My sister had cancer and prayer groups in California, Michigan and New York were asked to pray for my sister's healing from the disease. My mother was the organizer of all these prayer groups. She is a fundamentalist Christian in the most classic way. My sister died an excruciating death two years ago. What happened to God's promise? It is so easy to see that prayer is no more useful to the sick than rolling dice. Thank you for the reality check!
kolonial72: Absolutely, horses and horseshoes go together; they have both ceased to be since automobile was invented. Today, with the world the way it is headed, we pray: Come Lord Jesus!
When my middle son was a toddler he was very ill indeed with encephalitis, losing all coordination, foaming at the mouth and then lapsing into a coma, we were told his chances of survival were not good and that if he did survive he could well be brain damaged. Did I pray, I am atheist so of course I didn't. He did survive and is now a wonderful father of two children. If I had been a believer and had prayed there is no doubt whatsoever that I would be thanking "god" for answering my prayer. I rest my case.
+FoamKittyGamer Absolutely, whatever the outcome, they attempt mental and verbal gymnastics in futile attempts to justify their crazy. pointless, non-evidential fantasy!
+Nik Kingman Science club, you've no authority there if you prefer to be live in talking animals lol. You'd be laughed out of it if there was such a thing and you attempted to gate crash it😊
+Nik Kingman Lets get this right, you believe in talking animals and sky dictators yet you think claim to follow science, Wow that's as twisted piece of "thinking" I've ever heard. Make your outlandish and childish claims for all you're worth if it makes your little head happy.
With What attitude did you ask God to reveal himself? He likely will not respond to a cynical, skeptical, demanding kind of request for him to be revealed. It is a sincere, repented heart that God will respond to, a person that is given over to making him Lord of their life as he does in fact reveal himself. It was with that heart that I approached him 18 years ago friend, and he did an incredible Miracle immediately to deliver me from alcohol addiction and depression. He has done many other tremendous Miracles, things that absolutely cannot be explained in the natural, in the proceeding 18 years. God is no respecter of persons, that is, he does not esteem anybody higher than another. Trust me, if he revealed himself to me, he will reveal himself to you too, if you come to him humbly. God bless.
John Boehmer Give yourself some credit. God didn’t deliver u from addiction YOU did. Your the one that found a way. And in my experience it’s not God that helps in times like those it’s other people with good hearts. If you had to use God as a reason to quit or pretend you had someone to talk to whatever some people use their kids as a reason or health or failing marriage. The point is you made the decision to quit and stuck with it..no one or nothing else could have changed your own mind but yourself.
Gleanerman by the way I asked too after being involved in church since birth and having children of my own for my studies to lead me back to God as all the evidence lead away that if hell was real I could save my children. You think the direction turned? I have no fear of death and If I have to face god my eternal torture and my children’s is on his hands
Hi James, I want you to understand exactly how this happened, and you will understand why I give Jesus the credit. All I did was come to him sincerely asking him to come into my life to be Lord, and repented of my sin. I had no preconceived notion concerning my alcoholism whatsoever. I did not know that God still does miracles, I thought that was a thing from the long gone past. I did not know at that time that my alcoholism would send me to hell. What happened in that very moment in time is that the addiction, the desire for the alcohol was completely taken away. Please understand, he did not simply give me the strength to overcome the addiction... He did all the work. One moment, as was the case my entire adult life, I absolutely had to have my beer, I then asked Jesus in, and the next minute I have no desire for it. I didn't even know what Jesus had done until the next day when I went to do my usual drinking, and it was then that I realized something happened. I simply didn't want it! It was the weirdest, most amazing thing! No friend, trust me, if the same thing happened to you that happened to me, you would know that it was God that set you free from this also. Completely unnatural what happened. The depression that went right with the alcoholism was also taken away. Alcoholics Anonymous will tell you once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. That is, you can get free from drinking, but you're always going to have to deal with the addiction, the desire. the Bible says, whom the Son sets free is free indeed! That has been the one proven to be true in the 18 years since, as I have continued to have absolutely zero desire for alcohol. No, I get no credit in this, I didn't have to do anything. God bless you sir, have a good day.
@John Boehmer I wonder if you read and acknowledged what @James Bromley just wrote. It’s like your religions block you from thinking outside of them. YOU DID!! you yourself overcame the addiction without your delusional God. How? Because you became aware it’s an addiction at that moment and your will at that moment started working towards to stopping it. Congratulations!! You beat the addiction! You did the actions! People replace certain activities with their addictions to beat them. Maybe you used God/prayer but that doesn’t prove he exists, because you did all the action. He didn’t magically pull away those bottles. It was your will not to touch. Young kids usually have emotional experiences with imaginary friends, that doesn’t prove they exist. So yeah, you did!!
I remember when I was a very religious kid, I prayed to god to help get a girlfriend or to help my brother do will in school and guess what....nothing happened!
- Lucky horseshoe ain't play dice. - Thou shall not test horseshoe. - This prayer is too trivial for the wondrous lucky horseshoe. - You didn't hold the lucky horseshoe right. - That prayer is too big for the horseshoe to make effect. - Lucky horseshoe intends for us to suffer.
Why does he need prayer. Sounds like a man made belief to me. Evolution of beliefs from making sacrifices and rituals to please gods to praying to please a god
@@mariodiblasio8058 I've been trying to investigate this concept of a relationship of God. I have some experiments in mind that I'm going to conduct to try and establish a relationship with God. Wish me luck. I am a genuine seeker and believe there is a God just not sure about some of the attributes of God or his promises. I am not sure if it's actually possible to have a relationship with God and what that would entail. Some answers given to me are "just read the word every day and contemplate god and that is a relationship with him". If that is true then I already have a relationship with god. I want however to know the personal god. Christian theology promises a PERSONAL relationship with God and that God has manifested himself in the flesh and can talk to us. I got some ideas on how to get this to happen and also some ideas about how to avoid getting duped by lower entities pretending to be God.
@@FringeWizard2 : Hi Fringe. Human history began when God created Adam and Eve . We all come after. We are all related. We are all brothers and sisters. Why wars? Why killings? ... SELF! Most of us live for self; self is on the throne in our heart. That's the lie of the devil.
What is the purpose of prayer? God knows my every thought right? He knows every hair on my head and he knows whether I’m happy or sad, he knows whether I’ve been good or bad. He knows what I’ll be thinking 10 years from now. He knows everything. My praying to him would be redundancy and simply telling him what he already knows. Praying for something outside my experience such as praying for a good outcome regarding others in the world who’ve experienced a tragedy like those who experienced the tsunami in 2004 would be tantamount to trying to change gods mind as he has a plan in place & everything happens for his reason. The very idea of needing to pray contradicts the concept of god.
+peach495 Read your bible more closely. If two christians agree on what god should do, he'll do it. If you believe god will give you something, he will give it. Period. No conditions. And its obviously wrong. So either the Bible is correct, OR you're correct.
Maybe the Bible applies to the time of Christ but not to today when it comes to all that Miracle stuff or prayers being answered. I don't know this is one of the things that just kept me guessing all the time and eventually I just couldn't take it anymore. Several years back I was in desperate times in my marriage and work-life and when things got worse and prayers went unanswered it kept me guessing and questioning, and it's a miserable way to live
Nixion Trial So if god knows everything I was going to do in my life, like become an Atheist. Then even before I was born he knew I was going to hell! So that makes him a piece of shit! If you know you're going to destroy something before you make it then why make it in the first place!
Nixion Trial How come you don't do what Jesus says? No Christian does! You need to give up all your possessions an money to the poor and go out and spread the word! If you're such a believer then prove it! All I see are rich preachers in big houses! All it is, is a business, and a damn good one at that!
Prayer does not work..can anyone prove me wrong. .ive prayed for many years for healing ,,deliverance, ,for third world countries to get food, ,for no one to ever suffer, for all evil to stop..etc etc etc. Still HELL on earth. .always will be..
