Fr. Murr's Radical Suggestion
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The TLM is a gold mine for the Catholic Church. The world would change if it was brought back.
And yet we have a banning of the TLM by our very own Pope. It seems to me he almost has some kind of a fear of it...I don't get it ......AT ALL! Benedict encouraged it, and Francis is banning it. How does any of that make any sense?!
People should realise that it was never abrogated, as Pope Benedict let the world know in Summorum Pontificum. It was tragically & maliciously suppressed during the terrible decisions made after VII; but the bishops of the world need to take heed & work to restore the Tridentine Rite to its rightful place in all parishes.
Love Fr. Murr. He speaks wisdom!
When I was a child of seven, we sang the TLM responses and hymns in Latin, and Gregorian chant. Even at that early age I understood what was going on. The sisters who prepared us for our First Holy Communion taught us well! We understood what the Mass was about. The argument for Mass in the vernacular for greater “understanding” doesn’t hold water with me. Even the smallest children can understand when properly catechized.
The best proponent of TLZm is Sister Wilhelmina who, after 50 years as a nun, having witnessed that so much was “watered down” after the Modernism of Vatican II dropped many traditions such as meatless Fridays which also unified us. Rather than pride in Catholicism, the bishops had the attitude, like pretenders, who want to be just like their friends, rather than convincing their friends of the beauty and significance of our own traditions.
I agree, even today Relevant Radio pushes the lie that the TLM was changed only to make it understandable. Wrong wrong wrong. The TLM is VERY understandable to those who have ears and can read. We are not stupid. They changed the Mass to please Protestants and other heretics.
This is a description of my Catholic school experience.❤❤❤
My memory of a beautiful mass is of a 4-5 yr old, we used to attend a morning mass in one of the upper halls of a local Catholic Primary School in the Philippines.
We live in a distant and backward town, where the highlight of our week is the Sunday Mass. Our priest was a pleasant and caring Spanish Franciscan. I remember attending a beautiful mass, the music is something angelic with an organ as accompaniment; the incense makes everything smell sacred (I used to recreate that scent with almaciga sap and I always get reprimanded for risking a fire at home 😁), we had real yellow-wax candles and they smell with honey. As a child, that is the scent of heaven.
Feeling nostalgic.
💯💯💯💯
We seek out the Latin Mass because we want the real thing, not a cheap substitution which looks no different from a protestant mass. We want reverence for the Blessed Sacrament. We want tradition, because the whole point of tradition is to ward off the corrupting effects of change. God is the side of order, and our greatest tool to bring or maintain order is shared tradition. Satan works towards chaos, and the greatest tool to bring about corruption is change, specifically against tradition.
Protestants have no mass, they have "services".
I do agree with you for the most part, unless you believe all change is bad.I'm not sure you were saying that all change is bad. I would go as far as saying I am suspicious of all change since I have almost lost all trust in authority.
I believe any change in the Tridentine Mass is definately bad.
@@peteroreilly8169 All change is not bad, but it opens the door to corruption. If the change is made to go back to tradition, then it's a good change. If the change is made to dismantle tradition, then it's a bad change. If the tradition itself is a corruption, then a change from it is good.
I love these shows with Fr Murr.❤️ There is such good chemistry between these two great men. You speak exactly what is on my mind and in my heart. I'm a 65 year old cradle Catholic and followed my children and grandchildren to the beautiful Traditional Latin Mass. I remember as a girl how disruptive the 60s and 70s in the Church was for our family. Half of my siblings stopped going to church and are agnostics today. Father's response to a young person about not understanding what he was saying while celebrating mass in latin was excellent, "I am talking to God, not you." 👍🏻
Kimberli - exactly my experience. The early changes were cringey and many souls were lost while a new Pentecost was declared. Disturbing how they never were concerned with reaching out to all those who walked away.
I've been listening to this podcast for a couple of months, I guessed, but did not know until today that Fr. Murr offers the traditional Mass. How wonderful.
