An important note about the Logitech yoke: there is a 5-degree dead zone on the roll axis on each side and a smaller but notable, unsymmetrical dead zone on the pitch axis. This is part of the firmware in the yoke itself; YOU CAN NOT CALIBRATE IT AWAY. So it looks like only 90 degrees of motion, but you're actually getting only 80 degrees with a giant 10-degree area in the middle where nothing happens! I am in contact with their Saitek team, and they tell me this is a feature, not a bug. I replied that this is unacceptable and am waiting for their reply. I'll probably be returning my yoke system and a switch panel I purchased and getting Honeycomb hardware.
I have honeycomb yoke for a month now and it is absolutely a winner! It has the same feeling as C172 that I fly in my flight school. I had Saitek Yoke before and the difference between Honeycomb Yoke and Saitek Yoke is huge!
@@RickMeister64 If you don't have a throttle control, you can use the mouse to click and move the throttle on screen or assign keyboard commands to increase or decrease the throttle.
The Honeycomb Bravo Quadrant and Yoke I would love to have I am disabled and set at home a lot. I picked up a Extreme 3D pro at goodwill and like you I have trouble with it, I will keep trying I am praying that I could get the Honeycomb But as we speak (Type) I just can't afford it. Pray that I can get one in the days to come..
@@sadmanadib4369 Yes, but you have to use the Logitech throttle that is sold by itself. it has a USB connector. Call us to order 800-874-5346 ext 471 or www.gleimaviation.com/shop/throttle_log/
@@atent5124 Series S compatibility has not been announced yet. You can purchase from us and pay via PayPal www.gleimaviation.com/product-category/simulation/
Hah, cool to see the CH Yoke still available. I had it during the FS2004 days, doing some long haul flights on the VATSIM network nearly 20 years ago... Back to flight simming in 2023.
Does the Honeycomb Alpha Yoke has some kind of "dead zone" like other reviewers said, and if so, with MS Flight Simulator 2020, is there any remedy for that to make it truly realistic? Thanks!
Hi thanks, great review. I just ordered the Honeycomb Yoke, I already have the Logiteck stick. For now I do not have a Throttle Quadrant. Can I use both the Yoke and the stick? The stick has the throttle and I would use some of its other buttons as well.
bravo throttle quadrant will take up a ton of desk space when they start shipping in November or December. be prepared to store your Virpil grip while you are using the Bravo (i realize that that's down the road a piece since Bravo won't realistically be on anyone's desk until January 2021). A fold-down table-mount would be ideal to store the HOTAS out of the way but they dont make one, you'll have to invent that .
For those using a CH Yoke or thinking about buying one the springs for the elevator travel are ridiculously stiff so yep the shaft want's to bind and hang on the in/out travel. Here's what to do but remember opening the yoke case will void the warranty on a new yoke, make sure all functions and buttons are working before opening. Open it up and take those return springs off. Go to HD or Lowe's and look for ones with a similar length but much lighter in spring tension. They're pretty inexpensive so you could buy 2/3 pairs and test them all. There are vids on YT using rubber bands which work but they will dry out and break. Next...get some white lithium grease at an automotive supply store or maybe the big box store. Forget about lubing this yoke up with WD40, it won't work. With the case still open lube up the shaft and the "slide" that the yoke uses. I think that slide is really what makes the shaft drag and hang. Also lube it up at the front and back openings that support the shaft. Be generous with the stuff, it won't hurt it. When done and put back together it will be noticeably easier to use and have smooth movements--the lighter springs make a hell of a difference. I bought a new CH Flight Sim yoke about five years ago and I now need to take it apart, clean it up and do a re-lube.
I experimented with a lot of different lubricants and none except one worked as I hoped it would. The one thing that worked was automotive STP Oil Treatment. It is ridiculously slippery, can be applied to the shaft without need to disassemble anything and makes the yoke at least twice as good as it started out to be!!! I tried a friend's brand new Honeycomb and honestly, I like my lubricated CH better!!!
it's just amazing to me too. At least there's not one that's under $1000 usd and it's a shame because if there was an affordable one, it would be a big hit. it could use the same software concepts as the simshaker software does. The disaster that was IRIS probably spooked everyone and now no one will do a crowd=funding deal
Hi it´s a nice Video. wich angle have your 3 Monitor´s . 22,5 degree´s ??? it look like my x-plane 11 Simulator. I use am 21:9 Monitor for the instroments it´s perfekt and works great. when i fly with analog Instroments, then i put the comunikations on the right. i´m stay tuned. Good job
I really wish I knew how to get the Honeycomb controllers. I made the mistake of waiting until after Microsoft Flight Sim released, and now they are impossible to get. Everyone that bought them, is selling them on Ebay for a $200 - $250 markup. It's nuts.
Same here, although I just found one on eBay about 5 hours ago for $260, in perfect shape and came with the box. Tracking says it’ll arrive on Thursday. You can’t find it anywhere in stock, Amazon has one for $599.
We will have them back in stock in a few weeks, or call us to place a backorder and you won't pay until it ships. 800-874-5346 ext. 471. www.gleimaviation.com/shop/yoke_honeycomb/
5 years ago I was so unhappy with the center detents in the Saitek yoke I made my own. I made aileron travel the full 90 degrees in either direction with no center detent. I mounted the main shaft on a pillow block bearing, then mounted that on a carrier mounted to a set of linear bearings on rails for pitch control. I used separate springs for roll and pitch (Other very expensive yokes at the time used one spring for both roll and pitch, making pitch forces inconsistent in one axis if the other was deflected. THAT was annoying). But at least it got rid of that @#$%^!! center detent in the Saitek. Then for the throttle quadrant I made linear motion controls to mimic my 172RG as I didn't like the rotary (90 degree) levers that the Saitek had. Does the Honeycomb system use one spring for pith/roll forces, or are there two springs? Sounds like I was just too early for the Honeycomb. My system is working fine, but if I ever need another it's good to see the Honeycomb is available now! Best of luck, everyone! Happy flying!
Is there ANY possibility to make some photos of the modifications you made to Saitek yoke? I`m pretty much interested in those linear bearings. I wanted to do that myself, but I`m not sure if it`s possible to mount them as the wires are attached to the shaft from the both sides. How should I do that, without desoldering the wires that comes out of the shaft? I`d be very grateful for the pics, if you have any. Thanks for the tips, anyway!
Hey all, thinking about ordering the honeycomb alpha yoke and honeycomb bravo throttle quadrant. they do not have rudder pedals, can I buy logitech pedals to go with the honeycomb alpha and bravo? I've been looking for this answer online and cannot find it. Or Can I just use keys on the keyboard or is there buttons for the rudders on the yoke? Many thanks in advance
Hi Ross, Yes you can use the Logitech pedals, they just plug in with a separate USB cable. I highly recommend using pedals. If you don't have them, the simulator software can auto coordinate the yaw axis with the roll axis, however, that is not very realistic.
