I don't like the concept of the grading fee being tied to the estimated price of the coin after grading. It's one thing if the customer says not to slab an item if the coin doesn't reach a certain grade. That's fine, because it's the customer's decision. But to charge a percentage of the final estimated value introduces a conflict of interest. The higher they grade the coin, the higher their fee. They should just establish a flat rate for the grading service, depending on what the customer orders. The rate could vary by type of coin, but there should be no extra incentive to grade a coin higher in order to increase their fee.
On the other hand it is also in the companies interest to keep the population of their high scores lower on coins so the population of those grades will be worth more on the market. Especially now with modern coins where A LOT of stuff ends up with 69 when a larger number of 70s would be more honest.
These gradings have become merely a way to attach higher asset value to an item. It’s become a way to turn your money into a value-retaining asset so as to keep ahead of inflation. Same with things like valuable baseball cards, or works of art, anything. So the grading cert has become a sort of “hey now it’s worth more permanently.” And yes, it is 100% by definition a conflict of interest.
John Larson It is scary! This is a great looking coin. But, if you send a really high value coin. You're going to pay dearly for a high grade. I want my top coins graded. But, the cost would be more than I paid for my property. I don't like the 1% fee and extras. I feel like it's gouging customer's. A grade is grade, why is ok to take fee because you have a nice coin? Personally, I'm in to conserving the coins. I don't really care if the sell or not! So, if I send a coin in to be graded, and it cost more than 10 acres of land! I'm buying the land & the coin stays in our collection. As well the grading companies don't get into details that much. I'm just not sold on grading. Because, of the extra fees for nothing! But, that is a beautiful coin, I feel it was still 68. Just my personal opinion. Love what Daniel does! 👍
@@jamiross7816 yeah, I love Daniel too, he's the greatest. Since you brought it up. I have this 1959 Philly nickel that I came across recently, no exaggerations here at all, it has gorgeous striations on the obverse and six full steps. It even has the outer steps are four full complete steps. It's almost proof like in appearance literally. The coin has two small Nicks on the entire coin it's as unscathed as almost a proof coin, but my fear is having it graded, because I don't know how they'll treat me being a non dealer. I compared the coin against everything graded by PCGS in all years it's easily a MS67 + but I feel they could curse me with some kind of 66 or 66 + grade. Which is literally a $7,000 difference, and like you said, why should I be screwed if I even got the high grade to pay some stupid 1% fee. But I really have to get this coin photo graded because the striations look terrific under digital photography. Thanks for listening.
@@Car1Sagan yes pcgs has some convinced everyone they have the Midas touch. And there plastic slabs and graders have been sent here from the some other Coin Grading Higher Dimension..all hail PCGS lol
John Larson I here you. The nicks might take it down for sure. They could send back as damaged. That would not be uncommon. Because, they look at everything. It could also just be bag markes that don't really matter that much. On a coin Like that I would send. It be worth it. I would most likely send to ANACS personally. What I have issue with is that you pay the membership for PCGS, and it doesn't matter if it's top membership or lower entry level. You will still pay that 1% service charge. On all high value coins. On coins under 10g it's possible to make a profit. But, when you are dealing with high end coins. It's not easy to recover that money. We have large collection. About a 10th of it is extra high grade. So, I can't afford to have all of the graded. As well my brother buys graded coins, at below market value. He never pays more than 1/3 value & he doesn't have any problems doing it. So, why should we pay full price and take the risk, when we can get them for 1/3 of the cost already graded. He has a broker that continually solicits PCGS coins, and he buys them. Then holds them for 5 year's & doubles his money. So, I think it's a disservice for grading companies to charge a sur charge on coins. In my opinion, it's about conserving or preserving coins. I look at the service charge as gouging! I know that they can be acquired under market value. But, hear what your saying. I have the same issue's.
I'm almost officially out of coin collecting. I would like to say it was fun but it wasn't. People really need to pay close attention to what Daniel says and watch his videos it will save you a lot of heart ache. I will continue to collect scrap silver. And continue to watch Daniel.
Thank you for sharing your experience with crossing your coin to another coin grading service. I'm just curious...what did ANACS charge you to grade the coin originally? It's like PCGS took over the coin grading business from the other 2 and people are only trusting them for a grade that will make them more money. Seems that everyone is having their coins re-graded by them because of their grading scale and reputation. Why do you think this has happened and can you do a video about the differences in these 3 companies. Great informative video of your personal experience.
To me this is just another PCGS horror story. Someday before I die I would love to hear a LEGITIMATE explanation of why an ANACS 68 is (apparently) inferior to a PCGS 68. This most recent example of inequity only goes to reinforce the myth that we should be more interested in the name on the slab than the actual grade of the coin! It's ridiculous. And is NGC inferior too? We'd be hard pressed not to believe it. Yet, not long ago, PCGS took no responsibility (as far as I know) for returning PR DCAM70 silver eagles with milk spots all over them, ruining their overall brilliance and appearance. Nobody wants them -- at least nobody I know. -- I sure don't want them! How happy would you be to send your NGC or ANACS graded PR70 Ultra Cam for crossover to PCGS and get it back as 69DCAM with milk spots on it? There's no getting away from the issue: buyers are actually paying more money for PCGS slabs. It's as if all the graders at ANACS, NGC and ICG are morons. For years I have suspected that something very unethical is going on. I can't prove it. It's just one story (like this one) after another, and after another. Daniel's is just the most recent -- and he's too decent a guy to complain too loudly; so, I'm doing it for him. LOL -- Something's rotten in Denmark, and someday the truth is going to come out.
