I've let lawyers be on juries I've chosen. And I know attorneys who have been selected. (And if lawyers were so bad, you'd think that one side would want them while the other would not. Why would BOTH sides not want them?)
@@stevelehto It is case by case evaluation I guess. You will always select the jury that you think is most beneficial for your case? And so will also the prosecutor.
If I were innocent I would love to have about eight or nine lawyers on my jury. .. in the last half century of eligibility, I've never been called for jury duty. I'm curious, do judges explain jury nulafacation?
@@j.rbry.8990 At least in my state, judges absolutely do not mention jury nullification. They do ask, however, whether you will base your decision solely on what the law is.
@@j.rbry.8990 You are not allowed to mention jury nullification, the mention can get a mistrial, and the person who brings it up in deep doo doo. My guess is that it must be something so egregious that the jury spontaneously decides to toss the law as written out the window.
So, I'm severely disabled. I was summoned to the city of Taylor Michigan for jury duty when I lived in Taylor. I was semi mobile back then, so I wanted to do "my civic duty". So, I show up to the "paid from the Gardener White speed trap new fancy courthouse". My care giver drops me off and the officer at the door told me no cellphones. I ask how I am supposed to call my caregiver to pick me up when I was done. The officer told me there was a payphone that I can use. So, the judge comes in after we watch "the video" and says that the case was just settled and we were free to go. So, I go back downstairs to the "change window" I ask the lady to break my dollar so I can use the payphone to call my ride. She gives me this sneer and says "We don't break change for the payphone here, this is the window people pay their fees and such". I'm like lady I can't call my ride then. She said that was not her problem. So, whatever, I ask the folks in line if they can break the dollar. It was no problem. So, then I walk over to THE ONE AND ONLY PAYPHONE IN THE COURTHOUSE. The payphone had a note on it that it was out of order. So, I go over to the officer at the metal detector and ask what can I do. He says, "sorry about your luck, I think there are still payphones at the gas station at Goddard and Telegraph". I'm like, sir, I am disabled and it's February and since I was in the courthouse, I left my coat with my caregiver. He says, "sorry about your luck buddy there's nothing we can do". I was shocked by the lack of empathy and the ease to just blow me off. So, I got very sad and angry, and I walked right outside the courthouse and plopped my butt right in the snow right in front of the building. Another police officer from another city was walking up to go into the courthouse and asked if I needed help. I mean I was in a polo shirt in the middle of February sitting on the ground smack dab Infront of the courthouse. I explained all the details that I previously mentioned, and the officer asked if I wanted to use his cellphone to call my caregiver. Well, I never accept any summons anymore and opt out due to medical issues. What those people did to me that day in that courthouse was shallow and evil.
Our county dont allow cellphones but staff, judges, lawyers, gaurds ect, have their phones and sometimes go as far as to have phone conversations in the back of the courtroom.
I unfortunately needed to get out of already-rescheduled jury duty so I just objected to one of the charges during voir dire stating that I could never convict on that charge it was properly an aggravating factor at sentencing to be considered at trial (the charge was "Wearing body armor during the commission of a felony"). My legal "theory" was just plausible (if invalid) enough to get me excused. Like physicians, judges and trial lawyers dislike people who "do their own research". I also had with me jury nullification literature if I needed it, and made a pain in the ass of myself by stepping outside to smoke and telling the bailiff "I'd be with him in a moment" when told I wasn't allowed to do that. The bastards did let me go before lunch, though. ;)
The attitude to avoid jury duty among so many is why we have such a screwed up legal system. It is our last chance as citizens to tell the ruling class we are not going to put up with their crap.
The IRS irrefutably asserts that, if they mailed you a notice, you received it. But, if the shoe is on the other foot, even if you have a USPS certified mail return receipt signed by the IRS, the IRS does not consider that proof that you sent something to them.
I mean, pretty much them calling you and asking for money period is the dead giveaway. Crimes aren't typically resolved over the phone. I mean, think about it, even if they were, they have no way of knowing that the person they are currently talking to is the person of interest. And since they have no way of knowing if the person talking is the person of interest, they have no way of proving that they actually reached you by phone and therefore no way of proving you were served notice of your supposed misdeed. Even legit debt collectors have to provide you with certain information and must contact you only in writing if you so request it. The exception, I believe, is legit companies you do business with, like say, your doctor, could call you and say 'We noticed you didn't pay your bill from such and such a date do you want to pay now'. If that happens you can just say 'Yeah, I'll pay by mail' or whatever. There is absolutely no scenario where somebody would be calling you and you are obligated to pay them over the phone, let alone in gift cards.
Would anyone else enjoy listening to Mr. Lehto do an in depth video of the legal process of selecting a jury and what both attorneys have in mind when they are selecting them?
apparently wearing a shirt with a picture of brass knuckles and the text "I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose" is disqualifying for being a juror on an assault case.
I was sent a notice just once, 14 years ago, for jury duty. The form had 5 questions on it, and all were really looking for a yes answer. However, one of the questions said, "Have you ever been convicted of a felony?", to which I answered "NO". At the bottom of the form was a statement that said, "If you answered NO to any of the above questions you are not eligible to serve on a jury. Return this form and your name will be removed." I read and reread that form several times to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding something. Someone had obviously written the form incorrectly. So I saved a copy of it (just in case), and returned the original form. Never been called again, which is a shame because I would have gone, and still would; but I think I've been permanently excused due to an error in how the form was written.
I got a jury questionnaire form in the mail, seems like it included a vague threat to those who didn't comply so I filled it out and put it in the unstamped envelope provided and put it in a mailbox. To this day I wonder where it ended up.
I wish it was that easy for me, I’ve been getting these every single year for jury duty. Although I sent back with dates that I’ve already went. It hasn’t stopped, it’s been going on for 12 years now. I’m so frustrated with this jury duty junks.
I never make it out of voir dire. Either they exclude me for being a veteran, or as a veteran who served on a court-martial board. If I get past those the judge removes me on the question of whether I will follow the instructions in my deliberation (or words to that effect). My response is in the "I will listen carefully to all evidence and arguments presented, and then vote as my conscience dictates for a just result." Judges hate that because it treads into "jury nullification" territory. They like jurors who will vote the way the judge instructs them, rather than in the interest of justice. As a result I've never served on a jury. On the upside the judge usually signs off my paperwork to excuse me so I don't have to spend the rest of the day in the jury pool.
I just love that she took up 2+ hours of this scammer’s time. I got a call like this awhile ago. I told the caller that this was a scam and had tracked his number (a lie) and was going to report them to the police. He hung up so fast…
If it's a number I don't recognize,I usually answer with "State of Confusion Attorney Generals Office.Usually,"Bob" from India has no idea if there is such a place,and goes on with his script.I have been sworn at,threatened to be shot,and generally managed to piss off all but one or two.I have insulted their morals,their parentage,and may (or may not)have implied that their sisters swim out to meet troop ships.I'm old,and you have to get your fun when and where you can.
I received a jury duty summons for my wife who' had passed away three years prior. I called the court house and. explained that she is deceased, therefore incapable of attending. Two years later, I received another jury duty summons addressed to her, so I called again and explained again and included the previous experience. He said the only notation on her file was that she failed to show up. I said that you should be thankful that she didn't. That would be a terrible looking and smelling mess! He said that he would make sure it was properly handled this time.
@@jimtyndall1267 Well if you do that and they find out you're not deceased, then you've committed fraud. If you just ignore it and destroy the summons, you can just say you never ever received a summons. They cannot prove that it was actually delivered since they chose not to use delivery confirmation, which the USPS provides free of charge.
@@420GratefulHippie I said that you should write "DECEASED" on the envelope and place it in the mail ONLY if the addressee is actually deceased. Don't them throw the summonses away because you may receive a visit from the law enforcement agency that provides court security and you may have to answer before a judge. I know someone who either didn't receive their jury summons or ignored it and had to answer before a judge. The judge ordered their service one month later.
@@JohnTheRevelat0r General location a large percentage of the time is Gurugram, India. Just a smidge outside of US jurisdiction, me thinks. Though, a certain TH-camr in Europe finds these guys all the time.
I once threw out a summons for Federal jury duty. They sent it to my parents address after I had been living in my own home for over 2 years. I figured, if the federal government doesn’t know where I live, I don’t have much to be worried about 😂
It’s been almost 20 years, I’m pretty sure the statue of limitations is up. Plus I and whichever lawyer I choose to employ am confident that I’d have an easy case to beat. It’s up to them to prove I even got it & I can clearly show proof that I hadn’t lived at my parent’s address for 2+ years. My parents are under no obligation to pass mail on at that point. Plus, I have been pulled over, ticketed, moved states, & gotten my CPL, I’m sure if it were a problem, I’d know by now. Plus, they would’ve sent a follow up letter or some G-men to my parent’s house to ask some questions.
I moved to New York City (Manhattan) in the 1980s. After 3 years I got my first jury duty summons, just as I was about to move to Brooklyn (different county, different courts). So, I avoided that one. After 7 years in Brooklyn I got my first summons there, just as I was about to move back to Manhattan. Keep slipping away. I've been in Manhattan ever since, and have been called and released after a day and half a few times. Just last year, during pandemic times, I actually served on a jury for the first time in my life. It was interesting. Assault case.
Yep. Someone called my wife a couple years ago claiming we had a warrant over back taxes with the IRS. I simply told my wife the IRS would never call, they use certified mail. We called our local police department to report the scam.
I'll bet the police were thrilled that you called to report a scam phone call. I once walked into the Hermosa Beach, Calif police station to report a wrong way drive I had just narrowly missed. They looked at me like I was crazy.
@@joshm3342 I told them about it because it involved them. The scammer claimed there was a warrant for my wife's arrest and they would have the police come get her if we didn't give them money. I used a non-emergency number so there wasn't an issue. The person that answered the phone seemed to appreciate the call, but perhaps it was a slow day.
They've drawn me twice, once in each county I've lived in. The first time, I was a full-time college student and used that as my legal exception. They only needed my voter registration, if I remember right. Where I currently live, they sent a questionnaire for me to fill out and enter the pool. A few months later, they picked me. But they didn't need me to report, so they dismissed me. They had a website portal they told me to keep an eye on, though they also sent me a text about my dismissal. Both of those counties are adjacent to one another and the county line splits the "big city" down the middle. Question any fine you can pay over the phone. Especially a fine for an offense you're not aware of.
@@edletain385 They tried this on me, but they demand that I pay with Bitcoin. I laughed at the fool who could barely speak English, then wasted a half hour as I shot down each attempt of his to con me.
The only time I missed jury duty was when I was 19. It was over the holidays and I didn't get the summons until two days after I was supposed to appear. So I called the court in a panic (I didn't realize that honestly missing jury duty one time wasn't that big a deal). The clerk laughed and said that with the holidays they'd been late going out, and then the mail delay ended up causing the problem. She laughed and said, "Don't worry about it-you're about the 20th caller I've had today with the same problem".
I’ve been selected for jury duty a few times. The first two times I was excused for very legitimate reasons of hardship. Once I received a notice but completely forgot about it. About 3 months after the fact, I came across the notice in a pile on my desk. I called my attorney and asked what I should do. The first thing he asked was if it was received by certified mail. I said, “no, it was regular mail. So, what should I do about this notice?” His response was, “what notice?” His advice was to not respond at all because doing so should be an admission that I received the notice and failed to act on it. I never received, to my knowledge, any other notices about the issue.
Don't know where you live, but in 50 years of receiving notifications for jury duty (California and Florida), NOT ONE was ever sent ANYTHING but regular mail.
Especially if you have a very personal reason to nullify ANY jury you're on. I have that reason and it's one that can only be removed if an act of violence is committed
A buddy of mine was selected for Jury Duty. After the jury was empaneled and before the start of the trial, the judge asked the members of the jury if they had any questions. My friend asked, "We're here because the state called us to be here and we're getting paid by the state for our time?" The judge said, "That's right. What's your question?" My friend asked, "When will the defense be given the opportunity to bid for our services?" The judge told him that he was dismissed.
