Worth it on the journey of knowledge to fuck up a giant scummy corp. Those accounts were sacrificed gor the greater good. I would sacrifice my entire belongings if it meant bringing the common person a decent quality of life.
This is the ideal CIA guy. Laughs at his own cruelty lack of empathy . Manipulative behavior. He is perfect beginner agent. How many naked kids did this guy see by "accident ". Notice, no dad mentioned. Dad's are extremely important. They teach. They are valuable.
24:48 I'm not stupid, I just crashed a bunch of AT&T equipment and then told them who I was and asked them to remove a bill from my account... but I'm not stupid.
I totally appreciate that there's no real video to stuff like this, that you do. I'm a delivery driver, so I listen to endless stuff, other than music, when I'm on my routes. With stuff like this, I know I'm likely not missing anything important, by not being able to actually watch.
@@butwhytho4858 I know, I heard "WHAT'S IN THE TRUCK?"🤑😂 , they outta make a whole new category of knowledge for those of us who ask the wrong question or give the wrong answer and call it "Mixinformation" 🤣😂😂🤣
I'm a field service engineer, I do 75.000 km a year. I do the same stuff, listening to lectures and interviews. A lot better then the music and irritating DJ's...
Sprint took $800 out of my account even without auto pay. Turns out they can do that in their terms of service. I contested it with my bank, I took a credit hit but got my money back. (They mailed a phone I ordered to the wrong address and customer service said I had to file a police report saying it was stolen, but I wasn’t comfortable doing that because it was them who sent it to this crazy address. They literally mailed it to San Francisco, New Mexico.)
In the late 90s telecom companies would routinely call asking you to switch your long distance service to them. AT&T called my girlfriend once, and even though she said no they still switched her service to them, then disconnected it saying she owed $600 from 1976, and since there was a hold on the disconnection she shouldn't even switch back to her original provider. Despite the fact that she was 3 in 1976 and had a different last name, it still took nearly 2 months to get them to remove the charge from her account. Fk AT&T.
@@MongooseTacticool actually that's not a trait of sociopathy, however it is a trait of another dark tetrad trait known as sadism. However it is possible to have both and most people with dark tetrad personality have traits of others. I.e. someone high in Machiavellian-ism may also be high in narcissism
Why files would be great if it wasn't for the stupid talking fish. Ruins the whole thing. Really wanted to listen to that guy it just too much w the fish.
I'm autistic. He sounds autistic. The reason it doesn't add up is because he's disjointedly recounting things in a way that makes more sense to a casual listener. That's a strategy I used to use to make people like me because my autism would get in the way otherwise. I don't now but it did work quite nicely for a long time. Listen to where he talks about his mother smashing his N64 (1:30). He laughs repeatedly to avoid stuttering because he's blatantly not telling the truth. She probably did more than smash his N64 if you catch my drift. I have a lot of experience, ah, healing from "broken toys."
@@Mavendow I don't think he is autistic. He is very self aware, and if his stories were fabricated, then they had the right mix of tension, climax, and release for a broad audience (even if they are true, the story telling was well done (Jack's editing obviously had a significant contribution)). Only someone who models people broadly would have that insight, the "gift of gab". Autistic people model individuals discretely, not large audiences. I also doubt your autism, but I don't have enough data on you to speak knowledgeably. If Mobman is telling the truth, I'd estimate his IQ to be above 160, maybe 170. However, he doesn't speak like someone who is a genius. Bayes would say he is likely a ScriptKiddie with a 150 IQ, and is very good at the con. Life is weird, and I wish him the best.
I was wondering how he was live streaming people's web cams on dial up internet.... I'm not a "computer whiz" but I remember how bad dial up was, and I find it very implausible he was live streaming.
@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916 Ikr could barely check your email 😂dudes full of shit Edit: Its complete nonsense Dialup literally was not fast enough to do those things
@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916 Webcams were available since 1993/1994. In the late 1980s DSL (Digital Subscriber Line) was available (though uncommon), allowing use of multiple connection channels - as in, not reliant on the phone line like dial-up. Ultima was released in 1997. It's not impossible, but I do agree with you, I'm also dubious of MobMan's claims. Just a gut feeling rather than anything definitive. It's entirely plausible that he had managed this.
@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916 trust me, it was 100% possible, it just wasn't fast but you could see their desktop remotely and watch them on their webcams too, it was quite slow because of the dial up connection but it definitely allowed you to do all of what he mentioned.
@@dantevxv1501 - Gosh, I don't know about you Dante but I sure am impressed. Not quite as much as the first time I saw Eddie Van Halen play but, you know, in that ballpark...
Mobman doesn't speak like he wrote sub7. He refers to it saying like, 'it had this, it had that...' Most people tend to reference themselves giving the programs these functionalities.
"You could open and close their CD-ROM drive... Open their C drive..." Real programmers say "access" or "read". Call from a different "address"? He speaks like he's functionally illiterate.
You're right. mobman is the online handle of the creator of sub7 but this guy is not mobman. illwill found the real mobman, you can check it out in his latest talk: BSides CT 2023 - illwill: FINDING MOBMAN Go to 28 minutes into the talk.
the way that he brushes over describing some things, and mentions a couple of others that are outward implausible, he comes off like a pathological liar.
@@adamhearts9195 so what? The real question is, what in our current environment makes someone view the world how I do? Blame the illness, not the symptom
@@Aaron-tv6fs oh okay so what you're saying is you're too stupid to think for yourself and form your own thoughts and opinions the TV screen tells you what to do,, a true NPC
Yes he's good at telling a bunch of bs and making shit up "streamed on dialup" lmao anyone that actually had dialup knew that would literally be impossible
I had a fiber optic cable with AT&T. I moved about 3 miles away to an AT&T area that did not have fiber optic cable. The AT&T rep assured me that the system would work. It did not, so I cancelled the service. I received a 730.00 cancellation bill. I spoke to many AT&T reps to no avail. I filed a complaint through the Washington DC consumer protection folks. The issue was resolved.
It makes me think... I wonder if he social engineered his way into making people think he was the creator of sub7. The way he talks, I can tell he exagerates and fabricates those exagerations to target laughter or an emotional response which makes the listener open up more and become more susceptible to a lie. Once you laugh at his exagerations, he knows he has you and then feels more comfortable adding more fabrications. I do this. I had to go to therapy because of this exact situation and when I was young I wasnt even aware of the fact that I was even doing this (reading ppl, then taking advantage of them). From listening to his story, I don't think he created sub7. I do think he is great at social engineering however (aka lying and manipulating). But it all comes down to speculation. Thank you for the story. I love darknet diaries.
18:03 I'm sure he was smart, but clearly it never occurred to him that someone who he knew in the hacking circle spoofed his number and made the call most likely. I'm curious to know if he ever thought about it or whether or not he figured if that was the case, honestly he probably should of sued them in small claims court but i guess that works too. 45:41 It's possible he made it, he mentioned governments (corporations and the like) using it, It is likely when he hid everything someone else could of found it, repurposed it and evolved it and then released it to the public. Governments do this all the time to make it harder to tell if a person or government is behind it. I'll also say if it was written by a Romanian it would not be in English. But you said parts are in Romanian which is standard for someone who repurposes a code but are not the same language as the person who made it. I think this is most likely the case, because if you are Romanian your not going to write part in your language, and if your a government your not going to want any of it in your language. Soo yeah I'd say it was found and repurposed by someone which led to it becoming known. It is also possible it was remade but the evidence suggests the former.