It works. God answered all your prayers by not doing what you requested. You know God himself suffered and yet you ask God to end suffering? Well maybe that's already answered for all mortal beings will die and in dying no longer suffer. As for all evil being stopped, that too is probably already answered, in that one day the universe itself might die and with it evil shall be eliminated (or perhaps, the most manifest evil, aka nothingness / the total negation of God's work will prevail). As for third world countries getting food, absurd amounts of food is given to them all the time, so that prayer of yours is definitely answered. I pray all the time for God to let them all starve because I hate non-whites but God isn't on board with that unfortunately and does not kill them fast enough. As for healing, your body is constantly healing all the time, and likewise for everyone else who is alive. Healing happens constantly around the world always. As for deliverance, I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you want to be delivered out of the hands of your oppressors? Maybe it's already done. All the things you've prayed for probably are already done. Some of it you can't see because it's only been done further ahead on the timeline and other things you have asked for are and have definitely been happening.
I must disagree about the assessment that prayer has the exact same effect as a horseshoe. While it may be demonstrably true under MOST CIRCUMSTANCES, I'm pretty sure it can also be demonstrated that a horseshoe can protect a horse's foot much more effectively than a prayer can, and while an actual battle is probably neither a good time nor a good place to test the theory that "almost" counts in both horseshoes and hand grenades, throwing either at the oncoming enemy is likely to deter their advance more than throwing prayers at them. Granted though, the mental image of enemies in a battle stopping to pick up prayer tracts and read them before moving on is at least good for a laugh... I can just picture the conversation: --- L: What the heck are they throwing at us? P: looks like paper airplanes with something printed on them. L: Yeah, there's words on them. I wonder what they say. P: How about you pick one up and find out while I throw some of these horseshoes and hand grenades back their way. :) L: Sounds like a plan.
***** Now that I think of it, DarkMatter2525 could make a pretty hilarious video of it, I'm sure.... if he knew about it, had the time, and felt like it. So could NonStampCollector :)
In fact, there was a study on the efficacy of prayer and they had three groups of people who were ill. It was set up as such: one group was prayed for and knew it, one group was prayed for and didn't know, and the last group wasn't prayed for at all. Results showed that not only were there no differences between the healing processes of each group, it also showed that the people who knew they were prayed for where put under additional stress, and had further complications due to the expectations from people praying for them.
"When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the lord, in his wisdom, didn't work that way. So I stole one and asked him to forgive me" -E. Phillips Great Vid!
Even better, take 1,500 patients and split them in to 3 groups. Let the 3rd group be treated by medical science. Amazing, science will cure more than prayer or a lucky horseshoe....
You would get somewhat inconsistent products in the third group as you would tailor your treatment to the individual. You could treat them all indiscriminately with a banana bag of fluids, powdering their body with some of that fast acting coagulant powder, and giving them all antibiotics. Odds are still better, even without doctors or diagnosis you would still have waaaay fewer deaths in that third group.
Which is why some clinical trials are stopped--one of the treatments is so obviously inferior that it's cruel to the point of near-illegality and would be a definite ethics violation to let it go on.
+twombonu no, I don't claim to know that God doesn't exist. It can't be proven. I just really don't believe in him. Why don't you tell me why you claim to know that unicorns don't exist? Or the other gods that you probably don't believe in?
I enjoyed this video very much, GIIVideo. I think the direct and simple way you present your case must make sense to even the most faithful. Let's hope that those who are interested in ridding themselves of their religious belief will take this message to heart. Well done, sir.
My family is tight financially, but God put it in our hearts to donate money to feed those starving. We took that step of faith and donated 500$ online. Immediately after making the transaction we opened that day's mail. One of the letters was from a friend who we hadn't seen in 4 years, and inside was a check for 500$! We called her to thank her to which she replied, "I prayed to God about how to spend this extra money, and after praying I knew I had to send it to you, but I didn't know why"!!
I LOVE THIS VIDEO!!! It clearly states all of the points that I've been trying to prove to my Christian friend. But this video explains it in a much clearer way.
2:08 If prayer worked, you would only need to pray for something once. People pray for the same things every day because the prayers are never answered. "Faith" is merely an imaginative substitute for facts.
no, that's not how it works. If the surgery is successful then you thank God, and Jesus, but if something goes wrong during the surgery, then you sue the doctor, and hold him accountable.
Your blinded by the light of "common sence" if everything made sence why would we need faith not everything will have an answer the only answer is through god
Voice Of Truth No, common sense is not a good way of finding truth. The only way to really find truth is through the rigorous standards of science or rational, unbiased logic. I'd say that you are blinded by religious/magical thinking. There is no truth through that door my friend. Only years of unrewarded devotion.
+Paul TheSkeptic Im not blinded I know the truth after years of searching I know the truth I dont question it science has disproved itself constantly I dont believe half the stuff science says because of its reliabity on what "makes sence" and not whats true
Voice Of Truth You know the truth but you don't question it? One of my favorite poems is written by Stephen Crane. "Truth," said a traveller, "Is a rock, a mighty fortress; Often have I been to it, Even to its highest tower, From whence the world looks black." "Truth," said a traveller, "Is a breath, a wind, A shadow, a phantom; Long have I pursued it, But never have I touched The hem of its garment." And I believed the second traveller; For truth was to me A breath, a wind, A shadow, a phantom, And never had I touched The hem of its garment. If you have the truth and you don't question it, and someone else has the truth but he doesn't question it either but they're both different, how do we tell who has the truth? Science has never disproved itself. Science has improved itself. As science gathers more data, we continually get a better picture of what's happening. It's a bit like a jigsaw puzzle. We may never have the entire picture but as more and more pieces come together we begin to get an idea of what the big picture looks like. Science is not based what makes sense. As I've already explained, that's not a good way to get to the truth. It makes sense that boats should be made out of wood. It makes sense that the sun goes around the earth. Science is based on evidence. It's a system of gathering and interpreting data with as little bias as possible. That's why we have double blind studies. If the person gathering or interpreting the data doesn't know what the study is about, he or she won't be able to inject his or her bias.
+Paul TheSkeptic First of all science has disproved itself many times not to long ago it was widely accepted the earth was flat,secondly the apieces are coming together but theres dtill some big blanks that only god has the pieces to...
When I was a kid I wanted a new bicycle so I prayed to Jesus for it. I prayed and prayed, promised to be good and etc. but no bicycle appeared. So I stole a bike and asked God for forgiveness! (Just kidding!)
@@kiwithecannabis6922 then he should heal all of the cancer patients with entire Churches praying for them. He should heal all of the amputees. All of the refugees who came from war zones. He should heal all of the starving children. We don't give a damn about personal attributes God has "Miraculously" helped in. That's like saying God helped someone beat an alcohol addiction after they went to Rehab 😐 ... don't tell us about what God has done in YOUR life. Tell us about what the all fair and all powerful God has done for the Entire world and ALL his children. Not specific ones he likes. I mean ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
If you believe in predestination, Yahweh's Omniscience and the Divine Plan you cannot believe that praying to a Divine Planner will make any difference. Having realized the truth of that, I stopped praying, and life continued on as before.
"He already knows what you want, and decided that you shouldn't need it. So don't bother praying for cures or an answer, God is the one who gave you the cancer." Aurellio Voltair
Charles Stone Because you're taking what he says like it's true. He is just human, he isn't god, what he says isn't word of God. So what he says has no use in the argument.
Are you saying there is no truth in human communication? I'm confused. As a non believer, I would agree that god doesn't give people cancer because the likelihood of his existence is equal to that of any other mythical creature. So I guess we agree....what Voltaire said here is not true.
I used to believe as you did, but it kept coming back to this: Had I chosen Christianity because evidence showed it to be the true religion? When I finally admitted to myself that my choice of religion was simply a matter of conforming to society, and that I had passed by all other religions without bothering to study and learn about them, I had to admit that I did NOT know which if any religion is right, I just decided to accept the first religion fed to me by others who had done the same..
Puppydog Wheeler You have to believe that your prayer will be answered, and it has to be in line with God's will for him to say "Yes" to your prayer. So, either 3 things: 1. People don't believe their prayer will be answered. 2. They do believe, but it isn't God's will for it to be cured. 3. There is already a cure for cancer, but people let cancer stay around.
This whole video is horseshit. Prayers do have effect or else psychology is a bogus science. Does the man who created this video deny the legitimacy of psychology?
Praying is not just a superstition but an immoral act. If you believe that God exists, asking him to help you in a personal problem while thousands of innocent people die every day without any intervention of God, it's like you believe that your problem is more important than the lifes of those people.
Assuming: 1) God doesn't exist, thus no all-powerful being saves starving children in Africa. 2) God does exist, and he let the starving children suffer in Africa. In either case, we don't really need to believe in God because: 1) He is imaginary. 2) He is quite a malevolent existence which we as human species should despise and fear.
