Thank you, now I drive like this on the street (steering part). It's crazy How I don't need to shuffle or even slide my hands for demanding turns or corners.
@Soldagg Yes. Update everyone! I do hand over hand now. at 9-3.It's the best between having control and being safe. This is old! You also have the risk of locking completely and not being able to steer more unless you release everything. What people should retain here is: Keep two hands on the wheel for better control. Also, I hate the shuffle method.
This is what my driving teacher taught me at my driving school - very useful for easy steering and car control (car won’t wobble from side to side). He called it “hand over hand” technique. Learn it, practice it and make it a daily HABIT when driving!
A simple tutorial in under 3 minutes! Thank you! In my case I took a high performance driving class and the instructors never covered the proper way to steer. Part of the class included an Autocross race and the steering techniques you show would have definitely improved my lap times!
Very helpful for beginners. Kudos- you have saved some folks from dumb mistakes (I wish I’d seen something like this back in the day. You are doing good work here.
I hate how people are taught "10 and 2" total bullshit. I've always driven like this. But, sometimes, last moment I'm scrambling to make a turn cause that position doesn't always work for certain turns. That slide technique is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! Such a simple trick makes a huge difference.
I am from willows california born and raised, my friends father works for HOD (Hooked on driving), i can infact say that turn is very sharp, due to taking ride alongs during events with hod, this is the best position for hand placement, any and all drivers should use this hand placement, weither it be road or track, it is the safest, and allows you the best reaction times to make corrections in over steer or under steer situations
Highly recommend against crossing your arms. That is one of the easiest ways to loose control in an extreme counter steer or avoiding a hazard on the track. Try the 6 & 12 method instead. Example: in a 90 degree left hand turn situation, slide left hand to 12 position on wheel before entering the corner. The right hand will meet the left hand at the 6 position mid turn (depending on rack speed). While exiting the turn the left hand slides from the 12 as wheel returns to center and returns to original 9 while the right hand returns to the 3. This technique is safer and much more effective on the track once comfortable with the steering. Just try not to cross that 6 or 12 position with either hand. Slide and meet them at the 6 or 12.
Again SeanS54 Great video. I learned what I will need in the near future. Good stuff. I didn't know about the turn signals in rain for sure. I would have messed up if I went on track before this.
Weird to see point-by with turn indicators reverse to what i see on tracks here in Europe or on public roads. Imho right turn indicator should tell "i'll keep on right", pass me on the left and vice versa. Just like on public roads, right turn - i'll soon turn right, pass me. Even lorries often indicate this way, when their drivers want to tell traffic behind, that it's safe to overtake them, right indicator = "i'll keep on right side"+it's safe to overtake (if on straight without junctions), left - "i may soon turn left", "don't pass me on left", "it's unsafe to pass me on left now", or on track, same way, "i'll keep on left" (so obviously pass me on the right).
same opinion here. for me, logical and natural is to blink to the side when i'll stay - track or public road, it's same. youtube is full of onboard videos from trackdays, everyone can see how it is in practice ;-)
I agree with everything Sean said except the car signal in the rain. The signal indicates where Sean will be going. BMW signal right, passing car to the left.
What are you supposed to do when you need to make a big correction after you messed up, or a quick series of slow opposite turns require more than 360 degree range of your hands glued to the wheel and you can't offset your grip enough before you get there? Hand to hand? Hand over hand?
Would you say this method of steering is more appropriate on track than normal roads? Say i want to have some fun on a quiet country road, would this method of steering be appropiate? My concern is, on bends you cant see around would you have time to quickly adjust with your hands in the 9 and 3 position? Thanks
Hi Marty, yes I believe the 9 and 3 position "glued" to the steering wheel is the best hand position overall. I've driven on track with very tight U turns and was able to make the turn without shuffling my hands. If the turn is too tight, you can slide your hands on the steering wheel before the turn to give you more radius, see 1:27. If you're not familiar with the track/back road I suggest doing a few slower laps first. I think people run into trouble on unfamiliar roads because they couldn't see/know what's around the bend.
Shuffle steering is common place in drifting, hand over hand is really bad when trying to drift, you'll often see new drifters do hand over hand and as they get better they do it less and less.
Check local track organizers in your area. Track days around here range from $150-$350 with the average being around $250. It's an all day event with 5 x 20 minute sessions. You definitely get your money's worth. You get to really learn how to drive your car at or near the limit, test your modifications, and have fun.
