore.
Offer JT a 4x4 contract
I’d like to see him get resigned if the price is right
..not na Leaf fan..but..Tavares is not the primary issue..thats Marner,,if the Captaincy was in a small space and the "core four" fought for it..Tavares would emerge with the "c"..Matty. Mitchy and Willy are better suited to non-contact..
yes!!! I CANT FOR LIFE OF ME UNDERSTAND ALL THE TALK ABOUT MARNER WHEN THE REAL ERROR ON THIS TEAM IS PAJAMA BOY. He is a the worst leader in leafs history. YES, worse than #3! At least he would hit and stick up for his teammates. We finally had two superstars and that was ruined by the worst contract in left history. How he is till the captain on this team is beyond me. They should be doing all in their power to be rid of this soft overpaid pajama boy. with him on the team they wont get out of round one.
@@Gypsyalchemy333 lol you didn't watch the video before posting eh
@@austinsroche I 100% did. How did I not?? I posted that comment because this is the only video containing any kind of substance regarding pajama boy.
Because Tavares shows up ans plays, works hard and Isn't a pussy. Marner Cries when things get hard and is completely invisible year after year.....maybe rhats why
@@filthydegenerate6528 typical delusional commie Canadian.
@@filthydegenerate6528Nonsense.
Dumbas* Dubas' biggest blunder was signing Tavares to that contract during a constructive rebuild (with all those upcoming stars) which shackled the team's cap space; in essence, it cost the Leafs a legit run for the cup. Hate playing "the race card," but blaming and trading Kadri was a hate play, by the most racist team in the NHL - the Toronto Maple Leafs. Just saying
Tavares needs a massive paycut. He gets outproduced routinely by depth players and is a non factor
What depth player in thr NHL scores 60-70 points and Above 20 goals regularly?. I'll wait
Lol. Out produced by depth players like who? And you said routinely like it’s happened more than once. Show me a depth player who’s done it one time.
@@filthydegenerate6528 Tavares only got 60 points and he plays on the PP with Matthews marner nylander. He would barely scratch 40 without PP time
@@Mike-jf8py player stats in Boston series
Tavares 2 points 7 games
Marner 3 points 7 games
JVR (1million) 3 points 5 games
Zacha 2 points
Coyle 2 points
Tavares gives you the production of a depth player for 11 million LOL. Look at his stats vs Florida year before 1 point 5 games Lol
No no need to talk about anything Leafs have to stop being sentimental to all their players and think about business. this team has won one single Playoff round the last 20 years I say the Leafs give him an option -either wave your NMC and get traded as Captain which is not very humiliating at all since every leaf Captain has been traded at some point or option number 2- don't wave your NMC and get the captaincy stripped off you which is a major humiliation .His$ 11 million cap hit is preventing this team from building depth which is what you need to win in the playoffs. Enough of this being sentimental give him these two options and tell himto make a decision before training camp if he agrees to waive there's plenty of teams out there that will take the last year of that contract that have the cap room