Do you realize most people in Europe, especially the younger generation, learn to speak English? It's not the US where you can get away with only speaking one language.
Lol. I had someone call me a liar when I said Red Bull was a new thing in 97-98. I guess it was around much longer than that but that's the first time I started seeing it in stores in America.
@@Gatorade69 The company Red Bull has been around since '84 and the first iteration of the drink was sold in Austria around '87. For some reason it took 10 years before they reached the american market (via California). Next time someone calls you a liar for stating facts, just refer them to the Wikipedia article or the official Red Bull website. :)
@@MrGul There was more to the story. My uncle was an amateur dirt biker (and all round daredevil type) and was sponsored in part by Redbull, that is until he got injured. Obviously he wasn't on the A team and I don't know much about it because I wasn't him, I was young and he lived in another state but you know some people call everybody liars. It was the first time I had heard of red bull/energy drinks and tried one. I just hate how some people accuse everyone of lying, like what would me lying about that achieve ? Red Bull was definitely new to me at the time.
Omg SubSe7en... The memories! 😁 The fun i had with that 😂 My 1st steps in to RAT tools. Learned so much from and with it I don't care who's the real MobMan, I just wanna say: Thanks for that MobMan
Same.... Using winsock crackers, cracking SID for HOST accounts, accessing MERLIN, calling the victim/targets local electric company and shutting off their power. This Era was amazing, and the amount of chaos I caused is immeasurable. The internet was so new and absolutely exploitable. BTW - this is not the real mobman...
I mostly used sub7 to target 40+ year old men spamming in teen chats acting like they were younger, once verified I wiped their c:\, of course after having fun with flipping their screen upside down, or using the keylogger, opening their optical drive etc... Sub7 was most enjoyable when they had a Webcam 😎
They also own Direct TV which is so damn shitty. They know their user base is all old people and they load the guide with buyable movies. My grandpa is always buying movies on accident. I set it so that the max spending limit is 1$ but of course it doesn't work and movies are still buyable. They are awful.
The whole way through before hearing the ending I was thinking this guy sounds like a typical bullshitter. Glamourising everything and making the story sounds as 'cool' as possible leaving out the bad bits.
Some people are just light hearted especially about experience they aren't so proud of that happened a long time ago. Maybe he's told the story a thousand times. glossing over the full details helps in a lot of ways. He did mention a few traumatic things, that for another person, the guilt would eat them alive for the rest of their lives. He lost his mom, gf, home, got a felony, jail 2x, couldn't get security clearance for dod work, homeless, etc. I get it. Some people's lives are just one long journey full of stories that led them to a certain point. At which point they can be succinct and hone in on the key events. This isn't a novel, or even a full biography, he's gotta tell the main points that led from a to b to c...etc, to now,. A lot was probably edited for time. Just keep those in mind before you judge. I sense authenticity, especially in the way he turned his life around from scratch. Life is an experience.
When they dropped the name Subs3ven I laughed. I remember helping a kid use the server exe to infect his dad's PC so he could prank his dad from his PC at the university nearby lol. He did and many laughs were had. Good times.
Interesting disclaimer at the end, because ALL THROUGH THE STORY I was like, "There's zero chance this guy wrote SubSeven. He found it, yes. He used it, yes. But just listening to him there's no possible way he had the chops back then to write it from scratch." There's such an enormous skills gap between what's needed to write something like SubSeven from the ground up and what we heard from Mobman (like renaming the magnifier.exe to cmd.exe) it should be pretty obvious. Kinda surprised Jack didn't piece that together tbh. Would have been easy enough for Jack to do some direct due diligence when interviewing MobMan (Like, "Hey dude, explain this part of the code... why it's needed etc...")
Holy cow, the author of Sub7?? No shit? I can't tell you how much I've learned tearing THAT program apart! I doubt anyone will ever see this comment, but if by some miniscule chance, PLEASE tell him THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart. If it wasn't for that program, I wouldn't have tried learn more and delve into learning how to program and reverse engineer! Thank you Sub7 Author! You've definitly left a positive impact in someone's life! Man, also the trouble I got into with that program, LOLZ! Mamories!
I got into computers as a kid in the early '80s and I knew guys who got into all kinds of stuff back when it was Ataris, Apple ][s and C64s. Phreaking to call long distance BBSs and collecting credit card carbons to mail order equipment was probably the most common, but a few acquaintances were into a lot more and at least one of them did some time. I was too chicken myself, but it was a fascinating time to grow up.
I’ll take about 1% as truth, the $900 bill. His nervous laughter after a juicy detail is very telling. That’s also not how the court system works, close but not correct. Again believe what you want I’m just saying.
This guy is the worst, completely lying about several things that could be easily disproven .... he has very little actual " hacking experience " He comes off as a script kiddie with an ego . I doubt he's even the real guy
Mobman was my hero as a kid. I loved sub7 LOL I did the same thing with phones as a kid! In an apartment I redirected 3 lines to my apartment so I could run a dual channel ISDN and have a phone line when my mom wouldn't let me online. After that I never needed her phone anymore haha
Just for clarity, ISDN stands for Integrated services DIGITAL network. Pots is analog and those modems depend on sound frequency carried over the line to create the data. ISDN once again is digital. Now we have ADSL, that uses frequencies outside voice only to send the data. That could run over a phone line. ISDN installations were really expensive and required a phone company to run the line to your house.
This guy is not the real mobman, and did not create sub7. Check out illwill's talk about sub7: BSides CT 2023 - illwill: FINDING MOBMAN Go to 28 minutes into the talk.
What sub7 showed me the most was teaching me that it’s not all script talking from computer to computer, that social engineering is almost always required in some way or another and that hacking isn’t limited to computers
I’m sorry, this guy has all the markers of being full of it. He might have got sub7 early and distributed it… But nothing this guy says would explain what must’ve been quite a process to learn some of the underpinnings that would make sub work. By his own admission he was into glitches and social engineering exploits. He’s intentionally vague and anecdotal. Also, what was he charged for? There’s no way the comprehension of some random phone support person would connect back to a PBX problem. Nor would that person even know the details down to an overwritten firmware. He’s watched too many movies. The whole thing just doesn’t make a bit of sense.
You clearly have critical thinking ability and notice details that pass others by. I also noticed other things that earmark a pathological bullshitter. I could have made up the same story simply by recalling details that lend to believability. I've made up enough bullshit stories of my own for the sake of entertainment to recognize one. As for the end, as PT Barnum didn't actually say "there's a sucker born every minute" and as Mark Twain said "It's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled.". Takes some balls to spin one this big when there are people that know otherwise.
yeah, idk know anything about networking or hacking, but everything he said was so vague. I'd make stories up like that to get myself out of awkward situations, this guy's doing it for the spotlight. He went from fixing OS corruption and griefing to building an entire remote access malware payload with nothing between A and B. I'm so skeptical of that. Unless the interview was edited this way with bits missing, I doubt any person with an advanced IT background would miss so much of their early journey. Just hitting all the buzzwords in each anecdote.
