I was initially a little disappointed with my '23 690's performance in the low/mid range in stock form ... but after adding the Rotty airbox + PC6 (with map switch) + slip-on this thing is an absolute beast! So much fun to ride now. Really appreciate all the effort y'all put into development for these things - the results show it!
Thanks, another great video with lots of great information on what it takes to get a good map. Didnt know the latest power commander dynos could do eddy current loading....thought they were only inertia types....cool
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it. Gotta love a proper map! We have every bell and whistle you can get on our dyno so we can be sure we are getting the best and most accurate information and measurements. It's actually kind of fun to use it to see things that are otherwise impossible to measure. Sometimes we even do 'health checks' on bikes that we have data on when they were brand new just to see if anything has deteriorated over time.
Got a 2023 Husqvarna 701. Put 1,000 miles on it before the new year and installed a Wings slip on without DB killer and placed an order for an intake + power commander 6! Counting the days till it gets here. Bike is already wild I know this will send it into another dimension
Excellent video and very informative, I have the 2022 euro 5 701 and had the choice when I purchased new of either the Ktm, Gas Gas or the 701 so I spent the day much to the dealers surprise road testing all 3 and I felt the 701 was just better out of the box. Not saying it is the “best” but to me personally I gelled with the 701 and have now enjoyed adding to it. This kind of video is great to pin point what we are actually trying to achieve by modding the bikes. Cheers
Damn I was getting excited with the massive power and torque gains......till I read in the comments that the 700 you were tuning was a Euro4 and not a Euro5. We here in Australia have the Euro5 since 2021 as someone else said in the comments. My new 2022 suffers from asthma in the low to mid rev range and Im very disappointed. It would be great for you to get a Euro5 on the test bed and see what you can do with it. Will keep an eye out for any commentary. There's some money out there to be made guys if you can crack the encoded ECU and piggyback a PC6.
We are working on it. Those bikes don't get over here and getting one of every model is just not cost effective but we have some solutions that are in the oven. Stay tuned.
Absolutely and thank you. We will have an entire series on these bikes and what they respond to. Our viewers really love these videos so we will keep them coming!
Agreed! Thanks for watching. Here is a link to the Quick Flip Mirror Mounts (Hindsight Kit) we were running on this bike: www.rottweilerperformance.com/quick-flip-mirror-mounts-hindsight-kit/
The video linked below is pretty much that. The 890 ultimate build would be idententical to this to some degree, but just with an 890 motor. th-cam.com/video/Eli2d9ht2oU/w-d-xo.html
@@AustrisPhoto We probably will. The thing about videos is that when you find something cool to do that people like and you hit on that, then you need to go back and do the same for all of them (or should) so we have actually been talking internally about dovetailing in videos at the end of testing that showed you, the viewers everything we found interesting about the bike and what happened along the way when we were testing different things. One we plan on doing soon is what happens to the power and air fuel ratios when you remove the cat and the theory behind all of it. We think that one will be really interesting to people and we have a lot to share there to dispel the myths that are put out there by some somewhat questionable companies.
Thanks to Chris & co. for doing the work for us and proving it via the dynovenue. I have a new (2023) 690 with just a few miles so adding engine-based mods is not in the cards until the warranty elapses however I would be interested to get your take on what you would add and in what order once the modding threshold has been reached - here is your potential shopping cart: (these are all Rottweiler-sourced). 1. Fueling dongle. 2. Exhaust (just the can, no header) 3. Intake system 4. SAS/canister removal kit 5. Dynojet PC6. Did I miss anything? Feel free to add up to 3 items at one time. Last question: What do you think a more linear fuel/air delivery will do to the longevity of the engine internals - I get that too lean is harmful. Have you torn down an engine after tweaking it to inspect? Again, thanks for the great products, excellent customer service (already had the opportunity to be part of yours!), and for doing your 'homework' and sharing it with us.
Just stick all the mods on now, better for the bike in the long run because it runs cooler with the fueling and timing advance mods from the PC6. The bike is a lemon without these mods.
I added a fuel dongle to mine while still in warranty. Takes 5 minutes to add or remove it. Leave the O2 sensor in place and just seal the open plug from dirt with electrical tape. The dongle noticeably reduced the jerkiness at low throttle openings which meant I could ride in at least one gear higher. It didn't completely eliminate the jerkiness but was well worth the improvement for such a small cost outlay. This was on a 2020 KTM 690 and it was not a Rottweiller supplied dongle.
How does the PowerCommander 6 work with the factory map switch? Can I switch between a power map and an economy map with the factor switch as well as operate TC? Thanks
That's a great and common question. They don't effect them at all. They simply modify by percentage what is happening 'below' it, so whatever the stock ECU is telling the injectors to do, it modifies that by a pre determined percentage that is the map installed. So whatever position you are in, it will work perfectly well with that. On the larger bikes that have 'rain' and 'street' and 'race' modes, those are cocktails of traction control, throttle sloping and ABS, none of which are really alterations of the fueling like some believe.
Unfortunately the 2022 models in Australia are Euro spec, which don't respond to the fueling dongles. We are working on some solutions for them though.
Here are links to the two kits we have. What you see in the video is the first one below! The second link is by far our most popular although a bit more expensive because of the high quality CRG mirrors. shop.rottweilerperformance.com/quick-flip-mirror-mounts-hindsight-kit/ shop.rottweilerperformance.com/quick-flip-mirror-mount-kit-arrow-kit/
Thanks for a great video. Is the throttle opening 0-60% for the closed loop? If I use a fuel dongle, when does it stop dumping fuel in the closed loop?
The fuel dongle helps fill in closed loop by tricking the bike into thinking the exhaust gasses are lean, so it only works in closed loop which is really where you need it. Open loop can use some adjustment, and that can be done with a Power Commander in addition to the fueling dongle. We have great maps for that bike!
Thanks, unfortunately, here in Australia, my Gas Gas ES 700 is euro 5, so will have to wait for someone to come out with a solution apart from a fuel dongle.@@RottweilerPerformance
Super cool video, you guys don’t take a break! After moving and setting up the new spots you guys jump right back into it! Would I be ok ratio wise to use just the Rottweiler intake and fueling doingles on my 690?
