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I'm a HDrive guy with about 6,000 titles and use some of the better (older) BluRay Players. I have external DAC (a nice one in an ADCOM) and the BluRay is connected to my T.V. so I can pick and choose what I want.... it's not perfect, but most of the players I get are USED and typically under $5. BUT... I'm always looking for more RECENT Players as my Digital Files are 24/96 - 24/192 FLAC and the older BluRay the less likely they can read the files (on th downside.)
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181K subscribers!!! Congrats man! Definitely the fastest growing audio channel. Even though my gear is pretty high-end… I still enjoy the content. Would love if you reviewed external VU meters.
He has man, Douk VU3. Check it out...
I have been looking for a product EXACTLY like this but nobody makes it. The only option is a portable device but the screen is so tiny. I am so glad this product was developed! Thanks for the review, CAM.
👍Thanks for the honest review! Maybe I'm an old fashioned person. I really enjoy my high quality digital music. This device really makes a difference to me, after all it's been a long time since a company has made an innovative product specifically for people like us.
I don't stream music much but when I do I use the Aiyma T9 hooked into the Aux of my vintage pioneer. It works with a PC connected & BT. Occasionally I'll also use the optical in off the TV as well. The only thing I can see that this offers is being able to use an SD card. What I'm personally looking forward to getting is an eversolo DMP A6 sometime in the future.
I might have been into this 10 years ago when still dealing with lots of local files. Now I either use Tidal and TH-cam, or my turntable.
My VW has an SD card slot for digital music, so the principal is familiar, but that's one of the last built of a car launched about a decade ago.
👍I’m with you on this one, Randy. it’s like come on guys, anybody who isn’t using any streaming as a tool by now, I say wow! And, I’ll tell you what, if I lose wi-fi, I have plenty of CDs, vinyl, and tapes to listen to, and I can still play my digital files through some of my equipment anyway, without that box. 👨🏻
THank you! I have had my eye on this for a long time think it has Dual ESS Dacs great if listening to DSD. Price went up recently too so now there is better cheaper options . I cant find the perfect solution so thought of making my own streamer plenty of boards online.
Take everything in every combination we can think of, throw it out and see what sticks. Thanks for the review!
This product is for me as I collect FLAC files as not fond of streaming platforms.
Aune X5 or Musician Audio MDP-2 or SMSL SD-9
I don't use streaming services - TH-cam aside - and I also have a large collection of CD rips.
However I find the flexibility of a couple of WiiM devices and a NAS to be superior to any other solution that allows me to own my music and not have to worry about an ISP that most certainly doesn't worry about customer support and reliable service(!)
That's exactly what I do on my Oppo 205. On a lightning quick 4TB Samsung T7 SSD drive, I load up all my meticulously cultivated SACD /DVD-Audio ISO files and play them directly off the USB drive. It may forgo the "pretty menus and cataloging"...but it sure sounds a whole lot better than over the network.
By the way, most volume controls if they can't be expressly bypassed, effectively work that way by turning them all the way up to 100%. The way the Eversolo A8 does it. Give that a try and see how it sounds.
A Hi-Res, multiple file type media player with remote control is very handy, and perfect to fill a spare pair of preamp or integrated amp RCA inputs.
$200 might hold it back.
Discounted, I think it could do quite well, and that includes me.
Hey Randy, I have that same Lightening cable coffee stirrer stick, but it's the "pure audiophile" version. Sold six to a box for $399. I think my coffee sounds better. It suppresses the slurping sounds!
I would absolutely use this at work. Roon Arc is my current solution but it’s hella clunky and will stop playing music sometimes. I want a dedicated something that only plays music that won’t crash. I’ve been considering the Aune X5S at $350, but this could work.
My music always works it’s called albums & CDs
Until the transport mech gives out on the CD player and replacements are no longer available.
In my case it was a lack of CDs available without importing and being mugged on shipping, import duty, then 20% UK VAT and a ridiculous Royal Mail processing fee that rivals the cost of the CD itself before shipping and tax.
Prior to leaving the EU I could buy a CD with free shipping from a big Swiss seller for £7 - £10 with no extra charges.
I have a setup that works like this but for less, Raspberry Pie Zero W 2, running Volumio, into a $20 dac shim from pimoroni and into my Fosi TB10D and out to my bookshelf speakers. You can store a lot of music on your MicroSD or use NAS or a whole slew of streaming options. It does take a little fiddling with the config file to get the DAC to work. Another option is to use any DAC you have that can take a USB input.