Someone a long time ago did this to my computer while i was logged on aol, flipped my screen around, opened my cd drive, and a text box popped on screen with someone texting to me, it was pretty neat since the guy seemed kool and was just showing me what he could do.
God, I played Tibia (the spiritual successor of Ultima), which luckily made you have to wait 30 days to delete your character. Still, getting hacked there was some of the worst experiences ever. Can't imagine how upset the kids were when they lost their items AND characters
This sounds exactly like an episode of This American Life. Jack, you're a perfect impersonator of Ira Glass. And makes entertaining 'radio' like him too.
AT&T gaslit mobman into hacking them and then threw him into jail for saying the truth that could've saved them millions of dollars. Instead mobman goes to jail and AT&T loses millions.
Thanks for this. +1 liked. Back in Dec 2005 (I had just moved into a new place in Feb 2005) my energy company asked me if I would like to go 'dual fuel' which combined my gas and electricity bill in to one. I said yes.. it was three weeks before Christmas and I was struggling for money.. and the new bill came in.. wow, they had made an error and combined gas + electricity + gas & electricity, my bills were doubled.. I was in shock. One week before Christmas they sent me a 'final notice' saying they would get the police to come and shut off my power if I didn't consent to getting one of their expensive rate meters in.. I had no choice but to agree. The police *did* show up and the meter was installed. I was *LIVID*. I in truth owed them £75.. but they were trying to charge me £150 (I had phoned them multiple times to complain, but they didn't believe me). They expected me to use cards to charge up the meter.. quickly I learned how angry I really was. 3 years with no gas heating. It was so cold an egg wouldn't fry on the pan.. you could see your breath inside the house.. but I was indignant.1 year into this I phoned them again to enquire about this whole mess.. a employee told me my bill was £450.. weird as I had been paying my electricity and only gas had gone unpaid, but also 0% usage for that year. In February 2009 I came into some money.. I decided to phone them up and discuss the charges and maybe would end up paying it.. I got through to their CS, I explained my situation and she said she didn't know what that last guy was talking about (£450) and that my bill was much lower (I found out it was only £15 over what I *actually* owed) .. so I paid it.. I figured 3 years was long enough protest and if I died of hypothermia that would make a rubbish ending to my protest.. and who would know? FYI I'm Scottish, live in Scotland, gets pretty cold here in winter.
Extremely underrated podcast! Way more informative and interesting than the plethora of strange valley girl style of true crime content, and perhaps even more entertaining than Joe Roge! Keep it up!
Great video, started thinking this was me as a child, soon realizing this guys over exaggerating what well call his “hacker skills”. Clearly can tell he was just using others programs and exploits, and has very little knowledge of how they work.
Man I can’t imagine what was going thru that AT&T employee’s mind when he said our security is too good and proceeded to see that mob man absolutely destroy their server. 😂
Huh, as far as who wrote Sub 7, it might be an unintentional collaboration. Mobman probably found the program written by the Romanian guy and added onto it to make it more lethal. I think Mobman borders on or is a psychopath though. Cool guy with relatively good morals (thankfully), but seems oddly too chill about everything.
No mobman wrote it but this guy is not mobman, he's lying his ass off. Check out: BSides CT 2023 - illwill: FINDING MOBMAN Go to 28 minutes into the talk.
If you have a webcam, physically unplug it when you aren't using it. If you have a device with a webcam, put a physical cover over it that can't be seen through (people have trained AI that can make pictures through cloth). Electrical tape works, but it's messy as hell. Or there are plastic covers, but if you use metal be careful because if it's shiny AI can put a pic together from those reflections.
@@MrRaja just like any other language, it's never too late. MIT, Stanford, as well as many other universities have free classes to get started. SentDex and Cherno on YT have good videos too, from starter to expert. I recommend avoiding Udemy though, they steal people's videos.
Very interesting! This was a random video TH-cam recommended to me but most definitely worth my time and attention. 10/10 Also, I fucking loathe AT&T with a passion as well. One of these days I’ll tell my story too.
I'd like to correct (Or at least supplement) the record here a bit as I was in the scene from the beginning of Sub7. There are two unanswered questions in the video... Was Sub7 the first RAT? I want to say yes but my memory is a bit blurry as to which technically came out first. There were 3 that I was aware of: Netbus, Back Orifice, and Sub7. I'm about 75% certain that Sub7 was first but it almost doesn't matter. Of the three, Sub7 was more feature-rich and stable than the rest. It was hands-down the best RAT on the net. Was Mobman Romanian? I have a theory on this. The mobman in this interview tells a compelling story and there's really no reason to doubt him. I'll explain why. When Sub7 was first released, Mobman wasn't the one who released it. This was common knowledge back then that the website was being run by someone else. Sub7 was pretty much the same stable app it had always been for, I want to say a few years (The exact time-span is difficult to remember) before anything significant changed. There was a period of time where there were no updates by the maintainers of the site and I think the site even went down for a time. I don't remember the URL but I think it had the word eyulio (Something like that) in it and was hosted at a place called slack.org which, if you visited it, had text that simply read "You ain't got slack jack." Idk what that was all about. Anyway, after a long time (Presumably mobman was going through his trials and tribulations), all the sudden a new version of Sub7 was released. This new version was quite different than the first. I remember it had the same features as the first but it was modular, meaning you could infect someone with a tiny .exe (Because it had no features) and the .exe would download the rest of the features (File manager, webcam, IRC bot, whatever) from a server. If memory serves, this version was buggier than the first and pissed me off a few times. I would have liked to know if he's claiming he did the recode or if it was someone else. It sounds like with all the BS he was going through, it's unlikely that he coded the modular version. If that's true, it's entirely possible that the second version was coded by some Romanian. Also, I remember the web-site at one point stating that Sub7 had been coded in Delphi but I don't remember if it was the original or modular version. Sometime after the modular version was out, it all seemed to go to hell and nothing new came out of there. Perhaps these are a few missing breadcrumbs that can help illuminate what was going on back then. At one point the site had an IRC but it wasn't very illuminating as it was mostly a cool bunch of assholes (Myself included) in passing trying to hack each-other to steal their sub7 bot armies. Fun fact: Many a war was waged over this. Sub7 had an option for the infected machine to join an IRC channel and take commands from the chat like DDoS attacks and whatnot. If you found someone's sub7 server you could pretty easily reverse engineer it to get the command & control IRC server address, channel, and password. Joining someone's C&C chat and issuing the epic "Update yourself with this .exe URL" command followed swiftly by hundreds of IRC handles parting the chat was always hilarious but I digress. Sub7 was the best and helped inspire me to go on to a career as a software engineer. Countless engineers owe you their gratitude. For what it's worth, your story jives with what I remember. Thanks Mobman. You're an absolute legend.