On the 690 yes, at minimum. The fueling dongles are basically like a pilot jet in a carb, they only help low end. For full mapping you'll need a Powercommander and it's worth every penny on that bike. Really good results.
No doubt haha, love it though! Rottweiler is a super cool company, love the work you guys do! I’m stuck on upgrading my 690 enduro or putting it towards a 890 adv r lol. Why not both?!
Would the Australian models get the same benefits from what you've shown in the video or are they released with a different tune standard? I'd assume we would adopt the euro settings here.
@@mikeemery8846 It's hard to say. Getting a Euro 5 bike in the states is not easy and we are looking for partners in the EU to help us understand the differences of the EU bikes and what they respond to. If you would like to work with us with some information reach out to our team at info@rottweilerperformance.com and let's see what we can do.
Are the maps you made for the Svartpilen 701similar to these? And I mean as far as really good AFR's like I see on this video. I am considering selling my Svartpilen 701 because of how horrible it is to ride at lower speeds and RPM's due to the motor being so lean. My last effort to improve it would be an arrow decat and the power commander you guys sell, if the tuning was aimed at fixing the awful AFR's on the stock map.
You should have no issue using our maps on the Svartpillen. We think you'll really love this bike after putting on a Power Commander. Reach out to our tech help at info@rottweilerperformance.com and hit them up to see what we have for that bike.
Super informative video, thanks so much! Question... I have the Rade Garage front fuel tank that comes with an intake which deletes the airbox, similar to the Rottweiler. The bike is otherwise stock. Would your power commander tune (along with compatible muffler) be applicable to my bike (2023 701 Enduro)?
Sort of. The intake that comes with that kit isn't good for any power. We have dyno tested them and they are about the same as stock, except they are oiled foam and very small so they tend to load up fast. A Powercommander will work great on that bike, but you'll want to use maps that say 'STOCK INTAKE' and not use the ones for the Rottweiler Intake System because they have more fuel because, more air.
People say "red KTM" like it's a bad thing. Do we not like to have color options in virtually EVERYTHING we buy? Am I only allowed to have a blue Mustang or a red Civic? And the fact is, there are important differences between the orange, yellow, and red versions of their entire lineup. As someone who owned multiple first gen LC4 and RFS supermoto bikes, these 700s look like really fantastic street bikes.
What we mean by that is if the motor is really different or not. We like color choices as much as the next person, but the context was really about if this bike was that different or not in the tuning department. We did mention that the bike was really great looking though.
@@RottweilerPerformance I understood that but the negative connotation is silly. They are all great bikes, even if they are very similar. I don't think anyone who knows anything about them expects them to be different. That's just not their business model as shown by their entire model lineup across all three brands.
So i guess all maps are made with an open exhaust, but i can't possibly ride on the dirt roads around here like that because it gives the farmers to much time to go and fetch the shovel and wait around a corner. How much difference does a db killer make? Is it making it run too rich instead?
@@cyclemoto8744 not for necessarily for power, although they are pretty dead on low revs. But they are very lean stock, making them overheat. I put on a fuel dongle and a power commander on my 2019 (euro4). Almost have too much torque now but i don't run with the fan on all day anymore. Starts sometimes, when expected.
DB Killers are fine. They are just hard on the packing inside the muffler because it creates some extra pressure and heat inside. Mapping wise sometimes we make maps with DB killers or spark arrestors, but for the most part you can run a map made for without one, with one, no problem.
This bike was broken in on the Dyno, oil changed to synthetic and then all the mapping and runs were completed. The 'breaking in' period the manufacturer asks for is really just a suggestion that's good to follow but not law We use the dyno for all of our break ins because we can, but we would suggest checking out our break in video on the Adventure 1290 for more info on that. th-cam.com/video/h8FMY1svmrA/w-d-xo.html
To be honest, internal stuff reduces the demand by quite a bit mainly because of the diminishing returns for 'dollar to horsepower' ratios. There are very few customers that really want to go that deep so we focus on the big gains that are easy, affordable and accessible by almost every kind of owner/rider. That isn't to say we won't do more internal stuff at some point though.
@@RottweilerPerformance I asked because in the video he mentioned that they were considering going into the motor for more gains. I thought perhaps that meant a cam & gasket change that could provide a little tighter quench and a bit of compression. A relatively easy few HP that could safely be had with premium petrol for “an edge” that many would pay for on a popular motor that has long experienced high sales and a strong following.
Interesting video thanks! You mentioned an engine light with the 700/690/701 due to the narrow band o2 sensor finding a rich condition after tuning. Is this something that all of the newer 700’s will encounter if tuned with a Power Commander? Just to confirm you were still running the o2 sensor in this video? Does all this info apply in the same way to European and Australian 700’s?
awesome video! the bike likes the fueling to be a little richer. Is that because of the construction of the engine (bigger bore and shorter stroke than the old 690 engine) or because of the parts you added to it?
Larger bores seem to like a bit more fuel. The big twins respond well to it as well. It's not a necessity with the twins, but the big single is about as large a piston as you would want and the burn characteristics seem to thrive on it.
Hello, I just purchased a 2023 Gasgas 700. I want to remove the rear pegs. I noticed the bike in this video has heel guards. Which brand are they?Thanks
This link if for the Power Commander 6 for the GG 700. If you also purchase an intake and a muffler, just leave in the comments on the PC6 page or upon checkout that you would like it mapped for this group of parts. Simple as that! shop.rottweilerperformance.com/dynojet-power-commander-6-for-gas-gas-700-es-sm-2022/
I got everything on my bike, 690 PC, with the ballz out map, is this the ballz out map for the power commander 6 ?, thanks.......top horspower is what?
Maps will be released for this bike this next week (Jan 7 2023), but we already have maps for both the PC5 and PC6 for your bike. Top HP on this bike was around 72 to the tire recorded as SAE.