I love TLM!
This 'Eucharistic Congress'...I would say....bring back the Communion Rails and the practice of receiving Our Lord ON THE TONGUE. That would go a LONG WAY to bring back belief..also yes, the TLM would seal the deal.
When I first heard about the doctrine of the Real Presence in the homily at the Corpus Christi Mass. I was shocked and decided to watch distribution of Holy Communion very carefully because I had no idea that the Host is Jesus, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity! As a convert I had had minimal instruction in the faith. So I watched the Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion distribute the Host in the hand and the Chalice to the faithful standing. The faithful at this college parish were told to say the first name to the Extraordinary Minister and then the the EM would say, "Tom, the Body of Christ". After studying this procedure to see if Jesus was really present, I concluded that He was not because no one acted like he was was actually receiving God. So I concluded that I had misunderstood the priest's homily and went on for several more years not believing in the Real Presence and yet I faithfully received the Host every Sunday and Holy Day!!
@@MartinvonTours11.11 Fr. Murr has said in the past that there are even priests and bishops that don't believe in the real presence. UGH! And there are SO MANY miracles of evidence that indeed Jesus is really present in the consecrated host. Dear Jesus have mercy on us!!!
F. Murr is right, whoever formulated the questionnaire for the Synod did not want to know the honest answers from the people of God as that had already been decided by the hierarchy.
We don’t appreciate being deceived. Just like the Synod itself, Pope Francis has decided the conclusion well ahead of time.
It was no different from my work experience when they’d want to empower us by doing surveys or having meetings. They always got the answers they wanted.
@@johnholmes6667 "His heart is set." That is the answer I received while in Adoration. I wept for Pope Francis, as I wept for the Church.
Bravo, Fr. Murr!
Thank you Fr Murr..I have heard so many objections to TLM for they don't understand Latin. Epistles, gospel, homily are all in vernacular. Priest's prayers are to God, he is talking to the congregation.
The book, Nothing Superfluous, describes the beauty of the traditional Latin Mass. Each prayer and movement has significance, and the TL x m is a representation of Jesus’ sacrifice, his passion and death on the cross as the priest, in much humility, offers praise, glory and honor Hod. It is a unifier because no matter where you are in the world, all understand the Mass and can be tuned into everything together. The four appendices are as significant as the body of the book.
Looking back the logical conclusion us the vernacular had to be brought in so that the destruction could start from within the Church. The freemasons in 1914 approximately when St Maximilian Kolbe was in Rome - said that working to destroy the church from the outside was not working. A photo of them marching outside the perimeter of St Peter's at the time is still available with them wearing the masonic aprons.
That is absolutely correct! No need for a congress.. just don’t receive in the hand…receive on your knees with reverence on your tongue and only from a Priest or Deacon. Too many priests treat the Eucharist like they don’t believe in the real presence!
Excellent discussion! A blessed Easter to you and your listeners!
In my homeparish in Lund/Sweden (S:t Thomas församling), 90+ different nations are represented. Every sunday we have mass in swedish (with some latin) and also english evening mass. In the afternoon there is usually another mass in various languages. Before the intervention of Pope Francis we also had TLM almost every sunday which was another opportunity to go to mass, and of course that made life easier. I can manage mass in swedish, english & spanish. However afternoon mass in polish or ghez (East African) isn’t really an option.
Just to get an understanding of the disaster of mass in vernacular to the global unity of the church; do a little comparing with what is going on with the muslims in Europe!
They come from many countries and even different continents, yet they pray in the same way and everybody in arabic. Thus the muslims here naturally unite. At the moment I am fighting for that the little chapel in our main hospital, ”meditation room” is not completely turned into a mosque….
Thank you so much, Robert and Father Murr! We need to keep praying for our Pope and Heirarchy, to LISTEN to the people of God!
Our what? In your dreams
Our parish (FSSP) has the same red booklet for congregation to use during Mass. I find it most helpful. It also has prayers written by saints.