@@GleimAviation hey thanks!! That's awesome I didn't know if they would connect right and i don't wanna make a $70 mistake 😅 hope your day is wonderful!
I guess the Honeycomb is next... I've had the CH Yoke and the Saitek Pro Flight Yoke & Switch Panel in the past. Didnt like the CH yoke due to the all plastic construction and the somewhat jerky movement. I also didn't like the fact that the shaft extended out the back beyond the housing. I ended up modding it by removing the centering springs and using silicone lube spray on the shift. The Saitek yoke had a much smoother motion and the mount was more robust. The addon switch panels, throttle quads and mounting options are a plus. Unfortunately the starter knob on the switch panel is not spring loaded either. It also had this quirk where FSX wouldnt pick it up until one of the switches was toggled. I got rid of them them a while back but I always kept my trusty Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X
MSFS2020 real problems with Ch Products... please advise.. pitch down wont assign and I cant control any small aircraft with side stick...doesnt make sense. Most of the buttons dont work anyway... good footage though bud...
I've heard a number of people having similar issues with any hardware. As the software is very new, there are bugs getting worked out. MS team blaming hardware, hardware manufactures blaming MS. 🤷
Make sure you assign the analog setting (FS2020 calls it something weird "....axis" IIRC. I'm not in front of the computer right now). Basically you have 3 settings. pitch down pitch up and pitchaxis (I think)... The 3rd option "pitchaxis" is what you use. Had exactly the same problem as you. Now it all works. You use ....axis for the foot controller too.
Yep, what @@pentachronic says is most likely the problem people are having. Assign to “pitch axis”, not “pitch up” or “pitch down”. Also, buttons need to be manually programmed.
ok I am thinking to try to be on a budget how bout.................LOGITECH G Saitek Pro Flight Throttle Quadrant times 2 for twin engine flight , LOGITECH G Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals and........LOGITECH Extreme 3D Pro Joystick
I just ordered the Honeycomb as it's featured-packed for the price. I really like the two different desk mounting systems and all of those useful switches. The next step up would be a Yoko Plus but man, over $1000 for a yoke is a bit much right now. For a stick I'll go with something by Virpil. Great review, thanks!
If you have a stand alone Logitech throttle with a USB connection, then you can use it. The throttle that comes with the Logitech yoke has a special connector that only works with it.
To confirm, you need to buy the Logitech Throttle with the USB cable that is sold separately from the Logitech yoke. The one that comes with the yoke has a special cable that only plugs into the yoke.
Hi Paul. Great video. Is the honeycomb and Logitech systems plug and play, or do you need 3rd party drivers? 5 yrs ago I bought several Logitech systems but ran into all kinds of driver problems and finally gave up and sold them all. I plan on getting the MS flight sim 2020 soon but the memory of my experience holds me back. Any info would be greatly appreciated, Thanks!!!
Very nicely done. Love the clarity and to the point style. Not a dull moment. For some reason I did not catch the price of the Honeycomb system, but was able to look it up on your website. Again, thank you for a very informative and enjoyable to watch review.
Is it possible to attach a "Logitech Quadrant Throttle" to the Honeycomb Yoke? I have the Logitech Control Yoke System along with the throttle quadrant since December 2021.The Logitech Yoke does NOT work properly because of the many "dead zones" I am encountering. Therefore, I am prepared to invest in the Honeycomb Yoke and I am wondering whether I'm able to use the Logitech Throttle quadrant with it. Thanks. Glen.
Hahaaaaa you do the same thing I do... I see those little labels on the buttons. I have a label maker, it's great :-) Though I had the T16000M stick... I've upgraded to the honeycomb yoke, not enough buttons to need to label.
The Yoko and the Brunner are both better than the honeycomb... I mean dont get me wrong the honeycomb is amazing for the price but a better description might be "Best value premium yoke".. instead of "Best Sim yoke ever".... I know, i know.. im that guy hahaha great video though
The Logitech/Saltek yokes are udder crap. Had two fail on me. One died inside of a week and the other was dead on arrival. After that I ended up getting the Honeycomb Alpha yoke and it was a major improvement in both quality and function. Never ever going back to Logitech again. They are the absolute worst for flight sim hardware. The most I may get is the autopilot panel because nobody else makes one.
unfortunately Honeycomb didn’t add the threaded inserts to their yoke, the clamp take up a lot of space under your table, so make sure there is room for your legs.
The threaded inserts at the top are technically meant to attach Logitech accessories, not mount the yoke. However, the clamps that go under the yoke work great. There is plenty of room under the table for your legs.
OK. First off, the Honeycomb is a good yoke, far better than the Saitek but it has flaws. I even tried to get some reaction from Honeycomb to my issue but no reply was forthcoming, nada. That's not very polite so I set out to find my own solution. The issue is that the pitch control, during fine movements in the flare, is slightly jerky, or sticky but definitely not smooth. This is a real shame because they already have the solution partially licked by using linear bearings on the double rail guide mechanism under the hood. They strangely proceed to use a nylon bush to guide the yokes spindle and I discovered that this is where the stickiness comes from. As an engineer, and always trying to improve a product already on the market, I dismantled the yoke and removed the spindle boss that the shaft of the yoke runs through. I removed the nylon bush and replaced it with a linear bearing after a little turning and reworking and it has transformed the yoke. No more jerky, sticky resistance to contend with. These linear bearings are SO cheap, under £10 for 12 number, linear bearings !! They out perform the nylon bush by miles. I fly a real world GA aeroplane and don't expect a jerky action and now my Honeycomb yoke copies the feel more accurately. I would urge Honeycomb to make this improvement in manufacture. It will not be an expensive thing to do. I'd be quite happy to convert the yokes of anyone interested in making this undoubted improvement to their simulator experience. I'd also be happy to talk to Honeycomb as well, if they are interested in improving their product.
Good info, I might add that trying to land a plane with the two cheaper yokes is really hard as the shaft sticks and then moves. This makes your plane jump up and down. I even tried the modification for the Logitech yoke where they take the springs out and use rubber bands. Still I had to bite the bullet and buy the honeycomb. More bucks but worth it.
Is your center screen a touchscreen monitor? I just completed a new PC build for MSFS2020 and considered a smaller touch screen for "touching buttons" in the cockpit but was not sure if it will work like i want it to. My graphics card will support 4 monitors (and i have 3). Right now i was waiting to see if the game will support. Thanks!
Yes, it is a touchscreen. We use proprietary software on our system to power it, but there are some 3rd party apps that can interface with the major sim software titles.