Look up your local race track on the Internet then give them a call. They'd love to have you there. But it usually costs a lot more than the entry price. Your brake fluid should be replaced after each track day, your tires won't last long, and your road insurance won't cover you if you have an accident at the track. If you're doing more than a couple of track days a year, it's probably cheaper to buy a dedicated (cheap) track car.
When you're hands are crossed you probably braking and turning, not going straight into a wall. First of all don't crash, LOL but if you are then do whatever it takes to protect yourself.
Hi when you are driving thats a bad idea crossing over you arms i know it feels like you have to but in reality if you have a crash while going around a corner your gonna break your arm's no hate
Don't shuffle steer, shows some random crap that is awful and not how you should shuffle then later you show you can shuffle if you need to do a really tight turn.
Thank you, now I drive like this on the street (steering part). It's crazy How I don't need to shuffle or even slide my hands for demanding turns or corners.
@Soldagg Yes. Update everyone! I do hand over hand now. at 9-3.It's the best between having control and being safe. This is old! You also have the risk of locking completely and not being able to steer more unless you release everything. What people should retain here is: Keep two hands on the wheel for better control. Also, I hate the shuffle method.
This is what my driving teacher taught me at my driving school - very useful for easy steering and car control (car won’t wobble from side to side). He called it “hand over hand” technique. Learn it, practice it and make it a daily HABIT when driving!
A simple tutorial in under 3 minutes! Thank you! In my case I took a high performance driving class and the instructors never covered the proper way to steer. Part of the class included an Autocross race and the steering techniques you show would have definitely improved my lap times!
When I search for “proper steering wheel hand positions” to send to a friend, and find a fellow E46 tracker. Awesome.
Good habits makes safer driving!!! thanks
Truth. Thanks!
Facts. 👍🏿
really underrated video. so much useful knowledge without any fluff in under 2.5 minutes!
Very helpful for beginners. Kudos- you have saved some folks from dumb mistakes (I wish I’d seen something like this back in the day. You are doing good work here.
I hate how people are taught "10 and 2" total bullshit. I've always driven like this. But, sometimes, last moment I'm scrambling to make a turn cause that position doesn't always work for certain turns. That slide technique is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! Such a simple trick makes a huge difference.
People arnt taught 10-2 anymore
Well, it's not BS. IT's worked well for my accident free driving for nearly 50 years.
Really handy vid. Needed it for my sim racing. No one covers hand postion on wheels, thanks. Now to find a vid on pedal positon
I am from willows california born and raised, my friends father works for HOD (Hooked on driving), i can infact say that turn is very sharp, due to taking ride alongs during events with hod, this is the best position for hand placement, any and all drivers should use this hand placement, weither it be road or track, it is the safest, and allows you the best reaction times to make corrections in over steer or under steer situations
Highly recommend against crossing your arms. That is one of the easiest ways to loose control in an extreme counter steer or avoiding a hazard on the track. Try the 6 & 12 method instead. Example: in a 90 degree left hand turn situation, slide left hand to 12 position on wheel before entering the corner. The right hand will meet the left hand at the 6 position mid turn (depending on rack speed). While exiting the turn the left hand slides from the 12 as wheel returns to center and returns to original 9 while the right hand returns to the 3. This technique is safer and much more effective on the track once comfortable with the steering. Just try not to cross that 6 or 12 position with either hand. Slide and meet them at the 6 or 12.
You deserve more likes and views for this video great stuff thank you for the lesson
Never seen BMW guy using turn signals
Never seen an asian with freckles before
Chris Chann has freckles
1:13 what if I'm catching a slide and need to turn even more? Or the car has steering with more rotations needed?
Again SeanS54 Great video. I learned what I will need in the near future. Good stuff. I didn't know about the turn signals in rain for sure. I would have messed up if I went on track before this.
Sweet! Glad to help Greg.
Weird to see point-by with turn indicators reverse to what i see on tracks here in Europe or on public roads. Imho right turn indicator should tell "i'll keep on right", pass me on the left and vice versa. Just like on public roads, right turn - i'll soon turn right, pass me. Even lorries often indicate this way, when their drivers want to tell traffic behind, that it's safe to overtake them, right indicator = "i'll keep on right side"+it's safe to overtake (if on straight without junctions), left - "i may soon turn left", "don't pass me on left", "it's unsafe to pass me on left now", or on track, same way, "i'll keep on left" (so obviously pass me on the right).
same opinion here. for me, logical and natural is to blink to the side when i'll stay - track or public road, it's same. youtube is full of onboard videos from trackdays, everyone can see how it is in practice ;-)
Was thinking the same, blinking like in this video seems counter intuitive.