OLMC?
Per Father Murr, receive if you can, spiritual communion if you can't, and don't present your kids for a "blessing" at the communion rail! It's not an "everyone gets a medal" moment. Everyone present is receiving blessings all throughout. Be present, prayerful and attentive and Don't be a distraction to others in attendance.
Great observation. No distractions, especially the passing of peace as Jesus is on the altar and the focus is on Him at Latin Mass. Novus Ordo is a meal, meant to be an assembly, or as Protestants call a “fellowship. Focus is on the community instead of on God.
@@johnholmes6667 Agreed on the "sign of peace" stuff. I thank God I go to a Mass where the priest does NOT order the congregation to offer such to each other. I'm standing next to you, praying for you and your needs as much as my own - is that not enough! And all the disruption as we should be singing the Agnus Dei. Can't even....
Fr. Is Murr is very smart and I enjoy listening to him but..
he continualy overtalks his co anchor and interupts..Am I being too critical?
Fr Murr. Thank you and Please continue praying and working for those who want to worship as the saints did. Don’t be taken down by the wolves.
Love the Tridentine Mass. I could not return to the NO. I trust God will grant me the grace to continue going to our beautiful, holy and reverent Latin Mass. All glory and praise to
Almighty God and the Immaculate Mother of God. Thank you Fr. Murr.
I love watching Fr Murr on Faith and Reason. God bless you Fr Murr, and this podcast.
So if Paul VI knew he had been “played” by Bugnini, why didn’t he, the Pope, change course?
He believed he was doing what was best but was mislead. By the time he realized that "The Smoke of Satan had Entered the Sanctuary" ( his words), the train was gone. I read this in a good biography of him, but I don't remember the author.
@@teresaoftheandes6279he started it and he’s no saint
Perhaps he was blackmailed by the “stonecutters.”
It looks like a heavenly place to be right now. I so wish for my grandchildren to learn about the old liturgy and to have one available to attend. May Our good Lord provide. Amen 🙏❤️
JMJ+ I've been asking this question for years. I keep coming back to what I consider as cowardice.
Bravo fr Murr! greetings from Singapore !
It seems like Papa Francis is trying to turn our church into a club
Yes, he has already.
My issue is: why are we even trying to devise a ‘way’ to worship God when He gave us what He wanted in the first place? We had just popes and councils that solved the issue and infiltrators decided they wanted to destroy the church and Catholic faith.
Go back to giving God His due and stop wishing mere people could come up with a way to worship Him.
The Mass of all time w/o infiltrators is what we need. Worship God and not man.
So beautiful! A Most Blessed Easter Season!
Fr. Murr, thank you for speaking with clarity and conviction. This is what is so deeply needed in the church.
Constantly calling it "the old liturgy" or "the old Mass" pofanes the Body of Christ. It is the holy Mass of the Ages, eternal, beautiful, and efusive of God's grace. Equally offensive, if not downright embarrasing, is the obsequious grovelling in defense of indefensible doers of evil - despite FACTS to the contrary. Enough already! Man up! Please. I'm sorry if this causes offense, but there are llimits to patience when the Church is under such odious and ruinous persecution from within, as we have now.
Fr. Murr and Robert, I love all these discussions and the insight centering on Vatican II, the players and specifically the ensuing destruction of the liturgy. I, too, was an eyewitness to what took place in the 60s. Summorum Pontificum soothed my soul and it was a long time coming - decades, as a matter of fact. As I listened to you two Pilgrims this morning some lines from the old "Jeremiah Johnson" movie popped into my head for some strange reason. The second time Will Geer's character, Bear Claw Chris Lapp, meets up with Jeremiah, the exchange goes like this:
BCCL: You've come far Pilgrim.
JJ: Feels like far.
BCCL: Were it worth the trouble?
JJ: Huh? What trouble?
Sorry Robert, just because Pope Francis is in hospital when Traditiones is released doesn't mean he's not malignant... he may be cancer free in the medical realm.... but he may well be cancerous and malignant in the ecclesia sense.