The first time I was called for jury duty ( in the 80's), It was for a minimum 2 wk stint. ( you could potentially sit in the jury pool room for the entire 2 weeks and never be called.) I got called twice, one for a trial that lasted a week, and another that lasted a few hrs. The worst part was the fact that I was working Swing shift at the time, and we had a clause in our contract that said that if you were released for the day before your shift was half over, you had to come in and finish your shift. Since I always got off jury duty before then, I had to grab a quick dinner, and head in to work, work till midnight, go home, get some sleep, get up, go to jury duty... The last time I was called, it had been changed to 1 day. That time, nobody was ever called, and they eventually let us go home early. With our jury summons, if the timing is inconvenient, you can ask to have it postponed to a later date.
When I still lived in California, I served jury duty every 13 to 15 months without fail. According to the summons I received, this was all by "random selection." Right.
I've received a jury summons on a pretty regular schedule like that, although not quite as frequently. One day at work I was talking to one of my co-workers, and it dawned on me that the regular amount of time had passed and I hadn't seen a jury summons. It showed up in my mailbox the very next day... literally, the next day! I had to laugh about that one.
I guess the worry often is the rest of the jury might end up treating lawyers as an authority, making it less trial by a jury off one's peers and just a trial by a jury off Steve Lehto. Alternatively the rest of jury might just ignore you on the grounds that no one likes lawyers until they need one 😀
Another funny story is my sister got called for Jury Duty, the notification info from the county came to our dads house weirdly enough but my sister was currently wearing an orange jumpsuit in the county jail. This was around 2005, shes since gotten her life together, got a business degree and runs a restaurant.
That just Made me think of a hypothetical that could probably never happen but I think would be hilarious. So your sister gets a jury duty summons in the mail, right? Well she's in jail and they've asked her to sit on the jury for her own trial. 😂
I could see it happening, jury pools are often drawn from DMV records, and I don't think DMV records shows if the person was incarcerated or not. My last jury notice went to my parents' house because I just moved out, and haven't updated my address on my license yet. That was going to be a fun case (murder), I was dismissed by the judge after being in the selection process for three days, what happened is they'll select a pool of potential juries out of the general pool (it was like an auditorium, so I would say 200+ people that initial day), then they'll select the juries and backup out of the initial pool selected (I think about 40 or so).
@@lrock48 Yeah, I thought it was weird because we had been moved out for quite some time, both of us. She hadn't lived at my dads house in a few year's so with all the trouble she had been in he showed it to me and I wrote something like "(sisters name) is currently an inmate at such and such county jail," and sent it back. We never heard another thing about it and I dont think she has either.
@@Mewse1203 It did happen but she was only being held on some charges in our county on something much smaller. She was in huge trouble in a couple counties over and got sent there for a trial later on.
@@Mewse1203 Reminded me of an episode of Bonanza. Hoss was on trial for murder, the traveling Circuit Judge appointed all the men in the first couple of rows of seats to be Jurors. Ben Cartwright stood up and objected, I cannot be a Juror in my son's murder trial. When I watched that as a kid, I thought he was a fool, he could have hung the Jury if the others wanted to hang Hoss. Still think he was a fool.
I had gotten one of these calls a few years ago, they said I had a warrant for not showing up to jury duty (the time frame they gave me, I was active duty military at the time, and I was deployed overseas) I pretty much told them I was active duty military and was deployed at that time frame and was exempt, and referred them to the JAG office. I never heard back from them since.
This scam was popular in SD 5 yrs ago. I have 3 college degrees and was tired and in a hurry, and I fell for this one. The guy making the call spoke perfect english, no incorrect grammer, he could pronounce the name of my county and city which are Native American and most people who are not local can not say correctly. I gave him my credit card number and rushed to my meeting. I apologized for being late and told them I had been delayed by this phone call about missing jury duty. 6 people said SCAM and I excused myself and called my credit card co before they had time to use it. Steve thank you for taking the time to put this information out , I enjoy your channel because it is often amusing, but you also give a lot of good advice and all of us need it sometime.
I had to fill out a questionnaire for Jury Duty, I said I will have a high high high level of distrust of the prosecutors because I think every single one has committed a Brady violation. Never got called, go figure.
I actually would love to serve. I've been called three times, twice put on standby (call the automated system the night before and enter the provided ID number) and once I'd have loved to serve (unusual murder-by-crossbow case) but had to arrange to get dismissed for economic reasons.
@@stewartmschwartz4759 I guess my twenty years of active military service means nothing, I told the truth on the questionnaire because it is what I have seen. Should I lie to be "patriotic"?
We get numerous scam calls spoofing various phone numbers (majority in WA state) The absolute best one listed the caller as calling from MY OWN PHONE! When's the government going to do something about these scams?? ESPESCIALLY those from a certain large country that begins with an "I"!! Keep up the GREAT work and information, Mr LEHTO!
I moved from California to Oregon. I lived in Oregon long enough to reach resident status, got my driver's license, and registered to vote. The house in California was being rented to my cousin. She got a jury summons at the California house sent to me. She threw it away. Several months later a sheriff showed up with a warrant for me. She gave a notice the sheriff let demanding I show up and turn myself in to my mother. Mom then called me to tell me I had to turn myself in for arrest. I was shocked. I had a small child and no way to travel over 400 miles. Mom got me the number for the courthouse, no internet and certainly nothing but landlines. After talking to the jury clerk she told me it was true that there was a warrant for me and demanded I turn myself in immediately. I actually started laughing. I asked her why they were trying to arrest a legal Oregon resident for not showing up for jury duty. The summons was sent almost a month after I had received my driver's license. She got very quiet, asked for my license number, called to verify the information I gave her, apologized, canceled the warrant, and sent me a letter to again apologized for the mistake. I was just 20 years old. It was shocking to think I could have been arrested. I assumed that in getting a license in Oregon would have erased my resident in California. I was wrong. The clerk said they use last known address and go no further to find you. It was a very strange system. I say "was" as it was quite a long time ago and who knows what they do now.
People used to do that a lot, but many jurisdictions now order you to appear before a judge if you don't show up. Also, there is no hardship excuse in California and some other states for trials lasting seven days or less. You can reschedule your service, though.
My husband was trying to get out of jury duty a few years back because he was working out of state a lot so he took a book with him. The book he took was Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century by Tom Woods and it worked the DA dismissed him during voir dire.
I actually forgot to do the "call in and see if you need to come in" thing once because it was Thanksgiving weekend and I was supposed to call Sunday night. Halfway through the next week I finally remembered. Called the court, they were very nice and asked if I could reschedule. Couple months later I got called, went in for my one day and done. Easy peasy
Any time you receive a call from anyone representing an agency or organization, even/especially if you think it may be a legitimate call, tell them you'll call them back. Do not use the number they supply, but look up that agency or organization's number on your own and call it, ask for them. If they are legitimately part of that organization, you will reach them.
Very good point. For a while here the Canadian version of the IRS used a phone company that for some reason the call display showed a US city. Needless to say no one would talk to them and they got a lot of abuse.
@@wholeNwon Hence why I will *NEVER* feel bad for the person scammed. I've had hundreds of scam calls, texts, ect over the years; and I never encountered a *single* scam that anyone with 2 braincells would fall for. If you fall for a scam, it's because you're not smart.
In Oregon I have been summoned several times and to be very honest it is never a coincidence on the timing. The last time in the county where I reside I was dismissed because of my level of education and it (in my opinion would have been a conflict of interest to serve). Thanks Lehto’s law good topic.🤔❤️🇺🇸
~@14:00 I have had issues with the USPS delivering mail to me at my established address. Often I would get mail for someone on "Myroad Ct" when I live on "Myroad Rd" in the same ZIP code. Yes, I have complained and all complaints are handled by the local PO - which IMO white washes any problem away. I have had the same issue with DMV notices. My complaint/philosophy that if there is NO tracking number, the item was never mailed.
Steve has so much common sense and a stellar sense of humor. I have found such people to be the best as they can laugh at themselves and know whether someone is peeing on their boots or if it's just raining. Keep up the good work.
I appreciate the great lengths you went to, to avoid using the word "Indian". A true lawyer and a true TH-camr who wants to keep a global audience satisfied!
Just to repeat something Steve said: Courts generally do not have a "financial department." They have clerks, and clerks have access to case data; I wouldn't expect a deputy to just have it offhand, but if they're legit they ought to be able to connect you with the appropriate county clerk to review the supposed warrants (as well as jury summons and other administrative details). If they don't even pretend to do that much, they probably shouldn't be trying to scam as a court. Also I'm pretty sure impersonating a deputy or clerk or other officers of the court is, you know, extremely illegal, but good luck catching these people.
Actual conversation I've had with a judge (not in court) w.r.t. US Post... "I have a mailbox, if that's what your asking. It doesn't always contain MY mail. I can only assume others are, from time to time, getting my mail just as I'm getting theirs." I can't go to the post office (which one? there are two that touch my mail) for things I don't know they didn't deliver. There was a time at a former apartment complex where they hired a small, very old chinese guy as the carrier. If he spoke english, he never did around me. For six months, not a single thing was put in the correct box. I do not know how he passed the civil service exam. Even certified/registered mail was mishandled (by a different carrier.) A friends wedding invitation was illegally signed for by the carrier and placed in my mailbox -- which could just as easily been the wrong box. I bitched about that to the postmaster. (I knew that was coming because she sent me a picture of mailing it.) PS: Fedex and UPS do the same stupid thing. Two parallel roads with the same street numbers. (that's on USPS, btw; they set those numbers!) On occasion, I get my neighbors packages because apparently they can't tell the difference between a 5 and 7. (As opposed to the rural post office from my youth. He knew every single person he delivered mail to -- several hundred people. The above mentioned complex has 900! boxes. And there are 3 more similar complexes around it.)
@@jfbeam I should have qualified my response....generally speaking, at least my neck of the woods, that is what is done. I do get tired of getting run into the ground for the mistakes of others. Anyway, sorry you have had such poor experience. It is also very common to have identical numbers on adjacent streets. I haven't seen many routes where this didn't occur at least once. Postal service also has many vacant routes and often carriers come from other offices every day just to try to get them done. I have worked many 14 hr days doing this. Sorry to drone on, hope a little insight from man on the ground helps. I love to go back and forth in discussions with folks as long as they don't get nasty. We can all learn a thing or two.
@@dirtfarmer7070 It varies. I have scans of dead books from the 1800's showing street names and numbers -- assigned ("made up") by the surveyor. Obviously there was no E911 back then, and in fact, there was no fire department for that property. The government keeps track of property by PIN, which in those days was a literal brass pin on a stone marker. We still use PINs, but stone markers are getting rare. The apartment complex I once lived in had street names and building numbers assigned by the builder (i.e. their engineering firm.) And is pretty much hard zoned for those building. If you remove those buildings and string up houses, there isn't enough number space. The city is perfectly ok with that. Again, they have their PINs, and EMS has their physical location. USPS in this case doesn't care, as everything goes to the mail center in the center of the complex. Anything too big to fit in those boxes, they take to the office. I don't recall USPS ever bringing anything to my door. (even certified/registered mail was mishandled and stuffed in my mailbox.) Long ago, in a different county, when a 911 system was originally created, yes, _they_ had to create street addresses for thousands of points. It was a major job, and ended up a massive mess. One's mailbox was rarely adjacent to one's house. "Rural Route" boxes tended to get clustered to make it easier for the (too often) single postal carrier. In our case, the box is on a different street. As the house number was assigned by driveway, our address would technically be in a different city (zip). The boundary for the zipcode is the creek, which is (+/-) where the road used to be (in the 20's!) If you apply that number to our mailbox, it's about 300ft from where is should be -- between two houses. If you don't pay attention to the number, you'll end up on the same named road about 10mi away. Nobody thought that one all the way through, but in the 1800's when they named them, it would've been silly to confuse the road well outside the city to the one _in_ the city.
My county has an opt in text system for notifications when you get the summons. They also email any changes so you do not have to call. Seeing that text or email saying "You do NOT have to report" is awesome. Spent half a day there once, but at least a friend had it in the same courtroom.
Is it illegal to not check you mail or email? Because I think longest I've gone not checking my mail box was like 6 months lol online banking has made it obsolete for almost everything
Some apparatchiks also seem to think that I'm obligated to have a telephone or email address. The telephone thing is really stupid... I can pay my property taxes by check via mail and they accept it and cash it without incident. But if I show up in person (where I'm recorded on a security camera!) suddenly my phone number on the check is essential.