Whats wrong with praying for god to both help you AND those who are also suffering? I dont believe its selfish at all just because you ask god to give you something doesnt mean your taking anything away from someone else. they merely didnt ask for the help but we could ask god for them this is why churches pray for the sick and the lost as well they pray for people that are suffering people they dont even know because they know of this great power and if it helped them and their asking god for help through prayer god will also help them or whatever or whoever your praying too. Its not selfish at all to ask a higher power for help even tho others are suffering as well and they didnt do their part and ask. why take away one persons reward when the other whos suffering didnt bother to ask for the help in the first place? Your petition to god doesnt mean its above anyone elses it just means you had faith enough to ask for the help and others didnt it doesnt mean your petition is greater tham anyone elses.
Ma2ti great point, when I was still a bit religious what you're saying started to bother me, but if I told someone about it they would say that's just the devil trying to get me to not pray because he doesn't want me to have good things. And then I started thinking how retarded even that sounded and next thing you know I'm questioning everything why this and why that on and on and on and why would God let the devil do that to me because I'm trying to be good and follow Jesus. And why this and why that and eventually couldn't take anymore and had to get away from it so I could get the brainwashing crap out of my head it took a few years but I finally got rid of it
@@youtoo2233 , If it was really bothering you, why didn't you just start praying for other people?? This is why, how, people can slip away from God. Clearly they are not of him in the first place, to be able to think that way, and justify falling away because, as you're claiming, it's so immoral to pray for yourself when others are suffering, and then your solution is not to start praying for other people, but to quit God altogether... It's just so obvious, why can't you see it?
You know David Henry...I think that the inventors of the christian religion were very thoughtful to include "you shall not put the Lord your God to the test." That is exactly what I would say if I was a con man and I wanted to get someone to believe in something which is a lie.....that's right people...WHATEVER YOU DO....DON'T PUT IT TO THE TEST. You might find out that it is WRONG.
+Jack Sprat That is exactly what I would say if I was a con man? Do you know who said that quote? Jesus Con men usually wants something, what does Jesus want from you? money, fame or fortune? I don't think you can offer much to creator of the universe.
I think we are coming from two different points of view here. I see religion as something which is a man-made invention and has nothing to do with a creator of the universe. From that point of view, the rulers of a given society want an easy and convenient way to control the masses. Religion provides just that.
+Jack Sprat they want an easy and convenient way to control the masses.... Yes I agree and Jesus saw the same issues with his short time on earth. He saw his people being taken advantage of by the religious wolves in sheep clothing. Who were they? Jesus said: "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous," - Matthew 23:27
+David Henry: The 'church' of Jesus wants your money and your time. That's why Jesus says you have to sell everything and become his disciple in order to get to heaven. That is just another way to say give all your money and time to the church and go recruit more followers so they can also do gods bidding (i.e. the church). Religion is the most successful and 'prophetable' SCAM ever perpetrated on mankind. The catholic church alone has over $170 billion banked. That is some 'prophet' from an easy scam.
prayer DOES work!!!!! the other day I prayed for some ice cream, so i walked down the street to the ice cream store and while waiting for the miracle, a little girl walked out of the store with a cone of strawberry ice cream in it, but she dropped it and went back in to buy another... "OH! MY GOD! MY PRAYER HAS BEEN ANSWERED!!!!"... but for some reason people looked at me strange while I was enjoying my miraculous blessing..... oh well.. "OMM NOM NOM NOM" :)
if God is real it would be sooooo easy to make non believers into believers by just showing his power but I've came to the conclusion that me a believer n God as of 6 months ago is fake n imaginary.I've lost everything n when God could have helped or at least do something me praying time after time nothing happened.
+Andre Williams "Then you where not a true Christian and Praying in vain" Na just joking, welcome to rational though. BTW be careful when people says "God works in mysterious ways" don't fall on the con.
Do you think so? People who don't want to believe would not believe even if Christ came here himself and performed a miracle in front of their eyes. They would claim insanity. Frantically trying to find a logical and scientific explanation for the miracle. They do this because they despise the truth. Look at the pharisees in the bible. Jesus performed multiple miracles even before their eyes and they continued to deny the truth because it exposed their own corruption. Jesus continually exposed their foolishness and pride as "teachers" of the law and they hated him for it. Power and authority corrupts. Now you are an apostate. You have renounced your faith. I am sad and terrified for you. You have been deceived by Satan. I plead for you to make things right with God before it is too late. 2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. 4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)- 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. 10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; 11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from the Lord. 12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish. 13 They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. 14 With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed-an accursed brood! 15 They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer, who loved the wages of wickedness. 16 But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey-an animal without speech-who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness. 17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity-for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.” 20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
Prove ANY of what you say. Starting with the statement that Jesus ever performed a miracle. These are stories in a book. We can absolutely prove many of these stories never happened, such as the great flood, and the creation of the universe. There are also the stories that can't be proven but common sense would tell you are bullshit, like talking snakes and donkeys. Read Paul Bunyan sometime, and tell me how much of what he's credited with, actually happened. Books are open to corruption, and we can prove without a doubt that the bible has been altered significantly......If Jesus appeared right now, how would YOU know if it is really him? Any half assed street magician could easily blow your mind with illusions. It doesn't make him God.
Strange, is it not, that some people can pray and get a new car, new job etc. God "answers" *those* prayers, but pray for an end to world hunger and that's out of God's league ;O) I would've thought that any omnipotent/omniscient being would be able to handle both, or already know what you need before you even need to ask for it?
Yup. Apparently, people dying in horrible, painful ways from diseases is in God's plan. Also... people starving in Africa is apparently in God's plan, too.
GOdIsIMaginary. which video was it that shows why its hard to leave christianity? i remember a clever bit about "they are afraid of other christians" i need that. .. cannot PM on youtube without googleplus now.
+Scotty Peterson Praying is not only a superstition but it doesn't even work let me explain further. John prays to God to get a PS4 for his birthday which is tomorrow, but when he wakes up the next day he checks the kitchen and he doesn't get the present here is why he didn't ask his parents only God so praying is not a waist of time.
+Scotty Peterson That's right because you might find out that he doesn't exist. How do you determine whether a belief is TRUE OR NOT if you can't put it to the test???
My point is that the evidence is very shaky for that. *Usually* people come to a belief such as that based on a religious experience rather than on solid evidence. The "evidence" is often that "the same story has been passed on by people for 2000 years".
Lol , again the Christian have ready answer 😉 which is : Do not test your God 😏 you can test Only when you give your money for him and to see how he will bless you with more 😉😏 much more much better lol
well, let us see here, my church prayed and prayed for 7000 that it needed to cover rent and expenses one month....and it got it ....yet, the 5 year old boy they prayed and prayed for...died from cancer....I WONDER .....????
Not all prayers go unanswered. Just being alive is a gift. We tend to ask for things instead of being grateful for what we have. My life has not been perfect but I learned that some prayers were best left unanswered and that in itself the answer to my prayer. Let's instead be grateful for what we have. I lost everything a few years ago but found gratitude. Had to start from zero. I learned to help others without them even knowing. I understand your point I prayed and thought like you. Now I pray for those that did me wrong that they too find happiness and peace.
Also, if we are not able to put something to the test, then how do we find out what is true and what isn't? Testing something is usually the way that we distinguish between beliefs which are true and those which aren't.
That is not necessarily true.You cannot put God to test, so that means you don't know if he he is real.God merely requires you to have faith that he exists, now is that so hard?If it is, I am sorry (not really)
+Lucy Semaan A god who wanted me to worship him would make it a point to demonstrate indisputable evidence that he is real. He would know what would convince me, and he would make it a point to have that happen. If he doesn't, then I conclude that he is not real. Also, WHY must I have faith? In any other imaginary, made up thing, such as leprechauns, the tooth fairy, etc., we all know that those things are made up and nobody would suggest that you have to have FAITH that the tooth fairy exists. So, why the double standard?
+Lucy Semaan In other words, I could just as easily say that "The tooth fairy exists...you just have to have faith". But nobody would accept that as reality, so why should we accept God as reality?