I totally agree with Fr Murr! My little St Joseph's missal from grade school has latin on one side and english on the other! Latin is easily learned,just like any language!
Greetings to both of you. And congratulations to Fr. Murr on His renewal of vows. ❤ I'm glad to be guided on this podcast understanding where the church is and how to pray further for the church.❤
The new mass is the new Tower of Babel. If the mass is conducted in the vernacular, then how are visitors who do not understand the local language supposed to know if it is even an actual mass?
Fr Murr...THANK YOU for your description of the latin part of the Mass...i never knew that was the conversation between you and God.i will experience another level of worship, even in the novus ordo. I wish we could return to the latin mass.
To be able to worship God as the saints of centuries have done gives a choice for the people to make.
Haven't seen you fellas for 2 weeks. Hoping you didn't get burned by YT. 🙏
Weaponised ambiguity
SSPX
I have great respect for you both 👏
The NO Mass is decisive in that churches become specifically languaged based. When I visit my French Canadian friend, she goes to one Catholic Church,and I to another.
Has Robert read Pollyanna? Amazing mental gymnastics regarding Jorge Mario Bergoglios papacy. Duplicitous corrupt and vindictive but in the interests of 'balance' let's brush that to one side.
Yeah. I don’t like his popesplaining
If Pope Paul VI knew about Bugnini and removed him to Iran, why on God’s good earth would he maintain and implement the Novus Ordo?
The Novus Ordo is destroying the Catholic Church,
Possibly it was too late. The dismantling of the TLM started with a new missal in 1964, which abolished the psalm ‘judica me’ at the foot of the altar, had the first part of the mass and readings in vernacular, and retained Latin for the canon. I recall our curate saying that probably the canon would always be in Latin. After that further changes were made piecemeal until the publication of the new mass in 1969. People were fed up with changes by then. It appears that Bugnini’s masonry was not viewed by Montini as vitiating the liturgical reform.
Sorry Mr Moynihan, but your defense of Annibale Bugnini is beyond the pale.
Benedicite from Huntington, Indiana!
I do have that!
Fr Murr's is a great suggestion except that under this pontificate, "People of God" doesn't mean practising faithful Catholics. It apparently means EVERYONE ELSE, including Protestants, athiests, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, rainbow-touting homosexuals and lesbians, among other misfits. THEY are the pnes who get a say under the new (anti-Catholic) Synodal Church structure.
Talk about giving the benefit of the doubt to a ridiculous fault! Dr. Moynihan's objectivity defies credulity, making him unable to see what is right under his nose. I suppose that if you are going to travel in the Vatican circles that he does, his discretion is the better part of his valor.
I prefer the Novus Ordo too- it’s just a preference. I don’t know why we can’t have both.
And I know who the priest is praying to at the Consecration. I get that. I still like hearing it in English. I’m not showing disdain for Latin Mass at all. Of course I’ll attend it if that is what the Church says to do. But I still prefer what I’ve been raised in. The Novus Ordo.
Although I think the NO Mass, which I normally attend, is a stripped- down version of the TLM, I would object to the NOM being withheld from people. When they forced the new Mass on us in 1969 there were many people who left the church-stats are harsh. I’d predict the same would happen if they did that again with the TLM. Let’s not forget the purpose of the church is to save souls.
Someone had mentioned in chat about the old Mass in vernacular. My understanding that doing the TLM in anything but Latin was STRICTLY forbidden. I believe "anathema" was the word used. Could Father Murr please address in the next podcast? I'm afraid people truly do not understand church doctrine in this matter. People need to understand you can't go running willy nilly hither and yon with matter and form of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
If people want to learn French or Spanish or Chinese, they'd study it. People don't put in the effort to know, love and serve God
What is the red booklet referred to so I can buy it?
