General's kimberly pencils and Staedtler pencils barely have any shine to them, while Derwent pencils have a ton of shine. I'd recommend getting Kimberlys or Staedtlers bacause they have more clay, and therefore less shine :)
i've never put so much thought into this but you covered a lot and i've learned a lot. i can't wait until my next drawing to apply myself with what i leaned on this video. thanks for the upload.
IF YOUR SKETCHING OR WANT YOUR DESING TO HAVE A SHINE GRAPHITE IS A GO, IF YOU WANT A MATTE LOOK FOR YOUR DESIGN GO FOR CHARCOAL, BOTH HAVE THEIR UP AND DOWN, 1 ITS HARDER TO FILL DARKER SPACE, AND THE OTHER APART FROM BEING MESSY ITS REALLY DARK AND HARDER TO ERASE. THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO I LEARN ALOT; BOTH GREAT.
Nice comparison. Thanks for sharing your experience. I've recently learned that when you use a sharp point to slowly and gently creep up on the value over several layers with pencil, you can get quite dark without shine. If you press hard and try to get the value in 1 or two passes and using an inappropriate hardness, yeah, it's going to shine like hell. In atelier type schools where they start off with bargue pencil drawings, you can spend 10 minutes on 1 cm2 just passing over it layering on the graphite to get the right value. It's time consuming, but it's also super controlled. Charcoal is great for getting those deeper darks quickly. But with H charcoal, you can be quite controlled in the lights as well, just use a really sharp point and ever so gently shade it. Also, if you switch between layers in a narrow X type angle( so one layer like this //////// and the next \\\\\\), it'll be much smoother than a + shape( one layer like this |||||| and the next ===)alternation. Hope this helps!
Wrong Turn don’t go any softer than 2B and use a properly pored paper like fabriano accademia 200+ something. Also don’t go over passages of tone with dull hard tips
Wrong Turn th-cam.com/video/j3wFWRqbi4w/w-d-xo.html here’s a vid I did (in Dutch) for a client with mental disability, but it shows the proper way of sharpening and applying.
@@ksuhuh I don't. It still has some shine to it. It has really turned me off. The only thing that takes away the shine is fixative. But I don't like using it because it changes the values a little bit.
My take. Electric erasers actually scorch or scar the paper and ruin the tooth of the paper. I can see the marks after using an electric eraser on the paper.
The newish Mars Lumi Black pencils supposedly completely eliminate the shine issues in darker grads of graphite, similarly to carbon pencils but with a better transition between the two. I'll be trying them out. I love charcoal generally but I really dislike it for hair...it's just not sharp enough. Someone else mentioned a Matt Clead Acrylic coat to take away the shine but I'm not convinced that would help with keeping the tonal values. I'd have to try it but I'm admittedly reluctant to potentially ruin a graphite piece...
Hi Kirsty, I'm a little confused about when to use if ever, the vine and willow charcoal vrs the compressed pencil charcoals. I'm used to using graphite. Can i get by just using the charcoal pencils in difference grades and using them for shading just as i have done with graphite? The thought of using uncompressed stick kind of scares me because of lack of control. Can you give some specifics of when the uncompressed sticks would come in handy?
I know this is so long ago, but I learned from another video (I forgot the title) compressed pencils is darker and harder to erase than willow/vine charcoal, I think. Use the willow vine when you start your drawing and when you lay down the light and dark parts. Then use the compressed pencil charcoals for details and for much darker and smaller parts. I love using vine charcoal more, it gives me more freedom :D
I’ve been watching art videos and there was this man with the same accent. I also noticed that both said “hach” which is unlike what North Americans’ (Not an accent to me) accent we say “ach”.
Hi, I'm from Brazil! I see your videos and I like so much. Congratulations May you make tutorial who use graphite an charcoal together? Congratulations again for tutorials
draftsmen do it with sharp knives/ razor blades for pencils and sand paper for charcoal sticks (little reason to use charcoal pens at all). I prefer sand paper even for graphite using technical pens with leads (graphite ffs!) of multiple hardness and diameter (have a look for Faber Castell for example [0.35, 0.5, 0.7, 2.0 and 3.5 mm and 5H to 6B {for reasons simple to imagine high B numbers only in wide diameters, but you can even sand paper down 0.35 further and make 3.5 as sharp as well}]). Charcoal, once you've learned how to use it (or if money is not a concern do it right away) try Nitram sticks.
I use both mediums. I would say learn with graphite, it's cleaner, easier to erase mistakes and when you are competent with graphite and understanding values it makes learning to use charcoal easier. Also i would say go from graphite to carbon pencils then onto charcoal. Carbon pencils are a good Inbetween, they have qualities of both graphite and charcoal.