I live in europe and gone buy a 690-701 probably gone get a left over 2022 GasGas. They have Kat in the silencer and are tune 12,5 in fuel to get the Kat hot enough, that makes the silencer so hot that it melts the blinker lights and not possible to have side bag. Im gone make mine to be a rally bike and TET so gone change the exhaust system to a more open air and no Kat but that makes the bike to lean. Is a fuel dongle on the nox sensor gone work for that? Are gone get a european distributor for Rottweiler?
The fuel dongle should be looked at similar to a pilot jet. They really only work on the bottom of the RPM range. They work really well for putting around and keeping the bike smooth and help it to not stall, but for full mapping purposes we would highly recommend a Powercommander for that bike. They work wonders.
how much it costs for all the rotty intake, exhaust and pc6? assuming at least 1500? I think this is too much for an already expensive bike! it make me hesitant to buy that bike knowing that it is not so enjoyable without those.
You are certainly entitled to that opinion. The bike is enjoyable without our products, but that much more enjoyable with our products. That's about the long and the short of it.
Not with the stock intake. That is so clogged up a muffler alone won't matter much in terms of mapping, but if you are looking for up to 12hp to the tire, a Rottweiler Intake System, Muffler and PC6 is the ticket for sure. shop.rottweilerperformance.com/dynojet-power-commander-6-for-gas-gas-700-es-sm-2022/
No they do not. On some we can unplug the O2's and map them with a PC6 but only with an engine light showing. Some people don't care much about that, so we offer it, but they do not work 100% because some of those bikes can't be fooled with O2 optimizers.@@Baphomet_biker
Currently we do not but we do ship hundreds of packages internationally every day. Rally Motor would be the closest but they apparently do not ship to the UK from what I'm hearing.
Thanks for your question! We don't carry the Wings Exhaust, but we have a number of other options from Arrow & Tekmo. This is definitely a good place to start if you are looking to achieve more power on your 701: Rottweiler Performance Intake: www.rottweilerperformance.com/rottweiler-intake-system-701-husky/ , DynoJet PowerCommander 6: www.rottweilerperformance.com/dynojet-power-commander-6-for-husqvarna-701-enduro-sm-2016/ , Tekmo Racing Header: www.rottweilerperformance.com/tekmo-racing-titanium-header-690-701-all/ , Tekmo Racing Muffler: www.rottweilerperformance.com/tekmo-titanium-racing-muffler-690-701-all/ , Rottweiler Performance SAS/Canister Removal Kit: www.rottweilerperformance.com/sas-canister-removal-kit-ktm-hqv-gg-690-701/
Hi! I have 2017 smc-r ktm. I cant find powercommander anywhere and does this bike even need it? I have evo 1. And second i buyed this dna filter. They says that if i wanna put that on i have to put stage 2? Hows that working
Hello Stan, Yes, we have PowerCommander for a 2017 KTM 690 SMC-R here: www.rottweilerperformance.com/dynojet-power-commander-v-for-ktm-690-enduro-smc-2014-2018/ . Feel free to look at getting one of those! Give us a call regarding map options for your model before you purchase to make sure this part is right for you. Our support number is 844-768-7373.
I just purchased your fueling dongle today I’m going to get the PC and the intake in pieces so when my factory warranty expires I will be ready . What’s your recommendation on the muffler?
@@bryanlewelling4435 We carry quite a few for that bike. For lightness we would look at Arrow. For sound abatement I would look at Tekmo with the twin core outlets. Those bikes put out some big bangs with the big pistons, so opening them up and keeping them quiet at the same time can be tricky.
I don't understand how by adding a controller to extend the injector dwell to richen the fuel when the cpu with ox sensor will just adjust the dwell back to the original 02 level.
This bike does not do that with a piggyback because there are O2 optimizers that get installed in place of the O2 that richens the mixture in closed loop and stops the ECU from hunting for 14.7 AFR by tricking it into thinking the air fuel ratios in the exhaust system are the same all the time. If you installed a piggyback without our fueling dongles (included only with Power Commanders from Rottweiler Performance and not Dynojet), and had any mapping in closed loop you would be correct in that the bike would just undo the corrections.
@@RottweilerPerformance As an control engineer that doesn't make sense but I'll take your word for it. Wait a minute. I thought I've read that removing the 02 sensor richens the fuel at least with the stock ecu. My point was concerning a piggy back fuel controller. Interesting conversation.
@@mxbadboy263 Last reply edited, we misunderstood the question as we were in the middle of answering some other similar questions elsewhere. See new reply above.
Not at all. What you are reading is the beginning or start of the run on the dyno and they always look like that with a little ramp up. We load the bike at the lowest RPM the bike will allow us to and start from there and those dips should really be trimmed off but we didn’t. You can’t really measure HP well at very low RPMs on a dyno. We can tune there, and measure air fuel ratios there, but turning a heavy drum at those low RPMs doesn’t measure well. These mods make a ton of HP from bottom to top.
Thank you very much for the offer, but a muffler is a muffler is a muffler in terms of tuning. Brand doesn’t matter nor does stuffed or not very much. Now, if you want to lend us one to just ride, we’ll certainly take you up on that. ;)
As in for a client or as in at all? The thing about tuning is that there mostly isn't a specific area to focus on. You just focus on it all, so it's all usually just better. It's not like a header pipe that may have different diameters or lengths that could dictate 'low' or 'high' end power. Fuel tuning just gets you to the best place possible regardless of what you are doing with it. Ignition is a bit different because it can really effect the rideability of the bike depending on what you are doing with it, so that part of 'tuning' is a bit different than the fuel part.
Here is a link to what is in the video: shop.rottweilerperformance.com/quick-flip-mirror-mounts-hindsight-kit/ Here is a link to our Arrow mirrors that probably sell about 100:1 to the one above: shop.rottweilerperformance.com/quick-flip-mirror-mount-kit-arrow-kit/ Hope this helps!
Building a ktm 2019 690 turbo. Soon ready to dyno. Running 9 psi 98octane gas. Any tip on how much timing retard? Using powercommander and auto. Plan was to retard one degree pr psi off boost.