I live right here in Sarasota and I can't even walk into NGC and drop off my coins locally. What kind of setup is that, really encourages me to want to do business with them. I have to ship my coins to and from them when I live right here. Your right, it's a big scam. Someday I think all these collectors need to get together maybe it's time for another big Grading Company to be developed that we all can believe in. I love the Monopoly. I love this collusion. Your right, it stinks to high heaven!
People made that happen. At the end Anacs was first and know more than PCGS. PCGS is greedy and by experience I can tell you that they are not organized. I trust more ANACS that PCGS.
I agree with you 100 percent, and he educates people like me with sound FACTS I learn something from every video of his that I see. It's wonderful to have someone that's knowledgeable remove some of the mystique around grading and pricing .
I am a lover of all ENTHUSIASTS. Have you ever talked to Blue Ridge Silverhound. His name is SHAUN. We all want to help each other.He does a MONDAY MARKET Report and I know and believe in my heart we all can get our coins to the collection they deserve to be in.BOYFRIEND....YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL KENNEDY THERE. AND OF COURSE YOU KNOW...""STALKER TRULY IS LOOKING OUT FOR YOU.( I ALWAYS will) just thinkin. I would love to see that OHIO gentleman "Mr. DANIEL Malone" see you get the dollars they are bringing at auction? Thank you And MAY you PLEASE...keep bringing us great videos. THANK YOU BOYFRIEND ❤×1000005
PCGS has nice, slim and crystal clear slabs than blurry hard plastic ANACS cases. Moreover, ANACS charge lesser fees than PCGS and once a while $10 for each USA coin grading promotion. PCGS in Orange County California where ANACS at Colorado. The turn around time and shipping base on your return address and research time. But for the cost and not super rare coins I have. I choose ANACS, and this company has conservation service professionally clean some of your dirty old US 1912 and Indian pennies with Abt $30 fees. But the grade will not print "cleaned" to devalue the coins.
I want to buy coins not holders. I think ANACS is the only grading service that is reasonably priced. PCGS is out of control for what it charges. I wouldn't send anything there to be graded, and I still examine the coin, no matter what holder says. NGC, PCGS and ANACS do have strict guidelines for there holders, but ANACS is much more affordable for the same service.
LOL ... "handling?" That term has bothered me since I was a kid. I ordered stuff from the back pages of comic books and my all time favorite magazine, Famous Monsters of Filmland and there it was: handling. Talk about a vague term, eh? I pictured some pretty funny things! Anyway, I don't think I ever got a straight answer until this world wide web thing came along.
And this is why I have not sent in my SMS 67 quarter, my partial collar nickel or any of several BU/AU/UNC coins I've picked up. They aren't worth that kind of investment.
It's a leveraged commodity just like an ETF without slippage or time penalties. In a age where nobody trusts the stock market? Should be like selling life jackets on the titanic
Well then ----- I have a 1799 that is in a old ANA holder straight graded AU 50 . Im just thinking of getting it crossed over and not only that-- im expecting it to return as a AU55
PCGS Perception of Coins Godlike Surrender ..your coins to our perceptions that change so often... Send that same coin back next year under a different name in a plain slab it might very well get an upgrade by a different Grader.
The only way I have been successful grading coins is sending what I intend on keeping for my personal collection and not really caring about the cost but it still makes you sick at your stomach when it's thousands of dollars
My local coin shop charges $45.00 to have a coin sent off to be graded. I am happy that you shared this with everyone. When you are serious about collecting coins. Solid information is always the most helpful. Hope to see you at F.U.N, show in Orlando this coming January. Coffee is on me LOL
It's like you read my mind and make a video. scarey...lol. I have been researching the cost of crossing over a couple coins. I am 6 months new at this. And have made mistakes that I can't afford. So, your videos are phenomenal for me. I Thank You Greatly.!!!!
First, in no way am I implying you, a leader in honesty in numismatics, are dishonest. TOp 25% - very humble of you - but I think most of your subscribers like myself would put you up much higher on the scale👍🏻 Your video shows why one of my pet peeves (as you probably know form my comments anyway LOL!) are these shyster grading companies. I sure wouldn't want to hire an expert plumber/mechanic/electrician who used their expert talents as haphazardly as these "expert" grading companies. Like you said, you could have told them you wanted it back as a 68 and they would have done this. I would think people who pay out thousands for what the label says would be shocked and angered over something like this. It just goes to show how much the marketers have turned the coin hobby into a brand new hobby they invented for profit (just business to them). Expert electrician's : Rest assured our experts will gladly wire your house according to code...or to your own ideals if so desired (despite your paying US for being the experts).