You know that feeling of just knowing a channel is about to blow up? And then jt comes true? Recently I had a feeling Sumsub would be popular in the tech community, and just look where he went now. Well, I'm not sure, but I think the same is gonna happen to this channel.
just an amazing story, i can relate to so much, back in the day, we used IRC mostly, and a sub7 like app called "Netbus" but yes, the social engineering was the key element really. and the power of unity, eg, early type of botnets where hundreds of computers are used to accomplish complex tasks. this were some great times, and to be honest, almost all of the core knowledge i gathered by doing this things, fast forward to now, you meed regulary "developer/designer/professionals" that have no clue that email and web are not the same things, or can be on different computers, which is really sad but the truth, even today.
"I'm not stupid" commits crime "I'm not stupid" goes to jail "I'm not stupid" commits more crime. I don't think he understands what the word stupid means.
Jack Rhysider, Great contents I need to learn how to hack because the kind of inspiration i get from these vids are massive. I can help other like Virtual Elliot
he fucked up by accepting the defender , and AT&T broke the law by making a 17 year old sign a binding contract so the contract was null and void. AT&T didn't actually have any real evidence on him other than that phone call which could have been made up bs.
Had the same issue with AT&T, and had to take it to the States Attorney General... they completely isolated all departments from each other and no department could do anything. I had to use the Att. Gen of the State of IL to contact the President of the company and it was fixed within a day. Think mine was around 1050 USD on an unlimited internet and data account with a hotspot sold as unlimited as well... they sold me a package that didn't exist and back-billed me for all the data at a premium rate.
I played UO from 1997 - 2002 and I remember this social engineering trick. We caught on quickly that passwords were saved in a text file so we never checked that box. My group of friends would take advantage of ICQ listing IP addresses to perform DDoS attacks on unsuspecting people in the game so we could run into their house and loot it clean while they are lagged out. Fun times!
Ppl complaining about the format but I love your narration. It makes it different and original and entertaining. I just discovered your channel. Its awesome 👍
I thought mobman sounded pretty cool until he said he deleted everyone's characters AFTER stealing all their shit. That's just fucked up man.
Worth it on the journey of knowledge to fuck up a giant scummy corp.
Those accounts were sacrificed gor the greater good. I would sacrifice my entire belongings if it meant bringing the common person a decent quality of life.
He was pretty young when he was doing that.
This is the ideal CIA guy. Laughs at his own cruelty lack of empathy . Manipulative behavior. He is perfect beginner agent. How many naked kids did this guy see by "accident ". Notice, no dad mentioned. Dad's are extremely important. They teach. They are valuable.
@@vblue3926 wtf are you going on about dude
It's hilarious 😂😂😂
24:48 I'm not stupid, I just crashed a bunch of AT&T equipment and then told them who I was and asked them to remove a bill from my account... but I'm not stupid.
Lol
And he crashed it by accident.. not stupid at all lol
Human Ego will often lead to one's downfall.
Pride and stupidity are close but don't get them confused. He was showing off
"I'm shmaht."--mobman AKA Fredo
Every time you say 'mobman' I hear 'my man'. It is so much funnier this way :D
Me too. Took me a little bit to realize he WASN'T saying "my man" as well.
I thought that was just me. 🤣
True
100%
How everyone had this issue even though it was written in the title is beyond me.
I totally appreciate that there's no real video to stuff like this, that you do. I'm a delivery driver, so I listen to endless stuff, other than music, when I'm on my routes. With stuff like this, I know I'm likely not missing anything important, by not being able to actually watch.
Who do you work for?
@@lateral1385 idk why I heard that in a loud demanding tone like an interrogation 🤣 WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?!
Like JRE back before Spotify.
I enjoyed just listening...
@@butwhytho4858 I know, I heard "WHAT'S IN THE TRUCK?"🤑😂 , they outta make a whole new category of knowledge for those of us who ask the wrong question or give the wrong answer and call it "Mixinformation" 🤣😂😂🤣
I'm a field service engineer, I do 75.000 km a year.
I do the same stuff, listening to lectures and interviews.
A lot better then the music and irritating DJ's...
AT&T.. sigh. They create auto pay, and then rob you. Once they dug $1500 out of my account. I absolutely hate ATT...
I’m sure you already learned this but NEVER sign up to any type of auto pay.
Yea one time i signed up for a free fone and the backed out but the auto insurance they applied onit didnt. 800 dollars later....
Sprint took $800 out of my account even without auto pay. Turns out they can do that in their terms of service. I contested it with my bank, I took a credit hit but got my money back. (They mailed a phone I ordered to the wrong address and customer service said I had to file a police report saying it was stolen, but I wasn’t comfortable doing that because it was them who sent it to this crazy address. They literally mailed it to San Francisco, New Mexico.)
And the CEO used to send cease and desist notifications to people that emailed him for help.
You spelled CIA wrong.
That dude being interviewed sounds sketchy as shit. Not in the way that he did all this, but in the way he made it all up.
Got the same feeling this guy is not telling the truth or maybe blowing up the story way to much.
Oh the ending proves our point it seems!
You ever used sub7? It’s lame can tell it’s made simple
@@dotslashsatan Its 20 years old no shit bro
My thoughts as well
In the late 90s telecom companies would routinely call asking you to switch your long distance service to them. AT&T called my girlfriend once, and even though she said no they still switched her service to them, then disconnected it saying she owed $600 from 1976, and since there was a hold on the disconnection she shouldn't even switch back to her original provider. Despite the fact that she was 3 in 1976 and had a different last name, it still took nearly 2 months to get them to remove the charge from her account. Fk AT&T.
Phone companies ...
AT&T refused to send me my new iPhone but kept billing me for my new phone AND old phone. Its been 4 months I have been paying for 2 phones
That guffawing laugh sounds like a “he’s actually buying this crap” laugh. Dude was a script kiddie at best.
Mobman seems like somebody who takes pleasure in the pain and suffering of others.
Sounds like a sociopathic tendency.
@@MongooseTacticool actually that's not a trait of sociopathy, however it is a trait of another dark tetrad trait known as sadism. However it is possible to have both and most people with dark tetrad personality have traits of others. I.e. someone high in Machiavellian-ism may also be high in narcissism
@@V3RITAZ_42i feel like this is what phrenologists sounded like in the 1800s
Look in the mirror first bro
How so? He seemed like a cool dude to me from the interview?
Best podcast on the Internet. Grateful for all the time, energy, research that goes into Darknet Diaries.
I've been looking for a channel like this for YEARS!
You need to watch Why Files if you think this is good.
Why files would be great if it wasn't for the stupid talking fish. Ruins the whole thing. Really wanted to listen to that guy it just too much w the fish.
@@erickapler4707 love the heckler, he grows on you
Seriously suspicious this guy fabricated most of this. So much doesn't add up.
I'm autistic. He sounds autistic. The reason it doesn't add up is because he's disjointedly recounting things in a way that makes more sense to a casual listener. That's a strategy I used to use to make people like me because my autism would get in the way otherwise. I don't now but it did work quite nicely for a long time.