Sometimes I don't go into town to check the mail for a week. There are times when I'm out of touch for several weeks. I'm going to be running the Grand Canyon in a few weeks and will not receive mail or phone messages for four weeks. Maybe some cop will arrest me at the take out for "contempt".
The best solution is to never answer your phone unless you recognize the name or number. If legit they'll leave a message. These scammers likely won't leave one. I've served on enough juries for several lifetimes so now during the questioning phase I ask if we're allowed to see a mug shot of the defendant. I want to see who they really are, not how their makeover for court looks---or something along that line. If the lawyers ask absurd questions, so can I. Works like a charm.
I look forward to scamming callers. I can waste their time and have fun. I always drag things out and waste their time and effort. You win when they get angry and hang up on YOU.
I’ve had notifications twice but never had to go. My Dad had to go every week for a couple months. He was an ex-cop. Every time he got to the selection process and said that, they said, “Thank you, you’re excused.”
I got dismissed from a criminal trial once (accused of murdering his parents, a year apart), I think the defendant choosing to representing himself has a lot to do with it.
I had the same scam happen to right after New Years I had moved from Georgia to Illinois 2 years ago and the message they left was I needed to call a deputy. I called and basically got the same scam. I just hung up and called the sheriff department from the county they claimed they were from and spoke to the deputy that answered the phone said they don’t call if you miss jury duty and ask for money to get warrants released. The deputy wasn’t interested in any information or taking a report. Called the local department here in Illinois and they weren’t interested either.
I served on jury duty once. I enjoyed it. In my county you age out for jury duty at age 70. We found that out when my husband got “that call” about missing jury duty. He didn’t fall for it, but I understand how the elderly could.
I had jury duty multiple times. Two of the most interesting were a Coroner's Jury. I don't know if they still have those. The function of the Coroner's jury was to determine whether death resulted from suicide, accident or murder. The case involved the death of an infant and was brutal. The other case involved attempted murder. I was sitting on a bench next to the court room talking to a happy smiling young man. Once inside I realized he was the defendant. He was happy because his lawyer was incredibly gifted. In just five minutes this kindly old gentleman had convinced us that he would never defend a client that could possibly be guilty. This was during the Hillside strangler case and the women of the evening there to testify were roaming the halls.
I've served once for a civil case and once for criminal, both were interesting and I wouldn't mind doing it again. Although I should add I don't want to end up on a jury that gets sequestered for a long time. I received a jury questionnaire when they were picking people in my area for the Cosby case. Thank goodness I didn't get roped into that fiasco.
Around 30 years ago when I first moved to the county I now live, a Jury Duty notice was delivered by a County Deputy Sheriff to make sure it was received by the correct person. Now they are just sent out by U.S. mail. With the number of pieces of mail I have been given for other addresses I wouldn't guarantee everyone got the summons that was sent to them.
My mom has been registered for jury duty since the 60’s and had never been called for jury duty, I’ve been registered since the early 90’s and I’ve had about half a dozen times, only had to go to the courthouse once. I didn’t get picked but one of the others that didn’t get looked just like John Cougar Mellencamp but he was a retired dept. of homeland security agent.
Thank you for putting this out! I just got called today and it was very convincing...they spoofed the number to the local sheriff, they verified my information, provided a case number and badge numbers...luckily I was able to have someone else call the local sheriff's office to verify and the dispatcher said it was a scam and advised me to hang up...who do I report this to? The FCC of the FBI?
I've had those letters a few times while living in Michigan. Most told me not to bother when I called the day before. Once I had to show up and actually got selected. I learned quite a lot about the law during those three days and actually developed quite a bit of respect for the judge with the way he handled everything (ironically the same one who had handled my divorce many years beforehand). The last jury summons was the one that really worried me because it was for a date after I was moving to another state. Actually it was nothing to be concerned about because after I spoke to the court, they were able to verify that I had recently purchased a house in Tennessee and already hired a moving company.
I've lost count of the number of times I've been called for jury duty. Back in the 70s in Los Angeles County you had to report in person for an entire month and could end serving on several juries. The new system with "one day or one trial" is much more convenient. In the early 2000s they would you send you a summons which you had to complete and return, and then you might get called to appear. I had a coworker who said she never sent it back in. I gave her a very hard time so she sent it back and then got called. She was miffed. I know at that time if you didn't appear when called there was a large fine and you still had to serve.
I think your memory is faulty. The truth is you were called for a week or a jury if selected. If you were not called for a jury you sat in a room every day for a week. This is no longer done that way.
@@walterarrit5511 I was called for jury duty in 1976 and 1981 in Los Angeles and the term of service was one month. When You finished one case you went back to the jury assembly room waiting to be called for another. In 1976 I served on three cases. In 1981 it was one six week case. My employer paid me for my service.
@@jimtyndall1267 I had a similar experience around the same time. Day after day I sat in a room and never was called for jury duty. In the upper desert you are called for a trial and if it is plea bargained or you don't survive void dire (spelling?) Then your jury duty is over for the year.
I got one of those call from “the Secret Service” about a warrant for my arrest. I kept asking who was coming to arrest me, a federal agent or county sheriffs deputy. About the third time I asked if I had time to take a shower before they came to my door they hung up.
i am 46 and i had been summoned about 20 times at least... i was only selected once to sit on the jury... but i had to show up and spend my day playing on my phone while getting paid like $5 :D
Yep, while everyone working in the courthouse gets minimum wage by law. I've never been called, in nearly fifty years of being a registered voter. I think I'm on some sort of list ...
Steve I finally got you. Some arrest warrants in some locations are issued for failure to pay a fine, child support, etc... and those warrants often have a bail amount set, which is what owed, which will resolve the ARREST Warrant if that amount is collected, usually as bail. We used to get child support warrants, with the amount owed as the listed bail, and if they paid the amount the warrant was resolved and recalled without further court appearances. Same thing with some for failure to pay a fine. Dead Beat "parents" would carry the amount owed and withhold paying it until they were arrested.
I'd like to thank you for your service good sir. My landlord just made 2 major legal mistakes, and I know exactly what to do about it lol. Decided to raise my rent with 8 months left on a 3 year lease, and never offered a lease before raising the rent lol. I sent a polite knock it off email, and will be getting a lawyer asap lol. But I'm poor so that should be fun.
I just say “Come and get me copper!” In my best 1930s gangster voice lol I had one ID himself as Agent Mathew Smith. “You don’t sound like a Mathew Smith you sound like my friend Mr. Patel.” 😂
In my Texas town, the scammers are doing a similar con; however, they're spoofing the courthouse's number. I found out about it through our town's official Facebook page.
I haven't got these, but lately I've been getting a lot of scam calls spoofing legitimate numbers of banks and credit unions, so when I search the numbers displayed, it'll show up as the banks or the credit union, but usually it's the general number instead of the fraud department, which they claimed to be calling from.
Living in Canada, I constantly receive robocalls telling me 'Revenue Service Canada' (which doesn't exist, of course) wants to talk to me about money owing and if I don't follow their blind link I will be arrested. All told there are a dozen holes in this scam, STARTING WITH their "International Caller" on my caller ID. These calls have served as a good example for me to use to educate my son on how to identify scams.
About one month after my dad passed away, he got a Jury Summons. I figured, I'll let the county figure it out, cause they should have access to records like a death certificate. Later they sent the nastygram, if you don't show up, etc. So I called the office, they took care of it from there. Why would I assume one entity, would have access to another government entity's records?
Because each department/agency commission their own in house software and there are no communication, resource and the fear of disclosure to create a government wide database to have all the information accessible in one place.
One month might be too early, especially given that the names are drawn somewhat in advance of notices going out. When my dad died, it took some time to get appointed to handle his estate, and I was paranoid about something like identity theft because he'd recently had problems with mail theft. About a month after he died, his voter registration and drivers license were cancelled by the state, so I then only had to handle the non-government stuff like credit cards after getting appointed to handle his affairs. It might have been more of a problem if he had died out of state so the state wouldn't have gotten a death certificate filed, but some states do have their shit together on stuff that happens in their state.
the one time i had to go to jury duty, (i found this out at the end) but there was a bomb threat at another local courthouse, so they evacuated everyone but us jurors and the security guard watching us.....kinda pissed me off.
In 1976 I went to basic & AIT training. When I finally finished & was back home a piece of mail showed up. It had been forwarded from my original address to every base I had been assigned to. It was over 6 months old so I called thinking I was going to jail & the clerk of court told me not to worry about it after I explained what happened.
What is scary to me is that they're actually using relevant information. Finding a kansas resident(former) or in the other one you mentioned said to pass the info on to her son.
If they’re making thousands of these calls daily, sooner or later they’ll hit on someone who did once live in some particular place. Americans do tend to move around a lot.
A couple of decades ago, one of the courts in downtown Raleigh NC ran out of jurors. So the judge sent his bailiff outside and instructed him to start pulling people in off the sidewalk. Lots of folks had to call their boss and tell them why they weren't coming back to work that day.
The best way to handle a call like this is to ask them what your name is. If they're for real, then they're going to know exactly who the warrant is out for. Sometimes they'll be able to check the name against an online phone book, but usually not. It's a very good way to fish out 90% of these scams.
I've gotten jury summonses 3 times in my life. Twice for regular jury duty, and once for Federal Grand Jury duty. I had just moved from Florida, to Nebraska and I missed that privilege of serving on a Federal Grand Jury. In the case of the Federal Grand Jury, in that jurisdiction the Federal Grand Jury sits for a full 18 months and the Federal Court System pays all expenses, up to and including travel, your normal wages, and meals in Miami, because that's where the Federal Grand Jury meets to discuss cases up to and including terrorism, drug running, gun running, and other crimes that rise to the level of Federal Prosecution. I would have dearly loved to sit at that for the full term of 18 months. It would have been an exciting experience and one I would have been proud to have served for my country.
I’ve been threatened so many times by scammers. They hate being called out and laughed at. It’s become a game to see how long I can keep them on the line to keep them from bothering someone else.
I've been called 3 times for jury duty. One time I was picked and put in the jury pool in the court room. It was exciting. My name was called to have a seat in the jury box so I'm sitting with 11 other people and the judge starts asking each of us questions. When it came my turn, I answered his questions, then he asked is there any reason why you shouldn't be on this jury. I said my daughter is a paralegal who worked for one of the attorney's who is connected with this case. Well, I was told by the judge, "You are dismissed". I really wanted to serve but couldn't.
I just did jury duty in South Australia. very similar but clunky system. We get summoned for a month. during that month you're part of a section. The night before we get messaged and advised whether our section needs to be present for the selection pool the following day. If the section is called, you attend the jury pool room, the jury manager briefs us on the type of case and then ask "if anyone present has a reason to not serve said case". Then the remaining jury is taken to the court room and ballots drawn for the jury. The lawyers aka "councils" already have a list of our public information, age, gender, occupation, etc.
Imagine actually serving and then telling your kids: "Oh yeah...you were born at a murder trial and you were born at a trial for a money laundering operation" ...
In our County, we get called every two to three years. Each time for a week unless selected. They allow us to provide our cell number so they can text us if needed.
Any time they want gift cards you MUST assume its a scam. At one time all scams were new. Thanks for exposing this one as I have been ignoring jury duty notices since I was 70.
Hey Steve! You think you had fun! I was tagged for jury duty once twenty years ago. The form I filled out once I got to the jury waiting room, asked "have you ever been arrested". Further down on the form it said if you answered yes to any of the questions above you must explain here. I thought that question was illegal but I answered it anyway, So, I said to myself "why not?" I wrote the following. "Murder, attempted murder, aggravated assault, aggravated battery, multiple counts of aggravated grievous bodily harm, theft of Government property, destruction of Government property, black marketering, conduct unbecoming an officer, exceeding designated authority, and resisting arrest. We were then seated in the court room. I watched the Judge thumbing through the forms we had all filled out. He glanced at mine and kept going. Then he stopped and quickly flipped back to my form. He called my name and told me stand up. I did, He read out loud what I had written. The people seated next to me on the bench started to slide away from me. LOL, you had to be there. The judge said, "Sir, do you care to explain what you have written?" Me: Your honor those were the charges I faced in early 1975 while stationed in Nam. My courts Martial exonerated me of all charges. I was returned to my rank, my medals were restored, and I did not even have to pay a fine!" I was told to leave and never come back. True story!