I think that the ultimate streamer is your PC or phone. Anything else is for old folks ( Kinda like yourself 🤫) who need to have a seperate device for a specific use.
The Douk speaker switcher with the VU meters is the VU3 model. The VU2 is the line switcher. Don't get the dark meter background one as you cant see the red needle from more than 3 feet away.
The reason for a player like this lies in a puristic trait of audiophile psychology: As far as I am concerned, (and there are others like me) I tend to eliminate any potentially problematic element in my reproduction chain. For instance I have eliminated the crossover and almost elinated the interconnects. I do use an old WAV player directly connected to a NOS dac, so, although I am limited at 44/16, I have proudly(!) eliminated the PC/USB cable, server and all internet connections or the CD transport mechanism, since I use SD cards loaded with 44/16 WAV files. I can asure any audiophile about the benefits of shortening/simplifying the signal path, but I am pretty sure that, at least the true ones, are already convinced and intrigued. So, yes I'd welcome a product like this if it were to take me to the next level, the level of "hi-res" music files, with some very welcomed pluses of convenience. So, what I'd wish to know (and I don't see in this review) is the quality of the internal dac (it does not have a USB output and I recon it as a small minus, especially for DSD playback) the convenience of file-surfing (especially with, big external HDs) and the quality of the "preamp". At least we should have been informed about its performance compared to streamed (via cabled internet) identical content: Does it out-perform a regular streamer, as expected? Also, does it outperform a classic PC/USB cable to external dac(of similar or half the price) set? I hope these questions will be answered, in the end.
The use of an SD card may be inconvenient enough to gather interest from the vinyl crowd.
Ouch! And I don't even own vinyl. In all fairness to those who do wrangle records, there's lots of digestible material on album covers and liners that can enhance a listening session. I'm old enough to have amassed a giant record collection, but don't have one. I admire those who have And all the more so if they moved many times over the decades! At my age, my hearing probably wouldn't detect sound differences of vinyl versus streaming services or CDs. I'd hear pops and crackles, but I have plenty of those already from my knees and other joints!
What are the communities thoughts on the fiio k5 pro as a dac into a stereo receiver. The price point is on par with some of the better budget DACs
Is it possible to just use this as a usb dac or usb to spidf transporter from a computer or a Raspberry Pi?
At $99 dollars, this product would be awesome.... I want the ability to play local .FLAC files from USB and Wiim doens't have that ability. It's a no go at $200
Wait. Wiim CAN'T play flac at all, or just can't play them from local USB storage?
@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit my wiim pro plays FLAC just fine just not from a usb
@@mattjones7547 Ok, thanks. Thats kinda weird. A file type is a file type, the source shouldn't matter.
@@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit Wimm plays flac via DLNA, It just doesn't have a USB port for local files
@Joseph Ward Oh, ok, thank you. Apparently I misunderstood. It simply doesn't have a USB port that it can play anything from, period. I thought it odd that it would discriminate against flac files.
I’ve followed you since the beginning, and I totally get that you’re now making a living from this. BUT you’ve gotten click baity, less grouchy (😂), and less cheap…audio…mannish.
Yes this is perfect for 10 years ago. The one thing that drives me nuts about streaming is the audio levels between tracks on an album. They are not consistent. 3 to 5 db difference from track to track. Tidal, Amazon. I'm sure every service does it. Try out the Dio album Holy Diver. You'll see. And when you have it cranked (80 db ish) you could fry your speakers. So this still might be an alternative. ?? Thanks for the video Randy 🤘🤘🤘
Yeah, you tube drives me nuts too with inconsistent volume levels, surprised they haven’t regulated the volume pre up load yet…
I think Spotify has a setting that normalizes the volume of all the songs. The other ones probably do as well but I'm not sure.
If this thing had the thumb stick slot on the front it'd be better. I could imagine having a thumbstick per main playlist that I use and dropping my spotify sub ;)
I like my audio stack being on my side table within reach and only my speakers and amp across the room.
I like the new Cambridge Audio MXN10 Music Streamer sounds good
is there a maximum sd card size?
Ok.there’s gonna be someone out there who has a specific use for this …
I went with the Wiim Pro and a Topping E50 DAC …feeding an Xduoo 694 running my Sen’s 650.