Listen to where he talks about his mother smashing his N64 (1:30). He laughs repeatedly to avoid stuttering because he's blatantly not telling the truth. She probably did more than smash his N64 if you catch my drift. I have a lot of experience, ah, healing from "broken toys."
@@Mavendow I don't think he is autistic. He is very self aware, and if his stories were fabricated, then they had the right mix of tension, climax, and release for a broad audience (even if they are true, the story telling was well done (Jack's editing obviously had a significant contribution)). Only someone who models people broadly would have that insight, the "gift of gab". Autistic people model individuals discretely, not large audiences. I also doubt your autism, but I don't have enough data on you to speak knowledgeably.
If Mobman is telling the truth, I'd estimate his IQ to be above 160, maybe 170. However, he doesn't speak like someone who is a genius. Bayes would say he is likely a ScriptKiddie with a 150 IQ, and is very good at the con.
Life is weird, and I wish him the best.
@@DumbledoreMcCrackeniq doesnt even mean anything LOL. What are you talking about.
There’s no way this guy created subseven.
I was wondering how he was live streaming people's web cams on dial up internet....
I'm not a "computer whiz" but I remember how bad dial up was, and I find it very implausible he was live streaming.
@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916 Ikr could barely check your email 😂dudes full of shit Edit: Its complete nonsense Dialup literally was not fast enough to do those things
@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916 Webcams were available since 1993/1994.
In the late 1980s DSL (Digital Subscriber Line) was available (though uncommon), allowing use of multiple connection channels - as in, not reliant on the phone line like dial-up.
Ultima was released in 1997.
It's not impossible, but I do agree with you, I'm also dubious of MobMan's claims. Just a gut feeling rather than anything definitive.
It's entirely plausible that he had managed this.
@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916 trust me, it was 100% possible, it just wasn't fast but you could see their desktop remotely and watch them on their webcams too, it was quite slow because of the dial up connection but it definitely allowed you to do all of what he mentioned.
Right?! Remember Wincrash, too?
Theo Von is such a great story teller. Always the funniest stuff from this guy!
Mob man is practicing the Dark Arts
Sounds like Theo to you? Idk about all that
I don’t get it gang gang son
If its theo or not, its all made up to impress kids
@@dantevxv1501 - Gosh, I don't know about you Dante but I sure am impressed. Not quite as much as the first time I saw Eddie Van Halen play but, you know, in that ballpark...
Mobman doesn't speak like he wrote sub7. He refers to it saying like, 'it had this, it had that...' Most people tend to reference themselves giving the programs these functionalities.
"You could open and close their CD-ROM drive... Open their C drive..." Real programmers say "access" or "read". Call from a different "address"? He speaks like he's functionally illiterate.
I noticed the same thing. I almost fell pissed off that I let him waste thirty minutes of my time
@@bobweiram6321 "he doesn't sound like an involved pretentious prick surely he's not a hardcore HaXoR like me."
Cringe.
@@bobweiram6321 yeah he is full of shit
You're right. mobman is the online handle of the creator of sub7 but this guy is not mobman. illwill found the real mobman, you can check it out in his latest talk: BSides CT 2023 - illwill: FINDING MOBMAN
Go to 28 minutes into the talk.
the way that he brushes over describing some things, and mentions a couple of others that are outward implausible,
he comes off like a pathological liar.
Worse, there's almost no remorse and empathy... This is a psychopath with a high amount of ego.
Well he probably did a lot illegal shit he never got caught for. I'd do the same thing if I was him.
@@jackson2308 another monster
He kinda does but I think it's the laugh and the fact all that stuff is behind him now
Agreed. Interesting and educational nonetheless
"John (Macafey) is no longer working at Macafey and is... Doing his own adventures"
Now that's a fucking understatement
John McAfee is NOT doing his own ventures. He passed away in Spanish prison. Poor man, SUPPOSEDLY, a suicide.
like Epstein ,?
OMG perfect timing. was just looking for some content for my way back to home
I know you put alot of effort into this. Just want you to know we understand and we love the content.
Yeah, my BS detector was going off the whole time
I'm glad he added the addendum because otherwise I wouldn't have known why your bs detector was going off.
I love how chill this guy is about the whole thing. Much respect
sociopath
@@adamhearts9195 so what? The real question is, what in our current environment makes someone view the world how I do?
Blame the illness, not the symptom
@@Aaron-tv6fs oh okay so what you're saying is you're too stupid to think for yourself and form your own thoughts and opinions
the TV screen tells you what to do,,
a true NPC
looks like he is on drugs
Yes he's good at telling a bunch of bs and making shit up "streamed on dialup" lmao anyone that actually had dialup knew that would literally be impossible
Turns out the guy whose character he deleted hacked AT&T and set this whole thing up.
ATT did something immoral?
ThATs NEvr HapPnD BefORe
I had a fiber optic cable with AT&T. I moved about 3 miles away to an AT&T area that did not have fiber optic cable. The AT&T rep assured me that the system would work. It did not, so I cancelled the service. I received a 730.00 cancellation bill. I spoke to many AT&T reps to no avail. I filed a complaint through the Washington DC consumer protection folks. The issue was resolved.
Nice. Fuck big corporate companies, this is what hackers need to go after
I wonder if one of the guys he hacked from the game hacked his AT&T account. Seems fair.
No. Doubt it.
😂
this guys laugh is an entire vibe on it's own
It's mood AF 😂🤣
i hate it
@@tr0llol677 Cope
Huh who talks like that…
It makes me think... I wonder if he social engineered his way into making people think he was the creator of sub7.
The way he talks, I can tell he exagerates and fabricates those exagerations to target laughter or an emotional response which makes the listener open up more and become more susceptible to a lie. Once you laugh at his exagerations, he knows he has you and then feels more comfortable adding more fabrications. I do this. I had to go to therapy because of this exact situation and when I was young I wasnt even aware of the fact that I was even doing this (reading ppl, then taking advantage of them).
From listening to his story, I don't think he created sub7. I do think he is great at social engineering however (aka lying and manipulating). But it all comes down to speculation.
Thank you for the story. I love darknet diaries.
1000% he didn’t create sub7.. he’s a script kiddie… I was around the scene back then it was made by a Armenian guy.
@@james407 yup you're correct as I am half Armenian and know who your talking about lol😆🤭🙏😉
@@james407 sub7 was a simple code that a script kiddie could make. Lmfao
he didn't create shit. look up cult of the dead cow.
@@james407 agreed thought the same thing
Such a good episode. Mobman cracked me up throughout this whole episode.
18:03 I'm sure he was smart, but clearly it never occurred to him that someone who he knew in the hacking circle spoofed his number and made the call most likely. I'm curious to know if he ever thought about it or whether or not he figured if that was the case, honestly he probably should of sued them in small claims court but i guess that works too.
45:41 It's possible he made it, he mentioned governments (corporations and the like) using it, It is likely when he hid everything someone else could of found it, repurposed it and evolved it and then released it to the public. Governments do this all the time to make it harder to tell if a person or government is behind it. I'll also say if it was written by a Romanian it would not be in English. But you said parts are in Romanian which is standard for someone who repurposes a code but are not the same language as the person who made it. I think this is most likely the case, because if you are Romanian your not going to write part in your language, and if your a government your not going to want any of it in your language. Soo yeah I'd say it was found and repurposed by someone which led to it becoming known. It is also possible it was remade but the evidence suggests the former.