I never got that far. I could have told them that I was arrested at Ft. Rucker for diving a vehicle that wasn't on my license. The funny part was, it was the same one ton Ford work truck that I took my driving test in. My 'one phone call' was to the civilian I worked for. I told him that they had screwed up my license and asked him to check the other electronics sections to check theirs as well. Over 20 were wrong, so they had to let m go, and all of us received the proper licenses. I had been stopped for running a stop sign, leading to the Officers housing. The MP had to take several minutes to bend tree branches out of the way to uncover the sign, and told me that I had to know it was there. I had only been on base about two weeks, and that was my first time on that part of the base. He called me a liar, and told me to follow him to their compound.. After that day, I had no use for the MPs. Twice, I got one in trouble with their watch commander when they blocked me from where I needed to work. Just the name of my section got them royally chewed out by their commander. Weathervision was mission critical to keep two schools open, the main school being the Helicopter flight school where we trained Medivac pilots for Vietnam.
There is a problem with the date you quoted you were in Vietnam. As a mercenary required by the Paris Accord we replaced all but a handful of uniformed military. I heartily believe you need to check things out before making up ridiculous stories.
@@walterarrit5511 You were just a Merc. My Vietnam "experience" includes many Months in Cambodia, Laos. Thailand and Vietnam. I call it my "Vietnam Experience" because I would have to write for way too long telling were I was each day. I started working for Air America and then got caught up being a "spook". Of course that was 50 years ago. I really do not feel like explaining myself to a "gun for hire". I rarely found your type to be honorable. After all you were there only for the money. BTW I never said the courts martial took place in the country of Viet Nam. Did you really believe the Government when they told you almost all the American troops had gone home? LMAO We were hiding just across the border waiting to see if we would be thrown back into a useless war. I can say that because I fought the War for almost 5 years. I did not jump in at the end for a nice paycheck. You people at the bottom of the totem pole often do not have a clue what goes on at the top. You angered me when you called my humorous story ridiculous. I have allowed my anger to make me say too much. Even though it has been 50 years, I still have to answer to some people.
@@michaelsuerth1448 I spent two years as a top secret document controller starting just before the Paris peace treaty was signed. I know all about the 05charliesbsending traffic from Laos and Cambodia. I also spent four years as a 12bravo. Your traffic went from me to DIRNSA,. Where you got the idea that I don't know about Laos and Cambodia is a mystery to me.
@@walterarrit5511 You should have started with you were a document controller in your original reply. You made it sound like you were just a Mercenary. The typical Mercs I new, would shoot me in the back for the right price and they were NOT trustworthy! I got a whole in my gut to prove how untrustworthy some were. They often bugged out when it got too hot. If you were not one of them, then I apologize for my earlier statement. Come to think of it we may have eaten some of the same dirt. I remember dropping off all sorts of documents in your area and at times beg, borrow, or steal certain equipment (enough said) Of course one visit and I might be a second Lt in the Marines, another visit a week later I might be dressed as a Major in the Army. I was a spook. However I got training in Quantico , Fort Dix NJ, Benning, to name a few. I have already talked too much so as one 70+ year old to another I hope your nightmares are few and the years you have left be kind.
I have received 4 jury duty summons over the last ~30 years. The first one I had to sit in the room with everyone else and right before lunch a person came out and told us the person decided to accept a plea then dismissed us. The next 2 I just had to call the number every evening for a week but never had to show up. The last one I got to sit in the room again and wait all day. they had several different groups all waiting quite a few got called to go through the selection process. by the end of the day my group was dismissed and I just had to call every evening for the rest of the week.
@@realalbertan this guy has no clue what he is talking about. courts in the US issue warrants for unpaid fines all the time. can't expect people who have never known the cold hands of justice to really understand how the sistem works.
Ive had the "family court" in Barry County Michigan and their "Friend of the Court" claim that they sent notice of hearings in the mail when i fact they did not. They actually admitted to me that they "forgot" at first but then changed their story when the opponent's attorney asked them to sign a document stating that they did in fact send it to me. Ive recorded every conversation since then.
I’ve been called a bunch of times. I was a police dispatcher for forty years, which doesn’t excuse one from jury duty, but places a hardship on the safety of the community and my co-workers. The first time, they asked me if I knew any of the parties in the case, a burglary, as I recall, but from a neighboring police agency. I answered that I knew the arresting officer, the investigating officer, the prosecutor, hi your honor, been fishing lately, and you at the defendant’s table, haven’t we arrested you as well? It took five excuses for the prosecutor to finally thank and excuse me. I was shocked!
I have a couple of good jury duty stories, but this one seems most relevant: When I lived in San Francisco they could call you for jury duty once a year, and you were on call for two weeks every time. You ALWAYS had to go in the first day and say hi, but on that day you would be assigned to a group with a color name and you had to call every evening to see if they wanted you the next morning, and sometimes they would say call between 10:30 and noon to see if we want you in the afternoon. Tough to deal with if you worked out of town. If they called you to a courtroom folks not selected were told to go back to the jury pool room and check in again and see what they want you to do. And so, on one of my many times serving in the pool, I go in Monday, wait all day for nothing. No jury Tuesday, but they do want me Wednesday morning. We get in, I am chosen as an alternate, and we hear a hit-and-run case that was an absolute waste of everyone's time (different story) They close on Friday morning, and the empaneled jury goes off to the Chamber of Judgement. Judge says I could leave if I wanted but to be available if needed. I said if it's OK I'll wait and see what happens. Judge says OK, cool. Jury comes back in about 1/2 an hour; not guilty, and I privately agreed with that. Judge has closing remarks and among other things says "Ladies and gents of the jury, thank you for your service, and have a great weekend." And here I sincerely believed I had done my service and was finished for the year. About a month later I got a letter from the Jury Commissioner's office that said, "Hey, you owe us another week of jury duty pal." I was pretty surprised but I did what they wanted and THEN we were through for the year.
I know for a fact if my sheriff had a warrant for me, i would not get a phone call, but if I did get a call, my protocol is to call the courthouse and verify. Oh, FYI I record incoming calls.
The easiest way to get out of jury duty is to announce immediately that you are prejudice to the local DA and that no matter who gets put in front of you you were going to set them free with a non-guilty verdict no matter what the judge will send you home immediately
Last time I had Jury Duty I just wore: Ripped Jeans, Cowboy boots, biker t shirt, Biker vest with lots of offensive patches. Every time they herded us in a room to ask questions, they would never ask me anything and just tell me I can go back to the main sitting room and hang out. They don't even want to ever ask me questions from the way I look, and I get out of Jury Duty...Nothing sucks worse than sitting on a stupid jury trying to stay awake while lawyers argue about everything under the sun except did the actual event even happen.... I got better ways to spend my life.
Steve, another good video. That said, please do videos about how things happen, as you mentioned in the front end of this video. Your video are all about educating, plus they are indeed entertaining.
Except for the elderly. They prey on them and know that they aren't really in a situation to understand what is going on. As I understand it though if they do get caught it's a larger punishment for scamming the elderly, which it should be.
Same. Even if it was convincing up till then, the minute you realize you're in a grocery store buying prepaid cards (instead of just paying by phone, check, or electronic transfer), you shouldn't go any further.
Jury duty should be voluntary, and people should have to be added to a list, if they want the opportunity to serve. It's not a fair trial, if six people on the trial are pissed about having to be there. I've always had a problem with the concept of peers in America as well, because if someone isn't in the same age group, has the same sex, same race, same nationality, etc., then that's not a peer at all.
Imagine large groups of people, motivated by decades of being taught that other large groups have been unfair to them, volunteering for every jury they can find.
"She works with the elderly and teaches them about fraud." Don't rely on any information a caller provides to confirm their validity. Perform a completely independent verification. Glad she shared her experience. Good video, Thanks.
For many years Teton County Wyoming used voter registration records to find jurors. Since I've never voted this kept me off their radar. They started including other records and I eventually got a notice that I was liable to be called for a certain period. Fair enough. It turns out that, when I checked the mail after a several week pack trip, I found a notice that I'd been called to appear several days earlier. Tossed it, never heard from them again.
In the past, I call seeing long lists of prospective jurors(the Jury Pool) publish in the legal notices in the newspaper. Criminals/fraudsters could misuse this information.
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I can't imagine a lawyer alive who would want another lawyer on the jury of a case s/he's defending.
I've let lawyers be on juries I've chosen. And I know attorneys who have been selected. (And if lawyers were so bad, you'd think that one side would want them while the other would not. Why would BOTH sides not want them?)
@@stevelehto It is case by case evaluation I guess. You will always select the jury that you think is most beneficial for your case? And so will also the prosecutor.
If I were innocent I would love to have about eight or nine lawyers on my jury. .. in the last half century of eligibility, I've never been called for jury duty. I'm curious, do judges explain jury nulafacation?
@@j.rbry.8990 At least in my state, judges absolutely do not mention jury nullification. They do ask, however, whether you will base your decision solely on what the law is.
@@j.rbry.8990 You are not allowed to mention jury nullification, the mention can get a mistrial, and the person who brings it up in deep doo doo. My guess is that it must be something so egregious that the jury spontaneously decides to toss the law as written out the window.
So, I'm severely disabled. I was summoned to the city of Taylor Michigan for jury duty when I lived in Taylor. I was semi mobile back then, so I wanted to do "my civic duty". So, I show up to the "paid from the Gardener White speed trap new fancy courthouse". My care giver drops me off and the officer at the door told me no cellphones. I ask how I am supposed to call my caregiver to pick me up when I was done. The officer told me there was a payphone that I can use. So, the judge comes in after we watch "the video" and says that the case was just settled and we were free to go. So, I go back downstairs to the "change window" I ask the lady to break my dollar so I can use the payphone to call my ride. She gives me this sneer and says "We don't break change for the payphone here, this is the window people pay their fees and such". I'm like lady I can't call my ride then. She said that was not her problem. So, whatever, I ask the folks in line if they can break the dollar. It was no problem. So, then I walk over to THE ONE AND ONLY PAYPHONE IN THE COURTHOUSE. The payphone had a note on it that it was out of order. So, I go over to the officer at the metal detector and ask what can I do. He says, "sorry about your luck, I think there are still payphones at the gas station at Goddard and Telegraph". I'm like, sir, I am disabled and it's February and since I was in the courthouse, I left my coat with my caregiver. He says, "sorry about your luck buddy there's nothing we can do". I was shocked by the lack of empathy and the ease to just blow me off. So, I got very sad and angry, and I walked right outside the courthouse and plopped my butt right in the snow right in front of the building. Another police officer from another city was walking up to go into the courthouse and asked if I needed help. I mean I was in a polo shirt in the middle of February sitting on the ground smack dab Infront of the courthouse. I explained all the details that I previously mentioned, and the officer asked if I wanted to use his cellphone to call my caregiver. Well, I never accept any summons anymore and opt out due to medical issues. What those people did to me that day in that courthouse was shallow and evil.
They're demons. For real.
Government employees are required to follow the A. D. A. Seens a lawsuit was in order
Sue and open a gofundme
Our county dont allow cellphones but staff, judges, lawyers, gaurds ect, have their phones and sometimes go as far as to have phone conversations in the back of the courtroom.
A great example of why no decent man or woman wants to deal with them.
Don’t forget to wear your “Ask me about jury nullification” t-shirt.
I unfortunately needed to get out of already-rescheduled jury duty so I just objected to one of the charges during voir dire stating that I could never convict on that charge it was properly an aggravating factor at sentencing to be considered at trial (the charge was "Wearing body armor during the commission of a felony"). My legal "theory" was just plausible (if invalid) enough to get me excused. Like physicians, judges and trial lawyers dislike people who "do their own research".
I also had with me jury nullification literature if I needed it, and made a pain in the ass of myself by stepping outside to smoke and telling the bailiff "I'd be with him in a moment" when told I wasn't allowed to do that. The bastards did let me go before lunch, though. ;)
@@disorganizedorg Yeah, they don't like when you tell them to f off if they mention The Rules.