We are working on flashing those so stay tuned. The PCV's work with ignition advance which is responsible for making a lot of the power on those bikes so it should work without fuel in closed loop and ignition advances throughout.
Not sure what context we would have told someone that unless it was about a specific 2023 model that is problematic in terms of tuning with a Power Commander to which there are a couple of models we have not cracked yet, but most of them, especially Kehin powered models can be tuned with a Power Commander unless they are Euro 5 690-701 which makes things a bit more tricky. We can't get a Euro 5 690-701 bike in the US so we haven't really had the chance to see what we can do there. It's all a matter of time with some of these bikes. In terms of the 700 US model, there is no issue tuning it with a Power Commander.
@@RottweilerPerformance thx for the reply...i picked mine up in canada...2022. so its not a euro 5...im so confused...what do you recommend for my 2022 husky 701...can i buy a power commander from you with a map that will work. im not crazy for the power. just want an exhaust and a K and N filter....please let me know what you think...im doing a trip around costa rica in june. i was thinking the block of plates and a different exhaust to get rid of the cat...thx so much
@@diyoff-road4589 If the bike is not Euro 5 than you are fine with a Power Commander and will be very happy. You just need to tell us what's on the bike and we will pre map it with a custom tune that will really make the bike wake up and ride smoothly without stalling and sputtering. Check here: www.rottweilerperformance.com/dynojet-power-commander-6-for-husqvarna-701-enduro-sm-2016/
@@RottweilerPerformance How to know if a bike is Euro5 or not? I've bought a '22 701SM here in New Zealand. We get Euro models rather than US models I believe, but I don't know if they are Euro5 compliant or not.
Congratulation for the Video. very very Nice i just bought a new KTM MY 2023 SMC 690 R and i was an ex possessor of some previous models of KTM SMC 690. Unfortunately this KTM is the worst bike i bought in my life. the engine is completely closed ( due to probably euro 5 and catalizer ). i just did 800 km but i really have to modify it, because in alternative i will seel the bike. i am very interested in your products and i would like to buy a kit. do you have a phone contact where i can call ?
Motor and mapping wise there is very little difference. The frame is a 2019+ KTM that's red but we have all come to understand that a majority of the differences between KTM, Husqvarna and GASGAS are the accoutrement. The dashes, the plastics, the shape and look, and the electronics are basically the differences and while GASGAS has positioned itself to be the 'more affordable' KTM, it's all pretty much the same stuff without the nice details of a KTM or Husky.
The red on the 700 is just so awesome looking. Love the 701 and 690 but the 700 takes the cake for looks.
We agree. It does look sharp!
Great video. One of the best tuning overviews I've seen. Good work guys 👍🏼
Wow, thanks! Glad it was helpful.
Nice video, thanks.
Good explaining, difference between eddy current and inertia.
Great video 👍
Thanks for watching! and the encouragement. Cheers.
I was initially a little disappointed with my '23 690's performance in the low/mid range in stock form ... but after adding the Rotty airbox + PC6 (with map switch) + slip-on this thing is an absolute beast! So much fun to ride now. Really appreciate all the effort y'all put into development for these things - the results show it!
The sm or no
@@mikebishop6095 enduro r
Thanks, another great video with lots of great information on what it takes to get a good map. Didnt know the latest power commander dynos could do eddy current loading....thought they were only inertia types....cool
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it. Gotta love a proper map! We have every bell and whistle you can get on our dyno so we can be sure we are getting the best and most accurate information and measurements. It's actually kind of fun to use it to see things that are otherwise impossible to measure. Sometimes we even do 'health checks' on bikes that we have data on when they were brand new just to see if anything has deteriorated over time.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you for allowing us to!
It's very interesting. Thanks a lot 👍
Looks like Jurgen Klopp got a tuning shop here in the states.
Then he must be a good looking fellow!
Haha
Got a 2023 Husqvarna 701. Put 1,000 miles on it before the new year and installed a Wings slip on without DB killer and placed an order for an intake + power commander 6! Counting the days till it gets here. Bike is already wild I know this will send it into another dimension
Didn't think pc6 worked on euro5 bikes
Excellent video and very informative, I have the 2022 euro 5 701 and had the choice when I purchased new of either the Ktm, Gas Gas or the 701 so I spent the day much to the dealers surprise road testing all 3 and I felt the 701 was just better out of the box.
Not saying it is the “best” but to me personally I gelled with the 701 and have now enjoyed adding to it.
This kind of video is great to pin point what we are actually trying to achieve by modding the bikes.
Cheers
that stuff does not work on euro5 ECUs
Really excited to run this bike this weekend at the track. Thanks again for everything. Extremely stoked!!
Thank you! We appreciate you letting us borrow it. Enjoy!
How does it run as a track Bike?
@@TheSpainy For super moto? Hard to beat. They are excellent in that category and riders really seem to love them.
@@RottweilerPerformance Good to know. How does it compare to a 450 sm?
Wow guys, that's a great video! I was so drawn into it that half an hour flew like 5 minutes)
Damn I was getting excited with the massive power and torque gains......till I read in the comments that the 700 you were tuning was a Euro4 and not a Euro5.
We here in Australia have the Euro5 since 2021 as someone else said in the comments. My new 2022 suffers from asthma in the low to mid rev range and Im very disappointed. It would be great for you to get a Euro5 on the test bed and see what you can do with it. Will keep an eye out for any commentary. There's some money out there to be made guys if you can crack the encoded ECU and piggyback a PC6.
Same!
We are working on it. Those bikes don't get over here and getting one of every model is just not cost effective but we have some solutions that are in the oven. Stay tuned.
Excellent, thank you
I'm sold! Great review
Loved it
Keep it coming
Absolutely and thank you. We will have an entire series on these bikes and what they respond to. Our viewers really love these videos so we will keep them coming!
I chuckled a bit when he stated you live at 25-40% throttle.. Baby I live at wide open more than 50%
That’s the spirit!!
