Since editing this video, it now has a name... sign up to the Motorists Action Network: www.motoristsactionnetwork.com 04:00 how it all started at The Norway Inn 07:23 policing by consent, not by fear, 1947 14:16 the notice of intended protection 16:04 what two letters did Geoff get from the police? 18:43 mind driving and why it really isn’t boring 20:40 the simple model to avoid aa crash 28:12 how speed limits are set 32:50 how Tony Blair got rid of traffic patrols 34:44 replacing patrols with cameras does not work 38:41 what is it that us motorists really need…? 40:02 when is a speeding ticket actually entrapment? 43:07 scared to death and how fear is always the go to tool 48:48 a better plan…
This idea is much like Nigel farage a "slow turd" it's to lengthy to ever succeed ,,ur trying to win a game that's already lost,,with tactics that won't work to start with,,rethink it !
@@wonyankeesays5661feel free to come up with your own plan. It took four years to build a TH-cam channel, to gain people’s trust with 148,000 subscribers and a network of people who I trust and can get this done with… so start yours up and you’ll be ready to launch in 2028?
Probably cos of my crappy, outdated lappy but this link I clicked on looked suss, etc! I'll try on my other lappy later. Would help if I knew what the opening page should look like.
They are under big Gov that's on their payroll if they ever ask do u understand tell no l don't understand it's one of there tricks u don't stand under them?They love to get in your wallet?
Avon and Somerset police have started to use unmarked vans for speed cameras. A marked van reminds drivers to be aware of speed... job done. An unmarked van is just a cash generator.
People who drive with no licence and no insurance, when caught, get points on the licence that they don’t have and receive a ~£120 fine. We pay a fortune to pass our test and pay £100’s & £1,000’s for insurance with the insurance companies doing their damndest not to pay up when called upon. Tell me. Who are the mugs I’m society? 🤷🏻♂️
Someone crashed into my car while it was parked, someone saw it and took his number plate. My insurance company told me he was uninsured so I reported to the police - what happened ? Nothing , the police did nothing.
@@MissDelia I've had the same issue recently, uninsured driver caught my car, surprisingly I discovered the car was sorned at the time as well, I reported it to the police, they were not interested in chasing up the incident, my insurance did pay to have my car fixed, no blame claim.
This is a good point. Road users take advantage of the facilities provided. Cyclists do this legally without cost. Vehicle drivers are avoiding taxes such as VED (or whatever it's called now) and insurance premium tax. Illegal road use is gaining an advantage over other users, a forgotten concept. There should be a punitive cost attached to the illegal use of the road network.
@@MissDelia someone drove into me in January. It's now December and they've not responded to my insurer other than to admit they were driving. Insurance company asked if I'd go to court to recover. I think they'll drop it due to the low cost. Moral of the story? Just ignore the postman
Basically, drive at a speed and manner in keeping with the traffic and road conditions. I live in a street with no pavements that's only just wide enough for one vehicle. It's subject to a 30 limit, Obviously 30 is way too fast, should anything suddenly happen. There's a primary school and doctors surgery but the councils will not introduce any form of traffic calming measures. Instead, West Devon behaved as if I was there to serve thrm, rather thsn yhrm me.
Hmm a lot of mud and cow poo on a dairy farm can be almost be like masonry paint in wet conditions. Do be sure to check your plates are visible before commencing your journey.
I've always warned people about police traps with the thumbs down signal. It was something an old lorry driver told me about when I first passed my test in the early 80s.
@greg5639 so what do we do now after all they are not police no more they are just a coperation same as the magistrates courts councils its all fallen apart since 2020 probably before then but lots of people woke up slightly during the bs pandemic how stupid have society become when you allow a kid on government to dictate to you as they are coperations makes me so sad that so many people can't see what powers they have
Well said, as a motorcyclist of 40 years in all weather's all year round and having a class 1 hgv and driven articulated lorries all over the place and everything in between, I think I can speak with someone experience, i have a clean sheet and that's no accident or luck. Always expect the unexpected and keep your distance, it's served me well, among other things.
Motorcyclist since 1977. All my “offs” in the first few years, all my own fault. Alertness and distance are unquestionably lifesaving. Make no important assumptions about what others are about to do. Instead, watch.
Same here mate. Class 1 and a motorcycle rider. I’ve just been done for racing out of a village at 23 mph in a 20 as I went into the 30 mph where the speed van was parked. £82 for a teams meeting! Clean licence for more than 30 years.
I also learn from a police motorcyclist, to keep space between you and other traffic, and regard other road users as a potential danger. But, accelerating away from another road user, after completing a safe overtake, now seems to be seen as a challenge to alot of roadusers, who accelerate on purpose to take your space and then tailgate. What a pleasure it was to hear from that ex policeman, talking so much sense 👏
@@davedoingdavethings247 Passed my bike test in 1969, car test in '70, bus test in 2001, no accident since 1973 (bike) not my fault either. Was taught to ride by a police officer (bike tester for Triumph) and I still learn something every day. I'd be quite happy if everyone got a half hour test every 4 - 5 years. If you haven't improved you need to learn. (Says the 72 year old Blackbird rider)
This gentleman is the sort of police officer I respected and trusted. I consider modern police officers to be firstly a danger to the public and not to be trusted
Agree that automation of policing the roads means competency is no longer required to retain a licence. There are a lot of people driving today who - if they had spent any time on a motorcycle - would be dead.