Hi Paul I got a Logitech Yoke and throttles that comes in the packeds and no my Yoke want stay in the senter when I fly the X Plane 11 so I can not letgo of the Yoke .I do not know what is wrong when I fly VOR
I note that he gave prices for everything EXCEPT the Honeycomb yoke. I suppose that he didn’t want to scare people away with how expensive it really is...
I've had my CH Yoke and pedals for over 15 years now (wasn't entry level back then, was the only yoke you could get). It's still going strong, but for MSFS 2020 I had to assign all the switches and axis myself. Looking to get the Honeycomb.
I have the flight sim yoke and ch pro pedals as well and it works great. However i agree it took me a lot of time to configure manually in fs2020. I don’t understand why ch product didn’t agree with microsoft to have the auto assignement like they did with the xbox controller and logitech and saitek products. It took me one hour i think to configure to understand and set correctly the yoke pedal and trackir5
GleimAviation my ch product yoke and pro pedals and trackir5 works perfectly and it is very precise. I have no issue with throttle propeller and mixture. I have the full set for just the price of the honeycomb. My yoke is super stable on my desk it does not move at all as a contrary of what we see in the video.
I have a CH yoke that I have had for a few years. I think it works very good and I keep the shaft lubricated with white lithium grease. Still going strong. I also have CH rudder pedals and they are going strong as well.
If i wanted to get the honeycomb yoke, but also get the logitech instruments, will they work together, and if so is there a way to mount the instruments to the yoke? or do you a recommendation for how mount those instruments to a desk without buying their expensive panel?
Hi Christopher, the instruments will work with the Honeycomb Alpha yoke. You'll probably need to make sure you have a powered USB hub to connect them all depending on how many you use. The Alpha yoke also has the same bolt pattern on top to accept the Logitech instruments. The instruments have a frame that you can use as a template to drill holes to a desk and mount with screws. Otherwise you could create your own mounting tray that clamps to a desk.
Do they make throttle controls with push/pull functionality like Cessna aircraft I'd likely take my training in? Hoping to get as close as I can to help get familiar with the controls.
There are no consumer grade products currently produced in what's known as the vernier style. However, the lever style works similarly and is easily adaptable to any type of aircraft.
Perfect video, thanks! I was originally looking at the Logitech G Pro but seen a comment saying it didn't have the full range of motion but the Honeycomb did, and this video cleared that up very well for me. Thanks for keeping me from wasting money on Logitech G Pro and THEN turning around for a Honeycomb later on. Much appreciated, thanks are beyond words. Thanks, again.
Following your excellent presentation for which I thank you, I am interested now in the Honeycomb Alpha Yoke, is it possible to connect a Logitech G Flight Control Quadrant ? Thank you in advance for your help which will be appreciated.
Something you mentioned on the cheapy yoke was that it doesn't bounce back to the same position pitch wise. You didn't mention it at all on the other 2 and it looked like when you were testing the honeycomb it had the same problem. Can anyone who has the honeycomb or logitech comment on whether or not the pitch springs work good in returning it to the 0 position?
I can confirm that the Honeycomb does return to the 0 position. It is the only one built "solid" and the only one that even could become part of an FAA-Approved system.
@@GleimAviation How about the logitech? I watched another video from Michael Brown and he says the pitch axis is kind of stuttery. Does it return to the 0 position and could the stutter be something you could potentially throw some grease onto the shaft to help remedy that?
@@Hockeyguy8541 The Logitech SOMETIMES has that issue. Some grease could help, but the reality is that the pilot is going to intentionally move the yoke where they want it to go. The CH is that only one that really becomes sticky to the point that it is a nuisance
@@GleimAviation Yeah I know what you mean. My grandpa had me flying his bonanza when I was 6 or 7 and had me using flight sims for years after that and he bought me the CH which I used for years. It's a very cheaply made yoke that I honestly can't recommend.
@@GleimAviation Honestly I've had more fun with the logitech joystick you showed in this video than i ever had with that yoke. That joystick is what I'm currently using for MSFS2020.
Saitek isn't in business, and hasn't been for several years. Do you mean the Logitech Throttle Quadrant? It should have a USB connection, just plug it into your PC.
We have not found a need to make any internal modifications to the Honeycomb yoke. This yoke has a smooth operation that comes close to many real aircraft.
Hi Ken, The mounting base has a bracket that keeps everything nice and tight, but I had to remove it temporarily to mount all 3 yokes at the same time.
@@GleimAviation Ah! Okay, thanks for the quick reply. I'm currently "flying" with the APEM (CH Products) Yoke, Throttle Quadrant and ProPedals. I've been one of their hardware/software beta testers for years. I was the only hardware tester for the Throttle Quadrant.
That honeycomb sure is sweet, a cool $550 on amazon. The logitech stick would be a nice starter for me, wish I could find it close to the $50. Sells on Amazon for closer to $100. Might have to do find it the old fashion way and check the stores.
Keep your eyes peeled on eBay. I just found the Honeycomb about 5 hours ago for $260, it’s in perfect shape and even came with the box. Tracking says it’ll arrive on Thursday. You literally can’t find it anywhere in stock, except Amazon and eBay for usually double the price.
@@GleimAviation I think I'm just going to pick up the Logitech flight stick from you guys. I'm super entry level and ya'll have it for 1/2 the price of amazon.
@@BaltimoreActual Unfortunately, it is also backordered. If you call us at 800-874-5346, ext 471, we can get an order in for you, and you won't pay until it ships. I'm expecting more in later this week or next.
Hello, great video! I am new to flight sim well I am an old gamer but I always found the flight sim games very hard to learn but now with FS 2020 it looks that Ms is adding a lot more aid for people like me. The question I have is If I just buy the Honeycomb Yoke will I need the other items rudder, throttle etc to play the game or can I purchase at a later date if I enjoy the experience. Thanks
I have a Saitek Cessna yoke which has a full 180 degree turn l/r . Such a shame they discontinued as it is far superior to the Logitech. Hardly use it as it so inconvenient attached to the desk.
I have owned the CH yoke for several years. The concave shaped grabbers which are supposed to keep the yoke securely attached to the desk are poorly designed i.m.o...I had to attach a length of half round dowel to the underside of my desk... It does the job of keeping the Yoke secured to the desk!
That rubberised coating on products is a time bomb. After a few years it suddenly self destructs and goes sticky. So many products have used it; it feels great when new but once it's gone you really do have to scrape it all off which isn't an easy task. Just a warning ... I've had all sorts of things degrade over the last few years.
I've had a CH yoke for 21 years. Dusted it off and tries it out. It's absolutely PERFECT ! I'm super happy. Was going to buy the thrustmaster boeing yoke. But forget that ! Sticking with my trusty CH yoke. U will buy 2 Logitech throttles though. Forget the honeycomb throttles. They break. Read about it in forums. And Reddit.
