क्यों बनाई WAG-12 की COPY WAG-9 TWIN रेलवे का नया इंजन | New Toy of Railways
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- CLW (Chitranjan Locomotive Works) is a manufacturing unit of Indian Railways has just released new 12000 HP Locomotive named WAG-9 Twin which coindently has same design just like WAG-12 from Alstom.
In this video i have explained why CLW has manufactured these locomotives and what is the future of these Locomotives in indian Railways
भारतीय रेलवे की विनिर्माण इकाई सीएलडब्ल्यू (चितरंजन लोकोमोटिव वर्क्स) ने हाल ही में WAG-9 ट्विन नाम से नया 12000 एचपी लोकोमोटिव जारी किया है, जिसका डिज़ाइन एल्सटॉम के WAG-12 के समान है।
इस वीडियो में मैंने बताया है कि सीएलडब्ल्यू ने इन लोकोमोटिव का निर्माण क्यों किया है और भारतीय रेलवे में इन लोकोमोटिव का भविष्य क्या है
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WAG 9Twin will be used mainly in ghat section as wag 12 struggles on ghat section due to bo-bo+bo-bo affangement whereas WAG 9Twin with Co-co+co-co arrangement will have higher tractive efffort on ghat sections. Although wag 9Twin will have lower speed than wag12 but on ghat sections it will be more effective than wag12.
Most importantly, WAG-9 is a time tested model and reliability is also very high. I would like to see modern amenities like toilets, AC and comfortable seats in the new WAG 9s be it singke or twin units
Bunk beds bhi hone chahiye rest karne ke liye. 4drivers jyada hi rakh lo lambe route ke liye. 😅
When you realize Indian Railways will make high power locomotives: *panik
They buy Prima Series loco from you and brand it as WAG-12: *kalm
They proceed to join 2 Swiss origin WAG-9 and make one high power loco: *panik
😂😂😂😂
The major problem with the WAG 9 was that it couldn't go over 80-90 kph in MU operation, because the oscillation of the catenary created by the first loco's pantograph would break contact with the panto of the second loco. This is why the WAG 12 locos use a single panto for the twin section. I am interested to see if it can incorporate the tech of power sharing between twin section with a single panto (if both are coupled together). If they are supposed to be used in push-pull, then even better.
Also, another point of interest in my mind is the question as to how the loco would handle the power of the twin section on a Co-co wheelset. I hope CLW has properly ballasted the weight for this loco, as the old WAG9 loco was too light, leading to wheelslip under hard acceleration. WAG 12 used a bo-bo-bo-bo wheelset because its design was too light for a co-co-co-co wheelset design.
Even WAG12 had wheelslip problem. During trials it couldn't climb gradients with load. WDG4 twins where sent to rescue it. What's in service with Indian Railways today is not WAG12. It's WAG12B (modified original WAG 12 where length and weight increased that increased tractive effort of loco).
@@Pranith_Exactly. Weight is needed over the driving wheels to get adequate adhesion for the loco. And this is my thought as well, whether CLW has properly ballasted the loco for twin section operation.
Wag 12 only works in non gradient sections...it is just shit...
I am stunned with knowledge you people have….r u people working with Indian railway??
East or West ,CLW is the best ❤
Good presentation Shubham. 👍
Rocking CLW ❤
Gajab
Indigenous product would enhance the Indian asset performance in collaboration
Proud of our CLW ❤😊
Very Very good
WAG 9Twin can be a successful locomotive as it is versatile and can be used even if both units are seperated, also this loco has a wheel arrangement of C-C+C-C when compared to WAG 12B's B-B+B-B which means this locomotive can provide more tractive effort than WAG 12B if both WAG 9Twins are operated together.......
Yup wag12 is useless in most places...it's not allowed in gradient sections
@@adr23 well it's not useless they are being used heavily, i have seen innumerable trains with WAG 12B's, although I don't know about them not being allowed in gradient sections, well i think that's not true, it's mostly being built for DFC but it's powerful enough to handle gradients
@@theraildynasty_ Power is only half the story. A good freight loco also needs weight (especially over the driving axles) to be able to put its power to good use. Otherwise, it would wastefully spin its wheels and wear down the rails and wheels as well, without being able to haul any good load. The initial WAG 12 was too light to have good adhesion. The newer WAG 12B was ballasted with additional weight to offset this issue.
@@prabhatsourya3883 true but that's an issue not only pertaining to WAG-12 but any other electric locomotive, if a railway operator needs more tractive effort then they will use diesel-electric locomotives, that's why railways won't be phasing out diesel-electric locomotives so easily hence the orders of new GE family.......