There is an argument for having to passing a cycling proficiency test on the road (not in a car park or school), then passing a motorcycle test, before even being allowed to drive a car. Awareness is almost built into cycling and motorcycling.
Absolutely agree with you, so many drivers out there that pull out on each other and drive like they are driving that car in the film called Death proof. (Tarantino Film, find a copy and watch it 😉) As an Ex National Motorbike Courier, Ive got a few miles under my belt. One week I was coming home on a Saturday morning after doing a drop in Perth (I lived in Rossendale back then). My work days were Mon-Fri but an overnight ride for a very early drop on Saturday meant getting home Saturday afternoon. This weekend I was about 5 miles from home and came across a cash van, I thought I was within the 30mph but weeks later I got a NIP. I went to court with it and stated how much riding I did weekly and monthly, more than the average person and far more than the average Biker, (Easily doing more than 2.5K miles a week), instead of saying to me that I was a good rider to not have died doing the job doing so many miles, they just said that I was a "Proffesional Rider who should know the speed limits of roads and not be driving at excessive speeds like some madman on drugs." I pointed out how many cameras I pass on a daily basis and had zero fines. I obishoukd have just swallowed hard and accepted the ticket and let it be, but I was angry at the way I had been spoken to. I hadnt said what THEY wanted me to say and as such I got a bigger fine, same points though. My courier nsurance back then was £4000 for the year....Imagine having to make that amount before even breaking even then to be spoken to like I was some chav on a stolen Mbike. Stay safe out there, Bikers go out the door and have to have the mind set that everything is out there to kill you, make sure people have seen you and ride like they haven't seen you. A mega amount of thinking goes into any Motorbike ride. Stay warm and safe folks!
Oh for gods sake, the moron Stamer has been in power for a few months and the right wing nutters in power for 14 years did noting but increase cameras. Wind your neck in.
Retired Aussie copper here. Your video struck a chord with me. I have shared this with a FB police group. Be good for some young coppers to get a different perspective I feel! But change can only really come from the top down.
Brilliant video, I'm on 9 points, was a year when I covered 33k miles for work, no accidents. My problem is that you can't get a rhythm to driving anymore, speed limits up and down like a whores knickers!
Many years ago I had to do a driving assessment for work to be insured to drive their vehicles. The assessor was a retired traffic officer. He said "you won't fail this test if you break the speed limit, but you will fail if you drive too fast" I thought that was fair enough. I did pass the test.
@@davedrake5769 sounds like an insurance company rule to me,? not minding you speeding and invadating rules of the in-offered insurance, so invaluated any possible payout claim you could of made if you tryed to make a claim on there insurance policy? so an ex-cop that didnt mind still stiching people up just that were working for overside now ?
Well gentlemen, I was on the community council in a town in Scotland for 5 years. From 2018-2022 when I moved home. The police attended every month up until 2020 when we never saw them again. Now, we also had a representative from the council & he reported on many things, one of which was speed cameras & town security cameras. In 2020 he reported to us that the police nor councils, had repaired or maintained ANY of these cameras since installation. So, 90% of cameras were now non functional. We notice new surveillance cameras around the town but most of our speed cameras are off/defunct and ur very lucky to see s police man/woman anywhere now. Thank you for this video Geff, it helps make sense of why the force is falling apart and quite rightly so. We need to begin again. Lots of love x
GEOFF ....... I myself was a late entrant into a Provincial Constabulary of the Police Service, but am now long retired. What an INTERESTING DISCUSSION you had with Adrian, who I would describe as having an ideal approach to Police and Public interaction, especially on the topic of driving standards. All the more surprising to me was that Adrian, having been in the very political (and now Woke) world of the senior ranks of policing, could have such an optimistic (and valid) ambition to improve driver training/standards. I wish him every success with that target. I suspect that the College of Policing (I'm told that is full of Woke, Graduate types) will be a major stumbling block, along with cost implications (everything governed by £s expended these days, quality and outcomes it seems, no longer entering into the equation)). My inherent view of how policing (by consent) should be enacted aligns with that 1947 report that Adrian quoted from. Things would almost certainly have changed considerably since my Traffic Dept. attachment ( in 1975 ish !!) but the petty world that Traffic Officers inhabited in those days put me off my ambition to become a Police Traffic Motorcyclist. If an offence was committed, however minor, the motorist was most often reported. The Department's outlook was very much 'Offence = Reported' to the degree that officers had unofficial competitions to see who could get the most 'Names in their pocket Book' each month ! Only a couple of braincells are needed to work out how those interactions soured police/public relations ! I 100% agree with Adrian's driving attitude in alignment with the book 'Mind Driving'. I shall see if I'm able to get myself a copy. After serving my two years probation, and several years on the usual 'beat duties' I eventually specialised in the Scenes of Crime/Photographic Department. My role meant I often attended fatal or possible fatal road traffic collisions. Quite a sobering experience seeing what a badly driven vehicle can do to the human body ! Returning to Adrian, what a sensible and pragmatic attitude the Gentleman has. The modern Police Services across the Country would benefit from a few thousand of senior officers of his ilk, which would hopefully dilute the Wokeness our modern Service seems to have become embroiled in ! 😁.
