A couple quick things: If a lot more of the video sounds like its similar to Dummy!, its because it does! Spamton and Dummy share the same soundfont at a lot of points during the song. Second, I've heard that there was core in the background of one part but haven't been able to pick up on it myself.
Aside from the screams (which appear at parts in the song like 0:33), there’s also the bomb detonation sound effect (1:18) and *I THINK* there’s Jevil’s laugh as well (1:21)?
The song BIG SHOT being four songs put together is ironic in a way as Spamton wanted to be free and his own individual yet his theme isn’t very original. And also the fact that mettaton Neo had the highest attack and Spamton Neo has the highest defence.
It's because he has his motif, the body and basement is representative of mettatons broken hopes and dreams (thus Neo motif and Dummy!! motif) and then finally the Nightmare Knight motif (the one used in The World Revolving) because of the Nightmare Knight motif is referencing whatever contact Jevil and Spamton share (the motif also is used in The Chase and Closet which i thought was interesting)
he's even using power gained from others, like the NEO body/the machine being Mettaton's hopes and dreams that he couldn't get in this world, and how he wants to use Kris' (the player's?) soul
@@lunaJAMv9 if spamton took a human soul would that mean they become a lightner because they now have a soul? I know monsters had the ability to absorb souls and that’s the whole reason the war happened in undertale but it’s kinda weird spamton wanted a human soul so bad if it wouldn’t even work so maybe darkners can absorb souls? Who knows maybe we’ll see. The sad thing is though even with kris’s soul he STILL wouldn’t have been free because it contains/contaminated by the player so we’d just take over spamton.
Personally I get massive Dummy vibes throughout most parts of the song. I think it makes sence since Spamton is a puppet, maybe posessed by a ghost too.
I don't think Spamton is a ghost more like he's an actual dark world character but became a puppet who's controlled by someone else His backstory is strongly suggesting that Like how we control Kris
I like to imagine that this is also because of the part at 0:41 to 0:48 where we have this long phrase that ends in a short phrase that repeats into itself 3 times before looping back into the long phrase, since that is the gimmick the mad dummy theme reiterates over and over through basically the whole song.
actually, if you've been paying attention, the normal boss music theme of spamton starts off like megalovania this too, it just repeats the notes and makes it stuck in your head, and it's the secret in undertale music!
@@gamerha8515 ah, a fellow cultured person who doesn't edit their original comment to say thanks for likes. I tip my hat to you, from one legend to another.
the fun thing is, the song just plays 4 notes at diffrent pitches as background, so it's stuck in your head, and megalovania does the same thing by putting those beggining 4 notes as the background!
Okay, here's a small prediction: I believe that the "World Revolving" leitmotif won't be just a nod to Jevil. I think it will be the little tune that will play in every single hidden boss. I mean, Jevil and Spamton both talk about freedom, and so they both get the leitmotif. Maybe in a few chapters it'll just be the "Freedom" leitmotif. If this was already explained at some point, then I'm sorry, I didn't know.
not to mention that the 'freedom' leitmotif plays during the cutscenes where you seal the fountains, AND is present in 'Don't Forget' (the credits song for chapter 1)
@@psycholonya honestly, because spamton tries to stop you from sealing the fountain in the genocide route, there could be more connections coming or already in game
It's not that World Revolving is being used as the leitmotif in BIG SHOT, it's that the main theme of the game is being used for the Shadow Crystal boss fights' leitmotif.
I actually wonder how it would even work narrativewise. The theoretical hook for spamton is that the same freedom jevil has is what he wants but can't get(With the Neo-leitmotif playing at the same time being the same thing with a return to fame)...or in the case of Side B, he got what he wanted by force, but he wants to stop the player from ripping it away from him again. I feel as if such a logical connection to jevil will be harder and harder to establish. However, we might just get a chain instead where the next secret boss instead takes aspects from Spamton and the next one after that takes from that person, etc.
Someone should basically make Rock Band but in this engine, and have it work this way for every song all the way through. And if you miss the timing, you get hurt until you die.
here's some speculation about why that might be the case: - spamton was made as he was by listening to the "garbage noise" on his phone - if we call on our phone in chapter 2's dark world (not sure about chapter 1) we hear the same garbage noise - the sound effect used is, i believe, the same as the one associated with W.D. Gaster - according to those FUN-value-related people who spawn in the core zone in undertale, gaster fell into the core when all his fucked up shit started happening in other words, spamton ==> garbage noise ==> gaster ==> the core from undertale, hence the leitmotif
@@Alpacnologia It's never stated he fell into the Core though, it is said he created the Core, then it's said he fell into his creation. One would think that by "his creation" they mean the Core, but it's not necessarily the case, maybe Toby is just trying to mislead the player.