SAME !!!
ya ok tuffguy
In reality you’re the guy who lives at 10% throttle or less. Or maybe you ride a Honda grom
Wow what a red rocket this gas gas is 👍 what type of end mirrors are on this bike they are fantastic
Agreed! Thanks for watching. Here is a link to the Quick Flip Mirror Mounts (Hindsight Kit) we were running on this bike: www.rottweilerperformance.com/quick-flip-mirror-mounts-hindsight-kit/
Coolest bike around today! Seeing if you can get over 70 hp!
We may get another project bike and do some internal engine work to get that done and then some. Stay tuned.
Cams!!
Any update on this?
love it. Just bought a '22 701. Wings exhaust in transit. Looking at rotttweiler intake and PC5 or 6 ... yum .. .
That's honestly one of our most popular packages. We make BIG HP on that bike and they run so much smoother. You'll be happy.
Excellent video. Thank you
I’m doing this for my 23 701.
You'll love it! Thanks for the comment.
Cool 🤘🏻
Would be interesting to see best possible (money is no object) version for 2022 890 bike 😊
The video linked below is pretty much that. The 890 ultimate build would be idententical to this to some degree, but just with an 890 motor.
th-cam.com/video/Eli2d9ht2oU/w-d-xo.html
I ment video like this just for 890 😊
@@AustrisPhoto We probably will. The thing about videos is that when you find something cool to do that people like and you hit on that, then you need to go back and do the same for all of them (or should) so we have actually been talking internally about dovetailing in videos at the end of testing that showed you, the viewers everything we found interesting about the bike and what happened along the way when we were testing different things. One we plan on doing soon is what happens to the power and air fuel ratios when you remove the cat and the theory behind all of it. We think that one will be really interesting to people and we have a lot to share there to dispel the myths that are put out there by some somewhat questionable companies.
Any updates for Euro5 bikes? (europe models)
Nothing for Power Commander for EU5, and nothing on the horizon, but we are working on other alternatives as I type. Keep an eye on us.
Great video guys! ♥️
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
Great video, well explained 👌
Glad you enjoyed it! More to come.
What power losses do you typically see when you use the DB killer insert installed in the Arrow slip-in’s?
1 to 2 hp here and there. It's not significant, but certainly not what an engine likes. Plus they are harder on the packing.
Thanks to Chris & co. for doing the work for us and proving it via the dynovenue. I have a new (2023) 690 with just a few miles so adding engine-based mods is not in the cards until the warranty elapses however I would be interested to get your take on what you would add and in what order once the modding threshold has been reached - here is your potential shopping cart: (these are all Rottweiler-sourced). 1. Fueling dongle. 2. Exhaust (just the can, no header) 3. Intake system 4. SAS/canister removal kit 5. Dynojet PC6. Did I miss anything? Feel free to add up to 3 items at one time. Last question: What do you think a more linear fuel/air delivery will do to the longevity of the engine internals - I get that too lean is harmful. Have you torn down an engine after tweaking it to inspect? Again, thanks for the great products, excellent customer service (already had the opportunity to be part of yours!), and for doing your 'homework' and sharing it with us.
Just stick all the mods on now, better for the bike in the long run because it runs cooler with the fueling and timing advance mods from the PC6. The bike is a lemon without these mods.
I added a fuel dongle to mine while still in warranty. Takes 5 minutes to add or remove it. Leave the O2 sensor in place and just seal the open plug from dirt with electrical tape. The dongle noticeably reduced the jerkiness at low throttle openings which meant I could ride in at least one gear higher. It didn't completely eliminate the jerkiness but was well worth the improvement for such a small cost outlay. This was on a 2020 KTM 690 and it was not a Rottweiller supplied dongle.
How does the PowerCommander 6 work with the factory map switch? Can I switch between a power map and an economy map with the factor switch as well as operate TC? Thanks
That's a great and common question. They don't effect them at all. They simply modify by percentage what is happening 'below' it, so whatever the stock ECU is telling the injectors to do, it modifies that by a pre determined percentage that is the map installed. So whatever position you are in, it will work perfectly well with that. On the larger bikes that have 'rain' and 'street' and 'race' modes, those are cocktails of traction control, throttle sloping and ABS, none of which are really alterations of the fueling like some believe.
@@RottweilerPerformance That's awesome, thanks!
Hey guys I’m looking at getting a power commander for my 2022 gas gas 700, I’m from Australia, I’m confused if this will work on my bike cheers.
Unfortunately the 2022 models in Australia are Euro spec, which don't respond to the fueling dongles. We are working on some solutions for them though.
Hi mate did you come up with any power tuning options for Aus model bikes?
collect my Husquavarna 701 on Monday ! Excited 😂
Great video, I noticed the mirrors and the guard mounts. Do you sell these and what model are they. Thanks
Here are links to the two kits we have. What you see in the video is the first one below! The second link is by far our most popular although a bit more expensive because of the high quality CRG mirrors.
shop.rottweilerperformance.com/quick-flip-mirror-mounts-hindsight-kit/
shop.rottweilerperformance.com/quick-flip-mirror-mount-kit-arrow-kit/
@@RottweilerPerformance Thank you
Thanks for a great video. Is the throttle opening 0-60% for the closed loop? If I use a fuel dongle, when does it stop dumping fuel in the closed loop?
The fuel dongle helps fill in closed loop by tricking the bike into thinking the exhaust gasses are lean, so it only works in closed loop which is really where you need it. Open loop can use some adjustment, and that can be done with a Power Commander in addition to the fueling dongle. We have great maps for that bike!
Thanks, unfortunately, here in Australia, my Gas Gas ES 700 is euro 5, so will have to wait for someone to come out with a solution apart from a fuel dongle.@@RottweilerPerformance
Working on that so 'stay tuned' so to speak...@@EricBanner571
Super cool video, you guys don’t take a break! After moving and setting up the new spots you guys jump right back into it!
Would I be ok ratio wise to use just the Rottweiler intake and fueling doingles on my 690?
On the 690 yes, at minimum. The fueling dongles are basically like a pilot jet in a carb, they only help low end. For full mapping you'll need a Powercommander and it's worth every penny on that bike. Really good results.