We should not have speed bumps anywhere at all. I have seen several on 30mph roads. It is not a solution it causes delay and confusion they make roads more dangerous near junctions especially.
If you ever hit one of these unmarked obstacles on a motorcycle in the rain at night where the rubbish LED street lights create dark patches then you know how dangerous these can be.
When I passed my car test my instructor did a free offer to have two extra lessons if you passed first time with him. One was an hour on a skid pan, that certainly saved my life later on. The other was an hour of “high speed driving” by that he meant taking me on various roads including motorways and driving as close to (but just under) the speed limit, traffic conditions allowing. It was all about looking as far forward as possible, assessing situations long before they happened and responding to them while you had the space to do so so reducing the chance of anything being a surprise. It also involved me giving regular updates in what was happening around me and in my mirror. That was 43 years ago and I have always put those concepts into my driving and something I taught my own kids when they passed their test. It didn’t stop me speeding ( I may recite that story later) but it’s always made me think and assess the consequences, especially later on when I passed my motorcycle test (also first time) when I was riding bikes with phenomenal speed and acceleration abilities. Alain I’m sure it’s saved my life more than once.
It's wonderful to hear a retired ACC, a former high up representative of "the establishment" speaking like this. The safe driving style is how I always drive, it just seems such obvious common sense, I have never been trained. I have always said that it isn't speed that kills but inappropriate speed. Proper training should be compulsory if you want to drive. I'm afraid that things will never change though, the government will always do the easy thing & brainwash the gen. pop. into believing it's the right thing.
Speed. Surprise. Space. In even simpler terms, “drive to the conditions”. It’s exactly how many of us were taught to drive. This of course only leads to significant problems where conditions allow a speed that is greater than a posted limit 🙄 Saying that, as a new driver building my experience in the early 90s, I do remember several interactions with the police (not for anything dangerous, I will add) that resulted in me receiving really useful pieces of information. The police used their powers of discretion. I listened and learned. Everybody wins. Not the case now, although what seems like a societal norm to ignore any useful teaching (of any kind!) would negate any possible positive outcomes from a sensible bobby’s “word in your ear”.
As motorcyclists we are taught about space, which gives time and space to react/respond to what is happening around you as well as anticipating possible scenarios/actions involving what is going on around you
I was brought up in Mylor Bridge which is near the Norway Inn and I've not been back to Cornwall for 30 years. We used to drive like nutters down the back lanes to the Norway Inn and the local policeman called Paul from Penryn was a nice chap. One day helped me deal with a guy in a pub car park who got out of his VW camper with a meat cleaver. Good times.
Back in the 80s the local police mc traffic guys set up a MC Road Safety Club. We joined to get "in with the local coppers" and improve chances of not getting nicked. Their attitude was stunning, they appreciated young riders of large capacity mcs were not going to stick to 60/70 mph out of town. They told us when we went on a group ride we would be at higher speeds and they would teach us when it was safe to do this, and when to backoff. They also taught us advanced riding skills to control our bikes better. What a great attitude. The group learned so much.
Local lad was knocked down on a 30mph road outside a school and they made the entire area 20mph.. Before you think yes protect the children you need some facts. The driver had no licence, was uninsured and doing 60 - 70mph and failed to stop, I think he handed himself in several days later. Chinese whispers he was waiting for drink/drugs to clear from his system. The ONLY accident ever to happen on that road, now it's like a racetrack with some sticking to 20mph and others going far faster than the old 30mph limit and what fun when those 2 drivers meet.
Yes, I made it to the end. Great video, Geoff. I am a member of the Motorcycle Action Group who have had good results fighting for the causes of motorcyclists. It's about time there was an effective group fighting for the car/van, etc. driver. Bring it on. 👍
and yet when I was learning to drive, every lesson, the instructor would say tell me what you are seeing, where are the potential surprises? What on earth do they do now? Best advice I ever got was from my Dad...." a car can kill you just as quick as it can kill someone else!"
I got done on the A38, normally 60mph at the time but dropped to 30mph with some roadworks but the roadworks had moved over 1/2 mile further down but they left the signs in the original place and stuck a camera van in the bushes. Although I slowed to 40mph on a clear dual carriageway 1/2mile away from the roadworks I got a ticket.
Good grief, hallelujah!Whenever I get a questionnaire from the traffic police Down Under - trying their push their latest Speed (reduction) initiative - I always point out the MOST dangerous thing is tail-gating. It's not the speed, it's the manner and means of driving. As the Good Cop explains, there are many types of dangerous or risky driving - and I'll have to point out the Road Rage levels seem off the charts... Also down here, the numbers driving on the wrong side of the road. I used to drive the A30 & A 38 to Newquay once or twice a week for a number of years and I used to quite enjoy that drive - then as the years progressed what happened? Average speed cameras, more speed cameras than they used to have in Somerset, reducing the width of the carriage ways - effectively making driving more hazardous, more stressful, barely enjoyable and in the end downright annoying - so I quit driving to Newquay & hit Torquay instead! The roads in Britain have become a misery and I think the road rage epidemic is on account of the lousy policing, the outrageous number of spy devices, cameras and Controlling means to make vehicle drivers lives an utter misery - then factor in pathetic road maintenance, high cost of fuel, tax... Then you wonder why I'm now in Tasmania!!