@@theraildynasty_ Diesel-electric locomotives have higher TE compared to electric locos, simply because of two things. Their heavy components (the generator and transformer arrangement) are placed directly on their driving wheels, increasing adhesion. Also, diesel-electric locos can reduce voltages and surge up the current output for their traction motors at the lower notches, while electric locos are limited in this respect due to limitations on the amount of power that they can draw from the overhead lines. Thus, diesel-electric locos can provide higher TE at lower working notches, which is why they can start up and work larger freight trains single-handedly. However, as electric locos can draw high current all the time, at high speeds, the diesel locos lose out in the top speed game to the electric locomotives.
esse bdhiyan 9000 hp wale wag 9 ka dual loco bnana chahiye
18000HP 🤤. CLW wale kya kar rahe pata nahi, government shyd fund nahi di hogi WAG 9 HH ko 😅, Siemens ke 9000 HP use kiye jaenge.
@@Kanpuriyethat's called cheap politics.. CLW ko funds nahi diya ja Raha hai...wap 7 ka 9000 hp wala version bhi paused kar Diya Gaya.. specifications abhi bhi hai internet pe RDSO ke site me
@@sumantakolay1436 are WAP7 funds ke wajeh se nahi pause hue hai yaar overproduction ho gaya tha unka isliye pause hue hai
@@Kanpuriye Are you joking?? Wap 7 ka over production???? Kaha likha hai dikhaoge??? Aur overproduction hua bhi to power upgradation project ruka kyu hai??
@@sumantakolay1436 Are bro my mistake
Edit Explanation : I misread and then wrote wrong myself, I was talking about WAG9 not WAP 7. Yess WAP7 are short and literally mass produced WAG9 are used or the old WDG3's 🙂.
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New freight loco for passenger train :)
Wap 5 tejas wdap5 wagc3 ka kuch hua?...
Sir humsafar ke 3ac coach ka video de sakte hai hame dekhna tha
Can you tell why most train to kerala from pune divert to panvel and then goes ahead example 22150 pune ernakulam it must go straight
Hi sir
Two wag 9 and wag 9 twin me kya diffence rehega please explain.......
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Sir, CLW passengers locomotive par dhyan kyu nahi de raha
Railways saare order blw ko de rahe hai
premium trains ko bhi aerodynamic push/pull dena chahiye aur loco ko bhi gangway se coaches ko jud dena chahiye taaki proper train set jesa lage.
WAG-11 was already made with 2 WAG-9 Loco... Holding in Bondamunda Loco shed, Odisha
@Shubham Kumar WAGC3 ka kya hua.
What Freight trains needs now are Push Pull Wag9HH trains. 18000 HP. 12 axles. Can pull anything anywhere. Bye bye Wag 12. Just put all the nice modern amenities in the WAG9HH locos (AC, Toilets)
Its ok. But Wag 12 loco production should not stop. I like Wag 12.😢
it wont
But it is just waste...
@@adr23 whatever
Only 812 loco contraxt with ALSTOM
we need to develop our own technology matching or bettter than WAG12B. when the contract is over with ALSTOM who will meet future requirement. needless to say that CLW has taken the initiative which will get perfected in due course of time.
Buta acchi Bata bati ji
Why WAG-9Twins Instead Of WAG-9HH?
We can get 18000HP With WAG-9HH instead of 12000HP with Wag-9.
They should look for new liverly
May be WAG 9 hog technology can be added for LHB rake trains and speed may be upgrade 100-130 if they started experiment in future
WAG-9 is a Goods Train engine, it is not for Passenger Trains. WAP-7 is the India's Most powerful Passenger Train engine, which has same technology like WAG-9. Main difference between WAG-9 and WAP-7 is gear ratio. Actually, 1st WAP-7 loco was made from WAG-9 technology changing Gear Ratio and increasing speed limit.
There is no point adding HOG to WAG 9. The only reason why WAG 9 locos are hauling passenger trains is because of the shortage of passenger locos, which Indian Railways is working hard to eliminate. Once the loss is eliminated, there would be no need for WAG 9 locos for passenger haulage.
@@prabhatsourya3883 hog system can be helpful for those type goods trains example like parcel van also IR is planning a new goods raks for transporting Icecream & frozen products
@@ksgamer9358 That's an interesting idea. The question is, how much of power will a full rake of refrigerated products consume? If it is too much, the loss in power of a WAG 9 loco is too much to make economic sense.
Also, if international reefer containers are to be connected to this HOG system, then it won't be compatible with the HOG system for LHB rakes. The LHB rakes use a HOG system of 750 V, 3 phase AC current. The reefer containers used in international trade use a power supply of 480V, 3 phase AC current.