I think you misunderstood what he said. I think the whole purpose of this video is he wanted it in a PCGS HOLDER.if pcgs didn't feel it was a 68 grade and he asked doe that they would have sent it back in the ANACS SLAB
@@CoinHELPu I'm not a fan of PCGS. They milk the coin collectors. I wish the tables were turned on them where ANACS is equally or more respected, as they should be. Then PCGS's tune will change and have more competitive pricing.
Have you ever broke the coin out of the ANACS holder and submit as a new grade? Any reason to do this? I have seen so many ANACS coins go for less just because of the grading company. I do not buy ANACS coins unless I feel their is an opportunity to upgrade. I think PCGS might look at a ANACS coin in the holder with much more scrutiny (risking down grading) due to the premium they place on their service. Maybe breaking it out and submitting as a raw new coin is better? Thoughts?
Great video. I purchased a 66 and a 67 sms last month from one of the fb groups. The 66 turned out to be a double die variety, cam. I was the highest bidder at only 27$. But I'm like u I send all of my coins to anacs before pcgs. It's a crap shoot every time. With facial recognition and blockchain technology I believe it's only a matter of time before one grading co takes over the market by scanning and using ai to grade a coin with consistency and 2 or 3 word explanation for the grade..
I'd like to take advantage of the ANACS grading service on some of my coins as I've never gone through the process, I just am concerned about the hidden fees
@@numanuma20i agree, why not 67+ but 67 so two grades lower Are NGC standards less than PCGS if so how? Also, if I look at a NGC coin should I assume it is a lower grade and pay less?
I like certain coin designs because of the beauty of them, not to flip and turn a profit. If the world economy went to shit tomorrow and everything including coins values went to near zero, i would use my cash and collect even more. I would love to see bust halves go to 5 bucks a piece, i would use my cash or whatever has value to buy some nice pq pieces ...............just a thought.
Yes, it is a cool thought if all the type coins went to nothing. All the coin shops would go out of business, coin shows would cease and the hobby as we know it would be dead. I would not want that to happen just so I could get coins cheap. You don't always need what you wish for, something like this would be worse than you think and those bust halves would be an after thought if all this happened. You would be trying to survive.
No it didn't drop it, the coin was already graded and then sent in a sealed holder for crossover. I used ezest way before it was ever sent off for grading.
Dont do business with PCGS....im still waiting to receive my submission send MARCH 8......NGC had my submission returned in 3 weeks.....coin grading unfortunately has become a racket.
Great find and you deserve the find because you work hard and proved an earlier video of yours on dipping. I recently saw a video sponsored by a popular grading company where the message was "friends don't let friends clean coins". This is all done because the grading companies want us submitters to pay for restoration, what a joke. You exposed this fallacy as you displayed you simple method for "restoring" high grade coins. It seems like the professionals are afraid to let the truth me known on cleaning, except for you of course. Due to ANACS's rise in popularity it would not surprise me if the top two graders most always drop the ANACS grades a point to make it look like they are not competent. My favorite Peace dollar is a MS65 graded by ANACS that you sold me at a discounted price. As always great video and hopefully your dad is still feeling fine, may you and yours be blessed with good health.
I've had very good "luck" with NGC. PCGC not so much. Had an NGC MS66 walker in one hand and a pcgs MS66 walker in the other...NGC was the better coin all around without a doubt.
I will go ahead and ask Daniel. Since PCGS graded you 2 grades lower from the NCG grade of 68 (67+, 67), should I assume that all NCG coins are potentially over graded and pay for coins one/two grades less in NCG holders? If PCGS or other graders dont say why, I'd that not what you are paying for....a professional grade?
@@CoinHELPu so are you saying that ANACS made a mistake or over evaluated the coin. If so, are you suggesting if purchasing a coin from ANACS, consider offer less value for there graded coins?
@@paulbegansky5650 I am saying ANACS graded it SP68 DCAM and PCGS graded it SP67 DCAM. Also at shows I can buy ANACS coins cheaper dealer to dealer and they expect me to sell them cheaper. So I just reporting the facts.
BOYFRIEND. YOU NEVER DISAPPOINT ! #1 CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! NEVER DOUBTED YOU. ❤ Now I will be sitting here in suspense when you send it off to the AUCTION. YOU certainly are DESERVING OF THAT COIN.THANK YOU FOR LEARNING US ENTHUSIASTS THE MONEY IT COST AND HELPING ME UNDERSTAND THE CROSSOVER. YOU NAILED IT. EXTREMELY PROUD OF YOU.❤×100000
Sir, not so much a comment as this is a queation. Ive found a one of a kind error coin and finding it hard to get this attributed/graded as my trust in third party grading companies is slim thinking they might loose my coin. My question, is there a place where I can walk in and they grade my coin
I know this was 4 years ago but I would love to see some updated new content regarding crossovers. I’m considering crossing over a Bechtler from NGC to PCGS
Auctions are crazy and unpredictable, 2 collectors with money in a bidding war can scew price discovery just like an uneducated gallery can . Society needs many more collectors for the numbers to start to be dependable. Every silver stacker will eventually become a numismatic collector..... that's why everyone should promote stacking as an investment strategy, you'll get more collectors , bigger auctions, higher prices with more dependable outcomes
$28 for shipping, and notice that doesn't include handling, which is charged separately! That's ridiculous. If you did that on feebay they would be all over you, even if it is clearly stated up front.