What a lovely man! I'm definately signing up. I just got one such bloody letter for 41 in 30 just before change to 50 on a sunday morning at 10am no one around and clear view and road. Otherwise clean licence for 15 years. Apprehensively awaiting my doom... Brilliant work both.
I just got 3 points and a fine for doing 35 in a thirty about 20 yards before the 40 sign and just where the camera had been positioned right by the BBC on the A40. I look at it now as just another tax and in no way a fine for breaking the law!
Here in Australia, you cannot be caught for speeding 200m before/after a change of speed sign. A fairness policy IIRC. I suspect there would be a similar requirement in the UK.
@@rlevoI’m in uk. Thanks I’ll have to check and find out. I may have been caught the other day from a 60 country lane into a 30 built up area. Wasn’t a fixed camera, was mobile van.
It’s hard to keep your speed down approaching some 30 into 50’s around me. I try and several times I’ve had people overtake still in the 30 even though I’ve crept up above the 30. What annoys me most is that my foot goes down at the 50 limit and I invariably catch them up at the next bend in the road. People are inpatient but also can’t go around corners…
Funny situation in Switzerland, where maintaining the correct speed is top priority: 1. I turn into a new road, verify it's free 2. I check the speed limit on the signs 3. I crosscheck the speed limit on the navigation 4. I verify the correct speed limit is set on the limiter / cruise control 5. I check for speed cameras ahead to be sure 6. I notice the police hanging around 7. I notice there are also children hanging around. If one of them would have jumped on the street violating my right of way I wouldn't have had time to react as this was the lowest of priorities.
It wouldn't matter anyway the paint they now use isn't bright enough now. Driving on many of the roads in the wet weather in the dark I can barely make out the white line markings.
Spot on. Very little I can add to your debate and follow up comments on here. I wholeheartedly agree that continuing to hone your skills helps make you a better driver. I am now at the age where I have needed to reapply for my licence and have had a full licence since the age of 17. I was also lucky enough to have started learning at the age of 14 on private land, accompanied by my father. As a young inexperienced driver I would say that my faster reflexes helped avoid accidents, but I think my experiences over the intervening years, which means that I have better anticipation of likely problems, have helped me develop a wider range of strategies to cope with events which might lead to an accident, which more than compensate for reduced reflex reaction time. Hopefully I have not just jinxed myself.
Makes total sense. Well done guys. My paramedic friend got a speeding fine for being slightly over 30mph whilst running late driving to start her 5am ambulance shift. Sooo not about saving lives! She has advanced driving training too.
Fantastic video Geoff. Everything Adrian said, is spot on. I did pass the Advanced Motorist test, because at the time I was doing around 700 miles a week due to my job. Unfortunately I have been diagnosed with MS and do very few miles now. But I do still practice the speed, space and road conditions philosophy. This however dies make me a nervous passenger, where I keep pressing the imaginary brake pedal. One final point is though, is that Tony Blair was MP for Sedgefield, which is in County Durham (where I live) and doesn't have any fixed speed cameras 🤔.
As an individual who has been driving for over 50 years I have always found that the one thing that keeps me out of trouble in traffic has to be keeping a high level of anticipation. Anticipation of other drivers moves or lack of signalling. Drivers impatience and stupidity! Speed limits are purely arbutary limits set in most cases by those with very little driving experience or knowledge of the roads they impose the limits! As far as the laws of the land (Common law) states is there has to be a victim for a crime to be committed! So no victim no crime! A statute is a dead entity & therefore cannot be a victim! The AA & RAC are nothing more than insurance companies now and are all about profit!
Years ago I realised that with UK motoring prosecutions, risking an accident is far more serious than actually having an accident. Total madness in my opinion.
Absolutely rethink driver training. I have been saying for years that there should be a ten stage process to gaining your driving licence along the lines of - learning how a car works under the bonnet, what to do in the event of a breakdown, rules of the road, road signs and markings etc., manoeuvering including a trailer, skid pan driving, risk assessment, driving competently day, night, motorway etc.
@@eyesodd I'd agree with this, same with the theory test too. Trouble is they get 60 for a practical and 25 for a theory each and every retry so where is the incentive to limit it?
My recent driver improvement course just undermined all the care and attention I have prided myself in over many years of motorcycling and car driving. The instructor asked me what would I do differently now that I've been taught to understand how to read speed limits, It's so sad that I find my reward for excellent driving and experience over the years is not considered, understood or appreciated.
For me, I am the most alert when I'm driving over 80mph, once I start going with the flow in lane 1 or 2 my concentration has gone. One of my daughters just passed her test here in germany at the age of 16, lessons included night time driving and motorway driving. In 3 weeks when she becomes 17 then she can drive on the road but only with a designated experienced driver for one year, then at 18 she's free 😀 Autobahn is very good to stretch your legs if you have space to do it 👍 It shouldn't be a crime to drive at 120 if you can.
Speed, all by itself, is perfectly safe. It's suddenly becoming stationary that kills. Speed only becomes dangerous when it's mixed up with something else. So why not tackle the something else. The Tesla owner I followed on the motorway recently who indicated left, and moved over to the right because they were confused by the stupid indicator buttons on the steering wheel. The people with eyes glued to the speedometer in a 20 limit who don't notice someone crossing the road. The people staring at the touchscreen to control a basic function of the car who don't notice an obstacle ahead. The oncoming LED headlights that blind you for a few moments whilst you're doing 50 mph on a dangerous road. Bus drivers who suddenly pull out into the road without looking. Cyclists who habitually ignore traffic lights and pedestrian crossings. The timid driver doing 20 mph on a 50 mph road. Constantly varying speed limits on a motorway that abruptly reduce speed whilst cars a short distance back are still doing 70. These, I would argue, cause more deaths than speeding. So why aren't these things ever addressed?
