While there is some truth to the adage that offense is not given; it is only taken, I also think it fair to say that if you calculatedly plan a routine around jokes that a lot of people are likely to take offense at, then that routine can be said to be offensive.. Jimmy Carr is fully aware that people will take offense. Therefore, I think it fair to label such routines as offensive. This does not mean they should be banned or "cancelled", but if we deny that they are offensive, i think that we are being disingenuous.
@@malcolmrowe9003 The flaw in your argument is where you say "... if you calculatedly plan a routine around jokes that a lot of people are likely to take offense at, then that routine can be said to be offensive." There is no logic in that statement. You need to be able to demonstrate that a lot of people will take offence at the jokes. There is no evidence that that is the case, in fact the evidence is to the exact opposite as the audience is there because of the jokes Jimmy tells; so if they were going to be offended by them then they wouldn't have come to the show in the first place. Therefore your assertion that 'a lot of people are likely to take offense' doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
@@malcolmrowe9003 knowing someone is going to take offence is in no way the same as causing offense, especially if fair warning of a controversial subject is going to be referred to. it still takes a someone to take offense which in these situations is a case of self infliction. of course this only applies to advertized public displays, of course personal interactions are the difference here, as that can be a place were actual intentional offence can be given in an attempt to cause mental and emotional anguish on purpose. a large portion of comedic material is based on subjects that others would find some personal inference that they would be offended at but that as stated is not the intention. i would not call these offensive, but could be labeled as just controversial at best. offense is a term that directly implies personal attack not a generic proposition of statements for comedic value. 😉
A priest, a Rabbi and an Iman are walking through the forest when they are seen by a hungry bear. The three can not outrun the bear so they climb a tree. The hungry bear curls up at the base of the tree, salivating with anticipation. The Rabbi tells the others they should all join in prayer and that they should prey to God to make the bear a Christian. So they pray, and they beseech God and to their amazement they watch as the bear gets onto it's knees, then as the bear pushes it's paws together and starts to prey: "Thank you God for the food I am about to receive".
I recommend you react to George Carlin's "Religion is BS"!! Neither Jimmy Carr nor Gorge Carlin are specifically talking about the Christian religion. They both mean any religion that still exists.
The thing is that some cultures are able to distinguish and compartmentalise humour from genuine insult, so generally speaking one doesn't "take things the wrong way". Naturally there will be differences of opinion in where a line might be drawn between the two, but the grey area between them is regularly investigated. What one can "get away with" moves around from generation to generation.
Not entirely, if a person says something they know will offend it's their own fault because they're the only ones with control over what they say, and you know personal responsibility, someone crying "but meh free speech!" after insulting someone and them getting punched is their own damn fault. Pushing it onto someone else is the equivalent of a child blaming someone they punched for being in the way of their fist "It's their fault they didn't move away in time, wah wah wah", "It's their fault they were hurt by something i chose to say, i shouldn't have to deal with the consequences of my own actions wah wah wah".
@@sacredgeometry you could supply a counter argument instead of "no" because it really does sound like you're a stubborn 5 year old whose been told to go to bed. I've got multiple countries libel laws, hate speech laws, the US not having actual free speech, only freedom from governmental censorship, you have?
@@MrTrilbe "if a person says something they know will offend it's their own fault" As opposed to? This is a non point its meaningless and irrelevant. "because they're the only ones with control over what they say, and you know personal responsibility, someone crying "but meh free speech!" after insulting someone and them getting punched is their own damn fault. " Just like the person is responsible for their speech the other person is responsible for their reaction to the speech and the punching. You cant just throw their autonomy and responsibility out. "Pushing it onto someone else is the equivalent of a child blaming someone they punched for being in the way of their fist "It's their fault they didn't move away in time, wah wah wah", "It's their fault they were hurt by something i chose to say, i shouldn't have to deal with the consequences of my own actions wah wah wah"." Oh the irony.
Comedy is oddly a place where people can discuss serious topics that the news, politicians, and others seem to ignore. The Catholic Church and what they did with shuffling priests around so the abuse could keep happening was insane with how they were not held accountable as anyone else would've been. Comedy in a way on such topics has become a part of oral storytelling that will be passed down generations. No matter how much people try and hide the truths within.
I wonder if you guys have come across an Indian film called “PK”. It's a comedy scifi film about an alien that gets stranded on earth and, while finding a way home, is bemused by some of the religious beliefs the humans have.