Sir I can tell you’re a good man thanks for your help I am a former collector who is trying to get back I am not sure on Ms 63 to68 never sent coins in should I start with anacs also I have 25 consecutive serial numbers 100 $ bills mint crisp star notes 2017 not rare any help would be great thanks for telling of etsy
The way I see it is it depends on what kind they have in stock and how many are graded so what are you gonna do if you got these coins in and graded and you got more coming in at the grade or higher got give them a grade and you have the higher grades . You want to sell yours to maximize your profits what do you do ? Hmmm
How do you clean coin’s without destroying them . And what microscope would you recommend to use to examining coins ? Please let me know I’m new to coin collecting I’ve been collecting all my life . Now I have to see what I’ve collected .
That 1% they take out of the value of the coin should be more than enough for people to stop sending their coins to this company. If this is not STEALING, then nothing else is!
I have a 66 SMS that has a Roosevelt double dye reverse dime. I have been pondering to send it in for grading but these prices for grading have become criminal.
Daniel, you have probably already alluded to it, but I wonder how lower volume dealers are able to hedge against market downturns! It would seem disconcerting for a coin dealer!🙁
How long did it take to go thru this process? Beautiful coin by the way! As a new coin collector - I started a state coin collection and some of the better coins had a fog on them so I utilized my wife’s ultra sonic jewelry cleaner and it made them look shiny and brilliant! I am aware of the cautions of coin cleaning! Thanks for sharing your coin with us!
There was another TH-cam that did a crossover unboxing on a coin and he lost his cameo when he said that he didn't want a downgrade if he lost the cameo designation, that coin lost over $1000 in value. I'll link the video if I can find it.
ITS REALLY ALL TOO MUCH TO LEARN , AND ASK OF A PERSON , TO DO ALL THAT . IT'S A MAJOR , LEARNING CURVE . I WAS GOING TO GET INTO COINS , ... BUT ITS A HARD THING TO EVEN LEARN THE LANGUAGE . JUST MELT IT DOWN AND SELL AS SCRAP .
I don't like the concept of the grading fee being tied to the estimated price of the coin after grading. It's one thing if the customer says not to slab an item if the coin doesn't reach a certain grade. That's fine, because it's the customer's decision. But to charge a percentage of the final estimated value introduces a conflict of interest. The higher they grade the coin, the higher their fee. They should just establish a flat rate for the grading service, depending on what the customer orders. The rate could vary by type of coin, but there should be no extra incentive to grade a coin higher in order to increase their fee.
I agree
On the other hand it is also in the companies interest to keep the population of their high scores lower on coins so the population of those grades will be worth more on the market. Especially now with modern coins where A LOT of stuff ends up with 69 when a larger number of 70s would be more honest.
Totally agree!
I'm a newbie, but I agree. Also did you notice that they rounded the $1750 up to $1800 and charged Daniel $18?
These gradings have become merely a way to attach higher asset value to an item. It’s become a way to turn your money into a value-retaining asset so as to keep ahead of inflation. Same with things like valuable baseball cards, or works of art, anything. So the grading cert has become a sort of “hey now it’s worth more permanently.”
And yes, it is 100% by definition a conflict of interest.
The more you talk about these grading companies, the scarier the story gets!
John Larson It is scary! This is a great looking coin. But, if you send a really high value coin. You're going to pay dearly for a high grade.
I want my top coins graded. But, the cost would be more than I paid for my property.
I don't like the 1% fee and extras. I feel like it's gouging customer's.
A grade is grade, why is ok to take fee because you have a nice coin?
Personally, I'm in to conserving the coins. I don't really care if the sell or not! So, if I send a coin in to be graded, and it cost more than 10 acres of land!
I'm buying the land & the coin stays in our collection.
As well the grading companies don't get into details that much.
I'm just not sold on grading. Because, of the extra fees for nothing!
But, that is a beautiful coin, I feel it was still 68.
Just my personal opinion.
Love what Daniel does! 👍
@@jamiross7816 yeah, I love Daniel too, he's the greatest. Since you brought it up. I have this 1959 Philly nickel that I came across recently, no exaggerations here at all, it has gorgeous striations on the obverse and six full steps. It even has the outer steps are four full complete steps. It's almost proof like in appearance literally. The coin has two small Nicks on the entire coin it's as unscathed as almost a proof coin, but my fear is having it graded, because I don't know how they'll treat me being a non dealer. I compared the coin against everything graded by PCGS in all years it's easily a MS67 + but I feel they could curse me with some kind of 66 or 66 + grade. Which is literally a $7,000 difference, and like you said, why should I be screwed if I even got the high grade to pay some stupid 1% fee. But I really have to get this coin photo graded because the striations look terrific under digital photography. Thanks for listening.
@@johnlarson948 go with ANACS or NGC.
@@Car1Sagan yes pcgs has some convinced everyone they have the Midas touch. And there plastic slabs and graders have been sent here from the some other Coin Grading Higher Dimension..all hail PCGS lol
John Larson I here you. The nicks might take it down for sure. They could send back as damaged.
That would not be uncommon. Because, they look at everything. It could also just be bag markes that don't really matter that much.
On a coin Like that I would send. It be worth it.
