Man Snoo's videos have this effect where you get the itch to go back and play poe even though you stopped for a week. I know im never getting to that level of juice but still this seems like a lot of fun. Thanks for the content as always!!!
you're getting an insane number of divine converts we ran +500 t16 maps as a duo now, 80% quant, average of 6k juice, sextant + guilded and the biggest one we got was 5 div
run some valdo maps with 3-4 ghost and +3 rare modifiers, under good purple+yellow wisps, you're bound to see 20+ divines conversions without atlas or scarabs, magic find cull would be nice too but rippy.
Thanks for sharing. I immediately tried the winged reliquary and seen a huge improvement. Was lucky to get 6k wisps blue/purple. Ran a T6 Strand. 10 Divines worth of currency and 1 Mageblood.
Seems like ritual is counter productive to abyss spawns getting blocked. Ritual creates 3-4 large league instances, surely it has a higher likelihood of blocking your abyss spawns? Also maybe i misinterpreted ur comment but you can definitely stun with cold damage. I have an ice shot build with the TWWT jewel mod for endurance charge gain chance on stun, and i definitely get endurance charges during mapping.
Yeah it happens sometimes. Later on it looked like it happens when you steal 'Stuns' buff still as well, but wasn't able to confirm it with something like Warlord's Mark rage gain.
I dont know if anyone already told you but the map with 21 quality you got from a strongbox with contained items have "x" quality. That is also how you can find 30% quality flasks.
You sir saved kalandra league for me it was some of the most fun i ever had playing poe. I just love how the internet was on fire and people were so mad but our little community was having a blast. This league i haven't been able to play as much, and the fomo is hitting a lil bit but im not too worried since we have low tier mf strats. Im just curious if you find it weird that everyone is in love with mf all of a sudden considering what happened in kalandra. Ty for the content.
Thanks, dude! I will always look back on that league with fondness. You know, I think this league is once again pretty polarizing, still. But yeah, more people came around this time. It seemed this league had more to offer for the normies. They don't have to kill cracked out god-touched arch nemesis mobs for loot. Just wisp to the best of their ability.
Did you notice any problems with abysses missing on jungle valley? I've ran the map early in the league and sometimes there were just 2 abysses on the map, it was really weird...
I think roughly 10-20% of the maps here have issues spawning all the abyss. It's like 30-50% of Cemetery maps. Haven't tried it on Burial, but after hearing they spawn in the 2nd floor, I'm like.......
@@snoobae8553 I see, thanks, good to know. Yea they can spawn in underground on burials which can be a bit annoying but still doable. But the nicer layeout and no boss altars on jungle valley probably makes it better.
enjoying the testing and data collecting you're doing of your own runs. sadly i dont have much time atm to watch/catch your streams but wish you the best
Nice, I decided to put about 400 more div into my tornado shot to try to get outta T7's. Unfortunately my damage is less than half of yours, so my very first map of this T14 I bricked it hard with 8k juice, then the second map with 5k juice I dropped my first mageblood. I'm thinking about swapping to the tincture/warlord's mark setup for perma berserk but not sure yet.
Currently running a deadeye strength stacker wander with 30% quant and 160% rarity now with mage blood. Still die on the juiciest maps but 90% phys reduction, max block, and 8k life help.
@@XxIcedecknightxX Yeah i bricked over half my maps and had to use my poison SRS to finish so I just went back down to t11. The loot with the altars is so damn good but I just cannot survive. I guess my damage isn't high enough? :P
Yea i was telling my friend the other day that the point of this league is to run maps fast, (which is obvious right) but not just the regular, the more maps you run the more money youll make, but rather the more maps you run the faster youll get to the 1 in 10 map that will give you insane juice w the mechanic. Its hard when the mec is random and sometimes wont offer all 3 wisps, not even good events. I never really thought of "abandoning" maps tho coz i run crimson and i have that fomo of an apothecary dropping. Plus the prices of the beyond sextants are crazy. I might switch to tropical so i might start abandoning dull maps and see how that goes
very interesting thanks!! I'm a new poe player, I incredibly love everything about this game, the only thing I find really impeding at the moment is the lag. Look at this video, how do you have fun on a map where you can't move anymore? I lowered all the settings but still when there is a high density of mobs everything becomes less fluid. I understand why no one does multiplayer pve, just 2 users on the same map would crash the game.
I have been running jungle valley since like week 2, I specced out of legion and I noticed that a lot more abysses "stops bugging out" and keep going until the spire spawns while when I did have legion specced in I got quite a lot of dud abysses where they just dont progress.
@@snoobae8553 yeah, i'm in the same opinion, but they do seem to block a lot of abysses which feels pretty bad if you go up to winged abyss+winged reliq.
Hey Snoo, didn't finish the video yet, but it seems very intersting as always, thank you! I had the question about the scarabs choice. I understand your motivation with choosing gilded bestiary scarab, however, what you think of alternatives, as: rusted elder/shaper, gilded/polished harby, rusted legion? Is it at some point "flex slot" or you are convinced it is pretty neat? Never wanted to question your choice, it's just personally I don't like having around sometimes crazy red beasts. By the way, how is it going with the explodey bow? I mirrored it too, obviously a great improvement from my mediocre 1020 bow, but I can't really feel if it is explodeys that make it feel good, or just that it is a high ele dps bow in general?
Because these are not 8 mod corrupted maps, what do you think about adding conqueror influence to them (if self farmed of course, buying them bulk would be absurdly expensive).