I’m here for you...
@@moretrash4you You don't think so?
@@moretrash4you 🤣
@@KingKatura over his head
Do you realize most people in Europe, especially the younger generation, learn to speak English? It's not the US where you can get away with only speaking one language.
I guess mobman didn't know that Red Bull was available in the USA as early as 1997.
The damage he could have done.
Lol. I had someone call me a liar when I said Red Bull was a new thing in 97-98. I guess it was around much longer than that but that's the first time I started seeing it in stores in America.
@@Gatorade69 The company Red Bull has been around since '84 and the first iteration of the drink was sold in Austria around '87. For some reason it took 10 years before they reached the american market (via California). Next time someone calls you a liar for stating facts, just refer them to the Wikipedia article or the official Red Bull website. :)
@@MrGul There was more to the story. My uncle was an amateur dirt biker (and all round daredevil type) and was sponsored in part by Redbull, that is until he got injured. Obviously he wasn't on the A team and I don't know much about it because I wasn't him, I was young and he lived in another state but you know some people call everybody liars. It was the first time I had heard of red bull/energy drinks and tried one. I just hate how some people accuse everyone of lying, like what would me lying about that achieve ? Red Bull was definitely new to me at the time.
He's a [l]user. Lots of things don't add up for him. Simplest one: Sub7 was FULL of features... 2nd one: He's not Romanian
"I'm not stupid. Let me just illiterate that" ...Hilarious
i remember when you said,
you can be a famous or you can be a criminal,
but you can't be a famous criminal.
Omg SubSe7en... The memories! 😁
The fun i had with that 😂
My 1st steps in to RAT tools. Learned so much from and with it
I don't care who's the real MobMan, I just wanna say: Thanks for that MobMan
I want to be a teenager again
❤ +1
Same.... Using winsock crackers, cracking SID for HOST accounts, accessing MERLIN, calling the victim/targets local electric company and shutting off their power.
This Era was amazing, and the amount of chaos I caused is immeasurable. The internet was so new and absolutely exploitable.
BTW - this is not the real mobman...
I mostly used sub7 to target 40+ year old men spamming in teen chats acting like they were younger, once verified I wiped their c:\, of course after having fun with flipping their screen upside down, or using the keylogger, opening their optical drive etc... Sub7 was most enjoyable when they had a Webcam 😎
@@Zeroduckies Even if you could, the world is different since then... sadly... it has lost its "innocence"...
Shame he didn't destroy AT&T. They're a shit company and I hope they go under.
Ultra work 😲
They also own Direct TV which is so damn shitty. They know their user base is all old people and they load the guide with buyable movies. My grandpa is always buying movies on accident. I set it so that the max spending limit is 1$ but of course it doesn't work and movies are still buyable. They are awful.
The whole way through before hearing the ending I was thinking this guy sounds like a typical bullshitter. Glamourising everything and making the story sounds as 'cool' as possible leaving out the bad bits.
Some people are just light hearted especially about experience they aren't so proud of that happened a long time ago. Maybe he's told the story a thousand times. glossing over the full details helps in a lot of ways. He did mention a few traumatic things, that for another person, the guilt would eat them alive for the rest of their lives. He lost his mom, gf, home, got a felony, jail 2x, couldn't get security clearance for dod work, homeless, etc. I get it. Some people's lives are just one long journey full of stories that led them to a certain point. At which point they can be succinct and hone in on the key events. This isn't a novel, or even a full biography, he's gotta tell the main points that led from a to b to c...etc, to now,. A lot was probably edited for time. Just keep those in mind before you judge. I sense authenticity, especially in the way he turned his life around from scratch. Life is an experience.
I am supposed to learn web dev but ethical hacking is just something far more interesting to learn lol
A good webdev will learn both to prevent making exploitable sites
When they dropped the name Subs3ven I laughed. I remember helping a kid use the server exe to infect his dad's PC so he could prank his dad from his PC at the university nearby lol. He did and many laughs were had. Good times.
This podcast never cease to amaze me.
This is simultaneously one of greatest and saddest stories I've ever heard! It is amazing and should be a movie!
Definitely!!! It's definitely a popular subject and would be fun to watch!
It's a bunch of lies though dudes a compulsive liar
So true would love to see him stand up for himself to everyone saying he lied and is a druggie, seems like a smart guy just chilled out
Indeed, guy has a vivid imagination. Who knows what he was smoking.
"...learned to be humble and very respectful."
That's some truth right there
Interesting disclaimer at the end, because ALL THROUGH THE STORY I was like, "There's zero chance this guy wrote SubSeven. He found it, yes. He used it, yes. But just listening to him there's no possible way he had the chops back then to write it from scratch." There's such an enormous skills gap between what's needed to write something like SubSeven from the ground up and what we heard from Mobman (like renaming the magnifier.exe to cmd.exe) it should be pretty obvious. Kinda surprised Jack didn't piece that together tbh. Would have been easy enough for Jack to do some direct due diligence when interviewing MobMan (Like, "Hey dude, explain this part of the code... why it's needed etc...")
Holy cow, the author of Sub7?? No shit? I can't tell you how much I've learned tearing THAT program apart!
I doubt anyone will ever see this comment, but if by some miniscule chance, PLEASE tell him THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart. If it wasn't for that program, I wouldn't have tried learn more and delve into learning how to program and reverse engineer!
Thank you Sub7 Author! You've definitly left a positive impact in someone's life! Man, also the trouble I got into with that program, LOLZ! Mamories!
whether he did it or not, he is hella entertaining guy
Listening to this has been nostalgic, thank you. Your next beer is on me, bro.
Violated probation because I didnt actually get a probation officer
Actually fucking happens all the time.
I had one but they never checked on me or anything. Whatever, it was better that way.
@@Gatorade69 right I've had one and I didnt even meet them ever
I got into computers as a kid in the early '80s and I knew guys who got into all kinds of stuff back when it was Ataris, Apple ][s and C64s. Phreaking to call long distance BBSs and collecting credit card carbons to mail order equipment was probably the most common, but a few acquaintances were into a lot more and at least one of them did some time. I was too chicken myself, but it was a fascinating time to grow up.
carbons. what where they thinking! all you need out in plain sight.
I’ll take about 1% as truth, the $900 bill.
His nervous laughter after a juicy detail is very telling. That’s also not how the court system works, close but not correct. Again believe what you want I’m just saying.
This guy is the worst, completely lying about several things that could be easily disproven .... he has very little actual " hacking experience "
He comes off as a script kiddie with an ego . I doubt he's even the real guy
This guy is the reason we can't have nice things.
The mega-corps manage that quite nicely all on their own. Him being annoying just gives them yet another excuse to do the usual.
Mobman u legend , I remember Sub7 !! Crazy to think I'd hear an interview of him talking about it in 2022 !