I think it's less about Christians being able to take a joke and more about certain cultures that consider nothing to be off limits with comedy. You do also have countries with militant Christians as you do any other religion
We love to laugh at religion because when you step back and look at it, religion is a bit ridiculous in many ways! Organised religion can be great in parts of course, but there are so many ludicrous facets of it that you either have to laugh or cry Plus there are thankfully more (rational) people in Britain who do NOT believe in a god than who DO believe one exists.
“Organised” religion is no different to any other form of dictatorship! They all have one agenda…….control of how people live their lives! Control of thought, speech, actions, morals, behaviour!
Britain isn't a very religious country. Those that are, can usually take a joke. Although many Muslims don't like humour about their religion as they find it offensive.
That couple are laughing, but, from their style of speaking, I’m thinking they are not fluent in English, and are missing some of the nuances in the clip! But they’re trying!
Hindus before the British arrived to enjoy a nice cup of tea found that once a married man dies his wife is tied to a stake and burnt alive , not sure if it still happens in villages , but that was the case in them times that the woman was burnt alive . So the British army went to thoes men who burn the women alive and either hanged them or put them in fornt of a cannon and fired the cannon . You see religion has its own rules when it cam to give punishment to innocent people , but yet behond walls were up to no good themselves . You do not need religion to show how you can have morals but at the same time protect your children and give them the skills to be good to others .
10 minutes of Jimmy Carr roasting Christianity is a better title haha. I wouldve loved to hear some other religions but i guess Jimmy doesnt have a spine.
He knows about Christianity, so he tells jokes about Christianity. Going after religions that you have to go read up on and then pick holes in isn’t observational comedy. His audience is also largely from a Christian background, so the jokes are easy to follow. So he could go after Zoroastrians and Buddhists, but it may lose the audience.
@@sameebah Same answer - if the religion cannot demonstrate it’s God(s) exist, then belief in that religion is irrational and this should be pointed out. I certainly agree one should be careful not to personally attack the believer, but attacking the belief is not just acceptable, but could be considered a duty if someone is publicly declaring their religious beliefs.
Very telling that you laughed at the christian jokes but were adamant how you'd not tolerate joking about your religion. You smile and laugh but are actually good people?
A Muslim, a Buddhist and a Catholic argued about which god was real. They decided to jump off the cliff and call on the name of their god. The one whose follower survives will be true. A Muslim jumped: -Allahu Akbaaar!! Allahu Akbaaar!! - BOOM!!!! Death on the spot. The Buddhist jumped after him. - Ommmm Buddha Buddha Buddha Buddha....Ommmmm and landed softly, safe and sound. The Catholic took momentum and jumped. -Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ! BUDDHA BUDDHA BUDDHAAAAAA!!!!!!
The frock is the name of the uniform that the priest wears to show he is a priest. So the joke was he was defrocked for exposing himself. or in other words his clothes wear taken away for the crime of taking off his clothes.
No, it's not offensive; what you mean is that YOU found it offensive... big difference.
While there is some truth to the adage that offense is not given; it is only taken, I also think it fair to say that if you calculatedly plan a routine around jokes that a lot of people are likely to take offense at, then that routine can be said to be offensive.. Jimmy Carr is fully aware that people will take offense. Therefore, I think it fair to label such routines as offensive. This does not mean they should be banned or "cancelled", but if we deny that they are offensive, i think that we are being disingenuous.
@@malcolmrowe9003 The flaw in your argument is where you say "... if you calculatedly plan a routine around jokes that a lot of people are likely to take offense at, then that routine can be said to be offensive." There is no logic in that statement. You need to be able to demonstrate that a lot of people will take offence at the jokes. There is no evidence that that is the case, in fact the evidence is to the exact opposite as the audience is there because of the jokes Jimmy tells; so if they were going to be offended by them then they wouldn't have come to the show in the first place. Therefore your assertion that 'a lot of people are likely to take offense' doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
@@malcolmrowe9003 knowing someone is going to take offence is in no way the same as causing offense, especially if fair warning of a controversial subject is going to be referred to. it still takes a someone to take offense which in these situations is a case of self infliction. of course this only applies to advertized public displays, of course personal interactions are the difference here, as that can be a place were actual intentional offence can be given in an attempt to cause mental and emotional anguish on purpose. a large portion of comedic material is based on subjects that others would find some personal inference that they would be offended at but that as stated is not the intention. i would not call these offensive, but could be labeled as just controversial at best. offense is a term that directly implies personal attack not a generic proposition of statements for comedic value. 😉
@@s4ss1nthe makers of South Park always say you can either joke about everything or joke about nothing.
Hilarious 😂😂😂😂
Religion poisons everything
Peace love from England ❤
False religion poisons everything but not for long.