Hi, forgot, can you tell me how to set up a duel throttle quadrant? I use FS 2020 and fly the Beech Baron 58 and would like to set up duel quadrant for this aircraft. Any help would be greatly appreciated with this.
My Ch flight sim yoke is very stable on my desk and the throttle position is not an issue, i disagree with the reviewer. The control is very precise. i recommend the Ch product with the pro pedals that are very good as well and include the brake left and right. The only thing is you have to assign the function and axis youself in flight simulator 2020. It is plug and play but microsoft does not have the ch product in their compatibility list. I spent one hour to set the function correctly. I hope they will add it in the future for future ch product owners. But after that it works really great and the pedal are the best. The trackir5 also was plug and play but i had to restart the app to allow the assignment of the camera. Everything works perfectly i also called ch product to ask if it would work on xbox. They said they don’t support xbox but they said it is plug snd play so there is good chance it will work as well. The trackir won’t work on xbox because you need the software to configure the track clip pro. I don’t see that coming to xbox. However it is very important to use flight simulator in realistic condition or you need a vr headset but there is no vr headset for xbox series X for now. I hope one day microsoft will work with trackir5 to bring it to xbox. ( it is usb but need the configuration application) by the way tou won’t believe but i found the flight sim yoke at 6$ in a shop that sell used small price stuff. It is still a 180$can yoke today. I bought the pedal 231$can but i found then at 60$ on kijiji. But too late i already ordered them. These are very good my sets cost me Only 237$CAN
I'm bummed you didn't mention the price of the honeycomb (unless I missed it). It is pricier than the others. I just purchased (waiting for delivery) the Logitech Pro. But i would spend the extra for the Honeycomb (and will do so when I'm done actually building my simulator - literally converting a closet into a flight sim). But people should know that Honeycomb is only $250. Sounds like a lot, but when you look at what you get compared with others, it's absolutely worth it.
An important note about the Logitech yoke: there is a 5-degree dead zone on the roll axis on each side and a smaller but notable, unsymmetrical dead zone on the pitch axis. This is part of the firmware in the yoke itself; YOU CAN NOT CALIBRATE IT AWAY. So it looks like only 90 degrees of motion, but you're actually getting only 80 degrees with a giant 10-degree area in the middle where nothing happens!
I am in contact with their Saitek team, and they tell me this is a feature, not a bug. I replied that this is unacceptable and am waiting for their reply. I'll probably be returning my yoke system and a switch panel I purchased and getting Honeycomb hardware.
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I have honeycomb yoke for a month now and it is absolutely a winner! It has the same feeling as C172 that I fly in my flight school. I had Saitek Yoke before and the difference between Honeycomb Yoke and Saitek Yoke is huge!
I’m thinking of buying one. I’m new to sims. Do I need the throttle quadrant if I go with Honeycomb?
@@RickMeister64 Yes you have to buy it seperately
Branimir Filovski mine arrives this Wednesday I’ve been looking at the tracker of it the whole time
@@RickMeister64 If you don't have a throttle control, you can use the mouse to click and move the throttle on screen or assign keyboard commands to increase or decrease the throttle.
GleimAviation thanks!
The Honeycomb Bravo Quadrant and Yoke I would love to have I am disabled and set at home a lot. I picked up a Extreme 3D pro at goodwill and like you I have trouble with it, I will keep trying I am praying that I could get the Honeycomb But as we speak (Type) I just can't afford it. Pray that I can get one in the days to come..
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@@busterroberts5482 If you live in the UK I might be able to help you out with a CH products yoke.
Can’t just come say that so he might give you one come on ..
I want to know how you have 3 monitors and a fourth showing just the plane controls.....do a video on that. 🤔
Stay tuned...
@@GleimAviation can I use logitech quadrant throttle in honeycomb alpha yoke
@@sadmanadib4369 Yes, but you have to use the Logitech throttle that is sold by itself. it has a USB connector. Call us to order 800-874-5346 ext 471 or www.gleimaviation.com/shop/throttle_log/
GleimAviation Will this work on a Series S if I get the new flight sim with it? Also, what should I do if I want to pay with ££?
@@atent5124 Series S compatibility has not been announced yet. You can purchase from us and pay via PayPal www.gleimaviation.com/product-category/simulation/
Hah, cool to see the CH Yoke still available. I had it during the FS2004 days, doing some long haul flights on the VATSIM network nearly 20 years ago...
Back to flight simming in 2023.
Does the Honeycomb Alpha Yoke has some kind of "dead zone" like other reviewers said, and if so, with MS Flight Simulator 2020, is there any remedy for that to make it truly realistic? Thanks!
I have not experienced any dead zone with the Honeycomb Alpha Yoke.
I just gota honeycome yesterday. Will try it when I have sim rig setup somday!
There are some screws on the top of the honeycomb similar to the ones on the logitech. Are they also for mounting the Logitech flight panels?
Yes they are. ;-)
sooooo I built a pc to play the new fligh sim and well no yoke available anywhere so yeh
I know right I ordered one and its coming in February 2021
AirBOTT Cringe Holy crap that’s nuts!
AirBOTT Cringe I just ordered one of amazon coming tomorrow
Look around u can get one but places are fed price gouging
The Antichrist Don’t I know it....I had to stalk eBay, Facebook, and Sporty’s just to find everything....
Q: Compatible or Not?
- Honeycomb Alpha Flight Controls Yoke and Switch Panel
- Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals
- Logitech Pro Flight Throttle Quadrant
Yes, this is the same setup we use on our FAA approved BATD simulator.
Hi thanks, great review. I just ordered the Honeycomb Yoke, I already have the Logiteck stick. For now I do not have a Throttle Quadrant. Can I use both the Yoke and the stick? The stick has the throttle and I would use some of its other buttons as well.
You can assign the throttle axis to the Joystick then use the yoke for everything else.
bravo throttle quadrant will take up a ton of desk space when they start shipping in November or December. be prepared to store your Virpil grip while you are using the Bravo (i realize that that's down the road a piece since Bravo won't realistically be on anyone's desk until January 2021). A fold-down table-mount would be ideal to store the HOTAS out of the way but they dont make one, you'll have to invent that .
For those using a CH Yoke or thinking about buying one the springs for the elevator travel are ridiculously stiff so yep the shaft want's to bind and hang on the in/out travel. Here's what to do but remember opening the yoke case will void the warranty on a new yoke, make sure all functions and buttons are working before opening. Open it up and take those return springs off. Go to HD or Lowe's and look for ones with a similar length but much lighter in spring tension. They're pretty inexpensive so you could buy 2/3 pairs and test them all. There are vids on YT using rubber bands which work but they will dry out and break.