Where does FR Murr live and practice today
Sorry, Robert, but in 1989 the Marian Movement of Priests [ To The Priests, Our
Lady's Beloved Sons, #406g "The Beast Like a Lamb with two horns" ] revealed
that " . . the task of ECCLESIASTICAL FREEMASONRY is to DESTROY Christ and
His Church, building a NEW IDOL, a false christ and a false church . . "
In a nutshell, the track record of Jorge Bergoglio [ yes, Pope Francis ] has been
the incremental dismantling of the Catholic Church . . and proceeding apace "as
we speak" [ the so-called "synod on synodality" . . discuss, discuss, discuss ! ]
General of the Jesuits Fr. Kolvenbach checked out Bergoglio, found him seriously
wanting, and in his report said this Archbishop [ Cardinal ?? ] was N O T fit to be
"Papabile", to be Pope. That report went missing! My haunch is that the "St. Gallen
Mafia" made sure of that. We're dealing here with high-end international Freemasonry.
?, fr. murr, why did'nt Benedict release the report?
Did Robert meet Satan( Lucifer)?
@39:00 ff It seems to me, Robert, that "see no evil . . etc. . " might be a workable
policy for a parent dealing with sneaky kids; they possess the corrective as Parents.
But with Francis, Robert, you seem to be invincibly [ ? ] blind to attempts on the
Church's DESTRUCTION even as a possibility. But for myself, after his 10-year
pontificate, Francis is a scoundrel: he PLAYS the trust given by his chosen, until
they are no longer "chosen", for some slight [ or open criticism ] of HIS [ PERSONAL ]
opinions, writings, air-borne remarks. Francis is STILL the Jorge he was as a 14-year-
old idol-worshipper AND avid STUDENT of Juan Perôn, becoming, in the process,
another Latino DICTATOR. You can't change a leopard's spots: "My way or the highway".
But, rest assured, we here on the Alberta Prairies, pray for Francis Morning & Evening
[ St. Micahel's Chaplet; Ste. Thérèse for Priests; St. Joseph; the evening Rosary ].
Popesplainer Robert. Ugh😊
Listen to the people of God? Father is convinced it's the traditional voices. But no. The novus ordo parishes and their congregations vastly outnumber those in the vetus ordo. And they like things fine. They are not confused. The 83% stripped from the new mass (for only 13% remains) were the hard bits. Just at Easter, the editing out of Judas' suicide (because we want to celebrate the lives of our suicided friends at their funerals) and the editing of Mathew's parable of the master who gave his servants talents, and in the new mass version there's no scolding of the guy who got one talent and buried it, because we don't like those bad stories. That ending was just dropped. No. Those people of God are happy with the new Catholicism lite and the rainbow banners and the divorced couples sitting right up front and the abortion and the contraception. Just as Anglicans like their bloody faith. Just as Calvinists and Lutherans like theirs. Until they become atheists and are no longer the 'people of God.'
In response to Father's comment that the servers don't need to understand because the prayers are not directed to them : ? Why are there servers then? and why are they asked to respond and pray with the priest if it is only for the priest praying to God?
That is done to teach future individuals who are looking at pursuing that life mission
@jameshustoles87 could you send a link to the source of this? please
May I suggest to go back to minute 17 in the talk and listen again Father does give the proper understanding, the Mass is a sacrifice to God in which the Preist is performing the Holy Sacrifice to God as Jesus taught the Apostles,the alter boys are there to aid the Preist ,they can learn and will if they so choose but what makes any Mass valid is what the Preist does and says as taught by Jesus it does not become invalid or valid because of the Alter servers .Fr Hesse ,Fr.Ripperger FrNix are a couple who have talks on this you can easily find. Please let me know if this helps. God Bless
You ask a fair question. The first I can answer. The second I cannot. The alter servers are there to assist the priest and they perform in numerous ways that do just that. Additionally, they serve as a means of exploring if they themselves have a vocation to the priesthood. Hopefully someone smarter than me can answer your second question.
DEEP SIX VATICAN II.