Hmmm not sure. Interesting idea. But then it'd be a pain to collect the maps, no? Worth the added cost? I heard conq packs can get in the way of eldritch pack spawn. Haven't ran them in a long time.
I noticed you are using the +2 projectile tincture after taking a hit. Can you explain how you keep this mechanic running? I was trying to look through the PoB to see if you have anything that "hits" yourself. I want to make use of this tincture but don't really want to pick one up yet if I can't find a way to sustain it. Thanks!
@@snoobae8553 After running it a bit, I found that I have decent uptime on the tincture arrows when mapping. I also noticed you don't run pierce and actually run chain. Almost every other guide talks about getting pierce. Is there a reason you prefer chain over it? (Edited: I asked how you capped elemental ailments but I finally see the Rural Life passive)
Thanks for the vid, Snoo! Would you still consider this strat with a non MF character? Seems the profit per hour would take a significant hit, but at the numbers you’re pulling, even 50% of that kind of profit seems too good to pass up. I’ve been considering running something like this with my str stacking wander, and your vid only made it more enticing lol.
Can you explain your rough guidelines for abandoning the map? Which color combos were you okay with less juice and what was the minimum you needed to run the map
First PoE page I have ever subbed to- you put so much effort into these videos and it’s greatly appreciated- for someone who doesn’t have a mirror bow, would you recommend running Cemetery/Burial chambers (t11) till you get that much currency? My worry is that if I do get the “money map” aka 9-10k wisp juice I would brick it and essentially lose out on all the currency. Only running a 1300 ele dps +2 arrow bow atm
Snoo hey m8 i've done this setup over the weekend and it was really nice thanks for the great content. i'm a Ca of Poison build having problems full clearing legions usually due to my damage is a bit lacking with my 8 divine bow to take them out of stasis when over 6-7k juice no problem on bricking map on this topic i would also like to ask timeless conflict keystone how does it work?? did you ever try it early league or something ? . İ have been farming exact setup with reflected sextant instead of magic packs size to make map rolling easier(too many bad mods to block when you add avoid ppoison etc with the extra damage mods) . What would you swap legions with in my position can i swap in harbies or have you done any testing on harbies with abyss this league ?
@@snoobae8553oing legion and abyss Droppeed my first ever mirror yesterday i think on sacred orb number 12 really cool strat tho still cant kill the guy inside me that says its a waste to skip low juice maps ^^ knowing they are waste of time on divine/hoır parameters
@@snoobae8553 good to know, thanks. I will try this in T14 to go faster, once I hit lvl 100. Currently running T16 for the exp but not fully juicing to avoid dying. Still pretty profitable tho.
What kinda atlas tree would you do for crimson temple? Still abyss strat with deli, beyond and strongboxes? Wouldn't the high tier maps like 14 be really annoying with abyss since your chance to spawn spires is less for it? More pits and liches so it eats into profits.
Not Abyss I'm pretty sure. I'll test ghosting on it again like last league later. Legion I still favor on Crimson. So maybe Legion/Enrage/Mirror/Beyond
@@snoobae8553 Oh wow much appreciation for the reply. Doesn't legion get screwed in crimson on spawning mobs because of the layout compared to open maps? Thats one of the biggest reasons I'm hesitant to go for it.
I can't afford to abandon maps. I'm already spending like 150c per map. Biggest explosion was 17d in one go. Need to get those winged reliquary still too.
Snoo, what do you think of just abandoning maps when you get less than 3-4k wisps? I know it's like 1.5div investment, but with 7k+ wisps you're almost guaranteed to get more than that...
Okye, so i'm i'm running mf fulcrum, is there a chance to still be verry porfitable if i swap all legion point for the strongboxes ? and i replace pack size and legion sextant for the double strongboxes sextant ? Unfortunatly legion is a pain for my build :/
too many stronboxes might block the abyss count tho take care some of my friends has been doing this with boxes instead of beasts and they seem to lose some of their abyss
@@Serdar1572 Strongbox appears to be particularly egregious for stripping out Abyss on the map. I've already assumed that doing Cemetery maps. Beasts not so much, I guess.
When I do juiced maps with my group, it is almost every map we have a massive spike of input lag when we enter a new area in burial chambers. Have you experienced anything similar?
hey snoo, my build cant run legion or beastiary (ignite), i decided to go box, but im wondering what should be my last scarab. put div back on or do harby?
I tend not to use master missions that way as it's not sustainable. I like Red Beasts since Kalandra league god-touched farming I found them to be the best compliment for Legion/Abyss.
The divine and scarab explosions is conversion mobs. They convert loot like uniques and the explosions are bigger with higher quant/higher tier loot. If the mob would’ve dropped a t0 like hh/mb/kitchen knife etc, you get a giga winged explosion. Reliquery = more uniques = bigger explosions on convertion mobs
Dropped two and invested most of the rest in my character. Probably around 10 or more in total now. I resist by being a staunch min maxer. I can’t resist the urge to poor more into my current character for marginal gains.
Do you have crit damage reduction capped? This made it possible for me to do t16. You need a mirror chest and a 3 DD, 2 crit, and crit mastery to cap it
I sacrificed 4 points on the passive tree to get 'Enemies poisoned by you cannot crit'. This works for a elemental setup because the bow still does some physical damage.