@@NicoLetterio but that's like saying to someone "want a fiver?" and then punching them 5 times, and when they ask why replying "well i gave you 5 pounds" that would be terrible writing, well below toby's standard
@@Alpacnologia @Alpacnologia Well, I personally don't think it would be bad writing, but I'll explain a little bit more why I don't think his "creation" is necessarily the Core: The follower that talks about it first says that Gaster was a genius and that "they say he created the Core", they aren't sure of that info, and they give it to you just as a curious fact, with the purpose of explaining why he was considered a genius. Then he explains how he fell into his own creation, and does so with complete certainty, it would be weird if they knew that much about Gaster's accident, something probably a very few know, but wasn't certain if the Core was actually his creation or not (I mean, he probably knows what that creation is, if he weren't sure that creation was Gaster's, then he probably wouldn't call it "his creation"). In any case, the dialogue is divided in two parts: part 1, who was Gaster and why he was considered a genius, this is the part when they casually mention Gaster probably created the Core, just to give you an idea of how capable he was, part 2: what happened to him, not necessarily related to part 1 which is more of an introduction to the topic, and therefore why it would make sense for "his creation" to not be the Core (I'm not strictly saying it isn't, just that it would also make sense if it weren't).
What's insane about this is that every lemotiff connects to Spamton's character in some way. 1) Mettaton NEO and Spamton NEO both have similar designs and the Mettaton game mechanic is present. 2) Jevil and Spamton are both secret bosses who presumably went mad after gaining awareness of the game world they're in. 3) Same as Mettaton (hapstablook) and the dummy, Spamton possessed an inanimate object to gain more power. Toby, you mad genuis.
The connection with these leit motifs is that they're all ghosts except for jevil who is similar in that they know the truth or have some connection to gaster as theorized.
I'm still not sure of the connection to gaster with jevil, iirc he doesn't mention anything about it? it's just the one line from seam that happens to use the same phrasing
@@launchbase4944 no it's that they both talk about learning the truth and someone like gaster speaking to them. They also know about certain game mechanics to some extent. I'm referring to Jevil and Spamton. The ghosts I don't know
Will you do a video of most moments where Kris can be seen doing something out of the player's input? I know there's the scene at the end of chapter 1 but there's also when they shield Susie from the King, when they back away from Spamton etc. Makes me wonder if there are more.
fun fact 1:08 HE´S COMING FOR ME ANSWER THE PHONE I CAN´T EXPLAIN UNTIL YOU´RE ALL ALONE HE PULLS THE STRINGS AND MAKES THEM RING UNTIL YOUR HEART GETS RIPPED UP HE´S COMING FOR ME ANSWER THE PHONE I CAN´T EXPLAIN UNTIL YOU´RE ALL ALONE HE PULLS THE STRINGS AND MAKES THEM RING TELL YOU WHAT YOU BIG SHOT
I THINK HE'S COMING FOR ME ANSWER THE PHONE I CAN’T EXPlAIN UNTIL YOU'RE ALL ALONE HE PULLS THE STRINGS AND MAKE THEM RING UNTIL YOUR HEART GETS RIPPED OUT (or CANT TELL YOU HOW MUCH ITS RINGING) I THINK HE'S COMING FOR ME ANSWER THE PHONE CAN’T EXPLAIN UNTIL YOUR ALL ALONE HE PULLS THE STRINGS HE PULLS THE STRINGS TELL YOU WHAT YOU BIG SHOT
Fingers coming from inside the phone A hand is waiting 'till you're all alone It pulls the strings and make them ring Until your heart starts to break up Fingers coming from inside the phone A hand is waiting 'till you're all alone Pull the strings and pull the strings and- Tell you what you [[Big Shot]]
I like how some people are saying that someone finally said that the leitmotif in question is Power of Neo, and not Battle Against a True Hero, even though those two songs have the same leitmotif in question
*THANK. YOU.* As someone who's special interest is music with leitmotifs being a massive part of that, I can't tell you how many times someone hearing that motif and going "oH iT's jEviL's tHeMe" without actually analysing the two individuals and considering the thematics of the game. People hear a melody in someone's theme and assume it solely belongs to them, and any other theme produced using that motif must represent them and them alone. Dispite the characters/situations not showing any major evidence of a solid connection between the two! You're like one of a few people i've seen who have solidly been like "oh! It probably represents freedom rather than just Jevil." You are amazing! The rest of this is just stream of thought so feel free to ignore this- The NEO leitmotif seems to represent a massive power boost, as you hear it in this theme, power of NEO and Battle Against a True Hero. All situations involve a massive boost to one's power, spesifically their attack stat (albeit Spamton's only lasts until he goes deeper into the NEO body during the Snowgrave route). I would say the Dummy leitmotif could also have a deeper meaning (either anxiety/worry/urgency as all situations that contain that melody seem to have that general feel, or traditional fears like spiders or ghosts) but there isn't enough information or story that I know of to make a connection between *all* the places that contain this melody. A good frame of reference for finding a characters spesific leitmotif is through their encounter music (usually the first time). That is the only motif that is always consistent with that character, and usually doesn't contain any additional motifs beyond that. I want to spesify that by encounter I mean when they actually make their character known, like after Undyne reveals her face for example. This is pretty consistent with all the character's we've seen so far so if you ever get stuck with a character's leitmotif, this is a good way to check!