I would most likely send to ANACS personally.
What I have issue with is that you pay the membership for PCGS, and it doesn't matter if it's top membership or lower entry level.
You will still pay that 1% service charge.
On all high value coins. On coins under 10g it's possible to make a profit.
But, when you are dealing with high end coins. It's not easy to recover that money.
We have large collection. About a 10th of it is extra high grade.
So, I can't afford to have all of the graded.
As well my brother buys graded coins, at below market value.
He never pays more than 1/3 value & he doesn't have any problems doing it.
So, why should we pay full price and take the risk, when we can get them for 1/3 of the cost already graded.
He has a broker that continually solicits PCGS coins, and he buys them.
Then holds them for 5 year's & doubles his money.
So, I think it's a disservice for grading companies to charge a sur charge on coins.
In my opinion, it's about conserving or preserving coins.
I look at the service charge as gouging!
I know that they can be acquired under market value.
But, hear what your saying. I have the same issue's.
This is a good lesson for everyone to make sure they know what they have before getting scammed, I mean graded
PCGS employees say "CHA-CHING!!!" when they get coins submitted to them. And at ANACS they say "Oh Well".
I'm almost officially out of coin collecting. I would like to say it was fun but it wasn't. People really need to pay close attention to what Daniel says and watch his videos it will save you a lot of heart ache. I will continue to collect scrap silver. And continue to watch Daniel.
Thanks
PCGS is the worse when talking about customer service. They are ver slappy
Thank you for sharing your experience with crossing your coin to another coin grading service. I'm just curious...what did ANACS charge you to grade the coin originally? It's like PCGS took over the coin grading business from the other 2 and people are only trusting them for a grade that will make them more money. Seems that everyone is having their coins re-graded by them because of their grading scale and reputation. Why do you think this has happened and can you do a video about the differences in these 3 companies. Great informative video of your personal experience.
Thank you!
To me this is just another PCGS horror story. Someday before I die I would love to hear a LEGITIMATE explanation of why an ANACS 68 is (apparently) inferior to a PCGS 68. This most recent example of inequity only goes to reinforce the myth that we should be more interested in the name on the slab than the actual grade of the coin! It's ridiculous. And is NGC inferior too? We'd be hard pressed not to believe it. Yet, not long ago, PCGS took no responsibility (as far as I know) for returning PR DCAM70 silver eagles with milk spots all over them, ruining their overall brilliance and appearance. Nobody wants them -- at least nobody I know. -- I sure don't want them! How happy would you be to send your NGC or ANACS graded PR70 Ultra Cam for crossover to PCGS and get it back as 69DCAM with milk spots on it? There's no getting away from the issue: buyers are actually paying more money for PCGS slabs. It's as if all the graders at ANACS, NGC and ICG are morons. For years I have suspected that something very unethical is going on. I can't prove it. It's just one story (like this one) after another, and after another. Daniel's is just the most recent -- and he's too decent a guy to complain too loudly; so, I'm doing it for him. LOL -- Something's rotten in Denmark, and someday the truth is going to come out.
You have to take the monster down by the knees, never go for the head.
I live right here in Sarasota and I can't even walk into NGC and drop off my coins locally. What kind of setup is that, really encourages me to want to do business with them. I have to ship my coins to and from them when I live right here. Your right, it's a big scam. Someday I think all these collectors need to get together maybe it's time for another big Grading Company to be developed that we all can believe in. I love the Monopoly. I love this collusion. Your right, it stinks to high heaven!
People made that happen. At the end Anacs was first and know more than PCGS. PCGS is greedy and by experience I can tell you that they are not organized. I trust more ANACS that PCGS.
seems like the high prices will deter people from collecting and having coins graded.
I put you in the top five buddy...
Thank you, that is generous.
I agree with you 100 percent, and he educates people like me with sound FACTS I learn something from every video of his that I see. It's wonderful to have someone that's knowledgeable remove some of the mystique around grading and pricing .
I agree, I've learned so much in just a few months listening to Daniel.
I am a lover of all ENTHUSIASTS. Have you ever talked to Blue Ridge Silverhound. His name is SHAUN. We all want to help each other.He does a MONDAY MARKET Report and I know and believe in my heart we all can get our coins to the collection they deserve to be in.BOYFRIEND....YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL KENNEDY THERE. AND OF COURSE YOU KNOW...""STALKER TRULY IS LOOKING OUT FOR YOU.( I ALWAYS will) just thinkin. I would love to see that OHIO gentleman "Mr. DANIEL Malone" see you get the dollars they are bringing at auction? Thank you And MAY you PLEASE...keep bringing us great videos. THANK YOU BOYFRIEND ❤×1000005
That explains why my shop charges seventy dollars to have them send a coin off for grading.
PCGS has nice, slim and crystal clear slabs than blurry hard plastic ANACS cases. Moreover, ANACS charge lesser fees than PCGS and once a while $10 for each USA coin grading promotion. PCGS in Orange County California where ANACS at Colorado. The turn around time and shipping base on your return address and research time. But for the cost and not super rare coins I have. I choose ANACS, and this company has conservation service professionally clean some of your dirty old US 1912 and Indian pennies with Abt $30 fees. But the grade will not print "cleaned" to devalue the coins.