So where did Jesus first appear after the resurrection? Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus appears to Mary Magdalene but it's not clear where Matthew 28:8-9 - Jesus first appears near his tomb Luke 24:13-15 - Jesus first appears near Emmaus, several miles from Jerusalem John 20:13-14 - Jesus first appears at his tomb
Jesus was not just a prophet of God. He was both fully God and fully man. He came to earth to bridge the gap between man and God. Christianity is the only world religion which teaches that God came to man and sought him out. Other world religions require man to seek God or gods. Salvation through Christianity is not contingent upon anything we do, but is a gift from God. This is what the Bible teaches and why I choose to follow Christianity and why I believe it is the only true way to God.
Praying for people has a detrimental effect on their disease. If they find out people are praying for them, they get worse worrying that there is something wrong with them worthy of prayer.
A husband and wife have patch of melons. Every night a melon disappears. The man says "the leprechauns are taking them". The wife says "there's no evidence for that". The man says "how can you reject the leprechan explanation when *you* don't have any explanation to replace it?"
i have a grandma who to me appears to me to be one of those people that never really went to church or did anything religion related, other than own a cross and a bible, but now that shes old she clings to that bible and cross because she, like all people, fear death, and she has COPD. she thinks gods kept her alive but it was really me. ive singlehandedly dragged her out of her house many times and shes heavy. this is the effect prayer has on people. GOD TOOK MA CREDIT!
A pastor once told me that prayer isn't for God, it's for us. God is going to do what he's going to do no matter what. Sounds like a coin toss to me too, I don't pray I just say thank you for what I have but I don't ask for anything. I work hard for what I want and Thank GOD for what I have.
Cont> why then does it break Newton's first law of motion, assuming that time, space, and quantum physics were predeterminate in the universe, without a cause?
I kept praying and praying for hours trying to get my mom completely well so she can come home. He didn't listen. Now I'm trying Pranic Healing or Theta healing. They do cost money, but it did helped my mom.
+dmana3172 Tell that to the idiot above you, MagyarHuszarFerenc (In other words, Faggatron) over here. He thinks all the Former Christian's are materialistic or some shit, tell em what's up.
@voyagersystem My friend I have followed in Christ since I was 9 and was saved at that age. Then around when I turned 18 or 19, I realized it was all superstition. Not ONCE during my time of Christianity and belief in God did ANYTHING get better for me. I prayed for him to save my loved ones, they died, to help me make the right decisions, I made bad ones that I regret, and I always thanked him for sending his son to die for us every prayer...they all went unanswered.
Religious people have a tendency to only consider the hits and ignore all the misses, so they often trade stories of "prayer success" among themselves and from there the bubble of delusion grows!! If they were to trade stories of unanswered prayers too, they would see reality. But they protect themselves from that, so they can remain religious.
In 1970, Russian soldier Ivan Moiseyev was undergoing the "re-education" by the Soviet government. After claiming he saw and angel, his CO, Major Gidenko, attempted to destroy his Christian faith by making him stand in the street all night in -13 F, while wearing summer fatigues. All Ivan had to do was to renounce his faith, and he'd be let back in the barracks. At 12:30 AM, some officers went out to check on him. His hands were still warm, and gave no indication of renouncing his faith. Cont>
It's pretty sad and disappointing that people still pray nowadays. Since it is able to demonstrated that is doesn't work, I will gladly enjoying feeling smarter than those who pray. Why? Because when something can be proven to not work, and yet people still do it as if it does work, I am smarter than them.
I'm an ex Christian, now an agnostic atheist. I find that Christians in my circle just waive the prayer promises as something that is no longer applicable. The promise applied ONLY to the Jewish followers of Jesus who lived in the 1st Century Palestine. How would you respond to this counter?
Dislikers are those who can't accept reality.
if prayer worked we would see sick people taken to churches
My sister had cancer and prayer groups in California, Michigan and New York were asked to pray for my sister's healing from the disease. My mother was the organizer of all these prayer groups. She is a fundamentalist Christian in the most classic way. My sister died an excruciating death two years ago. What happened to God's promise? It is so easy to see that prayer is no more useful to the sick than rolling dice. Thank you for the reality check!
No, no, NO! Prayer and horseshoes are NOT equivalent! After all, a horseshoe can be used to shoe a horse.
Or to shoo a fly?
kolonial72: Absolutely, horses and horseshoes go together; they have both ceased to be since automobile was invented. Today, with the world the way it is headed, we pray: Come Lord Jesus!
lol good one
kolonial72 They're not talking about any horseshoe, in fact they're comparing prayer to a magical horseshoe.
At least it's useful...ooo, snap!
When my middle son was a toddler he was very ill indeed with encephalitis, losing all coordination, foaming at the mouth and then lapsing into a coma, we were told his chances of survival were not good and that if he did survive he could well be brain damaged. Did I pray, I am atheist so of course I didn't. He did survive and is now a wonderful father of two children. If I had been a believer and had prayed there is no doubt whatsoever that I would be thanking "god" for answering my prayer. I rest my case.
And from a believer, they may just say that someone else prayed for your son. It's still a load of horseshit.
+FoamKittyGamer Absolutely, whatever the outcome, they attempt mental and verbal gymnastics in futile attempts to justify their crazy. pointless, non-evidential fantasy!
+FoamKittyGamer actually i'd rather have a horseshoe with me going into battle, 'it could stop a bullet..
+Nik Kingman Science club, you've no authority there if you prefer to be live in talking animals lol. You'd be laughed out of it if there was such a thing and you attempted to gate crash it😊
+Nik Kingman Lets get this right, you believe in talking animals and sky dictators yet you think claim to follow science, Wow that's as twisted piece of "thinking" I've ever heard. Make your outlandish and childish claims for all you're worth if it makes your little head happy.
If prayers worked, believers in dire situations such as a traffic accident would pray and not call a paramedic first.
How would they ever get into traffic accidents? Jesus take the wheel! YEEHAW!
Prayers do work, with faith.
Nixion Trial
Prove it. All studies to date say it doesn't.
Nixion Trial So you won't call people for help in an emergency, rely on human doctors, or take medication produced by modern science then?
Pat Doyle studies by unfaithful, sure..
they prove nothing
I love it! "If you are a normal, intelligent person...."
Obviously saying Christians aren't normal and aren't intelligent xD
rythmjc3 , it's not just Christians, there are many people like this from all kinds of religions in the world
That's why god gave us religion... to give us something to laugh at.
Call me when u guys reach kendrick lamar s intelligence.
Obviously people who believe in this nonsense are mentally ill.
I love how he breaks it down for people as if they were toddlers... "You never hear from them, because they are dead" 😂😂😂
I used to pray for god to reveal himself to me. I'm still waiting.
With What attitude did you ask God to reveal himself? He likely will not respond to a cynical, skeptical, demanding kind of request for him to be revealed. It is a sincere, repented heart that God will respond to, a person that is given over to making him Lord of their life as he does in fact reveal himself. It was with that heart that I approached him 18 years ago friend, and he did an incredible Miracle immediately to deliver me from alcohol addiction and depression. He has done many other tremendous Miracles, things that absolutely cannot be explained in the natural, in the proceeding 18 years. God is no respecter of persons, that is, he does not esteem anybody higher than another. Trust me, if he revealed himself to me, he will reveal himself to you too, if you come to him humbly. God bless.
John Boehmer Give yourself some credit. God didn’t deliver u from addiction YOU did. Your the one that found a way. And in my experience it’s not God that helps in times like those it’s other people with good hearts. If you had to use God as a reason to quit or pretend you had someone to talk to whatever some people use their kids as a reason or health or failing marriage. The point is you made the decision to quit and stuck with it..no one or nothing else could have changed your own mind but yourself.
Gleanerman by the way I asked too after being involved in church since birth and having children of my own for my studies to lead me back to God as all the evidence lead away that if hell was real I could save my children. You think the direction turned? I have no fear of death and If I have to face god my eternal torture and my children’s is on his hands
Hi James, I want you to understand exactly how this happened, and you will understand why I give Jesus the credit. All I did was come to him sincerely asking him to come into my life to be Lord, and repented of my sin. I had no preconceived notion concerning my alcoholism whatsoever. I did not know that God still does miracles, I thought that was a thing from the long gone past. I did not know at that time that my alcoholism would send me to hell.