Truly legendary. His demeanor is undaunted by his experience. I appreciate him.
Back Orifice, Netbus, Sub7. Those were the days.
Stealing People's Ultima loot &/ or deleting their accounts for a lot of People would be worse than stealing their credit card details or balance.
I really like your recently discovered (by me) podcast. Nice voice, and your production choices are spot on. Thanks!
This guy tells the story in the funniest way and was not bitter at all despite going to jail several times.
ATT is banned from my properties as well! If they ever pay me my money, with interest, I might consider lifting their ban.
Mobman was my hero as a kid. I loved sub7
LOL I did the same thing with phones as a kid! In an apartment I redirected 3 lines to my apartment so I could run a dual channel ISDN and have a phone line when my mom wouldn't let me online. After that I never needed her phone anymore haha
Three phone lines? ISDN doesn’t run over regular pots lines
Just for clarity, ISDN stands for Integrated services DIGITAL network. Pots is analog and those modems depend on sound frequency carried over the line to create the data. ISDN once again is digital. Now we have ADSL, that uses frequencies outside voice only to send the data. That could run over a phone line. ISDN installations were really expensive and required a phone company to run the line to your house.
This guy is not the real mobman, and did not create sub7. Check out illwill's talk about sub7: BSides CT 2023 - illwill: FINDING MOBMAN
Go to 28 minutes into the talk.
What sub7 showed me the most was teaching me that it’s not all script talking from computer to computer, that social engineering is almost always required in some way or another and that hacking isn’t limited to computers
I’m sorry, this guy has all the markers of being full of it. He might have got sub7 early and distributed it… But nothing this guy says would explain what must’ve been quite a process to learn some of the underpinnings that would make sub work. By his own admission he was into glitches and social engineering exploits. He’s intentionally vague and anecdotal. Also, what was he charged for? There’s no way the comprehension of some random phone support person would connect back to a PBX problem. Nor would that person even know the details down to an overwritten firmware. He’s watched too many movies. The whole thing just doesn’t make a bit of sense.
You clearly have critical thinking ability and notice details that pass others by. I also noticed other things that earmark a pathological bullshitter. I could have made up the same story simply by recalling details that lend to believability. I've made up enough bullshit stories of my own for the sake of entertainment to recognize one. As for the end, as PT Barnum didn't actually say "there's a sucker born every minute" and as Mark Twain said "It's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled.". Takes some balls to spin one this big when there are people that know otherwise.
yeah, idk know anything about networking or hacking, but everything he said was so vague. I'd make stories up like that to get myself out of awkward situations, this guy's doing it for the spotlight. He went from fixing OS corruption and griefing to building an entire remote access malware payload with nothing between A and B. I'm so skeptical of that. Unless the interview was edited this way with bits missing, I doubt any person with an advanced IT background would miss so much of their early journey. Just hitting all the buzzwords in each anecdote.
@@isaacs2777 Very well said, as well as being an excellent observation.
i think he just had the .exe and it was not hard to find out how to use it to gain acces to infected pc's
Maybe you should start a TH-cam channel and invite him on to ask all these questions
I love how he finds humor in everthing. This man will live a long life.
Someone a long time ago did this to my computer while i was logged on aol, flipped my screen around, opened my cd drive, and a text box popped on screen with someone texting to me, it was pretty neat since the guy seemed kool and was just showing me what he could do.
God, I played Tibia (the spiritual successor of Ultima), which luckily made you have to wait 30 days to delete your character. Still, getting hacked there was some of the worst experiences ever. Can't imagine how upset the kids were when they lost their items AND characters
This sounds exactly like an episode of This American Life. Jack, you're a perfect impersonator of Ira Glass. And makes entertaining 'radio' like him too.
AT&T gaslit mobman into hacking them and then threw him into jail for saying the truth that could've saved them millions of dollars. Instead mobman goes to jail and AT&T loses millions.
Sub7 did not "come up with that method" of scam, this was happening in Diablo 1/2 and other games in the 90s.
Just tapped into the Spotify podcast and its banging! First and only podcast I follow and well worth it. Keep it dropping bruv 💪
Thanks for this. +1 liked. Back in Dec 2005 (I had just moved into a new place in Feb 2005) my energy company asked me if I would like to go 'dual fuel' which combined my gas and electricity bill in to one. I said yes.. it was three weeks before Christmas and I was struggling for money.. and the new bill came in.. wow, they had made an error and combined gas + electricity + gas & electricity, my bills were doubled.. I was in shock. One week before Christmas they sent me a 'final notice' saying they would get the police to come and shut off my power if I didn't consent to getting one of their expensive rate meters in.. I had no choice but to agree. The police *did* show up and the meter was installed. I was *LIVID*. I in truth owed them £75.. but they were trying to charge me £150 (I had phoned them multiple times to complain, but they didn't believe me). They expected me to use cards to charge up the meter.. quickly I learned how angry I really was. 3 years with no gas heating. It was so cold an egg wouldn't fry on the pan.. you could see your breath inside the house.. but I was indignant.1 year into this I phoned them again to enquire about this whole mess.. a employee told me my bill was £450.. weird as I had been paying my electricity and only gas had gone unpaid, but also 0% usage for that year. In February 2009 I came into some money.. I decided to phone them up and discuss the charges and maybe would end up paying it.. I got through to their CS, I explained my situation and she said she didn't know what that last guy was talking about (£450) and that my bill was much lower (I found out it was only £15 over what I *actually* owed) .. so I paid it.. I figured 3 years was long enough protest and if I died of hypothermia that would make a rubbish ending to my protest.. and who would know? FYI I'm Scottish, live in Scotland, gets pretty cold here in winter.
It sounds to me like the prior owners or tenants left without paying their bill.
I've been on a binge of your podcast at work for the last 2 months, great content!
Extremely underrated podcast! Way more informative and interesting than the plethora of strange valley girl style of true crime content, and perhaps even more entertaining than Joe Roge! Keep it up!
Your vids are really awesome ... you always come up with something people won't know so easily
Great video, started thinking this was me as a child, soon realizing this guys over exaggerating what well call his “hacker skills”. Clearly can tell he was just using others programs and exploits, and has very little knowledge of how they work.
I worked online support for virus scanning software in the 90s. We used to mess with each other with some of the malware we collected.
Man I can’t imagine what was going thru that AT&T employee’s mind when he said our security is too good and proceeded to see that mob man absolutely destroy their server. 😂
Huh, as far as who wrote Sub 7, it might be an unintentional collaboration. Mobman probably found the program written by the Romanian guy and added onto it to make it more lethal. I think Mobman borders on or is a psychopath though. Cool guy with relatively good morals (thankfully), but seems oddly too chill about everything.
Really? He seemed like a fucking asshole to me.
Based on what
@@QuanshengQwin What do you mean?
@@QuanshengQwin the episode.. we just watched… ?
No mobman wrote it but this guy is not mobman, he's lying his ass off. Check out: BSides CT 2023 - illwill: FINDING MOBMAN
Go to 28 minutes into the talk.
You can’t blame your ding dong friends for spilling your secret. You spilled it first, to them.