I tried that but have to hit the enemy in order to prevent their damage. Those fast yellow abyss monsters that are undamageable until they get close to you caused me lots of portals
Hey, i have about 1.5 mirr, wanna give a try to TS MF, would you recommend to go into rage+stun tech or stick with regular ts mf ? P.s. please buy invisible buff for banner :)
@@norbertrezz6237 my question been only budget wise, will it be enough to feel good at 1.5 mirr, since i cannot mirror explody bow but only buy top notch not synth bow
@@imjwmka i invested in my ele ts about 600divs and feels good,ocasionally dies here and there but thats how it is,ive made most of my currencies like this and i can say its worth doing so
snoo do you feel like there may have been a small stealth nerf since the recent patch that shows wisp juice once youre in your map? or am i gaslighting myself
I can assure you non-MF players (that have the advantage of being able to clear the same content faster or harder content with less bricking) are doing quite well for themselves in this kind of farm.
They're non-corrupted so you just roll them. You only need to find an average of 1 map per map. Watchstones gotta be removed after initiating the map to drop T14 Jungle Valley.
Hey snoo , i love you content always and watching the stream i dont wanna be rude about this but i wanna say that inclunding a mirror in calculation and also 11 min per map is kinda sush, cuz first of all you are not gonna take a mirror every 100 maps you do that for sure and second of all the avarage time for maps with abyss is 18-20 mins (incluning loot ) so these numbers you provide 100-150 divs is more likely 40-60 and that also include time of real gameplay not leaving wildwood , so in your senario its not even 100-150 div per map cuz if you do 6 maps per hour and abadon at least 6+ its also 4-5mins per map you abadon.That my point of view
Thanks for the feedback. I hope you realize that 11 minutes per map INCLUDES the abandoned maps. You're right, for the 46 maps I ran, I averaged closer to 15-20 minutes. It's the abandoned maps that drove the time down. Also, I'm not counting the mirror drop in my calculations. I'm counting the 20 Sacred orbs I looted as a projected mirror in value as explained in the opening of the video. (1:20 mirror to sacred or projected drop weightings with the league mechanic).
I don't think the app counts Winged Reliquary at 0.7div. I'd just roll them if that's the case. Haven't bought any winged scarabs in a while. I kind of self-sustain them...
Quite lucrative! Especially if it's the difference between doing T7 or T11 vs T14 with altars. Lower tiers with a lot of MF all other factors equal will be more loot though.
I feel like I am the only person losing money hand over fist with these strats. Tried every MF build and none of them returned my input costs over the long run as I never once got those juicy loot explosions everyone else seems to get with less wisps.
You’re not running the forest correct then. If you get blue mixed with either purple or yellow it’ll drop several divine in that map. Run t11+ so you can get valdo’s boxes. And put as many rare monsters in the map as possible via beyond, deli, abyss/legion, wandering path is a must for this strat too. If you take wandering path off you get like 25% of the loot you’d get with it.
@@444bryce I had an 8k blue and purple even split with about 1k yellow and I got a single div out of it.... So tell me how I magically make that better.
@@totallynottrademarked5279 record a single map of you running with wisp count like this lol you are 100% doing something very wrong or just very smart lying so people think its not worth it lol
Im done playing MF as I've farmed an extremely juiced KB Int stacker. Do you think the old laws of: Proper juice + Atlas passives = profit even with some of the prices of mapping supplies? Was thinking of doing 80-100% deli + abyss and jamming rare monsters in.
Thing I find most amazing about this video is how tanky you are as a deady, id be nuked 20x over and have 500+ div invested on top of a HH. How are you so defensive?
@@snoobae8553 that would be awesome. My biggest issue is I get 10k wisps, and then I’m just nuked before I can collect my loot. Super frustrating when you think you’ve put a ton of money into a build. Have to scale damage pretty high I guess.
To me this strat is if you want to do div per hour. I'm more of what is the average on running # of maps. I find I have more fun with the game when I stopped tracking div per hour and just play the game. Div per hour just makes it fill like a job and not a game at least too me.
Beasts are some of the most premium rare conversion potential mobs in the game. They drop good loot through the league mechanic. Red beasts in particular spawn an insane number of trash mobs that don't drop loot but further spawn Beyond like crazy when they die over and over and over. It also forces no other master on the map, and what I discovered in Kalandra league is beasts helped spawn all the eldritch packs on the map especially towards the earlier portion of the map that's usually vacant on Jungle Valley.
You know you can still clear map even if you dont have enought wisps? Of course for top players maybe its not optimal but i dont like to waste scarabs/compasses.
Lol is this a real question. Everyone knows you can clear it even if you don't have enough wisps. The point of this video is literally the opposite of that. Did you know you can leave all the maps where you don't have good juice and make more profit?
Did anyone else get super tired of this MF meta? Spending more time looting than killing monsters just isn’t fun. Even with a very strict filter it gets super obnoxious.
The game is great because it's fast and fun. I don't want to spend 30 seconds in one spot hammering on some indistinguishable pack of laggy goons. Like 3 to five seconds is the longest it should take to clear a spot, any more than that just feels bad.
I've just stricken my filter up yet again, and applied a high-tier currency filter only for first run through. It's really nice. Look at belts second run through.