Next...get some white lithium grease at an automotive supply store or maybe the big box store. Forget about lubing this yoke up with WD40, it won't work. With the case still open lube up the shaft and the "slide" that the yoke uses. I think that slide is really what makes the shaft drag and hang. Also lube it up at the front and back openings that support the shaft. Be generous with the stuff, it won't hurt it. When done and put back together it will be noticeably easier to use and have smooth movements--the lighter springs make a hell of a difference. I bought a new CH Flight Sim yoke about five years ago and I now need to take it apart, clean it up and do a re-lube.
I experimented with a lot of different lubricants and none except one worked as I hoped it would. The one thing that worked was automotive STP Oil Treatment. It is ridiculously slippery, can be applied to the shaft without need to disassemble anything and makes the yoke at least twice as good as it started out to be!!!
I tried a friend's brand new Honeycomb and honestly, I like my lubricated CH better!!!
I have just purchased the Honeycomb yoke. I was using a Thrustmaster joystick. What do you use as the throttle control? Thanks for any help.
We use either the Logitech USB Throttle or Honeycomb Bravo Throttle.
for a second i thought it was Mike from redlettermedia
It's hard to believe we're in 2020 and there's not a force feedback yoke.
it's just amazing to me too. At least there's not one that's under $1000 usd and it's a shame because if there was an affordable one, it would be a big hit. it could use the same software concepts as the simshaker software does. The disaster that was IRIS probably spooked everyone and now no one will do a crowd=funding deal
@Scotty2hotty Keep us posted, we're first in line don't forget.
Can you use the throttles with the Honeycomb yoke?
@@timpaterson6278 -- yes, if you're talking about Bravo
Hi it´s a nice Video. wich angle have your 3 Monitor´s . 22,5 degree´s ??? it look like my x-plane 11 Simulator. I use am 21:9 Monitor for the instroments it´s perfekt and works great. when i fly with analog Instroments, then i put the comunikations on the right. i´m stay tuned. Good job
I really wish I knew how to get the Honeycomb controllers. I made the mistake of waiting until after Microsoft Flight Sim released, and now they are impossible to get. Everyone that bought them, is selling them on Ebay for a $200 - $250 markup. It's nuts.
Same here, although I just found one on eBay about 5 hours ago for $260, in perfect shape and came with the box. Tracking says it’ll arrive on Thursday. You can’t find it anywhere in stock, Amazon has one for $599.
We will have them back in stock in a few weeks, or call us to place a backorder and you won't pay until it ships. 800-874-5346 ext. 471. www.gleimaviation.com/shop/yoke_honeycomb/
@@Tyler-SHM Wow, that's amazing.
If you are interested in flying both types of control would you recommend getting a yoke and a joystick
Yes you can do that. In X-plane you can set up multiple hardware profiles.
@@GleimAviation thanks
I have bought and used all three yokes, and I can agree that the honeycomb is probable the best.
5 years ago I was so unhappy with the center detents in the Saitek yoke I made my own. I made aileron travel the full 90 degrees in either direction with no center detent. I mounted the main shaft on a pillow block bearing, then mounted that on a carrier mounted to a set of linear bearings on rails for pitch control. I used separate springs for roll and pitch (Other very expensive yokes at the time used one spring for both roll and pitch, making pitch forces inconsistent in one axis if the other was deflected. THAT was annoying). But at least it got rid of that @#$%^!! center detent in the Saitek.
Then for the throttle quadrant I made linear motion controls to mimic my 172RG as I didn't like the rotary (90 degree) levers that the Saitek had.
Does the Honeycomb system use one spring for pith/roll forces, or are there two springs? Sounds like I was just too early for the Honeycomb. My system is working fine, but if I ever need another it's good to see the Honeycomb is available now!
Best of luck, everyone! Happy flying!
Is there ANY possibility to make some photos of the modifications you made to Saitek yoke? I`m pretty much interested in those linear bearings. I wanted to do that myself, but I`m not sure if it`s possible to mount them as the wires are attached to the shaft from the both sides. How should I do that, without desoldering the wires that comes out of the shaft?
I`d be very grateful for the pics, if you have any. Thanks for the tips, anyway!
Awesome video I am now well informed and ready to purchase
So glad to help! www.gleimaviation.com/product-category/simulation/
Did u accomplish ur dream to have a simulator giorno?
Hey all, thinking about ordering the honeycomb alpha yoke and honeycomb bravo throttle quadrant. they do not have rudder pedals, can I buy logitech pedals to go with the honeycomb alpha and bravo? I've been looking for this answer online and cannot find it. Or Can I just use keys on the keyboard or is there buttons for the rudders on the yoke? Many thanks in advance
Hi Ross, Yes you can use the Logitech pedals, they just plug in with a separate USB cable. I highly recommend using pedals. If you don't have them, the simulator software can auto coordinate the yaw axis with the roll axis, however, that is not very realistic.
@@GleimAviation hey thanks!! That's awesome I didn't know if they would connect right and i don't wanna make a $70 mistake 😅 hope your day is wonderful!
Thanks for the video
am i understanidng it right, it doesnt have ffb and still costs 250 bucks?
If you want force feedback, you're going to spend many times more. FFB is not a necessary component even in "approved" flight simulators.
@@GleimAviation which is pretty sad. The logitech steeringwheels have 2 motors and this could easily be done on a yoke. This isnt rocket science
You did very good on your comparisons. thank you very much..
I guess the Honeycomb is next...
I've had the CH Yoke and the Saitek Pro Flight Yoke & Switch Panel in the past. Didnt like the CH yoke due to the all plastic construction and the somewhat jerky movement. I also didn't like the fact that the shaft extended out the back beyond the housing. I ended up modding it by removing the centering springs and using silicone lube spray on the shift.
The Saitek yoke had a much smoother motion and the mount was more robust. The addon switch panels, throttle quads and mounting options are a plus. Unfortunately the starter knob on the switch panel is not spring loaded either. It also had this quirk where FSX wouldnt pick it up until one of the switches was toggled.
I got rid of them them a while back but I always kept my trusty Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X
But how bad is the deadzone
The honeycomb also has the mounting for the saitek panels which is good for people.
Can you pls. suggest the beast seating or complete setup for a flight simulators?
MSFS2020 real problems with Ch Products... please advise.. pitch down wont assign and I cant control any small aircraft with side stick...doesnt make sense. Most of the buttons dont work anyway... good footage though bud...
I've heard a number of people having similar issues with any hardware. As the software is very new, there are bugs getting worked out. MS team blaming hardware, hardware manufactures blaming MS. 🤷
Make sure you assign the analog setting (FS2020 calls it something weird "....axis" IIRC. I'm not in front of the computer right now). Basically you have 3 settings. pitch down pitch up and pitchaxis (I think)... The 3rd option "pitchaxis" is what you use. Had exactly the same problem as you. Now it all works. You use ....axis for the foot controller too.