Weren’t leitmotifs as originally envisioned by Richard Wagner meant to represent concepts? So you actually are critically thinking about leitmotifs correctly.
Well, the song Dialtone is also completely compromised of another part of Jevil's theme, and given all the implications that Jevil has been to the Cyber World (or is at least somehow known there) I don't think a connection between Spamton and Jevil is to far fetched
This may sound like a bit of a stretch, but when The World Revolving plays it sounds like it’s also a leitmotif of a certain part in A Field of Hopes and Dreams, or it is at least using similar instruments.
BIG SHOT also has a little bit of the beginning of “your best nightmare,” not only in the song, but in the basement area on where you find the disc and the body it came from
I wonder if they’ll use the ‘Freedom’ leitmotif again in the next secret boss… or make it a theme where every boss fight uses a leitmotif from the previous… can’t wait
Pretty sure the freedom motif will be used since it's basically the secret boss leitmotif,plus I doubt that this will be the last time we will here the leitmotif.
Its a perfect use of leitmotifs as well because they convey all aspects of his design, the Mettaton Neo body, the Jevil-ish difficulty and the Dummy!-like marionette aspect.
Means Mr Fox did a perfect job! After all, Spamton in general is a corrupted character, pretty much to the point of insanity. Also congrats on defeating them! They are pretty tough.
Fans: Wow, 4 leitmotifs in a single song! There’s gotta be some lore connections, especially with Mettaton NEO! Toby: ayo guys how many leitmotifs can i fit in this song lmao
I love this track so much. I swear that one of the Omega Flowey noises is used in a few places, or something that pretty close. One spot is from 0:30-0:40
i keep getting recommended your deltarune content, and i must say im enjoying it a lot. thank you for producing such great videos, i and im sure a lot of others appreciate it too. have a nice day bruh!
I swear this boss is so damn fun, and the music makes the whole experience better. Honestly thinks it suits this secret fight more than the snowgrave neo fight
OH MY GOD, THANK YOU!!! I've been going insane trying to remember where I heard the dummy motif in Undertale. And I've also learned that Metaton EX theme is in it too? And Jevils?? Brb gonna go listen to those too
at about 1:25 theres this little solo section and he uses a lot of the same licks he did for mad dummys theme. namely the eighth note part at 1:30, which can be heard in the first 10 seconds of the mad dummy theme. i know theres already a connection to him with the little piano melody but i think its cool that he added a little more.
I’m starting to think the the freedom motif is more than a jevil motif and more of its own thing I recon the next secret boss will also have it and probably talk about freedom too maybe it will be something to do with being trapped inside a tv and being “forced” to do the same show over and over again but who knows?
It makes sense it uses all those leitmotifs considering we're fighting a puppet with the power of NEO who's also the special secret boss of the chapter. An excellent callback by Toby himself.
I think all of these leitmotifs come because of their character co-relation to Spamton, Mettaton NEO's because he has a NEO body, Jevil's because Spamton is basically this chapter equalivement of him and their backstories have something in common, and Dummy's because he's still basically a puppet/doll, having no control over himself.
When the Power of Neo section starts you can faintly hear the background of the first half of BaaTH with headphones in. Those sort of bassy bumps, I don't know what to call them
Something tells me all secret bosses are going to have that same tune from the world revolving. Maybe it all leads up to a secret final boss? Would be cool
okay, but, the fact that it starts with the spamton base, goes to neo and freedom, then ends on dummy… that’s really sad :( guy wanted to be free and surpass the things that kept him bound, but in the end, he was just a dummy
I knew The world revolving and one of Mettaton's themes would have had to be in Big Shot, Jevil and Mettaton are literally the only two characters ever made who are relatively similar to Spamton. (Maybe dummy as well?)
i feel like the inclusion of Dummy! is really important. its a battle theme from undertale, which canonically isnt the exact same universe from deltarune, yet when its first heard in Big Shot, all other music cuts off, with only that small leitmotif of Dummy playing. i dont know why but all this just makes the dummy leitmotif feel really important
To me it feels like Spamton kind of violently shifts between three 'personalities'. One is a [[BIG SHOT]] celebrity One has random violent outbursts One is meek and frightened How strange. _Spooky,_ some might say...
didnt see anyone else comment, but dummy! actually starts a little earlier at 1:35 . all of that is pulled from dummy's theme (the notes dropping at 1:40 is dummy's beat drop) toby is great
I can't hear it (even though I would really like to), could you leave a timestamp or the measure number or something for dummy's theme where this melody appears?
A couple quick things:
If a lot more of the video sounds like its similar to Dummy!, its because it does! Spamton and Dummy share the same soundfont at a lot of points during the song. Second, I've heard that there was core in the background of one part but haven't been able to pick up on it myself.