@@darillblack3288 I play MF myself and its fun, but I get it. Imagine if they removed all MF stats all together, people would actually want to make their characters strong and fast only and minmaxing it that way - IF they added some MF mechanic like whisps in next league, ideally in a matter where you can manually change and increase difficulty for more loot infinitely scaling, so the stronger you make your character the more "'mf'' you will be. Right now once you farm some currency and make decent strong enough character to kill whisped juiced t16 maps you basically have nothing to do and thats not so hard, I am playing 2nd league in PoE so basically a noob and have already over 2 mirror MF gear setup and have not much to upgrade except awakened empower gem for 500d and a timeless jewel that can go up to a mirror price for 120% rarity... ofc some things will be there to upgrade to minmax but I dont see them, got most corrupt implicits i could think off, basically all items t1 maxroll
“Additional 4 abysses to spawn on map.” One abyss spawns every single time. It’s so stupid I don’t understand. Waste so much currency buying all these things for one abyss like …??
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Man Snoo's videos have this effect where you get the itch to go back and play poe even though you stopped for a week. I know im never getting to that level of juice but still this seems like a lot of fun. Thanks for the content as always!!!
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you're getting an insane number of divine converts we ran +500 t16 maps as a duo now, 80% quant, average of 6k juice, sextant + guilded and the biggest one we got was 5 div
run some valdo maps with 3-4 ghost and +3 rare modifiers, under good purple+yellow wisps, you're bound to see 20+ divines conversions without atlas or scarabs, magic find cull would be nice too but rippy.
also not 500 maps but rather every second map
Thanks for sharing. I immediately tried the winged reliquary and seen a huge improvement. Was lucky to get 6k wisps blue/purple. Ran a T6 Strand. 10 Divines worth of currency and 1 Mageblood.
Bravo
Nice work
Seems like ritual is counter productive to abyss spawns getting blocked. Ritual creates 3-4 large league instances, surely it has a higher likelihood of blocking your abyss spawns?
Also maybe i misinterpreted ur comment but you can definitely stun with cold damage. I have an ice shot build with the TWWT jewel mod for endurance charge gain chance on stun, and i definitely get endurance charges during mapping.
Yeah it happens sometimes. Later on it looked like it happens when you steal 'Stuns' buff still as well, but wasn't able to confirm it with something like Warlord's Mark rage gain.
i truly appreciate the way you go deep into the explainations :) great content
Yo, Snoo. Got my first ever mirror doing this strat ❤
Great video as always, respect and appreciate the hardwork.
Thank you!
I dont know if anyone already told you but the map with 21 quality you got from a strongbox with contained items have "x" quality. That is also how you can find 30% quality flasks.
Damn Beat me to it, but this is the answer. I think the maximum you can randomly get is 30% (even so maps could in theory get to 35% with hillock).
My Biggest Winged/Gilded drop ever was 262 scarabs total on my Fulcrum MF (50quant/233Rarity). about 30-40divines I think at that time.
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i called that mirror :D
gl ggwp lesgo to the next one now
You sir saved kalandra league for me it was some of the most fun i ever had playing poe. I just love how the internet was on fire and people were so mad but our little community was having a blast. This league i haven't been able to play as much, and the fomo is hitting a lil bit but im not too worried since we have low tier mf strats. Im just curious if you find it weird that everyone is in love with mf all of a sudden considering what happened in kalandra. Ty for the content.
Thanks, dude! I will always look back on that league with fondness. You know, I think this league is once again pretty polarizing, still. But yeah, more people came around this time. It seemed this league had more to offer for the normies. They don't have to kill cracked out god-touched arch nemesis mobs for loot. Just wisp to the best of their ability.
Have been running similar strat all gilded scarabs and have dropped 3 mirrors in around 50 maps... Insanely lucky for not using Winged scarabs
Did you notice any problems with abysses missing on jungle valley? I've ran the map early in the league and sometimes there were just 2 abysses on the map, it was really weird...
There is problems on pretty much every map with this if you stack enough content in the map
I didn't notice this problem when I was doing abyss on burial chambers
I think roughly 10-20% of the maps here have issues spawning all the abyss. It's like 30-50% of Cemetery maps. Haven't tried it on Burial, but after hearing they spawn in the 2nd floor, I'm like.......
@@snoobae8553 I see, thanks, good to know. Yea they can spawn in underground on burials which can be a bit annoying but still doable. But the nicer layeout and no boss altars on jungle valley probably makes it better.
Roughly 20 to 30% of the Cemetary maps I did, I'm stacking 3+ abysses, and only one shows up.
great video, would be nice if we have the list of valueable corrupted t0 unique.
enjoying the testing and data collecting you're doing of your own runs. sadly i dont have much time atm to watch/catch your streams but wish you the best
HI ! nice guide/test as always, i got a CI build Exarc is better for me no ? or is there a reason for eater of world ( exept divine shrine)
Nice, I decided to put about 400 more div into my tornado shot to try to get outta T7's. Unfortunately my damage is less than half of yours, so my very first map of this T14 I bricked it hard with 8k juice, then the second map with 5k juice I dropped my first mageblood. I'm thinking about swapping to the tincture/warlord's mark setup for perma berserk but not sure yet.
Haha, what fortune. :D
Currently running a deadeye strength stacker wander with 30% quant and 160% rarity now with mage blood. Still die on the juiciest maps but 90% phys reduction, max block, and 8k life help.
@@XxIcedecknightxX Yeah i bricked over half my maps and had to use my poison SRS to finish so I just went
back down to t11. The loot with the altars is so damn good but I just cannot survive. I guess my damage isn't high enough? :P
Yea i was telling my friend the other day that the point of this league is to run maps fast, (which is obvious right) but not just the regular, the more maps you run the more money youll make, but rather the more maps you run the faster youll get to the 1 in 10 map that will give you insane juice w the mechanic. Its hard when the mec is random and sometimes wont offer all 3 wisps, not even good events.