Excellent points. You’ve got zero chance of these stupid cloth eared b****rds in power listening to any of them until the next general election. Fingers crossed.
Pedestrians with their eyes glued to their phones walking around at night dressed head to toe in black Motorists who don’t know how to do roundabouts and cause chaos because no one can read their minds Etc
I got papped on the M1 near Sheffield the other week for not speeding up because I hadn’t seen the end of an average speed check zone. If my eyes were glued to the side looking for the end, I’d have probably rear ended the car in front.
Before automated speed cameras i was doing nearly 90mph on the motorway at night , dry ,quiet , street lights. police car caught up next to me waggled his finger at me , i gave him a thumbs up slowed down job done.
This was a fantastic interview Geoff and Adrian is a wealth of knowledge that has something that none of out Puppeticians have and that is honesty and common sense.
As an ex DVSA Adi of 28 years experience its great to hear your guest... I was taught by a Police instructor from region 6 Basic understanding of road traffic law and being pro active in driving most drivers are re-active... Love ur guests Geoff
When people tell me speed kills I answer "I have travelled at 600mph. Why am I not dead?" The reason is I didn't crash. I am British but I live in Colombia. The average speeds in the UK are significantly higher than those in Colombia but the fatal accident stats are 10x higher in Colombia. Conclusion: speed alone is not the cause of accidents. The Colombian driving test is actually quite stringent. The problem is that once they've passed the test they forget everything they've ever learnt. For example I came within 2 paces of being wiped out by a bus that ran a red light on the wrong side of the road. Jumping red lights is so common it's crazy. Roundabouts are chaotic. Lane discipline is none existent. How you correct this is extremely difficult when almost everybody does it. You would have to change the whole driving culture of the country.
What a sensible person (you as well Geoff!). I took some comfort from some of safety advice. I treat traffic lights, roundabouts and junctions as hazards. When someone tailgates increase the gap to the car in front. In town turn the music down or off completely. Growing up in the country I'm always expecting an animal to suddenly shoot across the road out of no where. When the animal is a sheep or deer then you can have problems. Blair was a lawyer who became PM and what have we got now? Just going sign up now.
The best driving book is 'Roadcraft', the Police driver training manual. It teaches driving technique, how to recognise potential hazards, defensive driving, road positioning and effective vehicle control. Worth the extra study.
Really good conversation thanks - we all need to take responsibility and it’s shocking how the policing has changed and we are being persecuted by speed cameras! Yes I watched till the very end! Adrian had some interesting points, I like the Mind bit!
Far better when cops stopped you and said watch your speed instead of a letter arriving days/weeks after the incident especially when you share cars. Having a pool car seems like the way to go in future.
Fantastic video Geoff and Adrian, great idea’s. There must be some good people out there whom you could get on board, Andrew Bridgen, Mark Sexton, they have the public at heart.
You’re certainly on to something here Geoff and we here in Ireland need something similar. Best of luck with your campaign and know that I and many other Irish drivers will be watching with interest 🫡
Guys I am a driving instructor and I have always had that approach for 40 years with my driving but would have said Speed, Anticipation and space. That's how I teach my students from day 1 although I do have to at the moment say speed kills but its true its Speed, Surprise and Space that's kills will the lack of the second two factors. Great interview I have ordered my copy of Mid driving and recommended it to other driving instructors. PS we can chat tonight before y=going live with David Vance
Mind Driving blew me away when i read it and went on to meet the author Steve Haley. I hope you get as much from it as I did. Maybe let me know. Adrian
Good to hear from you my friend. Would you like to join my campaign team to see if we can bring about the changes I am advocating? Best regards. Adrian
@Feughsider cheers guv 😆..I will see what I can assist with in my bit of West Yorkshire, as you know never busier than when retired 😀..my email on the fritz but will supply alternate or perhaps WhatsApp unless you have links, ? Shall take another look at article ive saved 😊
I had speeding ticket doing 26 on 20 school zone at 6am in July. Going up the hill sun gleaming in my eyes trying to maintain safe driving rather than looking on Speedo. I didn't even have chance to fight it. Sooo depressing. Great video Geoff. Gives us hope.
There's a guy that was high up in the establishment, telling you the game is all rigid, yet there will be sheeple still not believing it, as the bbc never said it.😊
This is really good, gentlemen! I have taken early retirement twelve months ago and I am now training to become an ADI. Space and forward thinking are essential skills that I have taught my two children and also my wife. Also, I have been an owner of classic cars, some of which had a decent turn of speed and when driving them in any situation, required much forward thinking and anticipating a possible poor decision by one of your fellow road users. I am a big advocate that the majority of accidents are avoidable!
Good luck with your ADI training. The Mind Driving book will be an asset for you as well as the papers on Steve Haley's Skilldriver webiste concerning Young and Novice Drivers. Adrian
Great video GBC, what an interesting chap whose life and profession experience gives his views even more gravitas. Look forward to hearing more of your cooperation!