Wait you didnt pinned your comment?
Its literally the same soundfont
It’s not quite CORE, but The World Revolving’s section really reminds me of it due to the soundfont.
There is also a part that remixes the screams from the omega flowey fight (when he gets hit) into the groove... Toby is a freaking beast lmao
Aside from the screams (which appear at parts in the song like 0:33), there’s also the bomb detonation sound effect (1:18) and *I THINK* there’s Jevil’s laugh as well (1:21)?
The song BIG SHOT being four songs put together is ironic in a way as Spamton wanted to be free and his own individual yet his theme isn’t very original. And also the fact that mettaton Neo had the highest attack and Spamton Neo has the highest defence.
Didn't you know that [NEO] is famous for its high defence?
It's because he has his motif, the body and basement is representative of mettatons broken hopes and dreams (thus Neo motif and Dummy!! motif) and then finally the Nightmare Knight motif (the one used in The World Revolving) because of the Nightmare Knight motif is referencing whatever contact Jevil and Spamton share (the motif also is used in The Chase and Closet which i thought was interesting)
he's even using power gained from others, like the NEO body/the machine being Mettaton's hopes and dreams that he couldn't get in this world, and how he wants to use Kris' (the player's?) soul
@@lunaJAMv9 if spamton took a human soul would that mean they become a lightner because they now have a soul? I know monsters had the ability to absorb souls and that’s the whole reason the war happened in undertale but it’s kinda weird spamton wanted a human soul so bad if it wouldn’t even work so maybe darkners can absorb souls? Who knows maybe we’ll see. The sad thing is though even with kris’s soul he STILL wouldn’t have been free because it contains/contaminated by the player so we’d just take over spamton.
@@lunaJAMv9 just how spamton thinks the world work's, work with others and if that doesn't work, use them as stepping stones.
The final boss is just going to be every song Toby ever wrote back to back lol
And it will still slap
That actually sounds really nice, imagine if he included every Megalovania from Homestuck to Undertale
@@spotty530 and earthbound halloween hack
32 kujes
nice
@@lucasskywalification and smash bros
Personally I get massive Dummy vibes throughout most parts of the song. I think it makes sence since Spamton is a puppet, maybe posessed by a ghost too.
It's actually because they use similar soundfonts!
I don't think Spamton is a ghost more like he's an actual dark world character but became a puppet who's controlled by someone else
His backstory is strongly suggesting that
Like how we control Kris
They're both Mad Dummies.
Mad Dummy: Angry Mannequin
Spamton: Psychotic Puppet
I like to imagine that this is also because of the part at 0:41 to 0:48 where we have this long phrase that ends in a short phrase that repeats into itself 3 times before looping back into the long phrase, since that is the gimmick the mad dummy theme reiterates over and over through basically the whole song.
well, puppet and dummy are similar or even is just the same thing
Finally, a smart someone who says it’s power of neo and not Battle against a true hero.
ye
There are leitmotifs or both in the song.
Who said it was Battle Against the True Hero?
Bruh it's "Power of NEO" you're completely joking
@@spamtong.2299 yeah like, that’s what op said
So far, this boss has the most leitmotifs out of all bosses. And it takes from both deltarune and undertale
He has 4 motifs. I'm pretty sure Asgore ties him (Bergentruckung, Heartache, Determination, Spear of Justice)
@@trondordoesstuff well yeah, but i guess it extra point for spamton neo cause you know, it come from 2 games
asriel has more i think but i forgot
@@RomanGamerYT0 Hopes and Dreams I think only has 3, Once Upon A Time, Your Best Friend and Snowdin Town.
@@RomanGamerYT0
-Once Upon a Time
-Snowdin Motif
-Your Best Friend
actually, if you've been paying attention, the normal boss music theme of spamton starts off like megalovania this too, it just repeats the notes and makes it stuck in your head, and it's the secret in undertale music!
GOD WHY THIS MANY LIKES I DONT DESERVE THIS!
@@gamerha8515 ah, a fellow cultured person who doesn't edit their original comment to say thanks for likes.
I tip my hat to you, from one legend to another.
and 1:27 sounds like megalovania too
Reoccurring leitmotifs do give the soundtrack identity
the fun thing is, the song just plays 4 notes at diffrent pitches as background, so it's stuck in your head, and megalovania does the same thing by putting those beggining 4 notes as the background!
Okay, here's a small prediction: I believe that the "World Revolving" leitmotif won't be just a nod to Jevil. I think it will be the little tune that will play in every single hidden boss. I mean, Jevil and Spamton both talk about freedom, and so they both get the leitmotif. Maybe in a few chapters it'll just be the "Freedom" leitmotif. If this was already explained at some point, then I'm sorry, I didn't know.
not to mention that the 'freedom' leitmotif plays during the cutscenes where you seal the fountains, AND is present in 'Don't Forget' (the credits song for chapter 1)
@@psycholonya honestly, because spamton tries to stop you from sealing the fountain in the genocide route, there could be more connections coming or already in game
@@psycholonya Are they? I don't think so.