I want to buy coins not holders. I think ANACS is the only grading service that is reasonably priced. PCGS is out of control for what it charges. I wouldn't send anything there to be graded, and I still examine the coin, no matter what holder says. NGC, PCGS and ANACS do have strict guidelines for there holders, but ANACS is much more affordable for the same service.
LOL ... "handling?" That term has bothered me since I was a kid. I ordered stuff from the back pages of comic books and my all time favorite magazine, Famous Monsters of Filmland and there it was: handling. Talk about a vague term, eh? I pictured some pretty funny things! Anyway, I don't think I ever got a straight answer until this world wide web thing came along.
Very nice coin.. good job man
That has to be very disappointing. DAMN!!!😩
That's a lot of money for a Kennedy, I have a few SMS sets I'll have to look at them better. I'm pretty sure they aren't DCAM.
Wow wee that was nice to hear from you thanks again for your advice Colorado Silverback777 Stay Healthy.
Very Interesting. That 1966 Kennedy is just gorgeous 😍🥰😍🥰
And this is why I have not sent in my SMS 67 quarter, my partial collar nickel or any of several BU/AU/UNC coins I've picked up. They aren't worth that kind of investment.
I've gotten offers from Great Collections to put my 1979 s dime PCGS PR 69 DCAM so will see
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It's a leveraged commodity just like an ETF without slippage or time penalties. In a age where nobody trusts the stock market? Should be like selling life jackets on the titanic
Well then -----
I have a 1799 that is in a old ANA holder straight graded AU 50 .
Im just thinking of getting it crossed over and not only that-- im expecting it to return as a AU55
1799 what
Yeah 1799 what? Half? Did you get it crossed over yet?
.01 Half.dollar?
PCGS Perception of Coins Godlike Surrender ..your coins to our perceptions that change so often... Send that same coin back next year under a different name in a plain slab it might very well get an upgrade by a different Grader.
The only way I have been successful grading coins is sending what I intend on keeping for my personal collection and not really caring about the cost but it still makes you sick at your stomach when it's thousands of dollars
Never thought you could do a cross over, learned something new!
Gorgeous coin, Daniel! Good information to know. You're in the top 10% of folks I know. Thank you!
Thanks for that
I have made a lot of money just taking a coin out of a graded coin holders and sell them raw.
My local coin shop charges $45.00 to have a coin sent off to be graded. I am happy that you shared this with everyone. When you are serious about collecting coins. Solid information is always the most helpful. Hope to see you at F.U.N, show in Orlando this coming January. Coffee is on me LOL
Thank you! Would love to be able to make it.
It's like you read my mind and make a video. scarey...lol. I have been researching the cost of crossing over a couple coins. I am 6 months new at this. And have made mistakes that I can't afford. So, your videos are phenomenal for me. I Thank You Greatly.!!!!
First, in no way am I implying you, a leader in honesty in numismatics, are dishonest. TOp 25% - very humble of you - but I think most of your subscribers like myself would put you up much higher on the scale👍🏻
Your video shows why one of my pet peeves (as you probably know form my comments anyway LOL!) are these shyster grading companies. I sure wouldn't want to hire an expert plumber/mechanic/electrician who used their expert talents as haphazardly as these "expert" grading companies.
Like you said, you could have told them you wanted it back as a 68 and they would have done this. I would think people who pay out thousands for what the label says would be shocked and angered over something like this. It just goes to show how much the marketers have turned the coin hobby into a brand new hobby they invented for profit (just business to them).
Expert electrician's : Rest assured our experts will gladly wire your house according to code...or to your own ideals if so desired (despite your paying US for being the experts).
I think you misunderstood what he said. I think the whole purpose of this video is he wanted it in a PCGS HOLDER.if pcgs didn't feel it was a 68 grade and he asked doe that they would have sent it back in the ANACS SLAB
I guess like how you undergrade,Dan is undergrading himself,lol.He's TOP TIER 4SURE
Thanks for that
LOL
@@CoinHELPu I'm not a fan of PCGS. They milk the coin collectors. I wish the tables were turned on them where ANACS is equally or more respected, as they should be. Then PCGS's tune will change and have more competitive pricing.
What's this 1 percent bull snit. That seems like robbery,
very helpful information great job sir
They bumped it down DAMN it man!!
Have you ever broke the coin out of the ANACS holder and submit as a new grade? Any reason to do this? I have seen so many ANACS coins go for less just because of the grading company. I do not buy ANACS coins unless I feel their is an opportunity to upgrade. I think PCGS might look at a ANACS coin in the holder with much more scrutiny (risking down grading) due to the premium they place on their service. Maybe breaking it out and submitting as a raw new coin is better? Thoughts?
Yes, many times, thought my chances where better like this so I could keep the DCAM and get 67. I felt raw PCGS would have went SP66 Cameo
@Anthony Tsatsis PCGS or NGC are never under any pressure to match grades, and will almost always down grade ANACS grades.
Great video. I purchased a 66 and a 67 sms last month from one of the fb groups. The 66 turned out to be a double die variety, cam. I was the highest bidder at only 27$. But I'm like u I send all of my coins to anacs before pcgs. It's a crap shoot every time. With facial recognition and blockchain technology I believe it's only a matter of time before one grading co takes over the market by scanning and using ai to grade a coin with consistency and 2 or 3 word explanation for the grade..