What happened in that very moment in time is that the addiction, the desire for the alcohol was completely taken away. Please understand, he did not simply give me the strength to overcome the addiction... He did all the work. One moment, as was the case my entire adult life, I absolutely had to have my beer, I then asked Jesus in, and the next minute I have no desire for it. I didn't even know what Jesus had done until the next day when I went to do my usual drinking, and it was then that I realized something happened. I simply didn't want it! It was the weirdest, most amazing thing! No friend, trust me, if the same thing happened to you that happened to me, you would know that it was God that set you free from this also. Completely unnatural what happened. The depression that went right with the alcoholism was also taken away.
Alcoholics Anonymous will tell you once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. That is, you can get free from drinking, but you're always going to have to deal with the addiction, the desire. the Bible says, whom the Son sets free is free indeed! That has been the one proven to be true in the 18 years since, as I have continued to have absolutely zero desire for alcohol. No, I get no credit in this, I didn't have to do anything. God bless you sir, have a good day.
@John Boehmer I wonder if you read and acknowledged what @James Bromley just wrote. It’s like your religions block you from thinking outside of them. YOU DID!! you yourself overcame the addiction without your delusional God. How? Because you became aware it’s an addiction at that moment and your will at that moment started working towards to stopping it. Congratulations!! You beat the addiction! You did the actions! People replace certain activities with their addictions to beat them. Maybe you used God/prayer but that doesn’t prove he exists, because you did all the action. He didn’t magically pull away those bottles. It was your will not to touch. Young kids usually have emotional experiences with imaginary friends, that doesn’t prove they exist. So yeah, you did!!
I remember when I was a very religious kid, I prayed to god to help get a girlfriend or to help my brother do will in school and guess what....nothing happened!
- Lucky horseshoe ain't play dice.
- Thou shall not test horseshoe.
- This prayer is too trivial for the wondrous lucky horseshoe.
- You didn't hold the lucky horseshoe right.
- That prayer is too big for the horseshoe to make effect.
- Lucky horseshoe intends for us to suffer.
I'm not liking this comment to keep it at lucky seven likes,
I personally reckon it's either the prayer is too big for lucky horseshoe or lucky horseshoe intends us to suffer.
Why does god need my money?
Why does he need prayer. Sounds like a man made belief to me. Evolution of beliefs from making sacrifices and rituals to please gods to praying to please a god
So he can pay the Preacher that tells you that god needs your money.
God owns everything; why would He need your money?... Or mine?
Only the scammers that represent god need the money :D LOL
he is not your god
The christian philosophy: prayer always works except when it doesn't.
God is not about religion, but RELATIONSHIP! Father-son-daughter relationship. God bless you.
@@mariodiblasio8058 I've been trying to investigate this concept of a relationship of God. I have some experiments in mind that I'm going to conduct to try and establish a relationship with God. Wish me luck. I am a genuine seeker and believe there is a God just not sure about some of the attributes of God or his promises. I am not sure if it's actually possible to have a relationship with God and what that would entail. Some answers given to me are "just read the word every day and contemplate god and that is a relationship with him". If that is true then I already have a relationship with god. I want however to know the personal god. Christian theology promises a PERSONAL relationship with God and that God has manifested himself in the flesh and can talk to us. I got some ideas on how to get this to happen and also some ideas about how to avoid getting duped by lower entities pretending to be God.
@@FringeWizard2 : Hi Fringe. Human history began when God created Adam and Eve . We all come after. We are all related. We are all brothers and sisters. Why wars? Why killings? ... SELF! Most of us live for self; self is on the throne in our heart. That's the lie of the devil.
What is the purpose of prayer? God knows my every thought right? He knows every hair on my head and he knows whether I’m happy or sad, he knows whether I’ve been good or bad. He knows what I’ll be thinking 10 years from now. He knows everything. My praying to him would be redundancy and simply telling him what he already knows.
Praying for something outside my experience such as praying for a good outcome regarding others in the world who’ve experienced a tragedy like those who experienced the tsunami in 2004 would be tantamount to trying to change gods mind as he has a plan in place & everything happens for his reason.
The very idea of needing to pray contradicts the concept of god.
+peach495 The only one who knows if you have been good or bad is Santa.
+Gleanerman And the Toof Fairy
+peach495 Read your bible more closely. If two christians agree on what god should do, he'll do it. If you believe god will give you something, he will give it. Period. No conditions.
And its obviously wrong. So either the Bible is correct, OR you're correct.
i.e. your hypothesis contradicts the concept of Jesus being truthful.
Maybe the Bible applies to the time of Christ but not to today when it comes to all that Miracle stuff or prayers being answered. I don't know this is one of the things that just kept me guessing all the time and eventually I just couldn't take it anymore. Several years back I was in desperate times in my marriage and work-life and when things got worse and prayers went unanswered it kept me guessing and questioning, and it's a miserable way to live
I BEEN HOMELESS FOR 15 YEARS NOW AND I BEEN PRAYING TO GOD FOR HIM TO HELP ME TO GET MY OWN APARTMENT
BUT NOTHING EVER HAPPENED
PRAYERS DON'T WORK
Every religious person watching this is holding their hands over their ears right now!
Nixion Trial I'm sure in your mind you can but that doesn't make it true!
Nixion Trial So if god knows everything I was going to do in my life, like become an Atheist. Then even before I was born he knew I was going to hell! So that makes him a piece of shit! If you know you're going to destroy something before you make it then why make it in the first place!
Nixion Trial Lucky I don't believe in that crap!
Nixion Trial How come you don't do what Jesus says? No Christian does! You need to give up all your possessions an money to the poor and go out and spread the word! If you're such a believer then prove it! All I see are rich preachers in big houses! All it is, is a business, and a damn good one at that!
Brainwashing at it's finest!
Praying is begging like asking Santa for a new bicycle. It's time to grow up.
Larks is my favorite KC album
Praying is talking to your heavenly Father..
Prayer does not work..can anyone prove me wrong. .ive prayed for many years for healing ,,deliverance, ,for third world countries to get food, ,for no one to ever suffer, for all evil to stop..etc etc etc.
Still HELL on earth. .always will be..
It works. God answered all your prayers by not doing what you requested. You know God himself suffered and yet you ask God to end suffering? Well maybe that's already answered for all mortal beings will die and in dying no longer suffer. As for all evil being stopped, that too is probably already answered, in that one day the universe itself might die and with it evil shall be eliminated (or perhaps, the most manifest evil, aka nothingness / the total negation of God's work will prevail). As for third world countries getting food, absurd amounts of food is given to them all the time, so that prayer of yours is definitely answered. I pray all the time for God to let them all starve because I hate non-whites but God isn't on board with that unfortunately and does not kill them fast enough. As for healing, your body is constantly healing all the time, and likewise for everyone else who is alive. Healing happens constantly around the world always. As for deliverance, I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you want to be delivered out of the hands of your oppressors? Maybe it's already done. All the things you've prayed for probably are already done. Some of it you can't see because it's only been done further ahead on the timeline and other things you have asked for are and have definitely been happening.
@@FringeWizard2 bullshit
I must disagree about the assessment that prayer has the exact same effect as a horseshoe. While it may be demonstrably true under MOST CIRCUMSTANCES, I'm pretty sure it can also be demonstrated that a horseshoe can protect a horse's foot much more effectively than a prayer can, and while an actual battle is probably neither a good time nor a good place to test the theory that "almost" counts in both horseshoes and hand grenades, throwing either at the oncoming enemy is likely to deter their advance more than throwing prayers at them.
Granted though, the mental image of enemies in a battle stopping to pick up prayer tracts and read them before moving on is at least good for a laugh...
I can just picture the conversation: ---
L: What the heck are they throwing at us?
P: looks like paper airplanes with something printed on them.
L: Yeah, there's words on them. I wonder what they say.
P: How about you pick one up and find out while I throw some of these horseshoes and hand grenades back their way. :)
L: Sounds like a plan.
Positively Brilliant. Oh yeah, & very, very funny.
***** Now that I think of it, DarkMatter2525 could make a pretty hilarious video of it, I'm sure.... if he knew about it, had the time, and felt like it. So could NonStampCollector :)
I have a photograph of God. Took it myself. Proves God is a fake. Anyone care to see it?
In fact, there was a study on the efficacy of prayer and they had three groups of people who were ill. It was set up as such: one group was prayed for and knew it, one group was prayed for and didn't know, and the last group wasn't prayed for at all. Results showed that not only were there no differences between the healing processes of each group, it also showed that the people who knew they were prayed for where put under additional stress, and had further complications due to the expectations from people praying for them.