Yep, what @@pentachronic says is most likely the problem people are having. Assign to “pitch axis”, not “pitch up” or “pitch down”. Also, buttons need to be manually programmed.
The shaking table makes me aggressiv. What a cheap peace of.... You should use a solid one instead
and you sir should have stayed in school until you learned plain ENGLISH
There is a brace the makes the table rock solid. I had removed it temporarily to mount all three yokes for this video. Sorry
GOOD PRESENTATION, THANK YOU
ok I am thinking to try to be on a budget how bout.................LOGITECH G Saitek Pro Flight Throttle Quadrant times 2 for twin engine flight , LOGITECH G Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals and........LOGITECH Extreme 3D Pro Joystick
I just ordered the Honeycomb as it's featured-packed for the price. I really like the two different desk mounting systems and all of those useful switches. The next step up would be a Yoko Plus but man, over $1000 for a yoke is a bit much right now. For a stick I'll go with something by Virpil. Great review, thanks!
The Honeycomb and the Yoko have a very similar feel. You're already got the best at a fraction of the price.
Apparently Honeycomb have plans to release a ffb yoke for under $500 in the future
@@H15HH05H wait really?
Can I use a ch products yoke with my Logitech Throttle Quadrant
If you have a stand alone Logitech throttle with a USB connection, then you can use it. The throttle that comes with the Logitech yoke has a special connector that only works with it.
Meanwhile, watching in 2021... Honeycomb... out of stock. sold out. out of stock. sold out. Ad nausea. 😭
Can you use the Logitech throttle quadrant with the Honeycomb yoke?
Yes. This is how our FAA-approved simulator is set up. Check out www.gleimaviation.com/shop/cockpitbatd/
To confirm, you need to buy the Logitech Throttle with the USB cable that is sold separately from the Logitech yoke. The one that comes with the yoke has a special cable that only plugs into the yoke.
Hi Paul. Great video. Is the honeycomb and Logitech systems plug and play, or do you need 3rd party drivers? 5 yrs ago I bought several Logitech systems but ran into all kinds of driver problems and finally gave up and sold them all. I plan on getting the MS flight sim 2020 soon but the memory of my experience holds me back. Any info would be greatly appreciated, Thanks!!!
These are both plug an play.
Very nicely done. Love the clarity and to the point style. Not a dull moment. For some reason I did not catch the price of the Honeycomb system, but was able to look it up on your website. Again, thank you for a very informative and enjoyable to watch review.
Does the honey comb yoke come with a throttle?
No, it does not.
Is it possible to attach a "Logitech Quadrant Throttle" to the Honeycomb Yoke?
I have the Logitech Control Yoke System along with the throttle quadrant since December 2021.The Logitech Yoke does NOT work properly because of the many "dead zones" I am encountering. Therefore, I am prepared to invest in the Honeycomb Yoke and I am wondering whether I'm able to use the Logitech Throttle quadrant with it. Thanks. Glen.
Hahaaaaa you do the same thing I do... I see those little labels on the buttons. I have a label maker, it's great :-) Though I had the T16000M stick... I've upgraded to the honeycomb yoke, not enough buttons to need to label.
I have the Honeycomb... it has screw holes on the top that accept the Logitech/Saitek panels as well. I have the MultiPanel mounted right now.
@@mercster I presume that means it also accepts the RealSimGear as well then? If they are compatible with Logitech/Saitek?
@@bw6588 No problem!
mercster A label maker is game changer!
Can you use any of them on Xbox ? 😅
Nope sorry, but I've heard that this Thrustmaster HOTAS works www.thrustmaster.com/node/7787
The Yoko and the Brunner are both better than the honeycomb... I mean dont get me wrong the honeycomb is amazing for the price but a better description might be "Best value premium yoke".. instead of "Best Sim yoke ever".... I know, i know.. im that guy hahaha great video though
does the yoko produce high pitched scream-like sounds?
The Logitech/Saltek yokes are udder crap. Had two fail on me. One died inside of a week and the other was dead on arrival. After that I ended up getting the Honeycomb Alpha yoke and it was a major improvement in both quality and function. Never ever going back to Logitech again. They are the absolute worst for flight sim hardware. The most I may get is the autopilot panel because nobody else makes one.
Forgot to talk about the huge unremovable dead zone on the Logitech which makes it basically unusable.
unfortunately Honeycomb didn’t add the threaded inserts to their yoke, the clamp take up a lot of space under your table, so make sure there is room for your legs.
The threaded inserts at the top are technically meant to attach Logitech accessories, not mount the yoke. However, the clamps that go under the yoke work great. There is plenty of room under the table for your legs.
OK. First off, the Honeycomb is a good yoke, far better than the Saitek but it has flaws. I even tried to get some reaction from Honeycomb to my issue but no reply was forthcoming, nada. That's not very polite so I set out to find my own solution. The issue is that the pitch control, during fine movements in the flare, is slightly jerky, or sticky but definitely not smooth. This is a real shame because they already have the solution partially licked by using linear bearings on the double rail guide mechanism under the hood. They strangely proceed to use a nylon bush to guide the yokes spindle and I discovered that this is where the stickiness comes from. As an engineer, and always trying to improve a product already on the market, I dismantled the yoke and removed the spindle boss that the shaft of the yoke runs through. I removed the nylon bush and replaced it with a linear bearing after a little turning and reworking and it has transformed the yoke. No more jerky, sticky resistance to contend with. These linear bearings are SO cheap, under £10 for 12 number, linear bearings !! They out perform the nylon bush by miles. I fly a real world GA aeroplane and don't expect a jerky action and now my Honeycomb yoke copies the feel more accurately. I would urge Honeycomb to make this improvement in manufacture. It will not be an expensive thing to do. I'd be quite happy to convert the yokes of anyone interested in making this undoubted improvement to their simulator experience. I'd also be happy to talk to Honeycomb as well, if they are interested in improving their product.
I am new to sim and was looking for yoke, you did a great job explaining. Thank you, subscribed!
Good info, I might add that trying to land a plane with the two cheaper yokes is really hard as the shaft sticks and then moves. This makes your plane jump up and down. I even tried the modification for the Logitech yoke where they take the springs out and use rubber bands. Still I had to bite the bullet and buy the honeycomb. More bucks but worth it.
ch is good value for money way cheap but get the job done...have it for 12 years..dont spend money boys...
Is your center screen a touchscreen monitor? I just completed a new PC build for MSFS2020 and considered a smaller touch screen for "touching buttons" in the cockpit but was not sure if it will work like i want it to. My graphics card will support 4 monitors (and i have 3). Right now i was waiting to see if the game will support. Thanks!