Thank you! I appreciate the help, and just like that you guys got me saving up for a power commander now lol
@@frostygonz It's a slippery slope with us! 😀
No doubt haha, love it though! Rottweiler is a super cool company, love the work you guys do! I’m stuck on upgrading my 690 enduro or putting it towards a 890 adv r lol. Why not both?!
@@frostygonz Just do what we do. Own them all!! (Insert evil laugh here)
Would the Australian models get the same benefits from what you've shown in the video or are they released with a different tune standard? I'd assume we would adopt the euro settings here.
They do unfortunately. We are working on solutions for them though.
Great video.
Really glad you enjoyed it. Thank you for commenting!
@@RottweilerPerformance - I've found a left over 2022 which is Euro 5 - would you know if the above performance gains would match our version?
@@mikeemery8846 It's hard to say. Getting a Euro 5 bike in the states is not easy and we are looking for partners in the EU to help us understand the differences of the EU bikes and what they respond to. If you would like to work with us with some information reach out to our team at info@rottweilerperformance.com and let's see what we can do.
Are the maps you made for the Svartpilen 701similar to these? And I mean as far as really good AFR's like I see on this video. I am considering selling my Svartpilen 701 because of how horrible it is to ride at lower speeds and RPM's due to the motor being so lean. My last effort to improve it would be an arrow decat and the power commander you guys sell, if the tuning was aimed at fixing the awful AFR's on the stock map.
You should have no issue using our maps on the Svartpillen. We think you'll really love this bike after putting on a Power Commander. Reach out to our tech help at info@rottweilerperformance.com and hit them up to see what we have for that bike.
Super informative video, thanks so much!
Question... I have the Rade Garage front fuel tank that comes with an intake which deletes the airbox, similar to the Rottweiler. The bike is otherwise stock. Would your power commander tune (along with compatible muffler) be applicable to my bike (2023 701 Enduro)?
Sort of. The intake that comes with that kit isn't good for any power. We have dyno tested them and they are about the same as stock, except they are oiled foam and very small so they tend to load up fast. A Powercommander will work great on that bike, but you'll want to use maps that say 'STOCK INTAKE' and not use the ones for the Rottweiler Intake System because they have more fuel because, more air.
does the fueling dongle work on us 2023 ? ive heard yes and no ...
People say "red KTM" like it's a bad thing. Do we not like to have color options in virtually EVERYTHING we buy? Am I only allowed to have a blue Mustang or a red Civic? And the fact is, there are important differences between the orange, yellow, and red versions of their entire lineup. As someone who owned multiple first gen LC4 and RFS supermoto bikes, these 700s look like really fantastic street bikes.
What we mean by that is if the motor is really different or not. We like color choices as much as the next person, but the context was really about if this bike was that different or not in the tuning department. We did mention that the bike was really great looking though.
@@RottweilerPerformance I understood that but the negative connotation is silly. They are all great bikes, even if they are very similar. I don't think anyone who knows anything about them expects them to be different. That's just not their business model as shown by their entire model lineup across all three brands.
So i guess all maps are made with an open exhaust, but i can't possibly ride on the dirt roads around here like that because it gives the farmers to much time to go and fetch the shovel and wait around a corner. How much difference does a db killer make? Is it making it run too rich instead?
I doubt there's any need to remapp a bike like this if you intend to use it on the dirt and you are not a Dakar rider.
@@cyclemoto8744 not for necessarily for power, although they are pretty dead on low revs. But they are very lean stock, making them overheat. I put on a fuel dongle and a power commander on my 2019 (euro4). Almost have too much torque now but i don't run with the fan on all day anymore. Starts sometimes, when expected.
DB Killers are fine. They are just hard on the packing inside the muffler because it creates some extra pressure and heat inside. Mapping wise sometimes we make maps with DB killers or spark arrestors, but for the most part you can run a map made for without one, with one, no problem.
How many hours/miles were on this bike at time of testing? Does it matter if the bike has been "broken in" according to the manufacturer or not?
This bike was broken in on the Dyno, oil changed to synthetic and then all the mapping and runs were completed. The 'breaking in' period the manufacturer asks for is really just a suggestion that's good to follow but not law We use the dyno for all of our break ins because we can, but we would suggest checking out our break in video on the Adventure 1290 for more info on that. th-cam.com/video/h8FMY1svmrA/w-d-xo.html
What is Rottweler’s goals with regards to internal engine modifications for this motor?
To be honest, internal stuff reduces the demand by quite a bit mainly because of the diminishing returns for 'dollar to horsepower' ratios. There are very few customers that really want to go that deep so we focus on the big gains that are easy, affordable and accessible by almost every kind of owner/rider. That isn't to say we won't do more internal stuff at some point though.
@@RottweilerPerformance I asked because in the video he mentioned that they were considering going into the motor for more gains. I thought perhaps that meant a cam & gasket change that could provide a little tighter quench and a bit of compression. A relatively easy few HP that could safely be had with premium petrol for “an edge” that many would pay for on a popular motor that has long experienced high sales and a strong following.
@@vernlochtefeld1626 We agree, and we are constantly expanding our offerings for these models so more internal power bits will be coming for sure.
Looking at the existing power curve, a cam might start to take away from the bottom end pretty quickly.
Isn't it possible to flash the ECU? Not a huge fan of piggyback solutions..
It is and we have that coming. There are pros and cons to both, so look for a video on that. But flashes from Rottweiler Performance are coming.
I ride consistently between 7000 - 12000’. Is your map optimized for those altitudes?
Interesting video thanks!
You mentioned an engine light with the 700/690/701 due to the narrow band o2 sensor finding a rich condition after tuning. Is this something that all of the newer 700’s will encounter if tuned with a Power Commander?
Just to confirm you were still running the o2 sensor in this video?
Does all this info apply in the same way to European and Australian 700’s?
of course, that will not work with the euro5 version
awesome video! the bike likes the fueling to be a little richer. Is that because of the construction of the engine (bigger bore and shorter stroke than the old 690 engine) or because of the parts you added to it?
Larger bores seem to like a bit more fuel. The big twins respond well to it as well. It's not a necessity with the twins, but the big single is about as large a piston as you would want and the burn characteristics seem to thrive on it.