So a HOG for WAG 9 might make sense for parcel trains or reefer container traffic, it wouldn't be compatible with our current LHB use, not without a major redesign.
Wasn't the WAG-9's developed by ABB, a Swedish-Swiss conglomerate? Keeping that in perspective, how can it be called a CLW's design??
How they connect electronics of two loco one at front and other at rear end?
EPCS SYSTEM
Wag 12 me bobo 2-2-2-2 wheel arrangement he.but wag9 me coco means 3-3-3-3 wheel he.
Means wag twin jyada achcha hoga......
Right.
Thank you.
There are diminishing returns for excessive number of wheels in an electric loco. The OG WAG 9 couldn't run MU, because the torque generated was too much, causing massive wheelslip. RDSO had to ballast the loco and add 9 extra tons of dead weight, to allieviate the problem. Thus, the reason why WAG 12 was using Bo-Bo-Bo-Bo configuration was because it was too light for Co-co-co-Co wheelsets.
Thus, it depends on the weight distribution of the locos.
@@prabhatsourya3883wag12 is useless in gradient sections
....it is not even allowed in gradient sections...even wag7 does a much better job....that itself is a big disaster for wag12...waste of money....you don't need that much power in flat sections....wag9h is enough....
@@adr23 Exactly. Even with a Bo-Bo-Bo-Bo configuration, WAG 12 was still too light to gain enough adhesion. So if this WAG9 twin is not ballasted properly, even this would suffer from issues in gradients.
Also, WAG 7 had better weight distribution because of the bulky rectifier equipment. As more of the weight was laid out on the wheels compared to the center section of the loco, WAG 7 had great adhesion, which made it better for climbing the ghats.
Also, I believe that Alstom had reconfigured the weight of the WAG 12 to make it heavier and improve the axle load, making the WAG 12B loco, multiple examples of which I had seen in the Nagpur-Jhansi section (which has some graded sections).
Also, there is a catch with using twin WAG 9 locos. While it is true that two WAG 9 locos has a greater starting TE (1020 kN), the TE drops down to 60% of the starting TE, while WAG 12 is said to sustain a continuous TE of 705 kN, which helps in high-speed freight operations. So WAG 12 will have its needs in express freight service.
jharkhand......bihar.....orisa......innjgaho mein wag 12 hanfne lagti thi....wag 9 twine will be a game changer....
Kon bta ra tmko ye sb?
Kya IR WAG12 ki production pe rok lagane wala hain??
Agar WAG9 Twin successful ho gayi, toh WAG12 ki din khatam hone wala hain
Bhai, ₹25,000 crore ka poora contract already ban chuka hai. Abhi use vaapas nahi liya jaa sakta. Toh WAG 12 toh banenge hi, ye loco jaake WAG 7 aur WAG 5 ko replace karne lagega. Jaise jaise voh locos apne service life complete karenge, vaise vaise unhe decommission karke ye WAG9 twins de denge.
@@prabhatsourya3883 Subham bhai ne end part mein details bataye hain ALSTOM ki factory k barein mein.
Main bass apna speculation de raha tha 🤭
No bro dfc me high rise section WAG 12 handle krega mostly
why not make wag9hh-twin to get an 18000hp locomotive
Bhai kuch alco locomotives mein unke loco no. Ke saath 'R' kyun lagayaa jata hai. Please explain it through a video.
R means retro fitted
Usually alco Diesel produces DC current fed to traction motors
those R Mentioned alco locos replaced by alternator and feed AC to traction motor's
WAG 9 be like:- "Koyi izzat hi nahi hai bancho"😢😂
Wag 11 yaad hai ??
Wahi hai ye shayad
Indian railways is creating plenty of Wag12s and using them instead of WAG9s, so now these WAG9s are now being used for low weight/ empty freight trains and passenger trains where max speed is below 120kmph.
but someone must have thought what if the spare WAG9s can be modified into twins and used similar to WAG12?
that way more freight trains can be run on DFC without waiting for the WAG12s to come. existing WAG9s can be used in similar fashion as to WAG12s.
so maybe this is an experiment to check on whether existing Wag9s can be modified for use in dual fashion.
note: - using them in Push Pull for Freight may not be easy as using them in Push Pull needs them to be physically connected with electrical wire connections.
I don't think Indian railways uses RF technology like the US Locomotives use for their DPS (distributed power system).
CHITTARANJAN LOCOMOTIVE WORKS.(CLW) ASANSOL
Ok
WAG 9 locomotive 9000 HP hai to dwell section me ye 12000 HP kion hai
ise to 18000 HP hona chahiye tha
Wag 10 ka kya hua?