What are you asking about? Both are (mainly) carbon as well as diamonds are (well, they tend to be pretty pure carbon...) for example. Carbon is just the chemical element C. charcoal and graphite are two of the common lattice structures both with the nice property to shear of layers in easy and predictable ways making them well suited for drawing. Carbon fibre for example much less so, diamonds... You are (with the exception of fluids [being a bag holding water mainly) mostly carbon as well. That is why your bones make ivory black when being heat treated... Nice stuff those C-atoms bonding to all kinds of stuff in all kinds of ways and so forth. I hate it when in English you are talking about carbon footprint instead of CO_2 equivalent footprint but please do not carry this into arts, too.
I dont like the shine i want to get more darker tone as I put more pressure using graphite to darker down the tone it gives me that shine and I dont want that
you can use matte fixatives on finished graphite work. It completely removes the shine.
I will try this, thx
General's kimberly pencils and Staedtler pencils barely have any shine to them, while Derwent pencils have a ton of shine. I'd recommend getting Kimberlys or Staedtlers bacause they have more clay, and therefore less shine :)
I kept thinking your profile pic was a piece and kept trying to run it off
Thank you.
i've never put so much thought into this but you covered a lot and i've learned a lot. i can't wait until my next drawing to apply myself with what i leaned on this video. thanks for the upload.
IF YOUR SKETCHING OR WANT YOUR DESING TO HAVE A SHINE GRAPHITE IS A GO, IF YOU WANT A MATTE LOOK FOR YOUR DESIGN GO FOR CHARCOAL, BOTH HAVE THEIR UP AND DOWN, 1 ITS HARDER TO FILL DARKER SPACE, AND THE OTHER APART FROM BEING MESSY ITS REALLY DARK AND HARDER TO ERASE. THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO I LEARN ALOT; BOTH GREAT.
Nice comparison. Thanks for sharing your experience. I've recently learned that when you use a sharp point to slowly and gently creep up on the value over several layers with pencil, you can get quite dark without shine. If you press hard and try to get the value in 1 or two passes and using an inappropriate hardness, yeah, it's going to shine like hell. In atelier type schools where they start off with bargue pencil drawings, you can spend 10 minutes on 1 cm2 just passing over it layering on the graphite to get the right value. It's time consuming, but it's also super controlled. Charcoal is great for getting those deeper darks quickly. But with H charcoal, you can be quite controlled in the lights as well, just use a really sharp point and ever so gently shade it. Also, if you switch between layers in a narrow X type angle( so one layer like this //////// and the next \\\\\\), it'll be much smoother than a + shape( one layer like this |||||| and the next ===)alternation.
Hope this helps!
This comment is very useful. Thank you!
Even with the layering, I still find the graphite to be o shiny of my liking and not as deep, rich and dark as charcoal.
Wrong Turn don’t go any softer than 2B and use a properly pored paper like fabriano accademia 200+ something. Also don’t go over passages of tone with dull hard tips
Wrong Turn th-cam.com/video/j3wFWRqbi4w/w-d-xo.html here’s a vid I did (in Dutch) for a client with mental disability, but it shows the proper way of sharpening and applying.
@@ksuhuh I don't. It still has some shine to it. It has really turned me off. The only thing that takes away the shine is fixative. But I don't like using it because it changes the values a little bit.
Thank you, this was really helpful.
My take. Electric erasers actually scorch or scar the paper and ruin the tooth of the paper. I can see the marks after using an electric eraser on the paper.
I love that grainy textured look on the blended charcole
The newish Mars Lumi Black pencils supposedly completely eliminate the shine issues in darker grads of graphite, similarly to carbon pencils but with a better transition between the two. I'll be trying them out. I love charcoal generally but I really dislike it for hair...it's just not sharp enough.
Someone else mentioned a Matt Clead Acrylic coat to take away the shine but I'm not convinced that would help with keeping the tonal values. I'd have to try it but I'm admittedly reluctant to potentially ruin a graphite piece...
Awesome tutorial, thanks!
First, I like your accent, and voice too. Then I want to say that this video was very useful to me. Thanks. Saludos desde Ecuador.
This helped me immensely! Thank you so much!
Thank you so much. I recently bought a sketching set and it comes from charcoal but i don't understand what it is for.
Hi Kirsty, I'm a little confused about when to use if ever, the vine and willow charcoal vrs the compressed pencil charcoals. I'm used to using graphite. Can i get by just using the charcoal pencils in difference grades and using them for shading just as i have done with graphite? The thought of using uncompressed stick kind of scares me because of lack of control. Can you give some specifics of when the uncompressed sticks would come in handy?
I know this is so long ago, but I learned from another video (I forgot the title) compressed pencils is darker and harder to erase than willow/vine charcoal, I think. Use the willow vine when you start your drawing and when you lay down the light and dark parts. Then use the compressed pencil charcoals for details and for much darker and smaller parts. I love using vine charcoal more, it gives me more freedom :D
Thank you very much really appreciate you posting
I’ve been watching art videos and there was this man with the same accent. I also noticed that both said “hach” which is unlike what North Americans’ (Not an accent to me) accent we say “ach”.