Yes, it is a touchscreen. We use proprietary software on our system to power it, but there are some 3rd party apps that can interface with the major sim software titles.
@@GleimAviation thank you. I will be looking into this. I'm thinking with a G1000 its much more intuitive on a touch screen and i like that idea.
Hello I bought a logitech yoke then idk but in xplane-11 the yoke doesn't want to want to work but the throttle work can someone help me pls
Can you use the Logitech throttle quadrant with the Honeycomb Alpha yoke?
Hi Paul I got a Logitech Yoke and throttles that comes in the packeds and no my Yoke want stay in the senter when I fly the X Plane 11 so I can not letgo of the Yoke .I do not know what is wrong when I fly VOR
I note that he gave prices for everything EXCEPT the Honeycomb yoke. I suppose that he didn’t want to scare people away with how expensive it really is...
Oops! It's $249.99, definitely not expensive as the quality and features make it worth many time more than that.
@@GleimAviation I’m glad it’s affordable somewhere, when I looked the other day it was listing for $449.
@@raginidjit457 Beware the scalpers! Stock has been limited lately, but generally it is $249.99. We'll have them available shortly...
I've had my CH Yoke and pedals for over 15 years now (wasn't entry level back then, was the only yoke you could get). It's still going strong, but for MSFS 2020 I had to assign all the switches and axis myself. Looking to get the Honeycomb.
You will be AMAZED at the difference and will wonder how you ever got by without the Honeycomb!
I have the flight sim yoke and ch pro pedals as well and it works great. However i agree it took me a lot of time to configure manually in fs2020. I don’t understand why ch product didn’t agree with microsoft to have the auto assignement like they did with the xbox controller and logitech and saitek products. It took me one hour i think to configure to understand and set correctly the yoke pedal and trackir5
GleimAviation my ch product yoke and pro pedals and trackir5 works perfectly and it is very precise. I have no issue with throttle propeller and mixture. I have the full set for just the price of the honeycomb. My yoke is super stable on my desk it does not move at all as a contrary of what we see in the video.
I have a CH yoke that I have had for a few years. I think it works very good and I keep the shaft lubricated with white lithium grease. Still going strong. I also have CH rudder pedals and they are going strong as well.
steven 182 what is white lithium grease? How do you do it?
If i wanted to get the honeycomb yoke, but also get the logitech instruments, will they work together, and if so is there a way to mount the instruments to the yoke? or do you a recommendation for how mount those instruments to a desk without buying their expensive panel?
Hi Christopher, the instruments will work with the Honeycomb Alpha yoke. You'll probably need to make sure you have a powered USB hub to connect them all depending on how many you use. The Alpha yoke also has the same bolt pattern on top to accept the Logitech instruments. The instruments have a frame that you can use as a template to drill holes to a desk and mount with screws. Otherwise you could create your own mounting tray that clamps to a desk.
"with the mouse, you pull back to go up, push forward to go down..."
Realistic setup?
I don't think many planes have 3 yokes and a stick in the cockpit...
Rediculous prices on anything but the Saitek for a piece of plastic. Get reasonable
What is the name of the virtual cockpit he refers to?
This is the Gleim Virtual Cockpit. Check it out at Gleimaviation.com/simulation
@@GleimAviation Greatly appreciated ....
A little mineral oil would probably help out that yoke that is kind of sticky without risking any damage to internal electrical components.
dielectric grease
Thanks for the info, very helpful
Do the logitech throttle quadrant is compatible with the Honeycomb yoke?
Do they make throttle controls with push/pull functionality like Cessna aircraft I'd likely take my training in? Hoping to get as close as I can to help get familiar with the controls.
There are no consumer grade products currently produced in what's known as the vernier style. However, the lever style works similarly and is easily adaptable to any type of aircraft.
Perfect video, thanks! I was originally looking at the Logitech G Pro but seen a comment saying it didn't have the full range of motion but the Honeycomb did, and this video cleared that up very well for me. Thanks for keeping me from wasting money on Logitech G Pro and THEN turning around for a Honeycomb later on. Much appreciated, thanks are beyond words. Thanks, again.
So glad we could help!
Thx Paul re the Thrustmaster yoke would you say it fine for GA aircraft?
Everything sold out. Everywhere. What a shit. (No joke !)
Hi Awesome vid . what sir\e screen are you using as am trying to put everything onto one instead of two touch screens
I’ve had my Saitek yoke for years now and I’m finally ready to upgrade to the Honeycomb. I need that 90 degree motion!! Great video
Following your excellent presentation for which I thank you, I am interested now in the Honeycomb Alpha Yoke, is it possible to connect a Logitech G Flight Control Quadrant ?
Thank you in advance for your help which will be appreciated.
If you reach out to us at support@gleim.com we can see what we can do for you!
Something you mentioned on the cheapy yoke was that it doesn't bounce back to the same position pitch wise. You didn't mention it at all on the other 2 and it looked like when you were testing the honeycomb it had the same problem. Can anyone who has the honeycomb or logitech comment on whether or not the pitch springs work good in returning it to the 0 position?
I can confirm that the Honeycomb does return to the 0 position. It is the only one built "solid" and the only one that even could become part of an FAA-Approved system.
@@GleimAviation How about the logitech? I watched another video from Michael Brown and he says the pitch axis is kind of stuttery. Does it return to the 0 position and could the stutter be something you could potentially throw some grease onto the shaft to help remedy that?
@@Hockeyguy8541 The Logitech SOMETIMES has that issue. Some grease could help, but the reality is that the pilot is going to intentionally move the yoke where they want it to go. The CH is that only one that really becomes sticky to the point that it is a nuisance
@@GleimAviation Yeah I know what you mean. My grandpa had me flying his bonanza when I was 6 or 7 and had me using flight sims for years after that and he bought me the CH which I used for years. It's a very cheaply made yoke that I honestly can't recommend.
@@GleimAviation Honestly I've had more fun with the logitech joystick you showed in this video than i ever had with that yoke. That joystick is what I'm currently using for MSFS2020.
Hi! I have the CH Yoke and just bought the Saitek Quadrant. How Iconnect them to work togheter? Thanks
Saitek isn't in business, and hasn't been for several years. Do you mean the Logitech Throttle Quadrant? It should have a USB connection, just plug it into your PC.
Great video! I'm a subscriber. Thank you!
Great video. Can you do a similar one on rudder pedals?
Great suggestion. Stay tuned...
Appreciate the way you presented. Very helpful in understanding.
You have to change the pitch bungee on t he Honeycomb yoke just like you have to mod the Logitech yoke.