For now, I'm just calling it the secret boss leitmotif.
@@danieldavid3766 y-yes? the chorus is the exact same composition??
@@psycholonya as well as spamton’s shop
I wonder if the Jevil's leitmotif will be used for every character having a shadow crystal.
I think with chapter 3 we will change the name of the leitmotif to "Freedom", because its gonna represent "Freedom" in some aspects for hidden boses
@@swellos9998 A crystal each secret boss has. If you use it, you can see the room of the light world through it, but only for a second.
It's not that World Revolving is being used as the leitmotif in BIG SHOT, it's that the main theme of the game is being used for the Shadow Crystal boss fights' leitmotif.
I actually wonder how it would even work narrativewise. The theoretical hook for spamton is that the same freedom jevil has is what he wants but can't get(With the Neo-leitmotif playing at the same time being the same thing with a return to fame)...or in the case of Side B, he got what he wanted by force, but he wants to stop the player from ripping it away from him again.
I feel as if such a logical connection to jevil will be harder and harder to establish. However, we might just get a chain instead where the next secret boss instead takes aspects from Spamton and the next one after that takes from that person, etc.
Worth mentioning NEO and Dummy are near-constant presences in the theme
Really? Because I only hear neo pop up twice (TWR part and at the end.)
Can you do a vid showing what every weapon Kris equips turns into, the spooky sword turns into a halloween pencil on the Light World
Wood Blade - Pencil
Spookysword - Halloween Pencil
TwistedSword(?) - Lucky Pencil
MechaSaber - Mechanical Pencil
BounceBlade - Eraser
Mecha Saber = Mech. Pencil, Bounce Blade = Eraser
So basically all the sword is from noelle, because in snowgrave she says something like "remember all the pencil i gave to you"
Susie is right. Susie says kris sword is like a stick-pencil, and in the real world it's trully true
So all the Swords were the Pencils that Kris borrowed from Noelle
1:03 “HE TOOK MY LEITMOTIF IN THE DIVORCE, DIVORCE!”
Let’s all appreciate the attack bars lining up with the music at 0:05
I appreciate it.
1:15 it also sorta lines up
Same at 1:36
yas queen
Someone should basically make Rock Band but in this engine, and have it work this way for every song all the way through. And if you miss the timing, you get hurt until you die.
So this is the battle we haven't had in Undertale genocide route.. how kind of him.
Is nobody gonna talk about how the fight sliders in 0:05 sync almost perfectly to the song?
i was gonna comment that just now lol
this just made my day
@@logansanders8838 cool
Perfect timing
It also has Napstablook sounds at 0:20
at 1:18 you have an harp with the end of CORE motif on your right in the full length song
here's some speculation about why that might be the case:
- spamton was made as he was by listening to the "garbage noise" on his phone
- if we call on our phone in chapter 2's dark world (not sure about chapter 1) we hear the same garbage noise - the sound effect used is, i believe, the same as the one associated with W.D. Gaster
- according to those FUN-value-related people who spawn in the core zone in undertale, gaster fell into the core when all his fucked up shit started happening
in other words, spamton ==> garbage noise ==> gaster ==> the core from undertale, hence the leitmotif
@@Alpacnologia yes
@@Alpacnologia It's never stated he fell into the Core though, it is said he created the Core, then it's said he fell into his creation. One would think that by "his creation" they mean the Core, but it's not necessarily the case, maybe Toby is just trying to mislead the player.
@@NicoLetterio but that's like saying to someone "want a fiver?" and then punching them 5 times, and when they ask why replying "well i gave you 5 pounds"
that would be terrible writing, well below toby's standard
@@Alpacnologia @Alpacnologia Well, I personally don't think it would be bad writing, but I'll explain a little bit more why I don't think his "creation" is necessarily the Core:
The follower that talks about it first says that Gaster was a genius and that "they say he created the Core", they aren't sure of that info, and they give it to you just as a curious fact, with the purpose of explaining why he was considered a genius. Then he explains how he fell into his own creation, and does so with complete certainty, it would be weird if they knew that much about Gaster's accident, something probably a very few know, but wasn't certain if the Core was actually his creation or not (I mean, he probably knows what that creation is, if he weren't sure that creation was Gaster's, then he probably wouldn't call it "his creation").
In any case, the dialogue is divided in two parts: part 1, who was Gaster and why he was considered a genius, this is the part when they casually mention Gaster probably created the Core, just to give you an idea of how capable he was, part 2: what happened to him, not necessarily related to part 1 which is more of an introduction to the topic, and therefore why it would make sense for "his creation" to not be the Core (I'm not strictly saying it isn't, just that it would also make sense if it weren't).