Yes, and I hopeANACS does it. Also O & R grades and an overall grade.
Good morning Daniel, good video, that's a beautiful coin, see you next video.
Hi my name is Doug. I really enjoy your videos. But I have a very nice 1988 penny with NO FG on the back. Are there any others like this??.
Would need to be graded as no FG to mean anything.
I'd like to take advantage of the ANACS grading service on some of my coins as I've never gone through the process, I just am concerned about the hidden fees
No hidden fees. Call them.
pcgs has a monopoly
Why isn’t that a 70. It looks perfect 🤩
Did PCGS give a reason for downgrade from 68 to 67? Beautiful coin
No, they never do that.
Paul Begansky Beautiful coin, thanks for sharing info! 👍
CoinHELPu They should.
@@numanuma20i agree, why not 67+ but 67 so two grades lower
Are NGC standards less than PCGS if so how? Also, if I look at a NGC coin should I assume it is a lower grade and pay less?
Paul begansky, it's all about coin control population.
Damn ! That is one beauty of a coin Daniel ❣️ That's too bad they didn't go up on it, i mean REALLY🙄SMH😔
Great video, the 67 SMS is a knockout
Ridiculous! This can ruin collecting.
I like certain coin designs because of the beauty of them, not to flip and turn a profit. If the world economy went to shit tomorrow and everything including coins values went to near zero, i would use my cash and collect even more. I would love to see bust halves go to 5 bucks a piece, i would use my cash or whatever has value to buy some nice pq pieces ...............just a thought.
Yes, it is a cool thought if all the type coins went to nothing. All the coin shops would go out of business, coin shows would cease and the hobby as we know it would be dead. I would not want that to happen just so I could get coins cheap. You don't always need what you wish for, something like this would be worse than you think and those bust halves would be an after thought if all this happened. You would be trying to survive.
Any coin is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
Not true, one person does not define the market value.
I find it so amusing that people pay thousands of dollars for a Kennedy half. It makes no sense to me. *~:)
Same reason people pay hundreds of millions for a painting to hang on the wall I suppose. Not my idea of money well spent but to each his own.
Beautiful coin! Great info
Very beautuful coin!
It's a crap shoot
...and that's the problem! It really shouldn't be.
Didn't know you can do that
So now that you cleaned yr coin did it drop it 1 grade lower???and what did you use to clean it like that????
No it didn't drop it, the coin was already graded and then sent in a sealed holder for crossover. I used ezest way before it was ever sent off for grading.
Dont do business with PCGS....im still waiting to receive my submission send MARCH 8......NGC had my submission returned in 3 weeks.....coin grading unfortunately has become a racket.
Thanks. I Sent A 2004 -D Peace Medal Nickel To PCGS For Grading I Thought The Coin Looked Pretty Good. They Gave Me A MS 63.
It Did Not Make Me Happy.$78-00.
Great find and you deserve the find because you work hard and proved an earlier video of yours on dipping. I recently saw a video sponsored by a popular grading company where the message was "friends don't let friends clean coins". This is all done because the grading companies want us submitters to pay for restoration, what a joke. You exposed this fallacy as you displayed you simple method for "restoring" high grade coins. It seems like the professionals are afraid to let the truth me known on cleaning, except for you of course. Due to ANACS's rise in popularity it would not surprise me if the top two graders most always drop the ANACS grades a point to make it look like they are not competent. My favorite Peace dollar is a MS65 graded by ANACS that you sold me at a discounted price. As always great video and hopefully your dad is still feeling fine, may you and yours be blessed with good health.
I've had very good "luck" with NGC. PCGC not so much. Had an NGC MS66 walker in one hand and a pcgs MS66 walker in the other...NGC was the better coin all around without a doubt.
Thank You.
All The Best.
Great video!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am glad I watched this video before I crossover a TOP POP with a DD reverse from ANACS to PCGS
Interesting info. That was a god Ohio State vs. Michigan game as well!
YES! Michigan State
@@CoinHELPu Buckeyes are looking good. Do they play the Badgers this season?
I will go ahead and ask Daniel. Since PCGS graded you 2 grades lower from the NCG grade of 68 (67+, 67), should I assume that all NCG coins are potentially over graded and pay for coins one/two grades less in NCG holders? If PCGS or other graders dont say why, I'd that not what you are paying for....a professional grade?
I wasn't graded 2 grades lower. ANACS grade was lowered when PCGS graded it.
@@CoinHELPu so are you saying that ANACS made a mistake or over evaluated the coin. If so, are you suggesting if purchasing a coin from ANACS, consider offer less value for there graded coins?
@@paulbegansky5650 I am saying ANACS graded it SP68 DCAM and PCGS graded it SP67 DCAM. Also at shows I can buy ANACS coins cheaper dealer to dealer and they expect me to sell them cheaper. So I just reporting the facts.