We have not found a need to make any internal modifications to the Honeycomb yoke. This yoke has a smooth operation that comes close to many real aircraft.
It's a shame the mounting surface you have the yokes mounted to is so, unstable. Lot's of wiggle it appears when you were moving the yokes.
Hi Ken, The mounting base has a bracket that keeps everything nice and tight, but I had to remove it temporarily to mount all 3 yokes at the same time.
@@GleimAviation Ah! Okay, thanks for the quick reply. I'm currently "flying" with the APEM (CH Products) Yoke, Throttle Quadrant and ProPedals. I've been one of their hardware/software beta testers for years. I was the only hardware tester for the Throttle Quadrant.
Thank you! Wonderfull briefing. I am planing to setup my flight simulator and I was wondering which one is the best.
Check out the Gleim Virtual Cockpit, or the FAA-approved BATD version. www.gleimaviation.com/simulation/
that honeycomb wire is going to get stressed at the joint and break.
That honeycomb sure is sweet, a cool $550 on amazon. The logitech stick would be a nice starter for me, wish I could find it close to the $50. Sells on Amazon for closer to $100. Might have to do find it the old fashion way and check the stores.
Keep your eyes peeled on eBay. I just found the Honeycomb about 5 hours ago for $260, it’s in perfect shape and even came with the box. Tracking says it’ll arrive on Thursday. You literally can’t find it anywhere in stock, except Amazon and eBay for usually double the price.
@@Tyler-SHM interesting, ill keep a look out. Thanks!
Everyone is out of stock right now. We'll have it back in a few weeks and it will be $249.99. www.gleimaviation.com/shop/yoke_honeycomb/
@@GleimAviation I think I'm just going to pick up the Logitech flight stick from you guys. I'm super entry level and ya'll have it for 1/2 the price of amazon.
@@BaltimoreActual Unfortunately, it is also backordered. If you call us at 800-874-5346, ext 471, we can get an order in for you, and you won't pay until it ships. I'm expecting more in later this week or next.
Hello, great video! I am new to flight sim well I am an old gamer but I always found the flight sim games very hard to learn but now with FS 2020 it looks that Ms is adding a lot more aid for people like me. The question I have is If I just buy the Honeycomb Yoke will I need the other items rudder, throttle etc to play the game or can I purchase at a later date if I enjoy the experience. Thanks
If you're starting off, go with the yoke. You can buy other things as you progress.
What’s the monitor stand you’re using for the triple setup?
It's our proprietary stand, the Gleim Virtual Cockpit. You can get it here: www.gleimaviation.com/shop/virtual-cockpit/
What throttle should I get with the honeycomb??
this feels like it was filmed in 2005
Does the Honeycomb have USB plug ins for optional items? Can i plug in my logitech foot rudders into it, or the logitech throttle?
The Honeycomb yoke does not have a built in USB hub.
@@GleimAviation Thanks for the reply, i can never get a picture of the back to see.
Very informative
All the best Shaun of NYC 🗽🗽
Tried them all, modified them all. All crap compared to Yoko+, it's worth the money if you're serious about simming. Or Brunner.
The CH is the best between these 3 though.
how or the G1000's displayed in the centre monitor?
It's part of a proprietary system. Subscribe and look for an announcement very soon.
I have a Saitek Cessna yoke which has a full 180 degree turn l/r . Such a shame they discontinued as it is far superior to the Logitech. Hardly use it as it so inconvenient attached to the desk.
I had to go back a check, how sad am I?
Hi, is this Logitech metal shaft smooth or somewhat rough to the touch?
It has a smooth finish.
I have owned the CH yoke for several years. The concave shaped grabbers which are supposed to keep the yoke securely attached to the desk are poorly designed i.m.o...I had to attach a length of half round dowel to the underside of my desk... It does the job of keeping the Yoke secured to the desk!
Sounds like you have a nice solution with the dowel.
That rubberised coating on products is a time bomb. After a few years it suddenly self destructs and goes sticky. So many products have used it; it feels great when new but once it's gone you really do have to scrape it all off which isn't an easy task. Just a warning ... I've had all sorts of things degrade over the last few years.
suggestions should i get saitek yoke or T16000 joystick ( for a starter)
Depends on what type of aircraft you want to simulate. Use Honeycomb for aircraft with a yoke, or use the T16000 for aircraft with a stick.
Old post, but I would start with a yoke. Since most aircraft use yokes, this might give you a better feel for flying.
I've had a CH yoke for 21 years. Dusted it off and tries it out. It's absolutely PERFECT ! I'm super happy. Was going to buy the thrustmaster boeing yoke. But forget that ! Sticking with my trusty CH yoke. U will buy 2 Logitech throttles though. Forget the honeycomb throttles. They break. Read about it in forums. And Reddit.
Hi, forgot, can you tell me how to set up a duel throttle quadrant? I use FS 2020 and fly the Beech Baron 58 and would like to set up duel quadrant for this aircraft. Any help would be greatly appreciated with this.
My Ch flight sim yoke is very stable on my desk and the throttle position is not an issue, i disagree with the reviewer. The control is very precise. i recommend the Ch product with the pro pedals that are very good as well and include the brake left and right. The only thing is you have to assign the function and axis youself in flight simulator 2020. It is plug and play but microsoft does not have the ch product in their compatibility list. I spent one hour to set the function correctly. I hope they will add it in the future for future ch product owners. But after that it works really great and the pedal are the best. The trackir5 also was plug and play but i had to restart the app to allow the assignment of the camera. Everything works perfectly i also called ch product to ask if it would work on xbox. They said they don’t support xbox but they said it is plug snd play so there is good chance it will work as well. The trackir won’t work on xbox because you need the software to configure the track clip pro. I don’t see that coming to xbox. However it is very important to use flight simulator in realistic condition or you need a vr headset but there is no vr headset for xbox series X for now. I hope one day microsoft will work with trackir5 to bring it to xbox. ( it is usb but need the configuration application) by the way tou won’t believe but i found the flight sim yoke at 6$ in a shop that sell used small price stuff. It is still a 180$can yoke today. I bought the pedal 231$can but i found then at 60$ on kijiji. But too late i already ordered them. These are very good my sets cost me Only 237$CAN
excellent video. Have learned a lot.
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I'm bummed you didn't mention the price of the honeycomb (unless I missed it). It is pricier than the others. I just purchased (waiting for delivery) the Logitech Pro. But i would spend the extra for the Honeycomb (and will do so when I'm done actually building my simulator - literally converting a closet into a flight sim). But people should know that Honeycomb is only $250. Sounds like a lot, but when you look at what you get compared with others, it's absolutely worth it.
Can i use the ch yoke for xbox to play microsoft flight simulator 2020?
We believe the Honeycomb controls are Microsoft approved. You would need to check with CH.