The attitude to avoid jury duty among so many is why we have such a screwed up legal system. It is our last chance as citizens to tell the ruling class we are not going to put up with their crap.
@@USMC6976 Advocate jurors lead to unjust outcomes.
@@ScottyAlmondjoy What leads to unjust outcomes are citizens that avoid one of their most important responsibilities as a citizen.
The IRS irrefutably asserts that, if they mailed you a notice, you received it. But, if the shoe is on the other foot, even if you have a USPS certified mail return receipt signed by the IRS, the IRS does not consider that proof that you sent something to them.
The gift card thing is quite a giveaway. If they ask for gift cards just hang up no matter what they say you have done
No I just talk naughty naughty things to these scamming scum , sooo fun making them mad AF !
I mean, pretty much them calling you and asking for money period is the dead giveaway. Crimes aren't typically resolved over the phone. I mean, think about it, even if they were, they have no way of knowing that the person they are currently talking to is the person of interest. And since they have no way of knowing if the person talking is the person of interest, they have no way of proving that they actually reached you by phone and therefore no way of proving you were served notice of your supposed misdeed.
Even legit debt collectors have to provide you with certain information and must contact you only in writing if you so request it. The exception, I believe, is legit companies you do business with, like say, your doctor, could call you and say 'We noticed you didn't pay your bill from such and such a date do you want to pay now'. If that happens you can just say 'Yeah, I'll pay by mail' or whatever. There is absolutely no scenario where somebody would be calling you and you are obligated to pay them over the phone, let alone in gift cards.
Yep. Dead giveaway.
Sir I'm sorry but we saw you shit your pants at the DMV so if you don't give us gift cards we're going to tell everybody.
I love it when I receive scam calls threatening me with arrest. I always tell them to come and get me, but they'll never take me alive.
Would anyone else enjoy listening to Mr. Lehto do an in depth video of the legal process of selecting a jury and what both attorneys have in mind when they are selecting them?
I believe he did do one some time ago, maybe check his previous videos… 👍
@@paulvandervelden4087 He went into great detail on the one he did sometime ago…
The problem is that every court in the country has its own system, so everything would end up very vague and often untrue simply by virtue of that.
I think they want dumb people
apparently wearing a shirt with a picture of brass knuckles and the text "I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose" is disqualifying for being a juror on an assault case.
I was sent a notice just once, 14 years ago, for jury duty. The form had 5 questions on it, and all were really looking for a yes answer. However, one of the questions said, "Have you ever been convicted of a felony?", to which I answered "NO". At the bottom of the form was a statement that said, "If you answered NO to any of the above questions you are not eligible to serve on a jury. Return this form and your name will be removed." I read and reread that form several times to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding something. Someone had obviously written the form incorrectly. So I saved a copy of it (just in case), and returned the original form. Never been called again, which is a shame because I would have gone, and still would; but I think I've been permanently excused due to an error in how the form was written.
Somewhere someone is wondering why they're only getting people who were convicted of a felony for jury duty.
I got a jury questionnaire form in the mail, seems like it included a vague threat to those who didn't comply so I filled it out and put it in the unstamped envelope provided and put it in a mailbox. To this day I wonder where it ended up.
I wish it was that easy for me, I’ve been getting these every single year for jury duty. Although I sent back with dates that I’ve already went. It hasn’t stopped, it’s been going on for 12 years now. I’m so frustrated with this jury duty junks.
I never make it out of voir dire. Either they exclude me for being a veteran, or as a veteran who served on a court-martial board. If I get past those the judge removes me on the question of whether I will follow the instructions in my deliberation (or words to that effect). My response is in the "I will listen carefully to all evidence and arguments presented, and then vote as my conscience dictates for a just result." Judges hate that because it treads into "jury nullification" territory. They like jurors who will vote the way the judge instructs them, rather than in the interest of justice. As a result I've never served on a jury. On the upside the judge usually signs off my paperwork to excuse me so I don't have to spend the rest of the day in the jury pool.
Shit I want it man I just got called but I won’t go I will call them fine me and take me to jail but I’m not your tool I’m serious bro
I just love that she took up 2+ hours of this scammer’s time.
I got a call like this awhile ago. I told the caller that this was a scam and had tracked his number (a lie) and was going to report them to the police. He hung up so fast…
My mother started answering the phone with “You’re on a recorded line…” and like 95% of the people who call drop immediately.
Love wasting a scammers time.
They hang up because they know they're not going to get anything out of you.
@@rockcityfpv9117 I love swearing at them and saying nasty things !
If it's a number I don't recognize,I usually answer with "State of Confusion Attorney Generals Office.Usually,"Bob" from India has no idea if there is such a place,and goes on with his script.I have been sworn at,threatened to be shot,and generally managed to piss off all but one or two.I have insulted their morals,their parentage,and may (or may not)have implied that their sisters swim out to meet troop ships.I'm old,and you have to get your fun when and where you can.
I received a jury duty summons for my wife who' had passed away three years prior. I called the court house and. explained that she is deceased, therefore incapable of attending. Two years later, I received another jury duty summons addressed to her, so I called again and explained again and included the previous experience. He said the only notation on her file was that she failed to show up. I said that you should be thankful that she didn't. That would be a terrible looking and smelling mess! He said that he would make sure it was properly handled this time.
I would not have bothered to call them. I would've just thrown it away because I have no obligation to inform the courts of anything.
@@420GratefulHippie exactly! what are they gonna do? arrest her?
@@420GratefulHippie Just write "DECEASED" on the envelope and give it back to the post office.
@@jimtyndall1267 Well if you do that and they find out you're not deceased, then you've committed fraud.
If you just ignore it and destroy the summons, you can just say you never ever received a summons.
They cannot prove that it was actually delivered since they chose not to use delivery confirmation, which the USPS provides free of charge.
@@420GratefulHippie I said that you should write "DECEASED" on the envelope and place it in the mail ONLY if the addressee is actually deceased. Don't them throw the summonses away because you may receive a visit from the law enforcement agency that provides court security and you may have to answer before a judge.
I know someone who either didn't receive their jury summons or ignored it and had to answer before a judge. The judge ordered their service one month later.
Government wants to rummage through your bank account. But, can'[t catch real scammers.
@@JohnTheRevelat0r General location a large percentage of the time is Gurugram, India. Just a smidge outside of US jurisdiction, me thinks. Though, a certain TH-camr in Europe finds these guys all the time.
Govnt can't make money off of scammers..
I once threw out a summons for Federal jury duty. They sent it to my parents address after I had been living in my own home for over 2 years. I figured, if the federal government doesn’t know where I live, I don’t have much to be worried about 😂
Some day you will be stopped for running a red light and you will find yourself face down on the pavement in cuffs with some cop's boot on your neck.
You wouldn't have to break a law to be in that situation.
@@robgrey6183 Kill the demon.
@@robgrey6183 He didn't say he was Black.
It’s been almost 20 years, I’m pretty sure the statue of limitations is up. Plus I and whichever lawyer I choose to employ am confident that I’d have an easy case to beat. It’s up to them to prove I even got it & I can clearly show proof that I hadn’t lived at my parent’s address for 2+ years. My parents are under no obligation to pass mail on at that point. Plus, I have been pulled over, ticketed, moved states, & gotten my CPL, I’m sure if it were a problem, I’d know by now. Plus, they would’ve sent a follow up letter or some G-men to my parent’s house to ask some questions.
I moved to New York City (Manhattan) in the 1980s. After 3 years I got my first jury duty summons, just as I was about to move to Brooklyn (different county, different courts). So, I avoided that one. After 7 years in Brooklyn I got my first summons there, just as I was about to move back to Manhattan. Keep slipping away. I've been in Manhattan ever since, and have been called and released after a day and half a few times. Just last year, during pandemic times, I actually served on a jury for the first time in my life. It was interesting. Assault case.
Yep. Someone called my wife a couple years ago claiming we had a warrant over back taxes with the IRS. I simply told my wife the IRS would never call, they use certified mail. We called our local police department to report the scam.
I'll bet the police were thrilled that you called to report a scam phone call. I once walked into the Hermosa Beach, Calif police station to report a wrong way drive I had just narrowly missed. They looked at me like I was crazy.
@@joshm3342 I told them about it because it involved them. The scammer claimed there was a warrant for my wife's arrest and they would have the police come get her if we didn't give them money. I used a non-emergency number so there wasn't an issue. The person that answered the phone seemed to appreciate the call, but perhaps it was a slow day.
They've drawn me twice, once in each county I've lived in. The first time, I was a full-time college student and used that as my legal exception. They only needed my voter registration, if I remember right. Where I currently live, they sent a questionnaire for me to fill out and enter the pool. A few months later, they picked me. But they didn't need me to report, so they dismissed me. They had a website portal they told me to keep an eye on, though they also sent me a text about my dismissal. Both of those counties are adjacent to one another and the county line splits the "big city" down the middle.
Question any fine you can pay over the phone. Especially a fine for an offense you're not aware of.
ESPECIALLY if they want you to pay with gift cards, every Staples store in our area has signs by the cashier warning about that.
@@edletain385 They tried this on me, but they demand that I pay with Bitcoin. I laughed at the fool who could barely speak English, then wasted a half hour as I shot down each attempt of his to con me.
If I was asked, "Do you believe in the death penalty", I would say, "Yes, and on live television!"
I think that "Oh my! Forward the warrants to my local police and I'll take care of it!" would end the call pretty quickly.
“Sir, do you think this is a joke? If we forward the warrants to the local PD you will be arrested. We cannot do that. “
@ & Rick Marceau; I think I would be telling them to 'suck it up buttercup' because that is the ONLY way I will pay the warrants.
The only time I missed jury duty was when I was 19. It was over the holidays and I didn't get the summons until two days after I was supposed to appear. So I called the court in a panic (I didn't realize that honestly missing jury duty one time wasn't that big a deal). The clerk laughed and said that with the holidays they'd been late going out, and then the mail delay ended up causing the problem. She laughed and said, "Don't worry about it-you're about the 20th caller I've had today with the same problem".
Government in action
I’ve been selected for jury duty a few times. The first two times I was excused for very legitimate reasons of hardship.
Once I received a notice but completely forgot about it. About 3 months after the fact, I came across the notice in a pile on my desk. I called my attorney and asked what I should do. The first thing he asked was if it was received by certified mail. I said, “no, it was regular mail. So, what should I do about this notice?” His response was, “what notice?” His advice was to not respond at all because doing so should be an admission that I received the notice and failed to act on it. I never received, to my knowledge, any other notices about the issue.
And now they know. I hope you wrote this comment on a public WiFi.
@@DetectiveRackham it was years ago and I never mentioned state, County, date, etc.
@@DetectiveRackham You're not very smart, huh bud?
Don't know where you live, but in 50 years of receiving notifications for jury duty (California and Florida), NOT ONE was ever sent ANYTHING but regular mail.
Just remember this term when you go to court: "Jury Nullification" they hate that term.
Especially if you have a very personal reason to nullify ANY jury you're on. I have that reason and it's one that can only be removed if an act of violence is committed
@@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76 No victim no crime!
A buddy of mine was selected for Jury Duty. After the jury was empaneled and before the start of the trial, the judge asked the members of the jury if they had any questions. My friend asked, "We're here because the state called us to be here and we're getting paid by the state for our time?" The judge said, "That's right. What's your question?" My friend asked, "When will the defense be given the opportunity to bid for our services?"
The judge told him that he was dismissed.
I hope that's true because it's pretty funny.
The first time I was called for jury duty ( in the 80's), It was for a minimum 2 wk stint. ( you could potentially sit in the jury pool room for the entire 2 weeks and never be called.) I got called twice, one for a trial that lasted a week, and another that lasted a few hrs. The worst part was the fact that I was working Swing shift at the time, and we had a clause in our contract that said that if you were released for the day before your shift was half over, you had to come in and finish your shift. Since I always got off jury duty before then, I had to grab a quick dinner, and head in to work, work till midnight, go home, get some sleep, get up, go to jury duty...
The last time I was called, it had been changed to 1 day. That time, nobody was ever called, and they eventually let us go home early. With our jury summons, if the timing is inconvenient, you can ask to have it postponed to a later date.