I agree with everything Sean said except the car signal in the rain. The signal indicates where Sean will be going. BMW signal right, passing car to the left.
I started using the sliding method when in roundabouts and thought I just got a bad habit but turns out it's OK
Omg.. instinctively i do it this way also..
Thankfully i don't need to change.much..
Would you recommend using this steering method on the street as well? It seems much better than the 'shuffle'
Nice and very informative video!
Thanks!
i sure enjoyed this video too! th-cam.com/video/14esGOOr5i8/w-d-xo.html
What are you supposed to do when you need to make a big correction after you messed up, or a quick series of slow opposite turns require more than 360 degree range of your hands glued to the wheel and you can't offset your grip enough before you get there? Hand to hand? Hand over hand?
Thanks for the Vid, very cool.
You're welcome Matt!
Would you say this method of steering is more appropriate on track than normal roads? Say i want to have some fun on a quiet country road, would this method of steering be appropiate? My concern is, on bends you cant see around would you have time to quickly adjust with your hands in the 9 and 3 position?
Thanks
Hi Marty, yes I believe the 9 and 3 position "glued" to the steering wheel is the best hand position overall. I've driven on track with very tight U turns and was able to make the turn without shuffling my hands. If the turn is too tight, you can slide your hands on the steering wheel before the turn to give you more radius, see 1:27.
If you're not familiar with the track/back road I suggest doing a few slower laps first. I think people run into trouble on unfamiliar roads because they couldn't see/know what's around the bend.
SeanS54 thankyou for the informative reply. SUBSCRIBED! :)
I see your thumbs are out in a couple of scenes, is this ok in rally or racing?
do you recommend shifting with your middle or index finger?
What about steering technique for drifting? their hands move really fast, and I lost sense of the center of steering wheel trying to do it
found the video that teach me what I just talk about. /watch?v=q_GMQFGR3ec. May you take a look if its the best technique?
Shuffle steering is common place in drifting, hand over hand is really bad when trying to drift, you'll often see new drifters do hand over hand and as they get better they do it less and less.
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What are options for getting started in track days? How much does it usually cost to get in?
Check local track organizers in your area. Track days around here range from $150-$350 with the average being around $250. It's an all day event with 5 x 20 minute sessions. You definitely get your money's worth. You get to really learn how to drive your car at or near the limit, test your modifications, and have fun.
Look up your local race track on the Internet then give them a call. They'd love to have you there. But it usually costs a lot more than the entry price. Your brake fluid should be replaced after each track day, your tires won't last long, and your road insurance won't cover you if you have an accident at the track. If you're doing more than a couple of track days a year, it's probably cheaper to buy a dedicated (cheap) track car.
I really don’t know how 9 and 3 isn’t common sense for people, I’ve driven like that since I first stepped in a John Deere gator at the age of 12 haha
It isn't common sense. It gives you poorer leverage on the wheel compared to10-2.
@@KB4QAA I disagree but it’s not like we’re far off man lol if anything we’re both right
Thank you!
What if you crash and your hands are all crossed up like that
When you're hands are crossed you probably braking and turning, not going straight into a wall. First of all don't crash, LOL but if you are then do whatever it takes to protect yourself.
lots of racing wheels dont have airbags so you dont have to worry about blowing your arms off
You don't use airbags with a helmet and roll cage, it's dangerous.
Why does your car have a stick and paddles
Hi when you are driving thats a bad idea crossing over you arms i know it feels like you have to but in reality if you have a crash while going around a corner your gonna break your arm's no hate
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Crashing kinda comes with the sport. Same reason they don't have airbags but do have a helmet on, special harnesses and roll cages equipped.
Don't shuffle steer, shows some random crap that is awful and not how you should shuffle then later you show you can shuffle if you need to do a really tight turn.
Never let your steering wheel go with both hands! Replace one hand THEN the other.
I was told to never do this because an airbag going off against crossed arms would break them
Race cars don't have airbags.