I never really thought of "abandoning" maps tho coz i run crimson and i have that fomo of an apothecary dropping. Plus the prices of the beyond sextants are crazy.
I might switch to tropical so i might start abandoning dull maps and see how that goes
You're definitely on the right track. :D
@@snoobae8553 after i commented that, i ran a final rotation of crimson and dropped my 2nd apothecary, that was my cue to switch
very interesting thanks!! I'm a new poe player, I incredibly love everything about this game, the only thing I find really impeding at the moment is the lag. Look at this video, how do you have fun on a map where you can't move anymore? I lowered all the settings but still when there is a high density of mobs everything becomes less fluid. I understand why no one does multiplayer pve, just 2 users on the same map would crash the game.
Only maps that have this much loot cause real lag issues for me. It's not like every map or anything. Oh, and only Abyss too.
I have been running jungle valley since like week 2, I specced out of legion and I noticed that a lot more abysses "stops bugging out" and keep going until the spire spawns while when I did have legion specced in I got quite a lot of dud abysses where they just dont progress.
Okay. I'll keep that in mind. But I do like the Legions there.
@@snoobae8553 yeah, i'm in the same opinion, but they do seem to block a lot of abysses which feels pretty bad if you go up to winged abyss+winged reliq.
Hey Snoo, didn't finish the video yet, but it seems very intersting as always, thank you! I had the question about the scarabs choice. I understand your motivation with choosing gilded bestiary scarab, however, what you think of alternatives, as: rusted elder/shaper, gilded/polished harby, rusted legion? Is it at some point "flex slot" or you are convinced it is pretty neat? Never wanted to question your choice, it's just personally I don't like having around sometimes crazy red beasts.
By the way, how is it going with the explodey bow? I mirrored it too, obviously a great improvement from my mediocre 1020 bow, but I can't really feel if it is explodeys that make it feel good, or just that it is a high ele dps bow in general?
Elder or Harbinger probably is best if you don’t want to deal with beasts.
this league is so crazy my filter is set to uberstrict plus and i only see div leather belt heavy belt :D
How u can use enlighten lvl 4 with 44 int ?
Supreme Ostentation keystone. :D
Because these are not 8 mod corrupted maps, what do you think about adding conqueror influence to them (if self farmed of course, buying them bulk would be absurdly expensive).
Hmmm not sure. Interesting idea. But then it'd be a pain to collect the maps, no? Worth the added cost? I heard conq packs can get in the way of eldritch pack spawn. Haven't ran them in a long time.
My scarab alway drop single, how can urs scarab drop has stack x2 x3... ia that loot filter or im wrong?
Scarabs dropping stacked? It usually doesn't do that for me either.
I noticed you are using the +2 projectile tincture after taking a hit. Can you explain how you keep this mechanic running? I was trying to look through the PoB to see if you have anything that "hits" yourself. I want to make use of this tincture but don't really want to pick one up yet if I can't find a way to sustain it. Thanks!
I used to run CoC forbidden rite, but decided that I get hit so much farming abyss, I’ll just take it as is. So it’s not up 100% of the time.
@@snoobae8553 After running it a bit, I found that I have decent uptime on the tincture arrows when mapping. I also noticed you don't run pierce and actually run chain. Almost every other guide talks about getting pierce. Is there a reason you prefer chain over it? (Edited: I asked how you capped elemental ailments but I finally see the Rural Life passive)
Thanks for the vid, Snoo! Would you still consider this strat with a non MF character? Seems the profit per hour would take a significant hit, but at the numbers you’re pulling, even 50% of that kind of profit seems too good to pass up. I’ve been considering running something like this with my str stacking wander, and your vid only made it more enticing lol.
Yes, I'll test a strat like this with no MF probably fairly soon.
Can you explain your rough guidelines for abandoning the map? Which color combos were you okay with less juice and what was the minimum you needed to run the map
At this point I’m not running anything under 7k unless it’s like 3 colors and 1k is the lowest color
First like and comment :) Love your videos Snoo, that 100div loot explosion has me feeling FOMO!
Hahaha sorry about that. NOT!
Great video, why doesn't abyss appear in my Map Receptacle as an option?
7th gate option. You have to put points into all 6 gateways + 7th gate keystone to unlock it.
First PoE page I have ever subbed to- you put so much effort into these videos and it’s greatly appreciated- for someone who doesn’t have a mirror bow, would you recommend running Cemetery/Burial chambers (t11) till you get that much currency? My worry is that if I do get the “money map” aka 9-10k wisp juice I would brick it and essentially lose out on all the currency. Only running a 1300 ele dps +2 arrow bow atm
Yeah, I’d do cemetery in your case. Thanks for the sub. :)
Snoo hey m8 i've done this setup over the weekend and it was really nice thanks for the great content. i'm a Ca of Poison build having problems full clearing legions usually due to my damage is a bit lacking with my 8 divine bow to take them out of stasis when over 6-7k juice no problem on bricking map on this topic i would also like to ask timeless conflict keystone how does it work?? did you ever try it early league or something ? . İ have been farming exact setup with reflected sextant instead of magic packs size to make map rolling easier(too many bad mods to block when you add avoid ppoison etc with the extra damage mods) . What would you swap legions with in my position can i swap in harbies or have you done any testing on harbies with abyss this league ?
Harbies is a good idea. Haven’t tried the keystone, but maybe it’s a good idea.