BOYFRIEND. YOU NEVER DISAPPOINT ! #1 CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! NEVER DOUBTED YOU. ❤ Now I will be sitting here in suspense when you send it off to the AUCTION. YOU certainly are DESERVING OF THAT COIN.THANK YOU FOR LEARNING US ENTHUSIASTS THE MONEY IT COST AND HELPING ME UNDERSTAND THE CROSSOVER. YOU NAILED IT. EXTREMELY PROUD OF YOU.❤×100000
Beautiful coin
I am going back to Roman coins, modern coins are over hyped.
Good for you it is a nice one still haven't found mine in silver anyway but I do have an 1985 I believe that is a DCAM
How many of them sneak by if you regraded them if you had three of them ? how do they know?
I have no idea but you're not sneaking on PCGS
Sir, not so much a comment as this is a queation. Ive found a one of a kind error coin and finding it hard to get this attributed/graded as my trust in third party grading companies is slim thinking they might loose my coin. My question, is there a place where I can walk in and they grade my coin
You need to go to a big show like FUN or Long beach or an ANA show
Thank you for your rapid and recent reply.
Awesome coin!
I dont even agree with cac alot of times in think they over grade alot.
They don't grade coins but verify or approve a coin in an NCG or PCGS holder
👌!🥂
Can you send a pcgs graded coin in ms66 in a older case holder back to pcgs for the new gold shield holder? Thank you
Call PCGS on that one.
@@CoinHELPu thank you for your time
I know this was 4 years ago but I would love to see some updated new content regarding crossovers. I’m considering crossing over a Bechtler from NGC to PCGS
Very nice, important thing is the value is much higher than what you have in it.
Auctions are crazy and unpredictable, 2 collectors with money in a bidding war can scew price discovery just like an uneducated gallery can . Society needs many more collectors for the numbers to start to be dependable. Every silver stacker will eventually become a numismatic collector..... that's why everyone should promote stacking as an investment strategy, you'll get more collectors , bigger auctions, higher prices with more dependable outcomes
Anyone else getting a little sound crackliing?
Just sound issues with my software
I have been wondering on how much it cost for grading and other fees that are applied , thank you Sir .
$28 for shipping, and notice that doesn't include handling, which is charged separately! That's ridiculous. If you did that on feebay they would be all over you, even if it is clearly stated up front.
Sir I can tell you’re a good man thanks for your help I am a former collector who is trying to get back I am not sure on Ms 63 to68 never sent coins in should I start with anacs also I have 25 consecutive serial numbers 100 $ bills mint crisp star notes 2017 not rare any help would be great thanks for telling of etsy
The way I see it is it depends on what kind they have in stock and how many are graded so what are you gonna do if you got these coins in and graded and you got more coming in at the grade or higher got give them a grade and you have the higher grades . You want to sell yours to maximize your profits what do you do ? Hmmm
Now I am wishing I stashed my school lunch money, but don't we all.
How do you clean coin’s without destroying them . And what microscope would you recommend to use to examining coins ? Please let me know I’m new to coin collecting I’ve been collecting all my life . Now I have to see what I’ve collected .
Your the one person I look forward to watching every day. Keep up the good work.
Thank you!
That 1% they take out of the value of the coin should be more than enough for people to stop sending their coins to this company. If this is not STEALING, then nothing else is!
I have a 66 SMS that has a Roosevelt double dye reverse dime. I have been pondering to send it in for grading but these prices for grading have become criminal.
Daniel, you have probably already alluded to it, but I wonder how lower volume dealers are able to hedge against market downturns! It would seem disconcerting for a coin dealer!🙁
You immediately liquidate most of what you buy.
@@CoinHELPu that makes sense
I always thought they can tell if coin cleaners were used. Pretty cool info 👍🏼
I have 1coin 1799 pls advice
You will need to take to a dealer in person there's a lot of fakes. You can post an image in our help group here coinauctionshelp.com/forum/index.php
Do u have to join to pcgs to cross over
Yes
Good information. Thanks.
You're welcome and thank you.
I just got one of those ungraded 1966 half looks good to. nice coin yours looks great
How long did it take to go thru this process? Beautiful coin by the way! As a new coin collector - I started a state coin collection and some of the better coins had a fog on them so I utilized my wife’s ultra sonic jewelry cleaner and it made them look shiny and brilliant! I am aware of the cautions of coin cleaning! Thanks for sharing your coin with us!
A couple months.
You still did good, now it’s in a top tier holder. Congratulations!
Wait are u saying ur coins are trans?
Yes, that is how they identify.
What did you do to get the haze off?
I show you in one of my videos. It doesn't always work.
There was another TH-cam that did a crossover unboxing on a coin and he lost his cameo when he said that he didn't want a downgrade if he lost the cameo designation, that coin lost over $1000 in value. I'll link the video if I can find it.
Maybe this one by Dr G?
th-cam.com/video/X2BOkDcyLbk/w-d-xo.html
lol, I seen that I think he resubmitted and it came back though.
ITS REALLY ALL TOO MUCH TO LEARN , AND ASK OF A PERSON ,
TO DO ALL THAT .
IT'S A MAJOR , LEARNING CURVE .
I WAS GOING TO GET INTO COINS , ... BUT ITS A HARD THING TO EVEN LEARN THE LANGUAGE .
JUST MELT IT DOWN AND SELL AS SCRAP .
Thats what separates you from the rest of us! Nice find!