At 2:08 I like how it kinda "glitches" into power of neo a bit before going back to the original rhythm
YESSS that’s my fav part too
Ikr it goes so hard
Wait whys there a 1 year difference between all this 😭😭
What's insane about this is that every lemotiff connects to Spamton's character in some way.
1) Mettaton NEO and Spamton NEO both have similar designs and the Mettaton game mechanic is present.
2) Jevil and Spamton are both secret bosses who presumably went mad after gaining awareness of the game world they're in.
3) Same as Mettaton (hapstablook) and the dummy, Spamton possessed an inanimate object to gain more power.
Toby, you mad genuis.
0:41 You can hear dummy theme to in here
The connection with these leit motifs is that they're all ghosts except for jevil who is similar in that they know the truth or have some connection to gaster as theorized.
I'm still not sure of the connection to gaster with jevil, iirc he doesn't mention anything about it?
it's just the one line from seam that happens to use the same phrasing
@@launchbase4944 no it's that they both talk about learning the truth and someone like gaster speaking to them. They also know about certain game mechanics to some extent.
I'm referring to Jevil and Spamton.
The ghosts I don't know
@@Zinkolothe ghosts might be because of how spamton is like a puppet with the strings controlling him
truly a [MIXTURE] of [HALF PRICE MUSIC DISC]
[MIXTAPE]
Will you do a video of most moments where Kris can be seen doing something out of the player's input?
I know there's the scene at the end of chapter 1 but there's also when they shield Susie from the King, when they back away from Spamton etc. Makes me wonder if there are more.
Yeah I think it could be cool to compile them, working on some Kris videos right now
@@MysticSlime epic
fun fact: battle against a true hero is a remix of power of neo
(or the other way around you decide)
actually, isn't it a leitmotif?
@@calliethesimp1187 no? just try singing the songs, and try seeing a difference in the actual song part
@@RomanGamerYT0 Ohh yep sorry lol, it was like 1am when i wrote that and I wasn't thinking xD
@@calliethesimp1187 happens to me too
@@RomanGamerYT0 yep I love it when I go insane at 1 in the morning
I never realized Spamtons themes complete a sentence
"NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO BE A"
"BIG SHOT"
I feel the world revolving is gonna be a theme used in every hidden boss fight
It makes sense in a way
fun fact 1:08 HE´S COMING FOR ME
ANSWER THE PHONE
I CAN´T EXPLAIN
UNTIL YOU´RE ALL ALONE
HE PULLS THE STRINGS
AND MAKES THEM RING
UNTIL YOUR HEART
GETS RIPPED UP
HE´S COMING FOR ME
ANSWER THE PHONE
I CAN´T EXPLAIN
UNTIL YOU´RE ALL ALONE
HE PULLS THE STRINGS
AND MAKES THEM RING
TELL YOU WHAT YOU BIG SHOT
YOO I HEAR IT NOW
I THINK HE'S COMING FOR ME ANSWER THE PHONE
I CAN’T EXPlAIN UNTIL YOU'RE ALL ALONE
HE PULLS THE STRINGS AND MAKE THEM RING
UNTIL YOUR HEART GETS RIPPED OUT
(or CANT TELL YOU HOW MUCH ITS RINGING)
I THINK HE'S COMING FOR ME ANSWER THE PHONE
CAN’T EXPLAIN UNTIL YOUR ALL ALONE
HE PULLS THE STRINGS HE PULLS THE STRINGS
TELL YOU WHAT YOU BIG SHOT
Fingers coming from inside the phone
A hand is waiting 'till you're all alone
It pulls the strings and make them ring
Until your heart starts to break up
Fingers coming from inside the phone
A hand is waiting 'till you're all alone
Pull the strings and pull the strings and-
Tell you what you [[Big Shot]]
I like how some people are saying that someone finally said that the leitmotif in question is Power of Neo, and not Battle Against a True Hero, even though those two songs have the same leitmotif in question
spamton is literally neo, why would it be battle against a true hero motif?
NEO motif is higher and loops
And this was also the song when Toby got bold enough to just rip sounds from earthbound.
This just proves that toby made like five new songs for deltarune
*THANK. YOU.* As someone who's special interest is music with leitmotifs being a massive part of that, I can't tell you how many times someone hearing that motif and going "oH iT's jEviL's tHeMe" without actually analysing the two individuals and considering the thematics of the game. People hear a melody in someone's theme and assume it solely belongs to them, and any other theme produced using that motif must represent them and them alone. Dispite the characters/situations not showing any major evidence of a solid connection between the two! You're like one of a few people i've seen who have solidly been like "oh! It probably represents freedom rather than just Jevil."
You are amazing!
The rest of this is just stream of thought so feel free to ignore this-
The NEO leitmotif seems to represent a massive power boost, as you hear it in this theme, power of NEO and Battle Against a True Hero. All situations involve a massive boost to one's power, spesifically their attack stat (albeit Spamton's only lasts until he goes deeper into the NEO body during the Snowgrave route).