The webcam thing is super creepy 😳
If you have a webcam, physically unplug it when you aren't using it. If you have a device with a webcam, put a physical cover over it that can't be seen through (people have trained AI that can make pictures through cloth). Electrical tape works, but it's messy as hell. Or there are plastic covers, but if you use metal be careful because if it's shiny AI can put a pic together from those reflections.
@@LabGecko i hate myself not pushing towards learning programming
@@MrRaja just like any other language, it's never too late. MIT, Stanford, as well as many other universities have free classes to get started. SentDex and Cherno on YT have good videos too, from starter to expert. I recommend avoiding Udemy though, they steal people's videos.
This channel is going to blow up tomorrow. You'll have 2 million subs by the end of the month.
interesting great vid appreciate the update
this is probably the funniest episode i listened to from you
Very interesting! This was a random video TH-cam recommended to me but most definitely worth my time and attention. 10/10 Also, I fucking loathe AT&T with a passion as well. One of these days I’ll tell my story too.
This was great. I kept thinking you were saying ,”Mah man” instead of his name lol
I'd like to correct (Or at least supplement) the record here a bit as I was in the scene from the beginning of Sub7. There are two unanswered questions in the video...
Was Sub7 the first RAT?
I want to say yes but my memory is a bit blurry as to which technically came out first. There were 3 that I was aware of: Netbus, Back Orifice, and Sub7. I'm about 75% certain that Sub7 was first but it almost doesn't matter. Of the three, Sub7 was more feature-rich and stable than the rest. It was hands-down the best RAT on the net.
Was Mobman Romanian?
I have a theory on this. The mobman in this interview tells a compelling story and there's really no reason to doubt him. I'll explain why. When Sub7 was first released, Mobman wasn't the one who released it. This was common knowledge back then that the website was being run by someone else. Sub7 was pretty much the same stable app it had always been for, I want to say a few years (The exact time-span is difficult to remember) before anything significant changed. There was a period of time where there were no updates by the maintainers of the site and I think the site even went down for a time. I don't remember the URL but I think it had the word eyulio (Something like that) in it and was hosted at a place called slack.org which, if you visited it, had text that simply read "You ain't got slack jack." Idk what that was all about.
Anyway, after a long time (Presumably mobman was going through his trials and tribulations), all the sudden a new version of Sub7 was released. This new version was quite different than the first. I remember it had the same features as the first but it was modular, meaning you could infect someone with a tiny .exe (Because it had no features) and the .exe would download the rest of the features (File manager, webcam, IRC bot, whatever) from a server. If memory serves, this version was buggier than the first and pissed me off a few times. I would have liked to know if he's claiming he did the recode or if it was someone else. It sounds like with all the BS he was going through, it's unlikely that he coded the modular version. If that's true, it's entirely possible that the second version was coded by some Romanian. Also, I remember the web-site at one point stating that Sub7 had been coded in Delphi but I don't remember if it was the original or modular version. Sometime after the modular version was out, it all seemed to go to hell and nothing new came out of there.
Perhaps these are a few missing breadcrumbs that can help illuminate what was going on back then. At one point the site had an IRC but it wasn't very illuminating as it was mostly a cool bunch of assholes (Myself included) in passing trying to hack each-other to steal their sub7 bot armies. Fun fact: Many a war was waged over this. Sub7 had an option for the infected machine to join an IRC channel and take commands from the chat like DDoS attacks and whatnot. If you found someone's sub7 server you could pretty easily reverse engineer it to get the command & control IRC server address, channel, and password. Joining someone's C&C chat and issuing the epic "Update yourself with this .exe URL" command followed swiftly by hundreds of IRC handles parting the chat was always hilarious but I digress.
Sub7 was the best and helped inspire me to go on to a career as a software engineer. Countless engineers owe you their gratitude. For what it's worth, your story jives with what I remember. Thanks Mobman. You're an absolute legend.
P
BSides CT 2023 - illwill: FINDING MOBMAN
Go to 28 minutes into the talk.
Enter the multiverse! The ending was unexpected. Nice video & great transparency.
Was able to chat with mobman back in the day before the att drama. Glad to see he's doing well
38:30 well unfortunately John McAfee isnt doing anything anymore. No more ventures for him. RIP the GOAT
John Macafee is doing his own ventures from the grave.
You know that feeling of just knowing a channel is about to blow up? And then jt comes true? Recently I had a feeling Sumsub would be popular in the tech community, and just look where he went now.
Well, I'm not sure, but I think the same is gonna happen to this channel.
yea when the algorithm starts recommending shit to people like you and me, you can be sure it does so to other people! My my are you an oracle
@@robbzooi damn bro you seem quite pissed. Which one of your parents took away the xbox controller this time?
@@DexieTheSheep ????????????
Nice you are continuing to upload your episodes to TH-cam, make listening to them with friends a bit easier.
That atnt bill was not a bug it was part of the design that’s why they got away with it so long😡.
just an amazing story, i can relate to so much, back in the day, we used IRC mostly, and a sub7 like app called "Netbus" but yes, the social engineering was the key element really. and the power of unity, eg, early type of botnets where hundreds of computers are used to accomplish complex tasks. this were some great times, and to be honest, almost all of the core knowledge i gathered by doing this things, fast forward to now, you meed regulary "developer/designer/professionals" that have no clue that email and web are not the same things, or can be on different computers, which is really sad but the truth, even today.
a video game addict with a bragging habit and some talent.
He could have walked away from this if not for the bragging. He sounds fun for sure.
"I'm not stupid" commits crime "I'm not stupid" goes to jail "I'm not stupid" commits more crime. I don't think he understands what the word stupid means.
Jack Rhysider, Great contents
I need to learn how to hack because the kind of inspiration i get from these vids are massive. I can help other like Virtual Elliot
You can tell dude is not a Computer expert 💀
he fucked up by accepting the defender , and AT&T broke the law by making a 17 year old sign a binding contract so the contract was null and void.
AT&T didn't actually have any real evidence on him other than that phone call which could have been made up bs.
Had the same issue with AT&T, and had to take it to the States Attorney General... they completely isolated all departments from each other and no department could do anything. I had to use the Att. Gen of the State of IL to contact the President of the company and it was fixed within a day. Think mine was around 1050 USD on an unlimited internet and data account with a hotspot sold as unlimited as well... they sold me a package that didn't exist and back-billed me for all the data at a premium rate.
I played UO from 1997 - 2002 and I remember this social engineering trick. We caught on quickly that passwords were saved in a text file so we never checked that box. My group of friends would take advantage of ICQ listing IP addresses to perform DDoS attacks on unsuspecting people in the game so we could run into their house and loot it clean while they are lagged out. Fun times!
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Dang this was a great one. Thanks, Jack
Mobman is such a tech Chad and I barely started the vid. Splicing your neighbors phone line in the dial-up era is fucking hilarious.
Ppl complaining about the format but I love your narration. It makes it different and original and entertaining. I just discovered your channel. Its awesome 👍
this guy is as dark as this video continues
If math answered all things then you have a reason to be so dang smart. Right?