Great review ☕️🍕👍
Great for people with no access to wifi. Reminds me of the early 2000 iPod era. Load up an go.
there are still audio enthusiast that use sd card to contain their library, including me. i use dap to listening with my cans, although my dap is android & capable to stream, but i don't use them often, i reather play offline. and there still daps that cost over $3k that don't stream or have android, look at luxury & precision or lotoo products, and yess especially in eastern continent they still some buy them for the sake of their ears
That was a really clickbait-y and misleading title
"...kinda confusing why this product exists"
I agree, and that about sums it up.
I would never bother messing with an SD card but I have a couple of external hard drives loaded with high res music and a simple solution (read box with USB inputs and some variety of access algorithms like random or folder etc.) would be fantastic.
I didn't want to get StuxNet on my computer... 😅😂 Good man!
I prefer to own my music rather than rent it and so I'm one of those 'rare' birds where streaming isn't what I'm looking for.
What about EverSolo A6? Have you tried that?
For those who are listening in an area without internet/wifi (perhaps on a boat, in a cottage, or live in a rural area.) Alternatively, someone wants a backup way of playing their digital music? I don't store music digitally, so not necessary in my case.
What is odd to me is that WiiM doesn’t have a USB port (or SD card slot) from which music files can be selected and played.
You know that phrase “stay in your lane”? I think that’s what wiim’s doing. It’s a streamer. That’s what it want to do, that’s what it does well, and that’s it. It seems like pretty much everything else has a USB port, and often times a card slot, as well. Wiim doesn’t need to go there.
@@SyzygyNoon Perhaps, but streaming and playing locally sourced are not really different lanes. From a technical and software standpoint there is virtually no difference between playing audio from a local file or what is identical information streaming from a network connection. Player software like Roon, Adrivāna, and Volumio all do just that. Even Wiim already does this is a limited way when it provides audio for testing the DAC connection. As you indicate, the issue may only be the absence of USB hardware on current Wiim devices.
@@SteveWille Fair enough.
Great job as usual. Honest review. When I see it I think of IPod 2005.
Can someone from Douk Audio tell us which external hard drives work with the C100. I've tried several without any luck. Thanks in advance.
Randy definitely for the Minority! What we are waiting for is a Wiim that displays album art on a nice screen! That will sell like hot cakes for sure ! Get on it Wiim !!!!!!
I do like the Douk speaker/amp switcher the VU's are cool and it's so much fun switching between my bookshelves and floor standers as well going between Valve and Solid state amp with a click of a button.
If there was only a way to get analog output from an analog input. Maybe storing something on a disk, and then using a small rock to gather the information through the magic of magnets that would create a signal. That signal could then go to the amplification of choice. I’m just spitballing here. This needs more time for development.
I don't subscribe to streaming services and I won't give up my DAP so I should be the target for a product this, but you're absolutely correct: the price isn't right. A small desktop player with fun meters (and maybe a red, yellow, or amber led display instead of that tired blue) sounds cool, but add in the cost of a hard drive/high capacity SD card and a headphone amp and.... nah, Jellyfin sends bit-perfect audio to my AVRs without any hiccups thanks to money I've already spent.
Looks like it could act as a cool tie in for ones tv, for sound bar alternatives. But, yeah… it’s a little late to the party in these parts.
This product is a failed attempt or as we say in German: "a shot in the oven" 😂
This could sell @ Microcenter
I hope this isnt a reference to what i think it is
That's one saying you probably don't need to keep alive.
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A small Roku TV will play flac files from a thumb drive plus have streaming apps for less. Unless it's an awesome DAC, it doesn't make much sense.
It's like Douk's version of the IPod.... Sure streaming is good... but if you need rock-solid reliability and you have a fairly large assortment of music on a HD... then probably.
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I noted that HiBy now has a “dock” for a couple of their digital audio players (DAPs). The player plus dock will cost more than this Douk. I’ve got audio files from out of print vinyl that keeps me thinking about the possible happiness from SD based players, but so far I’m hearing that’s my obsession whispering, not a true desire speaking.
My Wiim mini failed to red led after 2 weeks and bricked and looking around found Aiyima have released a similar product which I almost purchased until I found out it was a stagnant unit in regards to streaming, non stream! Similar to this but I think the Aiyima version might be slightly better but still non stream which is a bit of a bummer.
@Cheapaudioman-_ I think the Aiyima version is cheaper...the DP01...around the $100 mark.