When I still lived in California, I served jury duty every 13 to 15 months without fail. According to the summons I received, this was all by "random selection." Right.
I've received a jury summons on a pretty regular schedule like that, although not quite as frequently. One day at work I was talking to one of my co-workers, and it dawned on me that the regular amount of time had passed and I hadn't seen a jury summons. It showed up in my mailbox the very next day... literally, the next day! I had to laugh about that one.
I guess the worry often is the rest of the jury might end up treating lawyers as an authority, making it less trial by a jury off one's peers and just a trial by a jury off Steve Lehto.
Alternatively the rest of jury might just ignore you on the grounds that no one likes lawyers until they need one 😀
Mr. Lehto, as a member of the Mi. bar and presumably an officer of the court, I would have thought you would have been enjoined from jury duty.
Another funny story is my sister got called for Jury Duty, the notification info from the county came to our dads house weirdly enough but my sister was currently wearing an orange jumpsuit in the county jail. This was around 2005, shes since gotten her life together, got a business degree and runs a restaurant.
That just Made me think of a hypothetical that could probably never happen but I think would be hilarious.
So your sister gets a jury duty summons in the mail, right? Well she's in jail and they've asked her to sit on the jury for her own trial. 😂
I could see it happening, jury pools are often drawn from DMV records, and I don't think DMV records shows if the person was incarcerated or not.
My last jury notice went to my parents' house because I just moved out, and haven't updated my address on my license yet. That was going to be a fun case (murder), I was dismissed by the judge after being in the selection process for three days, what happened is they'll select a pool of potential juries out of the general pool (it was like an auditorium, so I would say 200+ people that initial day), then they'll select the juries and backup out of the initial pool selected (I think about 40 or so).
@@lrock48 Yeah, I thought it was weird because we had been moved out for quite some time, both of us. She hadn't lived at my dads house in a few year's so with all the trouble she had been in he showed it to me and I wrote something like "(sisters name) is currently an inmate at such and such county jail," and sent it back. We never heard another thing about it and I dont think she has either.
@@Mewse1203 It did happen but she was only being held on some charges in our county on something much smaller. She was in huge trouble in a couple counties over and got sent there for a trial later on.
@@Mewse1203 Reminded me of an episode of Bonanza. Hoss was on trial for murder, the traveling Circuit Judge appointed all the men in the first couple of rows of seats to be Jurors. Ben Cartwright stood up and objected, I cannot be a Juror in my son's murder trial. When I watched that as a kid, I thought he was a fool, he could have hung the Jury if the others wanted to hang Hoss. Still think he was a fool.
I had gotten one of these calls a few years ago, they said I had a warrant for not showing up to jury duty (the time frame they gave me, I was active duty military at the time, and I was deployed overseas) I pretty much told them I was active duty military and was deployed at that time frame and was exempt, and referred them to the JAG office. I never heard back from them since.
This scam was popular in SD 5 yrs ago. I have 3 college degrees and was tired and in a hurry, and I fell for this one. The guy making the call spoke perfect english, no incorrect grammer, he could pronounce the name of my county and city which are Native American and most people who are not local can not say correctly. I gave him my credit card number and rushed to my meeting. I apologized for being late and told them I had been delayed by this phone call about missing jury duty. 6 people said SCAM and I excused myself and called my credit card co before they had time to use it. Steve thank you for taking the time to put this information out , I enjoy your channel because it is often amusing, but you also give a lot of good advice and all of us need it sometime.
I had to fill out a questionnaire for Jury Duty, I said I will have a high high high level of distrust of the prosecutors because I think every single one has committed a Brady violation. Never got called, go figure.
I actually would love to serve. I've been called three times, twice put on standby (call the automated system the night before and enter the provided ID number) and once I'd have loved to serve (unusual murder-by-crossbow case) but had to arrange to get dismissed for economic reasons.
so you avoided jury duty, real patriot aren't you
@@stewartmschwartz4759 Jury duty is a form of slavery. Just so you know.
@@stewartmschwartz4759 I guess my twenty years of active military service means nothing, I told the truth on the questionnaire because it is what I have seen. Should I lie to be "patriotic"?
@@stewartmschwartz4759 Bold words coming from a commie.
We get numerous scam calls spoofing various phone numbers (majority in WA state) The absolute best one listed the caller as calling from MY OWN PHONE! When's the government going to do something about these scams?? ESPESCIALLY those from a certain large country that begins with an "I"!! Keep up the GREAT work and information, Mr LEHTO!
I moved from California to Oregon. I lived in Oregon long enough to reach resident status, got my driver's license, and registered to vote. The house in California was being rented to my cousin. She got a jury summons at the California house sent to me. She threw it away. Several months later a sheriff showed up with a warrant for me. She gave a notice the sheriff let demanding I show up and turn myself in to my mother.
Mom then called me to tell me I had to turn myself in for arrest. I was shocked. I had a small child and no way to travel over 400 miles. Mom got me the number for the courthouse, no internet and certainly nothing but landlines.
After talking to the jury clerk she told me it was true that there was a warrant for me and demanded I turn myself in immediately. I actually started laughing. I asked her why they were trying to arrest a legal Oregon resident for not showing up for jury duty. The summons was sent almost a month after I had received my driver's license. She got very quiet, asked for my license number, called to verify the information I gave her, apologized, canceled the warrant, and sent me a letter to again apologized for the mistake.
I was just 20 years old. It was shocking to think I could have been arrested. I assumed that in getting a license in Oregon would have erased my resident in California. I was wrong. The clerk said they use last known address and go no further to find you. It was a very strange system. I say "was" as it was quite a long time ago and who knows what they do now.
I think your first mistake was expecting the state of California to do much of anything competently.
The Sheriff doesn't "drop off" an arrest warrant with your family.
I have been called for jury duty several times. Just tossed the letter in the trash, and never heard anything more about it. They don't pay enough.
People used to do that a lot, but many jurisdictions now order you to appear before a judge if you don't show up. Also, there is no hardship excuse in California and some other states for trials lasting seven days or less. You can reschedule your service, though.
My husband was trying to get out of jury duty a few years back because he was working out of state a lot so he took a book with him. The book he took was
Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century by Tom Woods and it worked the DA dismissed him during voir dire.
I actually forgot to do the "call in and see if you need to come in" thing once because it was Thanksgiving weekend and I was supposed to call Sunday night. Halfway through the next week I finally remembered. Called the court, they were very nice and asked if I could reschedule. Couple months later I got called, went in for my one day and done. Easy peasy
Any time you receive a call from anyone representing an agency or organization, even/especially if you think it may be a legitimate call, tell them you'll call them back. Do not use the number they supply, but look up that agency or organization's number on your own and call it, ask for them. If they are legitimately part of that organization, you will reach them.
People are too stupid to do that...ergo scams.
Very good point. For a while here the Canadian version of the IRS used a phone company that for some reason the call display showed a US city. Needless to say no one would talk to them and they got a lot of abuse.
@@wholeNwon Hence why I will *NEVER* feel bad for the person scammed. I've had hundreds of scam calls, texts, ect over the years; and I never encountered a *single* scam that anyone with 2 braincells would fall for. If you fall for a scam, it's because you're not smart.
@@dakota9821 Or old, lonely and marginally competent just trying to hold on to reality. And it's "etc."
In Oregon I have been summoned several times and to be very honest it is never a coincidence on the timing. The last time in the county where I reside I was dismissed because of my level of education and it (in my opinion would have been a conflict of interest to serve). Thanks Lehto’s law good topic.🤔❤️🇺🇸
~@14:00 I have had issues with the USPS delivering mail to me at my established address. Often I would get mail for someone on "Myroad Ct" when I live on "Myroad Rd" in the same ZIP code. Yes, I have complained and all complaints are handled by the local PO - which IMO white washes any problem away.
I have had the same issue with DMV notices. My complaint/philosophy that if there is NO tracking number, the item was never mailed.
Steve has so much common sense and a stellar sense of humor. I have found such people to be the best as they can laugh at themselves and know whether someone is peeing on their boots or if it's just raining. Keep up the good work.
Miss jury duty, get a warrant. Rob a train in Cali, its just an inconvenience 🙄
It's much safer for the donut-gobblers to go out and arrest decent people on bull*** warrants than to tangle with real criminals.
I appreciate the great lengths you went to, to avoid using the word "Indian". A true lawyer and a true TH-camr who wants to keep a global audience satisfied!
But they are tho
Just to repeat something Steve said: Courts generally do not have a "financial department." They have clerks, and clerks have access to case data; I wouldn't expect a deputy to just have it offhand, but if they're legit they ought to be able to connect you with the appropriate county clerk to review the supposed warrants (as well as jury summons and other administrative details). If they don't even pretend to do that much, they probably shouldn't be trying to scam as a court. Also I'm pretty sure impersonating a deputy or clerk or other officers of the court is, you know, extremely illegal, but good luck catching these people.
Its easy... its called sector 5 ...... a large portion of these scam folks are all from an area in bangalore, india called 'sector 5' .
They wouldn't call you about a warrant anyway, they'd show up in person with the warrant in one hand and hand cuffs in the other.
Last time the city I used to live in sent me notice of jury duty I didn't even respond to the questions they sent me and I have not heard from them
Actual conversation I've had with a judge (not in court) w.r.t. US Post... "I have a mailbox, if that's what your asking. It doesn't always contain MY mail. I can only assume others are, from time to time, getting my mail just as I'm getting theirs." I can't go to the post office (which one? there are two that touch my mail) for things I don't know they didn't deliver. There was a time at a former apartment complex where they hired a small, very old chinese guy as the carrier. If he spoke english, he never did around me. For six months, not a single thing was put in the correct box. I do not know how he passed the civil service exam. Even certified/registered mail was mishandled (by a different carrier.) A friends wedding invitation was illegally signed for by the carrier and placed in my mailbox -- which could just as easily been the wrong box. I bitched about that to the postmaster. (I knew that was coming because she sent me a picture of mailing it.)
PS: Fedex and UPS do the same stupid thing. Two parallel roads with the same street numbers. (that's on USPS, btw; they set those numbers!) On occasion, I get my neighbors packages because apparently they can't tell the difference between a 5 and 7.
(As opposed to the rural post office from my youth. He knew every single person he delivered mail to -- several hundred people. The above mentioned complex has 900! boxes. And there are 3 more similar complexes around it.)
Post office does not give your street numbers...911 or fire dept does this. No what you're talking about.
Know
@@dirtfarmer7070 Negative. The street numbers for this complex were set by the USPS. (they should've been set by the builder, but they were idiots.)
@@jfbeam I should have qualified my response....generally speaking, at least my neck of the woods, that is what is done. I do get tired of getting run into the ground for the mistakes of others. Anyway, sorry you have had such poor experience. It is also very common to have identical numbers on adjacent streets. I haven't seen many routes where this didn't occur at least once. Postal service also has many vacant routes and often carriers come from other offices every day just to try to get them done. I have worked many 14 hr days doing this. Sorry to drone on, hope a little insight from man on the ground helps. I love to go back and forth in discussions with folks as long as they don't get nasty. We can all learn a thing or two.
@@dirtfarmer7070 It varies. I have scans of dead books from the 1800's showing street names and numbers -- assigned ("made up") by the surveyor. Obviously there was no E911 back then, and in fact, there was no fire department for that property. The government keeps track of property by PIN, which in those days was a literal brass pin on a stone marker. We still use PINs, but stone markers are getting rare.
The apartment complex I once lived in had street names and building numbers assigned by the builder (i.e. their engineering firm.) And is pretty much hard zoned for those building. If you remove those buildings and string up houses, there isn't enough number space. The city is perfectly ok with that. Again, they have their PINs, and EMS has their physical location. USPS in this case doesn't care, as everything goes to the mail center in the center of the complex. Anything too big to fit in those boxes, they take to the office. I don't recall USPS ever bringing anything to my door. (even certified/registered mail was mishandled and stuffed in my mailbox.)