You put this out there a while ago on another video you did. The universe has delivered Adrian and I'm sure the two of you will run with this and it be a huge success. Superb video. X
The concept of speed , surprise and space is not new to me . I was taught this method back in 1987 by a motorcycle instructor. Thanks Geoff great content . Cheers 🤔
I've been on the roads for 56 years without accidents caused by me, or convictions. I have also raced single seaters successfully, winning races and setting lap records, Riding motorcycles should give you the need to look well ahead in order to see what's coming your way! Using this level of anticipation also enables you to see road signs, specifically speed limits in advance. Knowledge of how and when speed limits are displayed is useful, eg: no signs but street lights is usually 30 MPH. A couple of points raised in this video... 1. I have always thought that there are two reasons for speeding. (mechanical failure is so rare, it's not worth a mention). Not knowing what the speed limit is equals driving without due care and attention is the first. Second is deliberate speeding which equals dangerous driving. (in the eyes of the do good-ers) So driving with anticipation should really help here. 2. Driving with integrity! I have been taught that integrity means doing the right thing, even if no one is watching. So stick to the limit regardless of the time of day/month/year. I have always thought that compulsory driving standards checks should be made periodically, those that fail start over! Harsh but would make an awful lot of drivers a lot better but not harming the good ones. Good luck with your project, I really hope it makes a difference. I think that the vast majority of drivers feel they are the best there is or they're just too lazy to work at it.
I think this lovely man is Stig ( probably spelled it wrong), off top gear from the good old days when Jeremy Clarkson and the other delightful men( their names elude me atm). What an excellent conversation, concept, reality and great for this to happen right now. You have my vote ❤️ xoxo
Fascinating topic. Couldn’t agree more. I was always taught to drive for the conditions and encouraged by the driving instructor to break the speed limit to get pass a lorry on the motorway so that you can be safe. Driving to the conditions: I saw the 20mph in wales, off the main road there were cup-de-sacs that had sign posts to remind us to do 20! You would be lucky to get to 10 on these roads I don’t need to be told it’s common sense! Then there is red light cameras on 50mph roads. I’ve slammed the breaks as soon as I’ve seen the amber light. How can that be safe for me or anyone else. Can you foresee this? You could slow down on an already busy road! Ideally we should adopt what they do in America and 300 yards before the lights you have flashing amber lights to warn of the lights that will change by the time you reach them.
Agreed. This is known as reducing the 'time exposed to danger'...yet breaking the speed limit to be safe would be frowned upon under the current black and white regime... Adrian
Speed cameras have done nothing to make driving safer. They have just made driving more expensive for a lot of people. Which only serves to prove that they don't work. Watched every second.
Watched all. Some great ideas for safer driving. My mum told me when I was a learner; Don't drive faster than you can see or think and always expect the unexpected.
Great video. Drivers spend far too long looking at their speedos (or phones) rather than looking for hazards on the road. I'm a keen driver (ICE Alfas and Beemers) and like to hussle along from time to time, and have to say that my handling and observation skills were markedly improved by completing an Advanced Driver course. They are not just about whether or not you should cross your hands on the wheel...
Since editing this video, it now has a name...
sign up to the Motorists Action Network:
www.motoristsactionnetwork.com
04:00 how it all started at The Norway Inn
07:23 policing by consent, not by fear, 1947
14:16 the notice of intended protection
16:04 what two letters did Geoff get from the police?
18:43 mind driving and why it really isn’t boring
20:40 the simple model to avoid aa crash
28:12 how speed limits are set
32:50 how Tony Blair got rid of traffic patrols
34:44 replacing patrols with cameras does not work
38:41 what is it that us motorists really need…?
40:02 when is a speeding ticket actually entrapment?
43:07 scared to death and how fear is always the go to tool
48:48 a better plan…
Cool 😎
This idea is much like Nigel farage a "slow turd" it's to lengthy to ever succeed ,,ur trying to win a game that's already lost,,with tactics that won't work to start with,,rethink it !
@@wonyankeesays5661feel free to come up with your own plan. It took four years to build a TH-cam channel, to gain people’s trust with 148,000 subscribers and a network of people who I trust and can get this done with… so start yours up and you’ll be ready to launch in 2028?
Probably cos of my crappy, outdated lappy but this link I clicked on looked suss, etc! I'll try on my other lappy later. Would help if I knew what the opening page should look like.
Just tried on crappy iphone and says content blocked wtf!
Its not just police policy that's changed, it's the type of person they recruit and the training they are given.
Anti capitalist DEI hires 😂
Yup; DEI specials. The recruitment and promotion has more to do with quotas than ability.
Oh yes if your good at your job it’s irrelevant but if you tick a dei box and are completely incompetent lazy and thick your hired then promoted !
They are under big Gov that's on their payroll if they ever ask do u understand tell no l don't understand it's one of there tricks u don't stand under them?They love to get in your wallet?
Narcissists & Psychopaths are favoured personality traits for Constables these days
Avon and Somerset police have started to use unmarked vans for speed cameras. A marked van reminds drivers to be aware of speed... job done. An unmarked van is just a cash generator.
Job done until you are past the marked car. Pretty useless really.
People who drive with no licence and no insurance, when caught, get points on the licence that they don’t have and receive a ~£120 fine.