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Lightning or type C?
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Smsl also have that kind of devices ,been using it since pre pandemic
@Cheapaudioman-_ hi randy i owned two smsl dp3 n dp5 both function like your douk audio sans vu meter ,i can insert a flash drive store with dsd and flac files and play it using hiby software and using my musical fidelity dac , btw i am an avid fan of stream and bought all my aiyima n fosi audio amp as per your reco , more power
Seems like so many cheap amp/dac combos add sd card music playback as a feature to pad their stats when music navigation is impossible beyond forward/back/shuffle. This seems to at least take a step forward to "bare minimum navigation" but for $200? At least put the OLED screen to good use and have an option to display the album art when playing like any other dedicated DAP.
You should put this up against the Auris Audifi that also costs $199.
This function is often included in a streamer, as you mentioned, to play stored digital files from a NAS and/or a USB drive. And you can do this with a computer, obviously. I think if you set the volume to maximum, then you would get full resolution.
What is the navigation of the files like? I would imagine that if you had a lot of music in a lot of folders - it could get a bit cumbersome to find what you want to play?
This product would be for me if I didn't already have the Topping M50, which is basically the same, just without VU meters, DAC or volume control.
I have a WiiM mini, but don't like that it needs a phone to display/control. And NAS playback isn't great on it: Too many clicks/taps needed
I wish the WiiM Pro had a display. I'm currently using the WiiM Pro as a preamp, and switch through it - but my family isn't a fan of the app, so switching between inputs is kind of a roll of the dice for them.
I wish Linkplay would get the Pro to the same functional level as the Mini.
They still haven't fixed the track order bug when playing files from a NAS device.
Give me a streamer that does TH-cam MUSIC.
Does literally anyone use USB or SD card inputs on these
The Heos HS2 Link is a better option that combines what Wiim Pro and this device does.
The strangest thing is this usually a throw in feature on other devices. I cant understand how they justify the price tag for a product with such a narrow scope.
Randy! You look like a man who would benefit from using the song - Stitches by Orgy - as a test material! Yes sir! I believe so!
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I don't know, seems useless. Still like my Grace Digital Link bought on sale for $159 over 3 years ago. Still works perfectly, never an issue, just streams my music and has a nice screen that shows cover art. All I will ever need really. Oh, and can integrate into any existing hifi system.
Well... it makes more sense than a CD player in today's world. Streaming quality isn't the best... it's generally worse than CD Quality. I do use HD Tracks a little here and there.... I wish this didn't have volume control. I love the douk speaker switchers etc.
Do you have any idea when this company will actually sell a true streamer at a reasonable price?
This is a digital Transport like ones from Aune Audio.
No internet: Use camping, mtn cabin, boat in middle of ocean?
The Count! I like it
I like the concept, but not at that price. The Wiim Pro should have a USB input on it.
I think Linkplay omitted USB data transfer because either they wanted to keep the design as similar to the Mini for cost or reasons of power, since they supply a cheap mobile phone charger for a power supply.
Given the cost is roughly double of the Mini and the popularity of using USB connection for DACs, I do consider that to be something the PRO should have.
No I could talk about VU meters!
5:47 _"there is no wireless technology in here at all."_
Well, I suppose that's my cue to leave...
why do you have two identical videos?
8:08 Everybody hates on digital volume controls, but the fact is they're just fine. Yes, they give up resolution, but all volume controls do that. When you turn the volume down - by any means - the lower levels of the music disappear into the noise of the system, or into the noise of the environment where you're listening, or into the sub-0dBA SPL region where you can't hear anything. So, you see, digital volume controls don't actually hurt anything. Unless you're recording the output, in which case, yes, you want to avoid digital (or analog) volume controls.
On the other hand, ideally, the volume control should be placed as close to the end of the system chain as possible in any given system. This way, you get the best possible signal-to-noise ratio.
I have about 3,000 CD's ripped to a 4TB hard drive (I have a back up). I have it hooked to my PC, output to a Cambridge DACMagic 100, out to my Pioneer receiver. I use iTunes as an interface and have an iTunes remote control app on my phone. I use this setup in my "man cave".
What I need is something like a WIIM that has Airplay but with a quality DAC built into it so I can stream my personal library on my living room stereo.
I could get a WIIM and a separate DAC, but I really prefer a one piece solution. If I start chaining gadgets together in the living room, the wife will not be pleased. And if she ain't happy...