Long ago, in a different county, when a 911 system was originally created, yes, _they_ had to create street addresses for thousands of points. It was a major job, and ended up a massive mess. One's mailbox was rarely adjacent to one's house. "Rural Route" boxes tended to get clustered to make it easier for the (too often) single postal carrier. In our case, the box is on a different street. As the house number was assigned by driveway, our address would technically be in a different city (zip). The boundary for the zipcode is the creek, which is (+/-) where the road used to be (in the 20's!) If you apply that number to our mailbox, it's about 300ft from where is should be -- between two houses. If you don't pay attention to the number, you'll end up on the same named road about 10mi away. Nobody thought that one all the way through, but in the 1800's when they named them, it would've been silly to confuse the road well outside the city to the one _in_ the city.
My county has an opt in text system for notifications when you get the summons. They also email any changes so you do not have to call. Seeing that text or email saying "You do NOT have to report" is awesome. Spent half a day there once, but at least a friend had it in the same courtroom.
Is it illegal to not check you mail or email? Because I think longest I've gone not checking my mail box was like 6 months lol online banking has made it obsolete for almost everything
Some apparatchiks also seem to think that I'm obligated to have a telephone or email address. The telephone thing is really stupid... I can pay my property taxes by check via mail and they accept it and cash it without incident. But if I show up in person (where I'm recorded on a security camera!) suddenly my phone number on the check is essential.
Sometimes I don't go into town to check the mail for a week. There are times when I'm out of touch for several weeks. I'm going to be running the Grand Canyon in a few weeks and will not receive mail or phone messages for four weeks. Maybe some cop will arrest me at the take out for "contempt".
Ben polishing the same sword he was wielding yesterday.
The best solution is to never answer your phone unless you recognize the name or number. If legit they'll leave a message. These scammers likely won't leave one. I've served on enough juries for several lifetimes so now during the questioning phase I ask if we're allowed to see a mug shot of the defendant. I want to see who they really are, not how their makeover for court looks---or something along that line. If the lawyers ask absurd questions, so can I. Works like a charm.
"Not how their makeover looks." I like it.
Lawyers are part of "The Game".
YOU are a peasant. The Judge can throw you in a cell because he doesn't like your haircut. Be careful, now.
I look forward to scamming callers. I can waste their time and have fun. I always drag things out and waste their time and effort. You win when they get angry and hang up on YOU.
I’ve had notifications twice but never had to go. My Dad had to go every week for a couple months. He was an ex-cop. Every time he got to the selection process and said that, they said, “Thank you, you’re excused.”
Every time I've been called up for jury duty, the case was settled prior to trial.
Probably civil cases.
I have been on five juries that continued to verdict -- all criminal.
I got dismissed from a criminal trial once (accused of murdering his parents, a year apart), I think the defendant choosing to representing himself has a lot to do with it.
I had the same scam happen to right after New Years I had moved from Georgia to Illinois 2 years ago and the message they left was I needed to call a deputy. I called and basically got the same scam. I just hung up and called the sheriff department from the county they claimed they were from and spoke to the deputy that answered the phone said they don’t call if you miss jury duty and ask for money to get warrants released. The deputy wasn’t interested in any information or taking a report. Called the local department here in Illinois and they weren’t interested either.
I served on jury duty once. I enjoyed it. In my county you age out for jury duty at age 70. We found that out when my husband got “that call” about missing jury duty. He didn’t fall for it, but I understand how the elderly could.
I had jury duty multiple times. Two of the most interesting were a Coroner's Jury. I don't know if they still have those. The function of the Coroner's jury was to determine whether death resulted from suicide, accident or murder. The case involved the death of an infant and was brutal. The other case involved attempted murder. I was sitting on a bench next to the court room talking to a happy smiling young man. Once inside I realized he was the defendant. He was happy because his lawyer was incredibly gifted. In just five minutes this kindly old gentleman had convinced us that he would never defend a client that could possibly be guilty. This was during the Hillside strangler case and the women of the evening there to testify were roaming the halls.
I would LOVE to see a video about the lawyer that was doing stuff right AND wrong for jury selection!!!!! Please do that soon!
I personally would be fine with doing jury duty. I would find it interesting. I doubt I will ever be picked for cases that really interest me
I've served once for a civil case and once for criminal, both were interesting and I wouldn't mind doing it again. Although I should add I don't want to end up on a jury that gets sequestered for a long time. I received a jury questionnaire when they were picking people in my area for the Cosby case. Thank goodness I didn't get roped into that fiasco.
Around 30 years ago when I first moved to the county I now live, a Jury Duty notice was delivered by a County Deputy Sheriff to make sure it was received by the correct person. Now they are just sent out by U.S. mail. With the number of pieces of mail I have been given for other addresses I wouldn't guarantee everyone got the summons that was sent to them.
My mom has been registered for jury duty since the 60’s and had never been called for jury duty, I’ve been registered since the early 90’s and I’ve had about half a dozen times, only had to go to the courthouse once. I didn’t get picked but one of the others that didn’t get looked just like John Cougar Mellencamp but he was a retired dept. of homeland security agent.
there was no such thing as homeland security agent in the 90s and certainly not a retired one. ridiculous story.
Thank you for putting this out! I just got called today and it was very convincing...they spoofed the number to the local sheriff, they verified my information, provided a case number and badge numbers...luckily I was able to have someone else call the local sheriff's office to verify and the dispatcher said it was a scam and advised me to hang up...who do I report this to? The FCC of the FBI?
This is why I don't answer my phone unless I know who is on the end. If the call is important they'll leave a message.
I've had those letters a few times while living in Michigan. Most told me not to bother when I called the day before. Once I had to show up and actually got selected. I learned quite a lot about the law during those three days and actually developed quite a bit of respect for the judge with the way he handled everything (ironically the same one who had handled my divorce many years beforehand). The last jury summons was the one that really worried me because it was for a date after I was moving to another state. Actually it was nothing to be concerned about because after I spoke to the court, they were able to verify that I had recently purchased a house in Tennessee and already hired a moving company.
I've lost count of the number of times I've been called for jury duty. Back in the 70s in Los Angeles County you had to report in person for an entire month and could end serving on several juries. The new system with "one day or one trial" is much more convenient.
In the early 2000s they would you send you a summons which you had to complete and return, and then you might get called to appear. I had a coworker who said she never sent it back in. I gave her a very hard time so she sent it back and then got called. She was miffed.
I know at that time if you didn't appear when called there was a large fine and you still had to serve.
Sorry, what does that mean, 'miffed'?
@@harrickvharrick3957 angry
I think your memory is faulty. The truth is you were called for a week or a jury if selected. If you were not called for a jury you sat in a room every day for a week. This is no longer done that way.
@@walterarrit5511 I was called for jury duty in 1976 and 1981 in Los Angeles and the term of service was one month. When You finished one case you went back to the jury assembly room waiting to be called for another. In 1976 I served on three cases. In 1981 it was one six week case. My employer paid me for my service.
@@jimtyndall1267 I had a similar experience around the same time. Day after day I sat in a room and never was called for jury duty. In the upper desert you are called for a trial and if it is plea bargained or you don't survive void dire (spelling?) Then your jury duty is over for the year.
I got one of those call from “the Secret Service” about a warrant for my arrest. I kept asking who was coming to arrest me, a federal agent or county sheriffs deputy. About the third time I asked if I had time to take a shower before they came to my door they hung up.
i am 46 and i had been summoned about 20 times at least... i was only selected once to sit on the jury... but i had to show up and spend my day playing on my phone while getting paid like $5 :D
Yep, while everyone working in the courthouse gets minimum wage by law. I've never been called, in nearly fifty years of being a registered voter. I think I'm on some sort of list ...
Steve I finally got you. Some arrest warrants in some locations are issued for failure to pay a fine, child support, etc... and those warrants often have a bail amount set, which is what owed, which will resolve the ARREST Warrant if that amount is collected, usually as bail. We used to get child support warrants, with the amount owed as the listed bail, and if they paid the amount the warrant was resolved and recalled without further court appearances. Same thing with some for failure to pay a fine. Dead Beat "parents" would carry the amount owed and withhold paying it until they were arrested.
I'd like to thank you for your service good sir. My landlord just made 2 major legal mistakes, and I know exactly what to do about it lol. Decided to raise my rent with 8 months left on a 3 year lease, and never offered a lease before raising the rent lol. I sent a polite knock it off email, and will be getting a lawyer asap lol. But I'm poor so that should be fun.
@@thentil there is. It's crazy because it's a simple mistake probably, but still illegal
@@JohnTheRevelat0r I emailed them. Maybe it's just an oops.
@@JohnTheRevelat0r Small claims is always pro se.
I just say “Come and get me copper!” In my best 1930s gangster voice lol
I had one ID himself as Agent Mathew Smith. “You don’t sound like a Mathew Smith you sound like my friend Mr. Patel.” 😂
In my Texas town, the scammers are doing a similar con; however, they're spoofing the courthouse's number. I found out about it through our town's official Facebook page.
I haven't got these, but lately I've been getting a lot of scam calls spoofing legitimate numbers of banks and credit unions, so when I search the numbers displayed, it'll show up as the banks or the credit union, but usually it's the general number instead of the fraud department, which they claimed to be calling from.
@@lrock48 this is why I refuse those calls and call the bank directly
I just got the jury duty scam call in DFW.
Living in Canada, I constantly receive robocalls telling me 'Revenue Service Canada' (which doesn't exist, of course) wants to talk to me about money owing and if I don't follow their blind link I will be arrested. All told there are a dozen holes in this scam, STARTING WITH their "International Caller" on my caller ID.
These calls have served as a good example for me to use to educate my son on how to identify scams.
About one month after my dad passed away, he got a Jury Summons. I figured, I'll let the county figure it out, cause they should have access to records like a death certificate. Later they sent the nastygram, if you don't show up, etc. So I called the office, they took care of it from there. Why would I assume one entity, would have access to another government entity's records?
Because each department/agency commission their own in house software and there are no communication, resource and the fear of disclosure to create a government wide database to have all the information accessible in one place.
One month might be too early, especially given that the names are drawn somewhat in advance of notices going out. When my dad died, it took some time to get appointed to handle his estate, and I was paranoid about something like identity theft because he'd recently had problems with mail theft. About a month after he died, his voter registration and drivers license were cancelled by the state, so I then only had to handle the non-government stuff like credit cards after getting appointed to handle his affairs. It might have been more of a problem if he had died out of state so the state wouldn't have gotten a death certificate filed, but some states do have their shit together on stuff that happens in their state.
A video regarding your critique on the lawyers who questioned you for jury selection would be epic!
the one time i had to go to jury duty, (i found this out at the end) but there was a bomb threat at another local courthouse, so they evacuated everyone but us jurors and the security guard watching us.....kinda pissed me off.
In 1976 I went to basic & AIT training. When I finally finished & was back home a piece of mail showed up. It had been forwarded from my original address to every base I had been assigned to. It was over 6 months old so I called thinking I was going to jail & the clerk of court told me not to worry about it after I explained what happened.
What is scary to me is that they're actually using relevant information. Finding a kansas resident(former) or in the other one you mentioned said to pass the info on to her son.
If they’re making thousands of these calls daily, sooner or later they’ll hit on someone who did once live in some particular place. Americans do tend to move around a lot.
. . . if you are giving your info way too freely it will Zuck (!) - there are many 'businesses' which sell your information on a large scale . . .
A couple of decades ago, one of the courts in downtown Raleigh NC ran out of jurors. So the judge sent his bailiff outside and instructed him to start pulling people in off the sidewalk. Lots of folks had to call their boss and tell them why they weren't coming back to work that day.
at 18 I joined the constitution party, never been called in for jury duty.
The best way to handle a call like this is to ask them what your name is.
If they're for real, then they're going to know exactly who the warrant is out for. Sometimes they'll be able to check the name against an online phone book, but usually not. It's a very good way to fish out 90% of these scams.
I've gotten jury summonses 3 times in my life. Twice for regular jury duty, and once for Federal Grand Jury duty. I had just moved from Florida, to Nebraska and I missed that privilege of serving on a Federal Grand Jury. In the case of the Federal Grand Jury, in that jurisdiction the Federal Grand Jury sits for a full 18 months and the Federal Court System pays all expenses, up to and including travel, your normal wages, and meals in Miami, because that's where the Federal Grand Jury meets to discuss cases up to and including terrorism, drug running, gun running, and other crimes that rise to the level of Federal Prosecution. I would have dearly loved to sit at that for the full term of 18 months. It would have been an exciting experience and one I would have been proud to have served for my country.