We pay a fortune to pass our test and pay £100’s & £1,000’s for insurance with the insurance companies doing their damndest not to pay up when called upon.
Tell me.
Who are the mugs I’m society? 🤷🏻♂️
Someone crashed into my car while it was parked, someone saw it and took his number plate. My insurance company told me he was uninsured so I reported to the police - what happened ? Nothing , the police did nothing.
@@MissDelia I've had the same issue recently, uninsured driver caught my car, surprisingly I discovered the car was sorned at the time as well, I reported it to the police, they were not interested in chasing up the incident, my insurance did pay to have my car fixed, no blame claim.
This is a good point. Road users take advantage of the facilities provided. Cyclists do this legally without cost. Vehicle drivers are avoiding taxes such as VED (or whatever it's called now) and insurance premium tax. Illegal road use is gaining an advantage over other users, a forgotten concept. There should be a punitive cost attached to the illegal use of the road network.
The mugs are the ones who make their own money . For now .
@@MissDelia someone drove into me in January. It's now December and they've not responded to my insurer other than to admit they were driving. Insurance company asked if I'd go to court to recover. I think they'll drop it due to the low cost. Moral of the story? Just ignore the postman
It's all about money and motorists are easy money!
Yep, just got a reminder my road tax is due at £600 because when new the car was over £40k but I bought it second hand for much less, what a scam.
I milk cows and drive to work at 5am every day, most of my drive is wide 30mph roads that are completely empty, going that slow is infuriating.
Do not cover your plates with black tape that would be wrong
Basically, drive at a speed and manner in keeping with the traffic and road conditions. I live in a street with no pavements that's only just wide enough for one vehicle. It's subject to a 30 limit, Obviously 30 is way too fast, should anything suddenly happen. There's a primary school and doctors surgery but the councils will not introduce any form of traffic calming measures. Instead, West Devon behaved as if I was there to serve thrm, rather thsn yhrm me.
Hmm a lot of mud and cow poo on a dairy farm can be almost be like masonry paint in wet conditions. Do be sure to check your plates are visible before commencing your journey.
If it's a crime to warn people about speed cameras this shows that the police want motorists to speed, in order to prosecute them
I've always warned people about police traps with the thumbs down signal. It was something an old lorry driver told me about when I first passed my test in the early 80s.
@greg5639 so what do we do now after all they are not police no more they are just a coperation same as the magistrates courts councils its all fallen apart since 2020 probably before then but lots of people woke up slightly during the bs pandemic how stupid have society become when you allow a kid on government to dictate to you as they are coperations makes me so sad that so many people can't see what powers they have
Well said, as a motorcyclist of 40 years in all weather's all year round and having a class 1 hgv and driven articulated lorries all over the place and everything in between, I think I can speak with someone experience, i have a clean sheet and that's no accident or luck. Always expect the unexpected and keep your distance, it's served me well, among other things.
Motorcyclist since 1977. All my “offs” in the first few years, all my own fault.
Alertness and distance are unquestionably lifesaving.
Make no important assumptions about what others are about to do. Instead, watch.
Same here mate. Class 1 and a motorcycle rider. I’ve just been done for racing out of a village at 23 mph in a 20 as I went into the 30 mph where the speed van was parked. £82 for a teams meeting! Clean licence for more than 30 years.
I also learn from a police motorcyclist, to keep space between you and other traffic, and regard other road users as a potential danger. But, accelerating away from another road user, after completing a safe overtake, now seems to be seen as a challenge to alot of roadusers, who accelerate on purpose to take your space and then tailgate. What a pleasure it was to hear from that ex policeman, talking so much sense 👏
@@davedoingdavethings247 (ABCD)+E
Have I won
@@davedoingdavethings247 Passed my bike test in 1969, car test in '70, bus test in 2001, no accident since 1973 (bike) not my fault either. Was taught to ride by a police officer (bike tester for Triumph) and I still learn something every day. I'd be quite happy if everyone got a half hour test every 4 - 5 years. If you haven't improved you need to learn. (Says the 72 year old Blackbird rider)
This gentleman is the sort of police officer I respected and trusted. I consider modern police officers to be firstly a danger to the public and not to be trusted
Hired thugs! not proper coppers!!
I call them WEF officers.
@@ibrstellar1080Snap.
Well done, Geoff and Adrian. With you all the way 👍❤️✌️
Agree that automation of policing the roads means competency is no longer required to retain a licence. There are a lot of people driving today who - if they had spent any time on a motorcycle - would be dead.
There is an argument for having to passing a cycling proficiency test on the road (not in a car park or school), then passing a motorcycle test, before even being allowed to drive a car. Awareness is almost built into cycling and motorcycling.
Absolutely agree with you, so many drivers out there that pull out on each other and drive like they are driving that car in the film called Death proof. (Tarantino Film, find a copy and watch it 😉)
As an Ex National Motorbike Courier, Ive got a few miles under my belt. One week I was coming home on a Saturday morning after doing a drop in Perth (I lived in Rossendale back then). My work days were Mon-Fri but an overnight ride for a very early drop on Saturday meant getting home Saturday afternoon.
