Now you know why I could never climb “Slippery when wet” with my narrow Super Swampers 😁 I think you’ve confirmed what we (maybe just me?) have instinctively known: Ag tires and narrow Super Swampers are the cat’s meow for mud and muck, but not so good on the rocks. But dang, those ag tires (and super Swampers) just look cool 😎👍🏻
Very good points, and great observation about what I call "lug flex" or tread squirm. Having run many, many off road tires over the years, I have come to appreciate how a radials steel belted tread holds the lugs more stable and "hooks up" better on rock. ( Though, as you well know, stiff load range E rated truck radials don't hook as well as your lightweight NDT's)! I am really curious how the new generation radial AG tires would do. BKT makes a 210/95 r 16 radial that looks just like these Deestones, but radial ! Dying to try them.
Different treads for different terrain. As to the "tractor" tires, just ask a tractor driver. If they are on the "normal" way, they are designed to offer max traction on dirt/mud as you would find in a field, if they start to bog down or dig in too much, put tractor in reverse and it will lift itself up and out - one way digs in, other way fills in as you suspected. Thanks Jeff.
tubless tyres have a butyl liner on the inside to stop air leaking through the rubber, tube tyres don't so they keep going down as if they have a slow leak.
always interesting watching your videos jpet both seem like capable tires i run ndt tires on my m38a1 anyways good informative video. also curious have you seen anybody use the firestone knobby tires building a 3b and was curious how they would be off road.
Usually done if you're using a front loader on a tractor so you can pull out of a pile of mud/muck or what ever your loading when you've got a bucket full more weight on the front axle when loaded
Possibly. I’m not sure that it would matter that much on rocks though. The tread is tall and flexible. And not much tire surface. If you look at the pictures in the beginning, you can see that there is not as much rubber on surface. If the tread lug was shorter it might grab edges better but then would not dig as well in mud.
Nice comparison. Now I wonder how these both compare with the super traction bias ply tires of the same size. I think these would rate in between due to them being a "mud tire".
I have never wheeled Super Traxions but I have wheeled plenty with guys who run them. Other than on the street, I’m not impressed. I’d challenge them any day with NDTs. … off-road that is.
Tu lo has dicho. Esos cauchos que pusiste son para pantano y destruyen la vía. Lo mejor son los originales y con cortes o zigzag en el centro. Dios le guarde y le bendiga grandemente.
Es wäre noch anzumerken: AS Reifen haben eine Laufrichtung! Im Video auf den Steinen waren die Reifen falsch montiert, so können sie nicht funktionieren!
That is the ratio of the input gear to the output gear, basically how many times the driveshaft spins to make the wheels spin one full rotation. It's useful in calculations for determining max speed, crawl ratio and torque at the wheel. The 4.88 is going to be better for speed but the 5.38 is going to help give you the torquey crawl that you want offroad.
Now you know why I could never climb “Slippery when wet” with my narrow Super Swampers 😁
I think you’ve confirmed what we (maybe just me?) have instinctively known: Ag tires and narrow Super Swampers are the cat’s meow for mud and muck, but not so good on the rocks. But dang, those ag tires (and super Swampers) just look cool 😎👍🏻
Seems to me that you did a really fair and thorough assessment of the capabilities of each tire in similar situations. Thanks for sharing.
This was a fantastic video- imho this is what TH-cam is supposed to be for.
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to make it. Very informative.
Thanks for making this video! Great information!! 👏 👏
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Very good points, and great observation about what I call "lug flex" or tread squirm. Having run many, many off road tires over the years, I have come to appreciate how a radials steel belted tread holds the lugs more stable and "hooks up" better on rock. ( Though, as you well know, stiff load range E rated truck radials don't hook as well as your lightweight NDT's)! I am really curious how the new generation radial AG tires would do. BKT makes a 210/95 r 16 radial that looks just like these Deestones, but radial ! Dying to try them.
Different treads for different terrain. As to the "tractor" tires, just ask a tractor driver. If they are on the "normal" way, they are designed to offer max traction on dirt/mud as you would find in a field, if they start to bog down or dig in too much, put tractor in reverse and it will lift itself up and out - one way digs in, other way fills in as you suspected. Thanks Jeff.
Informative video (and comments), thanks. Got any EJS '23 footage coming?
would be interesting to see the ndt's against a goodyear custom xtra grip
tubless tyres have a butyl liner on the inside to stop air leaking through the rubber, tube tyres don't so they keep going down as if they have a slow leak.
always interesting watching your videos jpet both seem like capable tires i run ndt tires on my m38a1 anyways good informative video. also curious have you seen anybody use the firestone knobby tires building a 3b and was curious how they would be off road.
Hello Jeff have you tried agg tires in the snow? Just wondering looks like they might work there 🙈
Have you tested running Firestones "knobby" tires?
They usually reverse the front axle.
Yes. I think that is so they have traction in reverse isn’t it?
Usually done if you're using a front loader on a tractor so you can pull out of a pile of mud/muck or what ever your loading when you've got a bucket full more weight on the front axle when loaded
Do you have the Yokohama G005 XMT in 7.50R16 over there? We have them in Australia but they’re quite rare.
Are you running tube on both tire?
I wonder if you ran the ag tires backwards just on the front or rear and see if that might help. Some farmers do this on 4wd tractors, just thought.
Possibly. I’m not sure that it would matter that much on rocks though. The tread is tall and flexible. And not much tire surface. If you look at the pictures in the beginning, you can see that there is not as much rubber on surface. If the tread lug was shorter it might grab edges better but then would not dig as well in mud.
I think they run the front tires in reverse so that they have traction when backing up.
That's true. I guess you just have to use the ag tire for the mud mainly.
@@jpetrowich mostly you run the tires backwards for better tire wear on highway
if its not a 4wd they are backwards to help rotate easier in mud .
Nice comparison. Now I wonder how these both compare with the super traction bias ply tires of the same size. I think these would rate in between due to them being a "mud tire".
I have never wheeled Super Traxions but I have wheeled plenty with guys who run them. Other than on the street, I’m not impressed. I’d challenge them any day with NDTs. … off-road that is.
Tu lo has dicho. Esos cauchos que pusiste son para pantano y destruyen la vía. Lo mejor son los originales y con cortes o zigzag en el centro. Dios le guarde y le bendiga grandemente.
What bag is that on the front fender? Thanks!!!
Those are tool rolls
Es wäre noch anzumerken: AS Reifen haben eine Laufrichtung! Im Video auf den Steinen waren die Reifen falsch montiert, so können sie nicht funktionieren!
I think you should actually watch the video as I demonstrate them mounted both forwards and backwards with full explanation
Cj2 and CJ3 b runs 538 gearing MB ‘s gearing is 488 there’s a difference ?
That is the ratio of the input gear to the output gear, basically how many times the driveshaft spins to make the wheels spin one full rotation. It's useful in calculations for determining max speed, crawl ratio and torque at the wheel. The 4.88 is going to be better for speed but the 5.38 is going to help give you the torquey crawl that you want offroad.
Are the AG tires DOT approved?
No they are not
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you had yours on backwards by the looks of it.
If you watch the video, you will see that I run them both ways
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