I don't believe that.
@@mrtadreamer Believe it or not, it's fact.
i can see the horseshoe so i know it exists, therefore the horseshoe has a better chance of coming through for me.
"When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the lord, in his wisdom, didn't work that way. So I stole one and asked him to forgive me"
-E. Phillips
Great Vid!
My favorite is when someone tries to tell me to go to Answers in Genesis for "evidence."
Even better, take 1,500 patients and split them in to 3 groups. Let the 3rd group be treated by medical science.
Amazing, science will cure more than prayer or a lucky horseshoe....
You would get somewhat inconsistent products in the third group as you would tailor your treatment to the individual. You could treat them all indiscriminately with a banana bag of fluids, powdering their body with some of that fast acting coagulant powder, and giving them all antibiotics. Odds are still better, even without doctors or diagnosis you would still have waaaay fewer deaths in that third group.
rockthestrand thats not fair I dont want 2/3s to die
Which is why some clinical trials are stopped--one of the treatments is so obviously inferior that it's cruel to the point of near-illegality and would be a definite ethics violation to let it go on.
rockthestrand: Hi rock; modern science finally has given us its masterpiece: atomic weapons; let's hope they won't blow up thee planet! God bless you.
Science had become a RELIGION
But if you believed in the horseshoe strongly enough, it would bring comfort.
Yep and then don't forget you have to tell everyone to believe in the horse shoe or they will burn in hell.
Cause its already been "ran through" LOL
+Good one!
+uncleanunicorn Wait-wait how did you know "the Horse-shoe" was my god?
Reason1717 Faith.
But you never hear from the other nine because they are dead. lol
Exactly lol
Marylyn Monroe was born male
+Elsie Carol
i'm curious. why doesn't god ever heal amputees?
+Samuraigamer There's no such thing, man made lies.
+Samuraigamer i guess he dosen't have that experience yet, maybe later..
Because God doesn't exist and it's physically impossible
+Epic Wolf So, you know God doesn't exist? You really are an immature bonehead!
+twombonu no, I don't claim to know that God doesn't exist. It can't be proven. I just really don't believe in him. Why don't you tell me why you claim to know that unicorns don't exist? Or the other gods that you probably don't believe in?
I enjoyed this video very much, GIIVideo.
I think the direct and simple way you present your case must make sense to even the most faithful.
Let's hope that those who are interested in ridding themselves of their religious belief will take this message to heart.
Well done, sir.
Prayer works. I pray to Ra (the real god) everyday that he brings us the sun, and he does.
Ra is hotter than God lol
I prayed to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The pasta I bought and cooked was delicious!
I pray to nothing because I dont have a god im spiritual
NRBS, right? Not religious but spiritual?
FlyboyCGC: sunscreen?
My family is tight financially, but God put it in our hearts to donate money to feed those starving. We took that step of faith and donated 500$ online. Immediately after making the transaction we opened that day's mail. One of the letters was from a friend who we hadn't seen in 4 years, and inside was a check for 500$! We called her to thank her to which she replied, "I prayed to God about how to spend this extra money, and after praying I knew I had to send it to you, but I didn't know why"!!
I LOVE THIS VIDEO!!! It clearly states all of the points that I've been trying to prove to my Christian friend. But this video explains it in a much clearer way.
2:08 If prayer worked, you would only need to pray for something once. People pray for the same things every day because the prayers are never answered. "Faith" is merely an imaginative substitute for facts.
I'm a heavy atheist ⚛. And if there's a god that already knows best then there should be no prayer at all
I prayed there was no god and that prayer doesn't work and it was answered!
Instead of thanking "God" for your medical cure, how about thanking the doctor that went through years of training to make that cure possible.
Exactly.
no, that's not how it works. If the surgery is successful then you thank God, and Jesus, but if something goes wrong during the surgery, then you sue the doctor, and hold him accountable.
It's blindingly obvious. This is really just a demonstration of what should be common knowledge.
Your blinded by the light of "common sence" if everything made sence why would we need faith not everything will have an answer the only answer is through god
Voice Of Truth No, common sense is not a good way of finding truth. The only way to really find truth is through the rigorous standards of science or rational, unbiased logic.
I'd say that you are blinded by religious/magical thinking. There is no truth through that door my friend. Only years of unrewarded devotion.
+Paul TheSkeptic Im not blinded I know the truth after years of searching I know the truth I dont question it science has disproved itself constantly I dont believe half the stuff science says because of its reliabity on what "makes sence" and not whats true
Voice Of Truth You know the truth but you don't question it? One of my favorite poems is written by Stephen Crane.
"Truth," said a traveller,
"Is a rock, a mighty fortress;
Often have I been to it,
Even to its highest tower,
From whence the world looks black."
"Truth," said a traveller,
"Is a breath, a wind,
A shadow, a phantom;
Long have I pursued it,
But never have I touched
The hem of its garment."
And I believed the second traveller;
For truth was to me
A breath, a wind,
A shadow, a phantom,
And never had I touched
The hem of its garment.
If you have the truth and you don't question it, and someone else has the truth but he doesn't question it either but they're both different, how do we tell who has the truth?
Science has never disproved itself. Science has improved itself. As science gathers more data, we continually get a better picture of what's happening. It's a bit like a jigsaw puzzle. We may never have the entire picture but as more and more pieces come together we begin to get an idea of what the big picture looks like.
Science is not based what makes sense. As I've already explained, that's not a good way to get to the truth. It makes sense that boats should be made out of wood. It makes sense that the sun goes around the earth. Science is based on evidence. It's a system of gathering and interpreting data with as little bias as possible. That's why we have double blind studies. If the person gathering or interpreting the data doesn't know what the study is about, he or she won't be able to inject his or her bias.
+Paul TheSkeptic First of all science has disproved itself many times not to long ago it was widely accepted the earth was flat,secondly the apieces are coming together but theres dtill some big blanks that only god has the pieces to...
When I was a kid I wanted a new bicycle so I prayed to Jesus for it.
I prayed and prayed, promised to be good and etc. but no bicycle appeared.
So I stole a bike and asked God for forgiveness! (Just kidding!)
It's easier to ask for forgiveness then for permission.
Luckystrike stupid Boi god cant get you a bike he only heals and helps people Jesus Christ!
@@kiwithecannabis6922 then he should heal all of the cancer patients with entire Churches praying for them. He should heal all of the amputees. All of the refugees who came from war zones. He should heal all of the starving children. We don't give a damn about personal attributes God has "Miraculously" helped in. That's like saying God helped someone beat an alcohol addiction after they went to Rehab 😐 ... don't tell us about what God has done in YOUR life. Tell us about what the all fair and all powerful God has done for the Entire world and ALL his children. Not specific ones he likes. I mean ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
The bike was delivered to the store. All you had to do is go there & get it & hand the guy some $$$. You can still get the bike of your choice!
Luckystrike you learned well.
If you believe in predestination, Yahweh's Omniscience and the Divine Plan you cannot believe that praying to a Divine Planner will make any difference.
Having realized the truth of that, I stopped praying, and life continued on as before.
"He already knows what you want,
and decided that you shouldn't need it.
So don't bother praying for cures or an answer,
God is the one who gave you the cancer." Aurellio Voltair
So Aurellio Voltair is Jesus now?
No...not Jesus. Why do you draw that conclusion?
Charles Stone Because you're taking what he says like it's true. He is just human, he isn't god, what he says isn't word of God. So what he says has no use in the argument.
Are you saying there is no truth in human communication? I'm confused. As a non believer, I would agree that god doesn't give people cancer because the likelihood of his existence is equal to that of any other mythical creature. So I guess we agree....what Voltaire said here is not true.
+Charles Stone it seems god likes cancer a lot
I used to believe as you did, but it kept coming back to this:
Had I chosen Christianity because evidence showed it to be the true religion? When I finally admitted to myself that my choice of religion was simply a matter of conforming to society, and that I had passed by all other religions without bothering to study and learn about them, I had to admit that I did NOT know which if any religion is right, I just decided to accept the first religion fed to me by others who had done the same..
Prayer IMO is psychological.
In reality, does it really work? No, it does not.
Nixion Trial Then why haven't you prayed to cure cancer yet? Why hasn't anyone? Does anybody know how to pray?