WIIM is working on a new model with a good DAC in it. Will be announced at the end of the year probably
@@D1N02
Thank you for the heads up. I was hoping WIIM would do this. I will definitely buy this.
Well the Mini is small enough to hide!
You should be able to make your music drive sharable through your home network and treat it like a NAS enclosure.
Alternatively, a dedicated NAS setup to backup files onto a second drive is probably a better solution, albeit a more expensive one.
The inbuilt DAC of the WiiM is perfectly usable.
No, it's not great and there are better DACs for not a lot of money that can make good use of the WiiM's bit perfect S/PDIF output, but it's not what you could call bad when you take the price of a Mini into account.
@@pauln6803 I am currently using Plex through Roku to listen to music in the living room, but then my screen has to be on the Plex app. I would like to be able to have sports on the TV while I am pumping music through the stereo. I'll be patient and wait for this new WiiM with the improved DAC. From what I have seen the WiiM app is pretty sweet.
Thank you for the reply and the suggestions. 🍻
I'm old but people forget about the first streamer, and that was the Apple Airport express. You could extend your network, Had a builtin DAC 16/44, either optical or 1/8 jack. Place it near your home amp or reciver, also it allowed you to hokup a printer to it for wiless printing ( back when printers didn't have wirless capability). It would work on windows too. itunes would allow you to play wave files as well for full CD quality.
Vu meters are best look in hi-fi.
They use hiby software to play the files
In the late 90's I was working with a friend who owned an audiophile record label and we built a prototype component digital audio player that used a (then internal - the dominant external drive was probably SCSI at the time) HDD to store MP3 and WAV music and play it out a high end signal path (we stole a lot of parts from audiophile CD players at the time). It was really cool, sounded awesome and a fun project that blew people away when they saw it (playing audiophile digital music without a computer - Whaaa???) but it never made sense to build it financially. We've come a long way.
If it is not at all a streamer, why clickbait the title like that?
What's the point of the device?
@Cheapaudioman-_ The WiiM Pro introduced here a while back is a much more versatile streamer. Wish it came out before I bought and built all the streamers I have. I just bought the remote recently. Now it is even more convenient to voice control it to play Spotify, Amazon music, etc. Too bad Alexa cannot voice control Qobuz which is what I subscribe to.
Is it better than the Wiim Pro ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If it don't put kettle on its no good
I don't even own a computer anymore.. well, except the little one in my hand. Yeah, a product that means zero to me. Interesting product though I haven't a clue why
This would’ve been very cool before streaming existed
While I can see some use for this $200 for what it does is like $100 too much.
Decent little box. I like it because I play almost ALL of my music via digital files ripped from CD's that I own. I rarely if ever stream because of the pitiful royalties paid to artists by streaming services.
No idea why anyone would make that product. I'm very confused after watching this.
Thats like 10 years ago you played music from sd/usb. Guess they missed the train.....
I have a hard time justifying the price on many streamers. They are not a technically advanced device nor is the Screen. The OS is open source.
What, Did I hear, Randy don't listen to CD's, this may change the relevance of these reviews!!
This isn’t a streamer if it doesn’t have networking.
I'm a teacher, and my students make fun of me for still using Pandora.
Hey Randy I just have to say.. you get what you pay for which isn't much when it comes to streaming there are only two services which are always above the table and never below the table and that is in my experience Amazon music p and I think the company's name is tidal. Very very very seldom do I have ever problem with each enemy because I am so close to the origin Aiden Tower did I would never have to worry about it I know a lot of people have problems with all sorts of streaming services in the reason being is there living in areas where AT&t who is the mother of all communications Giants in the United States refuses to invest any money in re broadcasting towers.. because the only way they're going to build in a place is where the incomes are above 5 * the and they have more than 60% of their population owning their homes rather than and that's the truth.. believe it
If this thing was really a streamer, I'd be all over it (imagine a Logitech Squeezebox Touch with VU meters)!!! Folks can listen to their music however they want, but this unit is not for me. However, now I really wish they would come out with a streamer version of that unit!
I have tons of CDs and vinyl to listen to, so this particular unit is of no use to me.
Perfect for the few people who still listen like it's 2004. For the rest of us, its just something to ignore.
You mean 1996?
Yes, good point!
Would’ve been nice to know what this DOESN’T do as a “streamer”, before I got halfway through the video….