RAIL MINISTER ISKA DADA HAI
SHRI ASWINI VAISHNAV JI
Arre yaar colour ek jisa dikhta hain kisa aapko same lagrahraha hai 😂
Yah sabse Achcha To locomotive hai lekin thoda power ko kam kar raha hai Kyunki yah 12 ki power jo hai vah hundred Ki Hai Shayad lekin mera favourite color Hai blue color bahut Achcha banaya hai Bhartiya Rail isko
Wag12 sounds like a beast when initiates it's acceleration.
There's no other Electric engine that cna beat it's sound ❤
Wait kar raha India ka ki wo Chinese ka shen 24 ko beat akre 😂.
Halaki impossible for atleast 10 years to 😂
Bud it can't climb small gradient with load...hehe....worst loco....even wag7 works much better with load in gradient sections....that itself a big failure.....you Don't need that much power in flat sections
Sir mera name bhi shubham h 😂😂
WAG 9 TWIN should have been a 9000+9000 = 18000 hp loco
there is reported issue with WAG12B in GHAT section.
Ushka Acceleration fast hoya
पहले ही आ जाना चाहिए था खैर देर आए दुरुस्त आए
I think WAG12 k BO-BO arrangement ke chalte use jo gradient par problems aa rhi thi may be WAG9 Twins ka Co-Co arrangement uska solution ho
Yes
Wag 9H ka kya hua jisme cabin ke ander he signal exchange feature tha???
Ye itne dekhne ko kyu nhi milte
dheere-dheere sab hoga.
WAG 9H wala loco ab siemens banake dega .. apna advance tech add karke ..
Is WAG 9 twin failure?
Wag 9 was also originally imported but became indigenous gradually. Something similar will happen with Wag 12. This experiment is gonna fail most probably.
Has wag 12 / 12B some failures? Just came to know about it in another video
No
Except low hauling while up gradient
Is WAG 9 a three phase locomotive ?
Yes
Yes
WAG9 TWINS LOL .
ISKA NAAM WAG9t hona cheay .
India's future goods locomotive WAG 12 Ultra . Wap 7 Ultra, wap 5 max, WAP4 Ultra z Indian locomotive ka naam thoda is type ka hona chahie Aisa Lage ki Samsung aur iPhone.
Indigenously made WAG9 is far better than imported WAG12 💪
WAG12 is not imported
Are Madarsachap WAG 12 made in India hai...Imported nhi hai
अच्छा हुआ चीन ने नही बनाया 😅
Engine dikhana chhod ke khud hi khada hai camera ke saamne....! 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Koi sense hai is baat ka?
WAG-12 FAIL IN GRADIENT SECTION
It's because of BO BO
Bakwas 😢
Wtf IR is doing kya bekar kaam krri hai koi passenger loco bnao wap7 ki new generation leke aao isko bnare ho bc🤣🤣
Abhi vande bharat and vande sadharan express ki vaje se wap 7 ka production slow bahut slow hai,rokha nahi hai, isliye,aab aane Wale time pe trainsets replace karega sabhi Wap4, Wap7
now Railways are focusing more towards good locos production
why they are not improving in design🥲🥲🥲
Is it mandatory to improve design in Freight Locomotives? Freight locomotives are mainly for freight services, so, here freight service is much much important than design.
But why is it needed? Our objective should be met .. european design is not required , kausa woh 150 me jayega ..
@@prithwishbiswasroni5743 Yeah but y the Siemens nd alstrom coming with design..y can't we....my point is that when we gonna export should they make with this Design
@@ayush6319 India don't need to export electric locomotives. India only export diesel locomotives. India don't export electric locomotives, because, Indian Broad gauge(5ft 6inch) is only used in India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. But, Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka have no electric traction system.
Most of the country in the world use Standard gauge in their Railway. Some countries use their own gauge also. In India, Standard Gauge is used in Metro Railway and upcoming RRTS and Bullet train.
Many countries in the world don't have Electric Traction system. Countries that have electric traction systems, make their electric locomotives or Electric Train set from Alstom, Hitachi, Siemens, ABB or their domestic companises directly according to their Track gauge.
Indian Railway also collab with this companies for electric locomotives. Indian Railway gives tender to this companies to manufacture this locomotive in India or Indian Railway collab with this companies for transfer technology(Mainly Traction motor's technology) permanently to Indian Railway's own manufacturing unit, so that Indian Railway can make this locomotives ingeniously.
Arre yaar colour ek jisa dikhta hain kisa aapko same lagrahraha hai 😂
Arre yaar colour ek jisa dikhta hain kisa aapko same lagrahraha hai 😂