Small suggestion: Take it easy with the background NOISE (music).
I want to hear the engine, not the music.
Better suggestion: Outfit your bike with all of our stuff and you can hear it all you want in perfect stereo!
Hello, I just purchased a 2023 Gasgas 700. I want to remove the rear pegs. I noticed the bike in this video has heel guards. Which brand are they?Thanks
So I have a 2023 ES700 If I wanted the complete max power setup do you have a link to that combo? Thanks
This link if for the Power Commander 6 for the GG 700. If you also purchase an intake and a muffler, just leave in the comments on the PC6 page or upon checkout that you would like it mapped for this group of parts. Simple as that! shop.rottweilerperformance.com/dynojet-power-commander-6-for-gas-gas-700-es-sm-2022/
I got everything on my bike, 690 PC, with the ballz out map, is this the ballz out map for the power commander 6 ?, thanks.......top horspower is what?
Maps will be released for this bike this next week (Jan 7 2023), but we already have maps for both the PC5 and PC6 for your bike. Top HP on this bike was around 72 to the tire recorded as SAE.
I live in europe and gone buy a 690-701 probably gone get a left over 2022 GasGas. They have Kat in the silencer and are tune 12,5 in fuel to get the Kat hot enough, that makes the silencer so hot that it melts the blinker lights and not possible to have side bag. Im gone make mine to be a rally bike and TET so gone change the exhaust system to a more open air and no Kat but that makes the bike to lean. Is a fuel dongle on the nox sensor gone work for that? Are gone get a european distributor for Rottweiler?
The fuel dongle should be looked at similar to a pilot jet. They really only work on the bottom of the RPM range. They work really well for putting around and keeping the bike smooth and help it to not stall, but for full mapping purposes we would highly recommend a Powercommander for that bike. They work wonders.
Well, this video might’ve just convinced me only problem is shipping to Canada duties, etc.???
Not a whole lot we can do about that. Justin needs his $$ to shut down truck drivers and take their money.
how much it costs for all the rotty intake, exhaust and pc6? assuming at least 1500? I think this is too much for an already expensive bike! it make me hesitant to buy that bike knowing that it is not so enjoyable without those.
You are certainly entitled to that opinion. The bike is enjoyable without our products, but that much more enjoyable with our products. That's about the long and the short of it.
So a slip on can with cat and stock filter should cause any issues? Thanks
Not with the stock intake. That is so clogged up a muffler alone won't matter much in terms of mapping, but if you are looking for up to 12hp to the tire, a Rottweiler Intake System, Muffler and PC6 is the ticket for sure. shop.rottweilerperformance.com/dynojet-power-commander-6-for-gas-gas-700-es-sm-2022/
Does pc6 work on 2023 euro 5 bike?
No they do not. On some we can unplug the O2's and map them with a PC6 but only with an engine light showing. Some people don't care much about that, so we offer it, but they do not work 100% because some of those bikes can't be fooled with O2 optimizers.@@Baphomet_biker
Do you have a UK based reseller of your products..?
Currently we do not but we do ship hundreds of packages internationally every day. Rally Motor would be the closest but they apparently do not ship to the UK from what I'm hearing.
What is best starting mods for smcr/701? Is rotweiler air intake with wings exhaust good start?
Thanks for your question! We don't carry the Wings Exhaust, but we have a number of other options from Arrow & Tekmo. This is definitely a good place to start if you are looking to achieve more power on your 701: Rottweiler Performance Intake: www.rottweilerperformance.com/rottweiler-intake-system-701-husky/ , DynoJet PowerCommander 6: www.rottweilerperformance.com/dynojet-power-commander-6-for-husqvarna-701-enduro-sm-2016/ , Tekmo Racing Header: www.rottweilerperformance.com/tekmo-racing-titanium-header-690-701-all/ , Tekmo Racing Muffler: www.rottweilerperformance.com/tekmo-titanium-racing-muffler-690-701-all/ , Rottweiler Performance SAS/Canister Removal Kit: www.rottweilerperformance.com/sas-canister-removal-kit-ktm-hqv-gg-690-701/
if I get a pc6 on the ktm 690 smcr do I still need the fuel dongle?
Hi! I have 2017 smc-r ktm. I cant find powercommander anywhere and does this bike even need it? I have evo 1. And second i buyed this dna filter. They says that if i wanna put that on i have to put stage 2? Hows that working
Hello Stan, Yes, we have PowerCommander for a 2017 KTM 690 SMC-R here: www.rottweilerperformance.com/dynojet-power-commander-v-for-ktm-690-enduro-smc-2014-2018/ . Feel free to look at getting one of those! Give us a call regarding map options for your model before you purchase to make sure this part is right for you. Our support number is 844-768-7373.
Are you using stock ignition timing and what fuel are you using?
We have a little advance in the Powercommander 6 but not pushing limits. The gas we are using is California pump gas.
I just purchased your fueling dongle today I’m going to get the PC and the intake in pieces so when my factory warranty expires I will be ready . What’s your recommendation on the muffler?
@@bryanlewelling4435 We carry quite a few for that bike. For lightness we would look at Arrow. For sound abatement I would look at Tekmo with the twin core outlets. Those bikes put out some big bangs with the big pistons, so opening them up and keeping them quiet at the same time can be tricky.
Thanks for the solid answer
@@bryanlewelling4435 It's what we do...
I don't understand how by adding a controller to extend the injector dwell to richen the fuel when the cpu with ox sensor will just adjust the dwell back to the original 02 level.
This bike does not do that with a piggyback because there are O2 optimizers that get installed in place of the O2 that richens the mixture in closed loop and stops the ECU from hunting for 14.7 AFR by tricking it into thinking the air fuel ratios in the exhaust system are the same all the time. If you installed a piggyback without our fueling dongles (included only with Power Commanders from Rottweiler Performance and not Dynojet), and had any mapping in closed loop you would be correct in that the bike would just undo the corrections.