I would say the Dummy leitmotif could also have a deeper meaning (either anxiety/worry/urgency as all situations that contain that melody seem to have that general feel, or traditional fears like spiders or ghosts) but there isn't enough information or story that I know of to make a connection between *all* the places that contain this melody.
A good frame of reference for finding a characters spesific leitmotif is through their encounter music (usually the first time). That is the only motif that is always consistent with that character, and usually doesn't contain any additional motifs beyond that. I want to spesify that by encounter I mean when they actually make their character known, like after Undyne reveals her face for example. This is pretty consistent with all the character's we've seen so far so if you ever get stuck with a character's leitmotif, this is a good way to check!
hmmmm good point
Weren’t leitmotifs as originally envisioned by Richard Wagner meant to represent concepts? So you actually are critically thinking about leitmotifs correctly.
Well, the song Dialtone is also completely compromised of another part of Jevil's theme, and given all the implications that Jevil has been to the Cyber World (or is at least somehow known there) I don't think a connection between Spamton and Jevil is to far fetched
This may sound like a bit of a stretch, but when The World Revolving plays it sounds like it’s also a leitmotif of a certain part in A Field of Hopes and Dreams, or it is at least using similar instruments.
The way Toby has been using leitmotifs in his Undertale and deltarune music for a while has never been disappointing
1:48 I KNEW IT WAS A PART OF THE DUMMY SONG. I WAS SEARCHING FOR IT BC I FEEL IT KINDA SOUNDS FAMILIAR BUT I FORGOR SO I FOUND THIS VIDEO
BIG SHOT also has a little bit of the beginning of “your best nightmare,” not only in the song, but in the basement area on where you find the disc and the body it came from
The dummy soundfont breakdown around 1:30 while not directly a leitmotif is a cool musical allusion to the intro of Dummy!
I wonder if they’ll use the ‘Freedom’ leitmotif again in the next secret boss… or make it a theme where every boss fight uses a leitmotif from the previous… can’t wait
Pretty sure the freedom motif will be used since it's basically the secret boss leitmotif,plus I doubt that this will be the last time we will here the leitmotif.
Jevil seems a little more important than ppl think parts of his leitmotif appear a lot even when closing the fountain in the first chapter
are you slow? that isn't his theme. listen to the soundtrack again.
Its a perfect use of leitmotifs as well because they convey all aspects of his design, the Mettaton Neo body, the Jevil-ish difficulty and the Dummy!-like marionette aspect.
0:48 those hits sinc perfect.
Just got through this fight. Grueling as hell, and between all the mess of the fight and the different leitmotifs, it messed with my head a lot
Means Mr Fox did a perfect job! After all, Spamton in general is a corrupted character, pretty much to the point of insanity. Also congrats on defeating them! They are pretty tough.
the dummy bit at the end killed me when I heard it, it was so fucking cool!
Fans: Wow, 4 leitmotifs in a single song! There’s gotta be some lore connections, especially with Mettaton NEO!
Toby: ayo guys how many leitmotifs can i fit in this song lmao
I love this track so much. I swear that one of the Omega Flowey noises is used in a few places, or something that pretty close.
One spot is from 0:30-0:40
I can almost hear it!
Good find, Table Salt!
i keep getting recommended your deltarune content, and i must say im enjoying it a lot. thank you for producing such great videos, i and im sure a lot of others appreciate it too.
have a nice day bruh!
I swear this boss is so damn fun, and the music makes the whole experience better. Honestly thinks it suits this secret fight more than the snowgrave neo fight
Now is your chance to have a [BIG] -----
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Thanks for putting this here. I like the song but was too preoccupied with getting my ass kicked to properly listen to it
eventually toby is literally gonna make songs out of songs and they are STILL gonna be absolute bangers
I have a feeling “World Revolving” is just going to be the motif for all the Shadow Crystal bosses
OH MY GOD, THANK YOU!!! I've been going insane trying to remember where I heard the dummy motif in Undertale. And I've also learned that Metaton EX theme is in it too? And Jevils?? Brb gonna go listen to those too
I've always thought the part with the Dummy! leitmotifs were actually a Napstablook reference.
Well I guess both share the same soundfonts.
Proof he is a [[big shot]]
The sound effects that begin at 0:20 really sound like the noises that ROB makes from Mario Kart DS
Oh my god it DOES
at about 1:25 theres this little solo section and he uses a lot of the same licks he did for mad dummys theme. namely the eighth note part at 1:30, which can be heard in the first 10 seconds of the mad dummy theme. i know theres already a connection to him with the little piano melody but i think its cool that he added a little more.