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Hi, I'm from Brazil!
I see your videos and I like so much. Congratulations
May you make tutorial who use graphite an charcoal together?
Congratulations again for tutorials
I never understood why some people think graphite and charcoal are comparable media.
great tutorial, so much info
Thanks for the compare.
RIX XD
so you dont got to use charcoal spray to make it stay on ? what would be the difference if i diduse it ?
Great turtorial!
thank you :)
which is better to sketch portraits?
5:43 WHAT IS THE ERASER,S NAME?
It is the Derwent electric eraser, she has a link to it in this videos description. Hope this is helpful!
Can u do more graphite tutorial and how to use them, like how u do with color pencils? Thank u.
Thanks madam..😍
Very helpful
What is the exact type of paper you are using please?
Hi! I was just wondering if its possible to disguise the charcoal pencil as a black colour pencil? Thanks.
Excelent! Very useful analisis :) Thank you for share it ;D
Thank you for taking the time to show people how to start drawing. I liked your video.
thank you do much 😻
How to sharpen them? Every time i did, led breaks
draftsmen do it with sharp knives/ razor blades for pencils and sand paper for charcoal sticks (little reason to use charcoal pens at all). I prefer sand paper even for graphite using technical pens with leads (graphite ffs!) of multiple hardness and diameter (have a look for Faber Castell for example [0.35, 0.5, 0.7, 2.0 and 3.5 mm and 5H to 6B {for reasons simple to imagine high B numbers only in wide diameters, but you can even sand paper down 0.35 further and make 3.5 as sharp as well}]). Charcoal, once you've learned how to use it (or if money is not a concern do it right away) try Nitram sticks.
What brushes did u use for blending? I’m looking for the good one for charcol drawing. Thanks in advance 🙏🏼
Hey you can use any fluffy brush
The shiness in the Charcol shines in his ausence
Fantastic video, thank you
Try Staedtler graphite pencils. No shine plus much darker than Derwent.
P3 Gaming I prefer Derwent. Honestly my favourite is Faber Castell though.
Faber Castel is my favorite, but I also like using the sticks and vines of charcoal
The Bamboo Crew Same, Derwent has better charcoal though.
what are best for beginners ? charcoal or graphite?
I use both mediums. I would say learn with graphite, it's cleaner, easier to erase mistakes and when you are competent with graphite and understanding values it makes learning to use charcoal easier. Also i would say go from graphite to carbon pencils then onto charcoal. Carbon pencils are a good Inbetween, they have qualities of both graphite and charcoal.
tnnx i'll take note of it :)
Thanks again excellent
what about carbon?
What are you asking about? Both are (mainly) carbon as well as diamonds are (well, they tend to be pretty pure carbon...) for example. Carbon is just the chemical element C. charcoal and graphite are two of the common lattice structures both with the nice property to shear of layers in easy and predictable ways making them well suited for drawing. Carbon fibre for example much less so, diamonds... You are (with the exception of fluids [being a bag holding water mainly) mostly carbon as well. That is why your bones make ivory black when being heat treated... Nice stuff those C-atoms bonding to all kinds of stuff in all kinds of ways and so forth.
I hate it when in English you are talking about carbon footprint instead of CO_2 equivalent footprint but please do not carry this into arts, too.
lol they are talking about carbon pencils lmao
Erik Itter wouldn’t carbon footprint include both CO2 and CO?
@@erikitter6773 He's talking about "Carbon" pencils like Lyra Carbon or Carbotello, they're like oil based charcoal. A bit similar to conté
Great video
i like charcoal !
True
grade of the graphite???
9B
Thanks.
People are very biased against Graphite, even though it is a far superior medium.
Why is it superior?
I dont like the shine i want to get more darker tone as I put more pressure using graphite to darker down the tone it gives me that shine and I dont want that
Just use a softer graphite, mitsubishi hi uni graphite pencils are good
The Best!!!
nice
It's a matter of opinion!!!!
Heitch B??????? DA HECK?!!!
She's probably Australian :)
@@mateusalves3022 its not hard to say a ch insted of heitch
@@mateusalves3022 She's UK :)
I say Haytch, too LOL
We're here for the art. Not for Language expert wannabe.
@@Saul_Goodman_Criminal_Lawyer it's all about aet right?
Anyone in art rn?
I love u🤤 ..your so smart😍
"I hate sine and that is why I will never use graphite" - I can totally relate.
I also hate shine lol. Good video.
I only wanna use charcole pencils. No graphite pencils.
HB, NOT haytch B.
T'as qu'à prendre un graphite 8B et ça va être hyper noir..
Your english is different, are you American or not?
Tentando Um Cover she is clearly Australian
Nope... She's not Australian... She is from England
Not everyone from England speaks like the royal family and James Bond.