Nobody has to tell me they haven't done it..? People still have cancer...
Puppydog Wheeler You have to believe that your prayer will be answered, and it has to be in line with God's will for him to say "Yes" to your prayer.
So, either 3 things:
1. People don't believe their prayer will be answered.
2. They do believe, but it isn't God's will for it to be cured.
3. There is already a cure for cancer, but people let cancer stay around.
Radical Johnson Then why don't you pray for the cure of cancer to be easily available to everyone who is suffering from cancer?
Dan Khan Look at my last post.
In fact, prayers and horseshoes do have an effect. It's called the placebo effect.
Markus incorrect misinformation
@@msbunny6671 Double negative..
The placebo effect can still be powerful. The power of the mind.
This whole video is horseshit. Prayers do have effect or else psychology is a bogus science. Does the man who created this video deny the legitimacy of psychology?
Horseshoes are silly, but my rabbits foot is an all knowing god.
Praying is not just a superstition but an immoral act. If you believe that God exists, asking him to help you in a personal problem while thousands of innocent people die every day without any intervention of God, it's like you believe that your problem is more important than the lifes of those people.
Assuming:
1) God doesn't exist, thus no all-powerful being saves starving children in Africa.
2) God does exist, and he let the starving children suffer in Africa.
In either case, we don't really need to believe in God because:
1) He is imaginary.
2) He is quite a malevolent existence which we as human species should despise and fear.
Whats wrong with praying for god to both help you AND those who are also suffering? I dont believe its selfish at all just because you ask god to give you something doesnt mean your taking anything away from someone else. they merely didnt ask for the help but we could ask god for them this is why churches pray for the sick and the lost as well they pray for people that are suffering people they dont even know because they know of this great power and if it helped them and their asking god for help through prayer god will also help them or whatever or whoever your praying too. Its not selfish at all to ask a higher power for help even tho others are suffering as well and they didnt do their part and ask. why take away one persons reward when the other whos suffering didnt bother to ask for the help in the first place? Your petition to god doesnt mean its above anyone elses it just means you had faith enough to ask for the help and others didnt it doesnt mean your petition is greater tham anyone elses.
Ma2ti great point, when I was still a bit religious what you're saying started to bother me, but if I told someone about it they would say that's just the devil trying to get me to not pray because he doesn't want me to have good things. And then I started thinking how retarded even that sounded and next thing you know I'm questioning everything why this and why that on and on and on and why would God let the devil do that to me because I'm trying to be good and follow Jesus. And why this and why that and eventually couldn't take anymore and had to get away from it so I could get the brainwashing crap out of my head it took a few years but I finally got rid of it
@@youtoo2233 , If it was really bothering you, why didn't you just start praying for other people?? This is why, how, people can slip away from God. Clearly they are not of him in the first place, to be able to think that way, and justify falling away because, as you're claiming, it's so immoral to pray for yourself when others are suffering, and then your solution is not to start praying for other people, but to quit God altogether... It's just so obvious, why can't you see it?
“I praid ta Gawd and he saved me, hallalooya!!”
All of this guy's videos are great and his site as well.
You know David Henry...I think that the inventors of the christian religion were very thoughtful to include "you shall not put the Lord your God to the test." That is exactly what I would say if I was a con man and I wanted to get someone to believe in something which is a lie.....that's right people...WHATEVER YOU DO....DON'T PUT IT TO THE TEST. You might find out that it is WRONG.
+Jack Sprat That is exactly what I would say if I was a con man? Do you know who said that quote? Jesus
Con men usually wants something, what does Jesus want from you? money, fame or fortune?
I don't think you can offer much to creator of the universe.
I think we are coming from two different points of view here. I see religion as something which is a man-made invention and has nothing to do with a creator of the universe. From that point of view, the rulers of a given society want an easy and convenient way to control the masses. Religion provides just that.
Thus, you are never allowed to "put God to the test". Lest the rulers of society lose their grip on the common man.
+Jack Sprat they want an easy and convenient way to control the masses.... Yes I agree and Jesus saw the same issues with his short time on earth. He saw his people being taken advantage of by the religious wolves in sheep clothing. Who were they? Jesus said:
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous," - Matthew 23:27
+David Henry: The 'church' of Jesus wants your money and your time. That's why Jesus says you have to sell everything and become his disciple in order to get to heaven. That is just another way to say give all your money and time to the church and go recruit more followers so they can also do gods bidding (i.e. the church). Religion is the most successful and 'prophetable' SCAM ever perpetrated on mankind. The catholic church alone has over $170 billion banked. That is some 'prophet' from an easy scam.
Nothing works like prayer!
MadNotAngry Prayer doesn't work. LOL
um-hum, I know, dummy
MadNotAngry So do I, dummy. It's called 'sarcasm.'
You didn't get a 6 dice Yahtzee in sixes, but you got a small straight.
prayer DOES work!!!!! the other day I prayed for some ice cream, so i walked down the street to the ice cream store and while waiting for the miracle, a little girl walked out of the store with a cone of strawberry ice cream in it, but she dropped it and went back in to buy another... "OH! MY GOD! MY PRAYER HAS BEEN ANSWERED!!!!"... but for some reason people looked at me strange while I was enjoying my miraculous blessing..... oh well.. "OMM NOM NOM NOM"
:)
Is this a joke?
Very intelligence analysis. love your scientific study. I am a math major n I love your premise. keep up the good work. atheist all the way
Hail Atheist! :D
I love these videos
very informal conversation
Prayer is good for the naive, desperate, needy and deluded people, it comforts them like meditation does.
The bible says it best, christ is for the meek and blind. Everyone else kind of already know the way.
if God is real it would be sooooo easy to make non believers into believers by just showing his power but I've came to the conclusion that me a believer n God as of 6 months ago is fake n imaginary.I've lost everything n when God could have helped or at least do something me praying time after time nothing happened.
+IveHearted1 I look forward to hearing back from you if this makes any sense to you whatsoever. There are many more things I can show you.
+Andre Williams "Then you where not a true Christian and Praying in vain" Na just joking, welcome to rational though.
BTW be careful when people says "God works in mysterious ways" don't fall on the con.
Do you think so? People who don't want to believe would not believe even if Christ came here himself and performed a miracle in front of their eyes. They would claim insanity. Frantically trying to find a logical and scientific explanation for the miracle. They do this because they despise the truth. Look at the pharisees in the bible. Jesus performed multiple miracles even before their eyes and they continued to deny the truth because it exposed their own corruption. Jesus continually exposed their foolishness and pride as "teachers" of the law and they hated him for it. Power and authority corrupts. Now you are an apostate. You have renounced your faith. I am sad and terrified for you. You have been deceived by Satan. I plead for you to make things right with God before it is too late.
2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)- 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. 10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh and despise authority.
Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; 11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from the Lord. 12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.
13 They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. 14 With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed-an accursed brood! 15 They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer, who loved the wages of wickedness. 16 But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey-an animal without speech-who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.
17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity-for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.” 20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
Well we have another dumb ass folks, LOGIC!!
Prove ANY of what you say. Starting with the statement that Jesus ever performed a miracle. These are stories in a book. We can absolutely prove many of these stories never happened, such as the great flood, and the creation of the universe. There are also the stories that can't be proven but common sense would tell you are bullshit, like talking snakes and donkeys. Read Paul Bunyan sometime, and tell me how much of what he's credited with, actually happened. Books are open to corruption, and we can prove without a doubt that the bible has been altered significantly......If Jesus appeared right now, how would YOU know if it is really him? Any half assed street magician could easily blow your mind with illusions. It doesn't make him God.
You can pray to God, Jesus, Batman, Sasquatch, a jug of milk etc.. All will produce the same result: NOTHING
Not according to my experience.
Strange, is it not, that some people can pray and get a new car, new job etc. God "answers" *those* prayers, but pray for an end to world hunger and that's out of God's league ;O)
I would've thought that any omnipotent/omniscient being would be able to handle both, or already know what you need before you even need to ask for it?
Yup. Apparently, people dying in horrible, painful ways from diseases is in God's plan. Also... people starving in Africa is apparently in God's plan, too.
Nothing fails like prayer, other than god - or any other totally useless crap for that matter.
Even if millions of people prayed for a limb to grow back it just ain't gonna happen. Prayer is stupid...it's like praying to the wall.