@@snoobae8553oing legion and abyss Droppeed my first ever mirror yesterday i think on sacred orb number 12 really cool strat tho still cant kill the guy inside me that says its a waste to skip low juice maps ^^ knowing they are waste of time on divine/hoır parameters
Hey great vid. Any advantage in trying this in T16, besides the map sustain? Btw, the currency delirium orb is mandatory or any deli orb helps? Thanks
Any deli orb is fine. T16 for map sustain and chance to actually buy 8mod proj maps off TFT I guess. ilvl 83 tomes & logbooks is about it otherwise.
@@snoobae8553 good to know, thanks. I will try this in T14 to go faster, once I hit lvl 100. Currently running T16 for the exp but not fully juicing to avoid dying. Still pretty profitable tho.
What kinda atlas tree would you do for crimson temple? Still abyss strat with deli, beyond and strongboxes? Wouldn't the high tier maps like 14 be really annoying with abyss since your chance to spawn spires is less for it? More pits and liches so it eats into profits.
Not Abyss I'm pretty sure. I'll test ghosting on it again like last league later. Legion I still favor on Crimson. So maybe Legion/Enrage/Mirror/Beyond
@@snoobae8553 Oh wow much appreciation for the reply. Doesn't legion get screwed in crimson on spawning mobs because of the layout compared to open maps? Thats one of the biggest reasons I'm hesitant to go for it.
@@ZealValdezYou should go abyss over legion in crimson temple since the layout sucks for stuff that requires alot of open space.
Sorry i didnt quite understand why you chose jungle valley, nostalgia of Kalandra league?
Because the altars dont include the "final boss" mods on jungle valley.
Congrats on Your first Mirror of Kalandra SNO !,With 4200hrs in the game I'm still chaising mine :)
it was sarcasm, its his first mirror in league, not at all :)
2nd, he got 1st mirror in 3.22
Actually I got my first mirror in Sentinel league Day 6 out of an enraged strongbox ;)
A little over 3000 hours on PC a couple of 1000 hours on Xbox. And 10 years of playing POE not one single mirror 😮
6500+ hours since 3.15.
No mirror
I can't afford to abandon maps. I'm already spending like 150c per map. Biggest explosion was 17d in one go. Need to get those winged reliquary still too.
I was having some interesting results from combining deli mirror beyond and Alva incursions with the wisps. anyone else trying this out at all?
I agree, Alva - as per usual - is pretty good this league. On a map like jungle valley it has more potential than boxes.
Snoo, what do you think of just abandoning maps when you get less than 3-4k wisps? I know it's like 1.5div investment, but with 7k+ wisps you're almost guaranteed to get more than that...
I did abandon maps with less than 5k virtually always
what graphics settings do you use? otherwise, with a good computer, I have very large stutters
I recently turned everything down to either low or default (favoring the default setting). Nothing high or ultra.
Okye, so i'm i'm running mf fulcrum, is there a chance to still be verry porfitable if i swap all legion point for the strongboxes ? and i replace pack size and legion sextant for the double strongboxes sextant ? Unfortunatly legion is a pain for my build :/
I think so. Abyss is the real key mechanic here.
too many stronboxes might block the abyss count tho take care some of my friends has been doing this with boxes instead of beasts and they seem to lose some of their abyss
@@Serdar1572 Strongbox appears to be particularly egregious for stripping out Abyss on the map. I've already assumed that doing Cemetery maps. Beasts not so much, I guess.
When I do juiced maps with my group, it is almost every map we have a massive spike of input lag when we enter a new area in burial chambers. Have you experienced anything similar?
I probably would if I played in a group, but not solo.
Hey guys, can I ask what's the reason behind rolling "+2 proj" mod on every map?
Abyss mob spawners # scales with how many extra projectiles the mobs get
Which would you recommend the Phys Bow vs Ele Bow with Explode?
Phys bow overall.
got my first mirror at 79 sacreds, still without a mb or hh in 17 t0s though
hey snoo, my build cant run legion or beastiary (ignite), i decided to go box, but im wondering what should be my last scarab. put div back on or do harby?
Divination Scarab only if Burial, Cemetery, or Crimson. Otherwise Harby sounds fine.
Think these investments (beyond sextant, winged reliq) and/or map skipping are still worth it on a T7 map?
Yep!
can ele bow run this strat? without mirror phys bow im not sure if i can run this...
Yeah, and phys is better. I’ve done both. Phys maybe 50-150% more DPS at the top end.
on your POB sir you have 50 rage were do you get that? sorry for the newbie question
Is there any reason you use bestiary scarabs vs forcing it on map device and freeing up another scarab slot? Is it purely for the extra red beasts?
I tend not to use master missions that way as it's not sustainable. I like Red Beasts since Kalandra league god-touched farming I found them to be the best compliment for Legion/Abyss.
just wanted to confirm something you mentioned in the vid (i think), does winged reliquary actually yield more scarab/currency explosions?
The divine and scarab explosions is conversion mobs. They convert loot like uniques and the explosions are bigger with higher quant/higher tier loot. If the mob would’ve dropped a t0 like hh/mb/kitchen knife etc, you get a giga winged explosion. Reliquery = more uniques = bigger explosions on convertion mobs
@@orniallt3380makes sense, thanks!
how many mirrors have you made this league? also how you resist the urge to not try new builds?
Dropped two and invested most of the rest in my character. Probably around 10 or more in total now. I resist by being a staunch min maxer. I can’t resist the urge to poor more into my current character for marginal gains.
totally get it. i saved up 500div thinking I probably had enough, not even close. wish I would've saved at least 500 more.