You sound like a model citizen.
I’ve been threatened so many times by scammers. They hate being called out and laughed at. It’s become a game to see how long I can keep them on the line to keep them from bothering someone else.
An ex-girlfriend nearly fell for a scam. You could hear the overseas call transfer operator. It was out of India. It didn't work.
I've been called 3 times for jury duty. One time I was picked and put in the jury pool in the court room. It was exciting. My name was called to have a seat in the jury box so I'm sitting with 11 other people and the judge starts asking each of us questions. When it came my turn, I answered his questions, then he asked is there any reason why you shouldn't be on this jury. I said my daughter is a paralegal who worked for one of the attorney's who is connected with this case. Well, I was told by the judge, "You are dismissed". I really wanted to serve but couldn't.
Steve probably gets weeded out, one side or the other won't want an attorney on the jury
I just did jury duty in South Australia. very similar but clunky system. We get summoned for a month. during that month you're part of a section. The night before we get messaged and advised whether our section needs to be present for the selection pool the following day. If the section is called, you attend the jury pool room, the jury manager briefs us on the type of case and then ask "if anyone present has a reason to not serve said case". Then the remaining jury is taken to the court room and ballots drawn for the jury. The lawyers aka "councils" already have a list of our public information, age, gender, occupation, etc.
I got out of Jury duty twice because I was 9 months pregnant both times I got called and was about to burst.
Imagine actually serving and then telling your kids: "Oh yeah...you were born at a murder trial and you were born at a trial for a money laundering operation" ...
In our County, we get called every two to three years. Each time for a week unless selected. They allow us to provide our cell number so they can text us if needed.
Any time they want gift cards you MUST assume its a scam. At one time all scams were new. Thanks for exposing this one as I have been ignoring jury duty notices since I was 70.
Hey Steve! You think you had fun! I was tagged for jury duty once twenty years ago. The form I filled out once I got to the jury waiting room, asked "have you ever been arrested". Further down on the form it said if you answered yes to any of the questions above you must explain here. I thought that question was illegal but I answered it anyway, So, I said to myself "why not?" I wrote the following. "Murder, attempted murder, aggravated assault, aggravated battery, multiple counts of aggravated grievous bodily harm, theft of Government property, destruction of Government property, black marketering, conduct unbecoming an officer, exceeding designated authority, and resisting arrest. We were then seated in the court room. I watched the Judge thumbing through the forms we had all filled out. He glanced at mine and kept going. Then he stopped and quickly flipped back to my form. He called my name and told me stand up. I did, He read out loud what I had written. The people seated next to me on the bench started to slide away from me. LOL, you had to be there.
The judge said, "Sir, do you care to explain what you have written?"
Me: Your honor those were the charges I faced in early 1975 while stationed in Nam. My courts Martial exonerated me of all charges. I was returned to my rank, my medals were restored, and I did not even have to pay a fine!"
I was told to leave and never come back.
True story!
I never got that far. I could have told them that I was arrested at Ft. Rucker for diving a vehicle that wasn't on my license. The funny part was, it was the same one ton Ford work truck that I took my driving test in. My 'one phone call' was to the civilian I worked for. I told him that they had screwed up my license and asked him to check the other electronics sections to check theirs as well. Over 20 were wrong, so they had to let m go, and all of us received the proper licenses.
I had been stopped for running a stop sign, leading to the Officers housing. The MP had to take several minutes to bend tree branches out of the way to uncover the sign, and told me that I had to know it was there. I had only been on base about two weeks, and that was my first time on that part of the base. He called me a liar, and told me to follow him to their compound..
After that day, I had no use for the MPs.
Twice, I got one in trouble with their watch commander when they blocked me from where I needed to work. Just the name of my section got them royally chewed out by their commander. Weathervision was mission critical to keep two schools open, the main school being the Helicopter flight school where we trained Medivac pilots for Vietnam.
There is a problem with the date you quoted you were in Vietnam. As a mercenary required by the Paris Accord we replaced all but a handful of uniformed military. I heartily believe you need to check things out before making up ridiculous stories.
@@walterarrit5511 You were just a Merc. My Vietnam "experience" includes many Months in Cambodia, Laos. Thailand and Vietnam. I call it my "Vietnam Experience" because I would have to write for way too long telling were I was each day. I started working for Air America and then got caught up being a "spook". Of course that was 50 years ago. I really do not feel like explaining myself to a "gun for hire". I rarely found your type to be honorable. After all you were there only for the money. BTW I never said the courts martial took place in the country of Viet Nam. Did you really believe the Government when they told you almost all the American troops had gone home? LMAO We were hiding just across the border waiting to see if we would be thrown back into a useless war. I can say that because I fought the War for almost 5 years. I did not jump in at the end for a nice paycheck. You people at the bottom of the totem pole often do not have a clue what goes on at the top. You angered me when you called my humorous story ridiculous. I have allowed my anger to make me say too much. Even though it has been 50 years, I still have to answer to some people.
@@michaelsuerth1448 I spent two years as a top secret document controller starting just before the Paris peace treaty was signed. I know all about the 05charliesbsending traffic from Laos and Cambodia. I also spent four years as a 12bravo. Your traffic went from me to DIRNSA,. Where you got the idea that I don't know about Laos and Cambodia is a mystery to me.
@@walterarrit5511 You should have started with you were a document controller in your original reply. You made it sound like you were just a Mercenary. The typical Mercs I new, would shoot me in the back for the right price and they were NOT trustworthy! I got a whole in my gut to prove how untrustworthy some were. They often bugged out when it got too hot. If you were not one of them, then I apologize for my earlier statement. Come to think of it we may have eaten some of the same dirt. I remember dropping off all sorts of documents in your area and at times beg, borrow, or steal certain equipment (enough said) Of course one visit and I might be a second Lt in the Marines, another visit a week later I might be dressed as a Major in the Army. I was a spook. However I got training in Quantico , Fort Dix NJ, Benning, to name a few. I have already talked too much so as one 70+ year old to another I hope your nightmares are few and the years you have left be kind.
I have received 4 jury duty summons over the last ~30 years.
The first one I had to sit in the room with everyone else and right before lunch a person came out and told us the person decided to accept a plea then dismissed us.
The next 2 I just had to call the number every evening for a week but never had to show up.
The last one I got to sit in the room again and wait all day. they had several different groups all waiting quite a few got called to go through the selection process. by the end of the day my group was dismissed and I just had to call every evening for the rest of the week.
If you could just “pay the fine” then it wouldn’t be a warrant (for your arrest)
Come to Canada unpaid fines can go to warrant here.... Pay or Stay
@@realalbertan this guy has no clue what he is talking about. courts in the US issue warrants for unpaid fines all the time. can't expect people who have never known the cold hands of justice to really understand how the sistem works.
Ive had the "family court" in Barry County Michigan and their "Friend of the Court" claim that they sent notice of hearings in the mail when i fact they did not. They actually admitted to me that they "forgot" at first but then changed their story when the opponent's attorney asked them to sign a document stating that they did in fact send it to me. Ive recorded every conversation since then.
I’ve been called a bunch of times. I was a police dispatcher for forty years, which doesn’t excuse one from jury duty, but places a hardship on the safety of the community and my co-workers. The first time, they asked me if I knew any of the parties in the case, a burglary, as I recall, but from a neighboring police agency. I answered that I knew the arresting officer, the investigating officer, the prosecutor, hi your honor, been fishing lately, and you at the defendant’s table, haven’t we arrested you as well? It took five excuses for the prosecutor to finally thank and excuse me. I was shocked!
I have been notified 3 times in the past 17 years.
If you did the "hi denfendant..." in front of the other prospective jurors, they might have to do a whole new jury selection.
I have a couple of good jury duty stories, but this one seems most relevant: When I lived in San Francisco they could call you for jury duty once a year, and you were on call for two weeks every time. You ALWAYS had to go in the first day and say hi, but on that day you would be assigned to a group with a color name and you had to call every evening to see if they wanted you the next morning, and sometimes they would say call between 10:30 and noon to see if we want you in the afternoon. Tough to deal with if you worked out of town. If they called you to a courtroom folks not selected were told to go back to the jury pool room and check in again and see what they want you to do.
And so, on one of my many times serving in the pool, I go in Monday, wait all day for nothing. No jury Tuesday, but they do want me Wednesday morning. We get in, I am chosen as an alternate, and we hear a hit-and-run case that was an absolute waste of everyone's time (different story) They close on Friday morning, and the empaneled jury goes off to the Chamber of Judgement. Judge says I could leave if I wanted but to be available if needed. I said if it's OK I'll wait and see what happens. Judge says OK, cool. Jury comes back in about 1/2 an hour; not guilty, and I privately agreed with that. Judge has closing remarks and among other things says "Ladies and gents of the jury, thank you for your service, and have a great weekend."
And here I sincerely believed I had done my service and was finished for the year. About a month later I got a letter from the Jury Commissioner's office that said, "Hey, you owe us another week of jury duty pal." I was pretty surprised but I did what they wanted and THEN we were through for the year.
I know for a fact if my sheriff had a warrant for me, i would not get a phone call, but if I did get a call, my protocol is to call the courthouse and verify. Oh, FYI I record incoming calls.
The easiest way to get out of jury duty is to announce immediately that you are prejudice to the local DA and that no matter who gets put in front of you you were going to set them free with a non-guilty verdict no matter what the judge will send you home immediately
Last time I had Jury Duty I just wore: Ripped Jeans, Cowboy boots, biker t shirt, Biker vest with lots of offensive patches. Every time they herded us in a room to ask questions, they would never ask me anything and just tell me I can go back to the main sitting room and hang out. They don't even want to ever ask me questions from the way I look, and I get out of Jury Duty...Nothing sucks worse than sitting on a stupid jury trying to stay awake while lawyers argue about everything under the sun except did the actual event even happen.... I got better ways to spend my life.
Steve, another good video. That said, please do videos about how things happen, as you mentioned in the front end of this video. Your video are all about educating, plus they are indeed entertaining.
I just find it hard to feel bad for anyone who falls for these things when the remedy is to go somewhere and buy gift cards
Except for the elderly. They prey on them and know that they aren't really in a situation to understand what is going on. As I understand it though if they do get caught it's a larger punishment for scamming the elderly, which it should be.
Same. Even if it was convincing up till then, the minute you realize you're in a grocery store buying prepaid cards (instead of just paying by phone, check, or electronic transfer), you shouldn't go any further.
@@gregred78 scammers in India should be publicly burned alive, hung or impaled.
@@fatefinger Hanged is just fine. What they do warrants the death penalty, but torture is beyond the scope of their crimes.
@@fatefinger Well, seems my comment got auto-deleted. In short, as Mark Rober showed, it is not just India.
You said (paraphrased) “A lot of people think they can get out of things just by saying something." We have a term for that. It’s called lying.
Jury duty should be voluntary, and people should have to be added to a list, if they want the opportunity to serve. It's not a fair trial, if six people on the trial are pissed about having to be there. I've always had a problem with the concept of peers in America as well, because if someone isn't in the same age group, has the same sex, same race, same nationality, etc., then that's not a peer at all.
Imagine large groups of people, motivated by decades of being taught that other large groups have been unfair to them, volunteering for every jury they can find.
Judges, solicitors, and barristers (among others involved in law) are exempt from performing jury duty in UK
Fraud in Florida ? Really ? I try to never do work in florida, texas, new york or new jersey.
"She works with the elderly and teaches them about fraud." Don't rely on any information a caller provides to confirm their validity. Perform a completely independent verification. Glad she shared her experience. Good video, Thanks.
For many years Teton County Wyoming used voter registration records to find jurors. Since I've never voted this kept me off their radar.
They started including other records and I eventually got a notice that I was liable to be called for a certain period. Fair enough.
It turns out that, when I checked the mail after a several week pack trip, I found a notice that I'd been called to appear several days earlier.
Tossed it, never heard from them again.
In the past, I call seeing long lists of prospective jurors(the Jury Pool) publish in the legal notices in the newspaper. Criminals/fraudsters could misuse this information.
Yea really