I NEVER HEARD THE WORLD REVOLVING
nice to have it pointed out
i love calling it the freedom leitmotif
“I LOVE [copyright]!”
it’s pretty cool his songs is 4 songs putted together
There’s a small part of the room in between that sounds like Jevil and Spamton as well. If you play close attention you can sort of notice it
0:55 could be Battle against a true hero too since mettaton neo and undyne share the same theme at the start
Now's your chance to [STEAL MEGALOVANIA]
At this point the melody that The World Revolving and BIG SHOT share represents what those two bosses both share: a desire for freedom.
I’m starting to think the the freedom motif is more than a jevil motif and more of its own thing I recon the next secret boss will also have it and probably talk about freedom too maybe it will be something to do with being trapped inside a tv and being “forced” to do the same show over and over again but who knows?
Spamton is a scammer
It makes sense that his theme is just parts of other songs
I geeked the hell out with all Undertale callbacks here.
It makes sense it uses all those leitmotifs considering we're fighting a puppet with the power of NEO who's also the special secret boss of the chapter.
An excellent callback by Toby himself.
1:21 I swear at the end when spamton says "Don't you wanna be a big shot" I can hear Jevil's laugh for a slight moment
Now's your chance to be a + big shot = Now's your chance to be a big shot
I think all of these leitmotifs come because of their character co-relation to Spamton, Mettaton NEO's because he has a NEO body, Jevil's because Spamton is basically this chapter equalivement of him and their backstories have something in common, and Dummy's because he's still basically a puppet/doll, having no control over himself.
Lol we were thinking the same thing
At the beginning the background melody is a sped up version of Your Best Nightmare
Yes, like the basement of the mansion, also has that leitmotiv, I think it's a nice detail
Its not your best nightmare, different chord progression. Very different.
The only difference I can hear is it has one extra higher note on the end but the first three sound very similar to me
when i first heard this song, i recognized all of these leitmotifs. then i told it to my friend, pointing out the minutes. she was pretty surprised.
When the Power of Neo section starts you can faintly hear the background of the first half of BaaTH with headphones in. Those sort of bassy bumps, I don't know what to call them
it hit at the beginning
but then it hit more when: nows your chance to be a big shot. be a big be a big begge shot
I'd like to point out that jevil/freedom part is taken from Don't Forget as far as i can recall
not really, that was another part
you're half right
Something tells me all secret bosses are going to have that same tune from the world revolving. Maybe it all leads up to a secret final boss? Would be cool
okay, but, the fact that it starts with the spamton base, goes to neo and freedom, then ends on dummy…
that’s really sad :(
guy wanted to be free and surpass the things that kept him bound, but in the end, he was just a dummy
I knew The world revolving and one of Mettaton's themes would have had to be in Big Shot, Jevil and Mettaton are literally the only two characters ever made who are relatively similar to Spamton. (Maybe dummy as well?)
when they chose fight during the first attack, it went together perfectly
I think some of the parts from the world revolving will end up being something of the main theme of deltarune as a whole, but that’s just my theory
MY GAME THEORY
Like its a part of the songs that tells us that SPAMPTON is a Dummy thats inside a robot with a broken soul
i feel like the inclusion of Dummy! is really important. its a battle theme from undertale, which canonically isnt the exact same universe from deltarune, yet when its first heard in Big Shot, all other music cuts off, with only that small leitmotif of Dummy playing. i dont know why but all this just makes the dummy leitmotif feel really important
I have a feeling THE WORLD REVOLVING was shown a little longer than it was supposed to, but I may or may not be wrong
Ok, so I’m assuming that Gaster is the final boss of these games and spamton was his puppet.
0:32 you can hear what sounds like final boss flowy pain sounds/screams in the background.
0:33
does anyone else hear Omega Flowey's hurt scream?
It's actually the "WOW" sound effect from Earthbound
at the timestamp 1:40 you can hear dummy.
I love the connection with Mettaton and Dummy, since a crucial point the three of them share, is the want of getting a new body
Jevil: chaos freedom leitmotiff
Tom of spam: *f r e e d o m n e o*
might be a different soundfont but thats definitely a bit of the mettaton leitmotif in the beginning
To me it feels like Spamton kind of violently shifts between three 'personalities'.
One is a [[BIG SHOT]] celebrity
One has random violent outbursts
One is meek and frightened
How strange. _Spooky,_ some might say...
I feel the same!
This fight is the closest thing we have to a Mettaton Neo figth
Thers also some little bits of mad dummy in there
These fit so well.
I love this song
*[The air crackles with freedom]*
Everybody speaking about the Leitmotifs but nobody speaking about how the instruments are literally the sames as in Power of Neo and Mad Dummy.
i just realized that the dummy means spamton is being controlled
How so?
You are confusing a marionette with a dummy, bro.
Motifs: Power of NEO
Battle Against a True Hero: what about me, we are just arguing rn.
didnt see anyone else comment, but dummy! actually starts a little earlier at 1:35 . all of that is pulled from dummy's theme (the notes dropping at 1:40 is dummy's beat drop) toby is great
I can't hear it (even though I would really like to), could you leave a timestamp or the measure number or something for dummy's theme where this melody appears?