My build clear is pretty bad with legion, so should I switch harbinger tree and compass?
Sure. Should be fine.
Are you able to share the parameters for the regex? Just want to see what you're blocking/looking for.
Check the description. :)
@@snoobae8553 shoot didn't look close enough, guess I was too busy blasting wisps in the mists 😉
Do you have crit damage reduction capped? This made it possible for me to do t16. You need a mirror chest and a 3 DD, 2 crit, and crit mastery to cap it
All you need is the implicit on a chest, crit mastery and 2 crit reduction from lethal pride. You can get all of that for a couple divines right now.
I sacrificed 4 points on the passive tree to get 'Enemies poisoned by you cannot crit'. This works for a elemental setup because the bow still does some physical damage.
I tried that but have to hit the enemy in order to prevent their damage. Those fast yellow abyss monsters that are undamageable until they get close to you caused me lots of portals
No wildwood stash? Unlucky
What are your opinions on Ghost busting this league?
Initially seems like it isn't gonna be worth doing, but it is something I wanna test further on Crimson Temple only really.
Hey, i have about 1.5 mirr, wanna give a try to TS MF, would you recommend to go into rage+stun tech or stick with regular ts mf ?
P.s. please buy invisible buff for banner :)
you cant do anything with 1,5 mir to try ts mf
Fubgun,chech him out
@@norbertrezz6237 ik abt him, but I kinda like offmeta build, if you can call TS offmeta at all, lol
@@norbertrezz6237 my question been only budget wise, will it be enough to feel good at 1.5 mirr, since i cannot mirror explody bow but only buy top notch not synth bow
@@imjwmka i invested in my ele ts about 600divs and feels good,ocasionally dies here and there but thats how it is,ive made most of my currencies like this and i can say its worth doing so
Thanks again Snoo
snoo do you feel like there may have been a small stealth nerf since the recent patch that shows wisp juice once youre in your map? or am i gaslighting myself
you're gaslit
ok ty. ill sleep better tonight.@@snoobae8553
idk why you think its a nerf, but yes you can see wisps in map
Okay this is ludicrous lol. Is this MF only or is it viable without? And how much to start up a TS char that can clear this content?
I can assure you non-MF players (that have the advantage of being able to clear the same content faster or harder content with less bricking) are doing quite well for themselves in this kind of farm.
why does he pull his voidstones out im so confused
To drop T14 Jungle Valley instead of T16 in the map.
my first mirror drop was also at a 9k yellow map lol
i like this method but map sustain seems to be a real issue and no one is selling T14 maps.
They're non-corrupted so you just roll them. You only need to find an average of 1 map per map. Watchstones gotta be removed after initiating the map to drop T14 Jungle Valley.
anyone have this abyss bug no spawns?
can you drop a Mirror in T7 maps?
You can drop a mirror in the campaign. So yes. 😏
don't see the result spreadsheet linked anywhere
Yeah, I’ll be overwriting it I decided. You can pause as I scroll down, hopefully.
Hey snoo , i love you content always and watching the stream i dont wanna be rude about this but i wanna say that inclunding a mirror in calculation and also 11 min per map is kinda sush, cuz first of all you are not gonna take a mirror every 100 maps you do that for sure and second of all the avarage time for maps with abyss is 18-20 mins (incluning loot ) so these numbers you provide 100-150 divs is more likely 40-60 and that also include time of real gameplay not leaving wildwood , so in your senario its not even 100-150 div per map cuz if you do 6 maps per hour and abadon at least 6+ its also 4-5mins per map you abadon.That my point of view
Thanks for the feedback. I hope you realize that 11 minutes per map INCLUDES the abandoned maps. You're right, for the 46 maps I ran, I averaged closer to 15-20 minutes. It's the abandoned maps that drove the time down. Also, I'm not counting the mirror drop in my calculations. I'm counting the 20 Sacred orbs I looted as a projected mirror in value as explained in the opening of the video. (1:20 mirror to sacred or projected drop weightings with the league mechanic).
37 sacreds, 0 mirrors Sadge
Im at 70ish sacred orbs and still counting. No mirrors yet
Keep it up, boys.
@@snoobae8553yoo, just got first mageblood
Sry if I missed but how many wisps or do you throw the map away?
43:12 for Wisp spreadsheet. Those are the ones I ran.
map roll 0.4d wing rel scarab 0.7 its 1.1 already, how map cost 1.4d per ?
I don't think the app counts Winged Reliquary at 0.7div. I'd just roll them if that's the case. Haven't bought any winged scarabs in a while. I kind of self-sustain them...
what do you think about this strat without any MF?
Quite lucrative! Especially if it's the difference between doing T7 or T11 vs T14 with altars. Lower tiers with a lot of MF all other factors equal will be more loot though.
I feel like I am the only person losing money hand over fist with these strats. Tried every MF build and none of them returned my input costs over the long run as I never once got those juicy loot explosions everyone else seems to get with less wisps.
You’re not running the forest correct then. If you get blue mixed with either purple or yellow it’ll drop several divine in that map. Run t11+ so you can get valdo’s boxes. And put as many rare monsters in the map as possible via beyond, deli, abyss/legion, wandering path is a must for this strat too. If you take wandering path off you get like 25% of the loot you’d get with it.
@@444bryce I had an 8k blue and purple even split with about 1k yellow and I got a single div out of it.... So tell me how I magically make that better.
are you running winged scarabs? whats your iiq/iir? which sextants are you using? how are your maps rolled?
all these things need to be sorted out...