GOdIsIMaginary. which video was it that shows why its hard to leave christianity? i remember a clever bit about "they are afraid of other christians" i need that. .. cannot PM on youtube without googleplus now.
HOW COULD YOU DARE TO SAY THAT Jesus WAS a Myth?
He is THE KING OF MEMES.THE TRUE SON OF MEME GOD.THE SWAG PRINCE
thank you for every video on your channel
"Do not put the Lord to the test."
no need,, he doesnt answer prairs either way
+Scotty Peterson The "Lord" appears to be fictional just like thousands of other gods. There is no reason to place him on a pedestal.
+Scotty Peterson Do not put the Lord to the test...because he is really not that good on tests.
+Scotty Peterson Praying is not only a superstition but it doesn't even work let me explain further. John prays to God to get a PS4 for his birthday which is tomorrow, but when he wakes up the next day he checks the kitchen and he doesn't get the present here is why he didn't ask his parents only God so praying is not a waist of time.
+Scotty Peterson That's right because you might find out that he doesn't exist. How do you determine whether a belief is TRUE OR NOT if you can't put it to the test???
I am a christian and I do agree with you that prayer seem never answered.
My point is that the evidence is very shaky for that. *Usually* people come to a belief such as that based on a religious experience rather than on solid evidence. The "evidence" is often that "the same story has been passed on by people for 2000 years".
Lol , again the Christian have ready answer 😉 which is : Do not test your God 😏 you can test Only when you give your money for him and to see how he will bless you with more 😉😏 much more much better lol
well, let us see here, my church prayed and prayed for 7000 that it needed to cover rent and expenses one month....and it got it ....yet, the 5 year old boy they prayed and prayed for...died from cancer....I WONDER .....????
So clear and concise!
Not all prayers go unanswered. Just being alive is a gift. We tend to ask for things instead of being grateful for what we have. My life has not been perfect but I learned that some prayers were best left unanswered and that in itself the answer to my prayer. Let's instead be grateful for what we have. I lost everything a few years ago but found gratitude. Had to start from zero. I learned to help others without them even knowing. I understand your point I prayed and thought like you. Now I pray for those that did me wrong that they too find happiness and peace.
God answers all prayer. If He didn't answer your prayer, you asked with wrong motives.
Also, if we are not able to put something to the test, then how do we find out what is true and what isn't? Testing something is usually the way that we distinguish between beliefs which are true and those which aren't.
That is not necessarily true.You cannot put God to test, so that means you don't know if he he is real.God merely requires you to have faith that he exists, now is that so hard?If it is, I am sorry (not really)
+Lucy Semaan A god who wanted me to worship him would make it a point to demonstrate indisputable evidence that he is real. He would know what would convince me, and he would make it a point to have that happen. If he doesn't, then I conclude that he is not real. Also, WHY must I have faith? In any other imaginary, made up thing, such as leprechauns, the tooth fairy, etc., we all know that those things are made up and nobody would suggest that you have to have FAITH that the tooth fairy exists. So, why the double standard?
+Lucy Semaan In other words, I could just as easily say that "The tooth fairy exists...you just have to have faith". But nobody would accept that as reality, so why should we accept God as reality?
So sorry to hear about your loss. But Agreed, the videos and the website are great reality checks! ^^
Prayer is a way for people to feel as if they are doing something by doing nothing.
Have you ever tried this? Got a group of cancer sufferers, got a group of Christians who want to pray for them, and seen what happens?
So where did Jesus first appear after the resurrection?
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus appears to Mary Magdalene but it's not clear where
Matthew 28:8-9 - Jesus first appears near his tomb
Luke 24:13-15 - Jesus first appears near Emmaus, several miles from Jerusalem
John 20:13-14 - Jesus first appears at his tomb
When people survive an accident that kills many they thank god but never fault him for starting the mess in the first place.
Yes, you can *imagine* the bible to mean whatever you *already* want it to mean.
if you put the unvisible pink unicorn to a test she won't answers you.
Jesus was not just a prophet of God. He was both fully God and fully man. He came to earth to bridge the gap between man and God. Christianity is the only world religion which teaches that God came to man and sought him out. Other world religions require man to seek God or gods. Salvation through Christianity is not contingent upon anything we do, but is a gift from God. This is what the Bible teaches and why I choose to follow Christianity and why I believe it is the only true way to God.
Who still watching this 18 years later?
Praying for people has a detrimental effect on their disease. If they find out people are praying for them, they get worse worrying that there is something wrong with them worthy of prayer.
What is the sound of one hand clapping?
I'm really glad I'm now an Atheist
7:07 "You never hear from the 9 who died because they're dead." 😁😁😁
A husband and wife have patch of melons. Every night a melon disappears.
The man says "the leprechauns are taking them".
The wife says "there's no evidence for that".
The man says "how can you reject the leprechan explanation when *you* don't have any explanation to replace it?"
i have a grandma who to me appears to me to be one of those people that never really went to church or did anything religion related, other than own a cross and a bible, but now that shes old she clings to that bible and cross because she, like all people, fear death, and she has COPD. she thinks gods kept her alive but it was really me. ive singlehandedly dragged her out of her house many times and shes heavy. this is the effect prayer has on people. GOD TOOK MA CREDIT!
As far as I can see, your only prayer was: "Please God, make me superstitious!" ;-)
Thanks for your famous video dude
No wonder I was lost for
54 years
A pastor once told me that prayer isn't for God, it's for us. God is going to do what he's going to do no matter what. Sounds like a coin toss to me too, I don't pray I just say thank you for what I have but I don't ask for anything. I work hard for what I want and Thank GOD for what I have.
Vy Sharieff prayer pleases God
Cont> why then does it break Newton's first law of motion, assuming that time, space, and quantum physics were predeterminate in the universe, without a cause?
I kept praying and praying for hours trying to get my mom completely well so she can come home. He didn't listen. Now I'm trying Pranic Healing or Theta healing. They do cost money, but it did helped my mom.
+dmana3172 Tell that to the idiot above you, MagyarHuszarFerenc (In other words, Faggatron) over here. He thinks all the Former Christian's are materialistic or some shit, tell em what's up.
@voyagersystem My friend I have followed in Christ since I was 9 and was saved at that age. Then around when I turned 18 or 19, I realized it was all superstition. Not ONCE during my time of Christianity and belief in God did ANYTHING get better for me. I prayed for him to save my loved ones, they died, to help me make the right decisions, I made bad ones that I regret, and I always thanked him for sending his son to die for us every prayer...they all went unanswered.
Religious people have a tendency to only consider the hits and ignore all the misses, so they often trade stories of "prayer success" among themselves and from there the bubble of delusion grows!! If they were to trade stories of unanswered prayers too, they would see reality. But they protect themselves from that, so they can remain religious.
LIke Vegas wins and losses, or the stock market - correct.
God does answer prayer, he heals the sick, oh that's right doctors do that.
In 1970, Russian soldier Ivan Moiseyev was undergoing the "re-education" by the Soviet government. After claiming he saw and angel, his CO, Major Gidenko, attempted to destroy his Christian faith by making him stand in the street all night in -13 F, while wearing summer fatigues. All Ivan had to do was to renounce his faith, and he'd be let back in the barracks.
At 12:30 AM, some officers went out to check on him. His hands were still warm, and gave no indication of renouncing his faith. Cont>
It's pretty sad and disappointing that people still pray nowadays. Since it is able to demonstrated that is doesn't work, I will gladly enjoying feeling smarter than those who pray. Why? Because when something can be proven to not work, and yet people still do it as if it does work, I am smarter than them.
@VictoryInJesus454 What's the point of petitioning God for something you already have?
EVERY PRAYER I EVER PRAYED
I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY REAL
BUT AS I EXAMINED THE PRAYERS THEY WERE JUST COINCIDENCES AND SUPERSTITIONAL
If god is all powerful why is there a prayer that’s “too large”? So he can create a universe but not cure someone?
Everything that happens is God's will (he is omnipotent). People are cured all the time of various ailments. Ergo, god cures.
I'm an ex Christian, now an agnostic atheist. I find that Christians in my circle just waive the prayer promises as something that is no longer applicable. The promise applied ONLY to the Jewish followers of Jesus who lived in the 1st Century Palestine. How would you respond to this counter?
@linkmen how were they bad examples?