It's called tolerance, free speech, and comedy.
Now you see why intolerant religions do not fit well in western society. But you guys are sweet - loving your reactions!
And why the uk isn52% atheist
Sikhs were hippies until Muslims turned them into klingons.
All religions are intolerant
Jesus Christ walked into a hotel, went up the front desk, handed the clerk 2 nails and a hammer then asked "Can you put me up for the night?".
Wow, thats a bad joke. Or maybe i need better english skills. ^^
It was was 3 nails!
A priest, a Rabbi and an Iman are walking through the forest when they are seen by a hungry bear. The three can not outrun the bear so they climb a tree. The hungry bear curls up at the base of the tree, salivating with anticipation. The Rabbi tells the others they should all join in prayer and that they should prey to God to make the bear a Christian. So they pray, and they beseech God and to their amazement they watch as the bear gets onto it's knees, then as the bear pushes it's paws together and starts to prey: "Thank you God for the food I am about to receive".
You don't have to be able to outrun a bear, you just need to outrun your friends
@@d.p.2680
Haha
@@d.p.2680 ex-friends*
I recommend you react to George Carlin's "Religion is BS"!!
Neither Jimmy Carr nor Gorge Carlin are specifically talking about the Christian religion. They both mean any religion that still exists.
The thing is that some cultures are able to distinguish and compartmentalise humour from genuine insult, so generally speaking one doesn't "take things the wrong way". Naturally there will be differences of opinion in where a line might be drawn between the two, but the grey area between them is regularly investigated. What one can "get away with" moves around from generation to generation.
Welcome to 2024 where not one lie is told and still can be so offensive
Well ... Jesus didn't actually fuck him. Just a guess.
4:22 "what you might call", the expression was actually originally coined by Christopher Hitchens.
I loved the shock on both of your faces😁
This is what is called free speech. Great isn't it?
Offence is on the offended, it's a personal choice. If your beliefs can't stand up to criticism it ain't worth a bean.
Not entirely, if a person says something they know will offend it's their own fault because they're the only ones with control over what they say, and you know personal responsibility, someone crying "but meh free speech!" after insulting someone and them getting punched is their own damn fault.
Pushing it onto someone else is the equivalent of a child blaming someone they punched for being in the way of their fist "It's their fault they didn't move away in time, wah wah wah", "It's their fault they were hurt by something i chose to say, i shouldn't have to deal with the consequences of my own actions wah wah wah".
@@MrTrilbe Nope. Try harder.
@@sacredgeometry you could supply a counter argument instead of "no" because it really does sound like you're a stubborn 5 year old whose been told to go to bed. I've got multiple countries libel laws, hate speech laws, the US not having actual free speech, only freedom from governmental censorship, you have?
@@MrTrilbe your argument fails to rebut the original argument so I didn't feel it was necessary.
@@MrTrilbe "if a person says something they know will offend it's their own fault"
As opposed to? This is a non point its meaningless and irrelevant.
"because they're the only ones with control over what they say, and you know personal responsibility, someone crying "but meh free speech!" after insulting someone and them getting punched is their own damn fault. "
Just like the person is responsible for their speech the other person is responsible for their reaction to the speech and the punching. You cant just throw their autonomy and responsibility out.
"Pushing it onto someone else is the equivalent of a child blaming someone they punched for being in the way of their fist "It's their fault they didn't move away in time, wah wah wah", "It's their fault they were hurt by something i chose to say, i shouldn't have to deal with the consequences of my own actions wah wah wah"."
Oh the irony.
Comedy is oddly a place where people can discuss serious topics that the news, politicians, and others seem to ignore. The Catholic Church and what they did with shuffling priests around so the abuse could keep happening was insane with how they were not held accountable as anyone else would've been. Comedy in a way on such topics has become a part of oral storytelling that will be passed down generations. No matter how much people try and hide the truths within.
Comedy, Satire in particular has a looooooong history of it and one of the reasons it has such protections in freedom of expression and copyright laws
Very well said! 😊
If a religon cant be joked about is it really worth worshiping? Would you like to spend time with someone who takes himself too seriously?
I wonder if you guys have come across an Indian film called “PK”. It's a comedy scifi film about an alien that gets stranded on earth and, while finding a way home, is bemused by some of the religious beliefs the humans have.
Lol, you think he’s offensive? Check out Frankie Boyle 😂
please do 😂
Old Frankie Boyle, not what we have these days.
@@David_M395 He's still as hilarious as ever, probably funnier. Whenever he does his Billy Connolly impression on his podcast I piss myself.