@@totallynottrademarked5279 record a single map of you running with wisp count like this lol you are 100% doing something very wrong or just very smart lying so people think its not worth it lol
Are you keeping the abyss spires alive so they shoot out the rare spawners?
Im done playing MF as I've farmed an extremely juiced KB Int stacker. Do you think the old laws of: Proper juice + Atlas passives = profit even with some of the prices of mapping supplies? Was thinking of doing 80-100% deli + abyss and jamming rare monsters in.
I know I’m pretty new to this game, but seeing someone brush off loot that I would die for is insane.
at 15ish sacred orbs in 144 burials on fulcrum mf. Would be cool to see a raw mirror or two this league.
You're almost due!
Thing I find most amazing about this video is how tanky you are as a deady, id be nuked 20x over and have 500+ div invested on top of a HH. How are you so defensive?
I can actually post a video on that I sort of made in the middle of this set.
@@snoobae8553 that would be awesome. My biggest issue is I get 10k wisps, and then I’m just nuked before I can collect my loot. Super frustrating when you think you’ve put a ton of money into a build. Have to scale damage pretty high I guess.
To me this strat is if you want to do div per hour. I'm more of what is the average on running # of maps. I find I have more fun with the game when I stopped tracking div per hour and just play the game. Div per hour just makes it fill like a job and not a game at least too me.
That's fair. At least you recognize the value. :)
mfw my stash value is 139div and this dude is farming that in an hour
wait u instakill abyss spire with ts? i cant even see
I accidentally gibbed like 4 abyss spires in 100 maps (or 46 maps ran). Something like a 97% success rate not killing the spire prematurely.
okok thanks love ur videos, gl ❤❤@@snoobae8553
Одна ошибка и ты ошибся. Great vid, thanks for sharing.
Should just have a buyer lined up and just sell one portal to a dud map for like 1d
1d a map isn't worth the trouble of lining up a buyer, my friend.
120 sacred orbs, mf since day 3 of the league start, 6kk kills on char :)
Are you implying 0 mirror drops? :(
@@snoobae8553 snap was saying it's more like 1 in 40 for mirror drop compared to sacreds.
all the poe community start crying in next league because of no loot!
I won't be crying, though. :) I would play Ruthless if my audience favored if.
494 divine worth being 501.3 divine ? ye sure what
Not my application xD
Not so good after shafownerf.
Bro Why Einhar makes no sense for me?
Beasts are some of the most premium rare conversion potential mobs in the game. They drop good loot through the league mechanic. Red beasts in particular spawn an insane number of trash mobs that don't drop loot but further spawn Beyond like crazy when they die over and over and over. It also forces no other master on the map, and what I discovered in Kalandra league is beasts helped spawn all the eldritch packs on the map especially towards the earlier portion of the map that's usually vacant on Jungle Valley.
You know you can still clear map even if you dont have enought wisps? Of course for top players maybe its not optimal but i dont like to waste scarabs/compasses.
Lol is this a real question. Everyone knows you can clear it even if you don't have enough wisps. The point of this video is literally the opposite of that. Did you know you can leave all the maps where you don't have good juice and make more profit?
@@zachmortimer yea, i can leave but after clearing the map
@@Kaldzi1993 did you know you can leave without clearing the map
Nice man, so can every other person who plays the game. That's the standard gameplay loop.
This conversation is S-tier in my book.
So tired of everyone playing a tornado shot build so fucking boring
This league it’s demanded. But at least I did an off meta version. :D
Did anyone else get super tired of this MF meta? Spending more time looting than killing monsters just isn’t fun. Even with a very strict filter it gets super obnoxious.
Your filter isn't strict enough still or you're just not fast enough, or both.
The game is great because it's fast and fun. I don't want to spend 30 seconds in one spot hammering on some indistinguishable pack of laggy goons. Like 3 to five seconds is the longest it should take to clear a spot, any more than that just feels bad.
I dislike juicing because I don't enjoy playing a 5fps game
@@ArchEnemyIsN01stop lying online
I've just stricken my filter up yet again, and applied a high-tier currency filter only for first run through. It's really nice. Look at belts second run through.
mf should be nerfed with iquantity this league. But ggg scored on poe 1, next league would be too not full dev working cause poe 2
I'm having the most fun I've ever had in the game this league. No nerf.
What is wrong with people not wanting to have fun in this game? I don't get it
@@darillblack3288 I play MF myself and its fun, but I get it. Imagine if they removed all MF stats all together, people would actually want to make their characters strong and fast only and minmaxing it that way - IF they added some MF mechanic like whisps in next league, ideally in a matter where you can manually change and increase difficulty for more loot infinitely scaling, so the stronger you make your character the more "'mf'' you will be.
Right now once you farm some currency and make decent strong enough character to kill whisped juiced t16 maps you basically have nothing to do and thats not so hard, I am playing 2nd league in PoE so basically a noob and have already over 2 mirror MF gear setup and have not much to upgrade except awakened empower gem for 500d and a timeless jewel that can go up to a mirror price for 120% rarity... ofc some things will be there to upgrade to minmax but I dont see them, got most corrupt implicits i could think off, basically all items t1 maxroll
It’s just the vocal minority that hasn’t figured out how to make it out of white maps 😂
Yet this mechanic could still yield insane returns in white maps too.
“Additional 4 abysses to spawn on map.” One abyss spawns every single time. It’s so stupid I don’t understand. Waste so much currency buying all these things for one abyss like …??
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