@@RottweilerPerformance As an control engineer that doesn't make sense but I'll take your word for it. Wait a minute. I thought I've read that removing the 02 sensor richens the fuel at least with the stock ecu. My point was concerning a piggy back fuel controller. Interesting conversation.
@@mxbadboy263 Last reply edited, we misunderstood the question as we were in the middle of answering some other similar questions elsewhere. See new reply above.
The gains are very nice but you practically killed the bike below 3500rpm, where the normal mapping has a nice, straight torque curve, right?
Not at all. What you are reading is the beginning or start of the run on the dyno and they always look like that with a little ramp up. We load the bike at the lowest RPM the bike will allow us to and start from there and those dips should really be trimmed off but we didn’t. You can’t really measure HP well at very low RPMs on a dyno. We can tune there, and measure air fuel ratios there, but turning a heavy drum at those low RPMs doesn’t measure well. These mods make a ton of HP from bottom to top.
Do you want a gas gas with the akro end can to test ?
Thank you very much for the offer, but a muffler is a muffler is a muffler in terms of tuning. Brand doesn’t matter nor does stuffed or not very much. Now, if you want to lend us one to just ride, we’ll certainly take you up on that. ;)
Would you tune a gasgas700 for drag racing ?
As in for a client or as in at all? The thing about tuning is that there mostly isn't a specific area to focus on. You just focus on it all, so it's all usually just better. It's not like a header pipe that may have different diameters or lengths that could dictate 'low' or 'high' end power. Fuel tuning just gets you to the best place possible regardless of what you are doing with it. Ignition is a bit different because it can really effect the rideability of the bike depending on what you are doing with it, so that part of 'tuning' is a bit different than the fuel part.
Throttle by wire these too
Yes, which makes for some cool possibilities.
how can i get that mirror?
Here is a link to what is in the video: shop.rottweilerperformance.com/quick-flip-mirror-mounts-hindsight-kit/
Here is a link to our Arrow mirrors that probably sell about 100:1 to the one above: shop.rottweilerperformance.com/quick-flip-mirror-mount-kit-arrow-kit/
Hope this helps!
@@RottweilerPerformance thanks!!
@@pablopichardo6023 You got it!!
@@pablopichardo6023 You got it!!
Who are these bikes marketed towards?
people who ride on the road and want to look for some fun as well, really niche motorcycle but looks like fun but dangerous I guess
People who value agility, power to weight, and stunt fun.
Idk but I want one lol
People who want a KTM but don't like the stigma, or don't like orange.
anybody know what handlebar protection that is?
These are the factory guards for the smaller bikes. They are plastic and a good middle ground if you don't want metal.
Building a ktm 2019 690 turbo. Soon ready to dyno. Running 9 psi 98octane gas. Any tip on how much timing retard? Using powercommander and auto. Plan was to retard one degree pr psi off boost.
Power commander does not work on my 2022 gas gas based in the uk
In the same boat, have you found a solution?
Ecu mapping you can do and its the best
We are working on flashing those so stay tuned. The PCV's work with ignition advance which is responsible for making a lot of the power on those bikes so it should work without fuel in closed loop and ignition advances throughout.
what i dont understand is...how can you tune 2023...i was just on the phone with you guys and im told its not possible...can you explain
Not sure what context we would have told someone that unless it was about a specific 2023 model that is problematic in terms of tuning with a Power Commander to which there are a couple of models we have not cracked yet, but most of them, especially Kehin powered models can be tuned with a Power Commander unless they are Euro 5 690-701 which makes things a bit more tricky. We can't get a Euro 5 690-701 bike in the US so we haven't really had the chance to see what we can do there. It's all a matter of time with some of these bikes.
In terms of the 700 US model, there is no issue tuning it with a Power Commander.
@@RottweilerPerformance thx for the reply...i picked mine up in canada...2022. so its not a euro 5...im so confused...what do you recommend for my 2022 husky 701...can i buy a power commander from you with a map that will work. im not crazy for the power. just want an exhaust and a K and N filter....please let me know what you think...im doing a trip around costa rica in june. i was thinking the block of plates and a different exhaust to get rid of the cat...thx so much
sorry maybe a fan switch its really really hot there...thx again
@@diyoff-road4589 If the bike is not Euro 5 than you are fine with a Power Commander and will be very happy. You just need to tell us what's on the bike and we will pre map it with a custom tune that will really make the bike wake up and ride smoothly without stalling and sputtering. Check here: www.rottweilerperformance.com/dynojet-power-commander-6-for-husqvarna-701-enduro-sm-2016/
@@RottweilerPerformance How to know if a bike is Euro5 or not? I've bought a '22 701SM here in New Zealand. We get Euro models rather than US models I believe, but I don't know if they are Euro5 compliant or not.
If I could afford one I would do a off-road trike conversion lol
20/20 would not approve.
Congratulation for the Video. very very Nice
i just bought a new KTM MY 2023 SMC 690 R and i was an ex possessor of some previous models of KTM SMC 690.
Unfortunately this KTM is the worst bike i bought in my life. the engine is completely closed ( due to probably euro 5 and catalizer ). i just did 800 km but i really have to modify it, because in alternative i will seel the bike. i am very interested in your products and i would like to buy a kit. do you have a phone contact where i can call ?
We sure do! Check this link here and just click the contact page. We are happy to answer any questions you may have. www.rottweilerperformance.com/
Off road riders won’t like the fact that you’ve destroyed all its power and torque bellow 3000rpm !!
Your video is only good for the Supermoto guys
Well it is a SM
Wow. Carb bikes must run terrible even though we think they run ok.
They don't run 'terrible' per se, but they do leave a lot on the table.
So YES it is a rebranded KTM, since you put forward the question and do not spot any difference
Motor and mapping wise there is very little difference. The frame is a 2019+ KTM that's red but we have all come to understand that a majority of the differences between KTM, Husqvarna and GASGAS are the accoutrement. The dashes, the plastics, the shape and look, and the electronics are basically the differences and while GASGAS has positioned itself to be the 'more affordable' KTM, it's all pretty much the same stuff without the nice details of a KTM or Husky.
So Verbose I couldn’t watch ! 😂
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