Modern day frankie is too woke. He used to be hilarious
@@dcvids81 🙄 He stopped pandering to idiots.
I think it's less about Christians being able to take a joke and more about certain cultures that consider nothing to be off limits with comedy. You do also have countries with militant Christians as you do any other religion
We love to laugh at religion because when you step back and look at it, religion is a bit ridiculous in many ways! Organised religion can be great in parts of course, but there are so many ludicrous facets of it that you either have to laugh or cry
Plus there are thankfully more (rational) people in Britain who do NOT believe in a god than who DO believe one exists.
Those who believe are sheep or wolves hiding to prevent from being discovered and killed.
“Organised” religion is no different to any other form of dictatorship!
They all have one agenda…….control of how people live their lives!
Control of thought, speech, actions, morals, behaviour!
Britain isn't a very religious country. Those that are, can usually take a joke. Although many Muslims don't like humour about their religion as they find it offensive.
Muslims don't like cartoons do they
Nah it's free speech and comedy. i'm catholic and i find it hilarious!
That couple are laughing, but, from their style of speaking, I’m thinking they are not fluent in English, and are missing some of the nuances in the clip!
But they’re trying!
Hindus before the British arrived to enjoy a nice cup of tea found that once a married man dies his wife is tied to a stake and burnt alive , not sure if it still happens in villages , but that was the case in them times that the woman was burnt alive .
So the British army went to thoes men who burn the women alive and either hanged them or put them in fornt of a cannon and fired the cannon .
You see religion has its own rules when it cam to give punishment to innocent people , but yet behond walls were up to no good themselves .
You do not need religion to show how you can have morals but at the same time protect your children and give them the skills to be good to others .
10 minutes of Jimmy Carr roasting Christianity is a better title haha.
I wouldve loved to hear some other religions but i guess Jimmy doesnt have a spine.
He knows about Christianity, so he tells jokes about Christianity. Going after religions that you have to go read up on and then pick holes in isn’t observational comedy. His audience is also largely from a Christian background, so the jokes are easy to follow. So he could go after Zoroastrians and Buddhists, but it may lose the audience.
It's fine to mock your own, but mocking others can be a different matter.
@@sameebah
All religions should be ridiculed equally, unless, by some miracle, one manages to “prove” their deity.
@@markborder906 : Indeed - but if you launch into an attack like that as an "outsider" it can be seen not as humour, but as aggression.
@@sameebah
Same answer - if the religion cannot demonstrate it’s God(s) exist, then belief in that religion is irrational and this should be pointed out.
I certainly agree one should be careful not to personally attack the believer, but attacking the belief is not just acceptable, but could be considered a duty if someone is publicly declaring their religious beliefs.
To be fair the scientologists have more chance in being right aliens could exist.
Jesus, the ultimate nepo baby.
Well he is his own father apparently.....A little bit Norfolk as we say in the UK
Jesus Christ walked into a hotel, went up to the front desk, handed the clerk 2 nails and a hammer then asked "Can you put me up for the night?".
@@darthwiizius You told that one already
@@ThadMiller1
I appreciate the classics. ☺
It's NOT offensive. Some might find it offensive...
Very telling that you laughed at the christian jokes but were adamant how you'd not tolerate joking about your religion. You smile and laugh but are actually good people?
Jimmy would probably get stoned in India
Why do you think he would be a bad wife?
I read that stoned so I thought u was saying Jimmy Carr would be sparking fat doobies in Kerala
Every religion but islam cant take a joke. Christ is King Aamen 🙏✝️
Nothing is beyond a joke.
I'm a nordic animist (Freya, Thor, Odin). I dare to joke about the gods we believe in... more than we do amongst ourselves.
A Muslim, a Buddhist and a Catholic argued about which god was real. They decided to jump off the cliff and call on the name of their god. The one whose follower survives will be true.
A Muslim jumped:
-Allahu Akbaaar!! Allahu Akbaaar!! - BOOM!!!! Death on the spot.
The Buddhist jumped after him.
- Ommmm Buddha Buddha Buddha Buddha....Ommmmm
and landed softly, safe and sound.
The Catholic took momentum and jumped.
-Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ! BUDDHA BUDDHA BUDDHAAAAAA!!!!!!
Damn that's an old joke, in it's may forms, i remember the three Para's version myself
Good be offended 😂
Mmmmuuuussskkkaaaannnn.
The frock is the name of the uniform that the priest wears to show he is a priest. So the joke was he was defrocked for exposing himself. or in other words his clothes wear taken away for the crime of taking off his clothes.
There are no gods, realise it and get over it. You have no right to be offended, whatsoever.