This weekend I was about 5 miles from home and came across a cash van, I thought I was within the 30mph but weeks later I got a NIP. I went to court with it and stated how much riding I did weekly and monthly, more than the average person and far more than the average Biker, (Easily doing more than 2.5K miles a week), instead of saying to me that I was a good rider to not have died doing the job doing so many miles, they just said that I was a "Proffesional Rider who should know the speed limits of roads and not be driving at excessive speeds like some madman on drugs." I pointed out how many cameras I pass on a daily basis and had zero fines.
I obishoukd have just swallowed hard and accepted the ticket and let it be, but I was angry at the way I had been spoken to. I hadnt said what THEY wanted me to say and as such I got a bigger fine, same points though. My courier nsurance back then was £4000 for the year....Imagine having to make that amount before even breaking even then to be spoken to like I was some chav on a stolen Mbike.
Stay safe out there, Bikers go out the door and have to have the mind set that everything is out there to kill you, make sure people have seen you and ride like they haven't seen you. A mega amount of thinking goes into any Motorbike ride. Stay warm and safe folks!
It doesn't matter in a communist dictatorship (the UK now). It's not what you do , but who you are which will determine if you are arrested.
Oh for gods sake, the moron Stamer has been in power for a few months and the right wing nutters in power for 14 years did noting but increase cameras. Wind your neck in.
Retired Aussie copper here. Your video struck a chord with me. I have shared this with a FB police group. Be good for some young coppers to get a different perspective I feel! But change can only really come from the top down.
Common sense is a thing of the past. Wish men like these were running the country.
This is one of your best podcasts/interviews you've done so far.👍
Brilliant video, I'm on 9 points, was a year when I covered 33k miles for work, no accidents. My problem is that you can't get a rhythm to driving anymore, speed limits up and down like a whores knickers!
Spot on about the fact you can’t get a rythmn. Driving is getting less enjoyable.
@@GeoffBuysCars That's how they want it, anything to get us out of our cars for the green agenda BS, but how they gonna replace the lost revenue???
Many years ago I had to do a driving assessment for work to be insured to drive their vehicles. The assessor was a retired traffic officer. He said "you won't fail this test if you break the speed limit, but you will fail if you drive too fast" I thought that was fair enough. I did pass the test.
Inappropriate speed can kill.
@@davedrake5769 sounds like an insurance company rule to me,? not minding you speeding and invadating rules of the in-offered insurance, so invaluated any possible payout claim you could of made if you tryed to make a claim on there insurance policy? so an ex-cop that didnt mind still stiching people up just that were working for overside now ?
Common sense is sadly lacking today, across so many fields of human endeavour. Fascinating talk.
Well gentlemen, I was on the community council in a town in Scotland for 5 years. From 2018-2022 when I moved home. The police attended every month up until 2020 when we never saw them again. Now, we also had a representative from the council & he reported on many things, one of which was speed cameras & town security cameras. In 2020 he reported to us that the police nor councils, had repaired or maintained ANY of these cameras since installation. So, 90% of cameras were now non functional. We notice new surveillance cameras around the town but most of our speed cameras are off/defunct and ur very lucky to see s police man/woman anywhere now. Thank you for this video Geff, it helps make sense of why the force is falling apart and quite rightly so. We need to begin again. Lots of love x
GEOFF ....... I myself was a late entrant into a Provincial Constabulary of the Police Service, but am now long retired. What an INTERESTING DISCUSSION you had with Adrian, who I would describe as having an ideal approach to Police and Public interaction, especially on the topic of driving standards. All the more surprising to me was that Adrian, having been in the very political (and now Woke) world of the senior ranks of policing, could have such an optimistic (and valid) ambition to improve driver training/standards. I wish him every success with that target. I suspect that the College of Policing (I'm told that is full of Woke, Graduate types) will be a major stumbling block, along with cost implications (everything governed by £s expended these days, quality and outcomes it seems, no longer entering into the equation)). My inherent view of how policing (by consent) should be enacted aligns with that 1947 report that Adrian quoted from.
Things would almost certainly have changed considerably since my Traffic Dept. attachment ( in 1975 ish !!) but the petty world that Traffic Officers inhabited in those days put me off my ambition to become a Police Traffic Motorcyclist. If an offence was committed, however minor, the motorist was most often reported. The Department's outlook was very much 'Offence = Reported' to the degree that officers had unofficial competitions to see who could get the most 'Names in their pocket Book' each month ! Only a couple of braincells are needed to work out how those interactions soured police/public relations !
I 100% agree with Adrian's driving attitude in alignment with the book 'Mind Driving'. I shall see if I'm able to get myself a copy. After serving my two years probation, and several years on the usual 'beat duties' I eventually specialised in the Scenes of Crime/Photographic Department. My role meant I often attended fatal or possible fatal road traffic collisions. Quite a sobering experience seeing what a badly driven vehicle can do to the human body !
Returning to Adrian, what a sensible and pragmatic attitude the Gentleman has. The modern Police Services across the Country would benefit from a few thousand of senior officers of his ilk, which would hopefully dilute the Wokeness our modern Service seems to have become embroiled in ! 😁.
In Starmer’s Britain, you “will face the full force of the Law”.
Even if you think about going fast.
We should not have speed bumps anywhere at all. I have seen several on 30mph roads. It is not a solution it causes delay and confusion they make roads more dangerous near junctions especially.
That’s the intention, to degrade the experience of motoring.
If you ever hit one of these unmarked obstacles on a motorcycle in the rain at night where the rubbish LED street lights create dark patches then you know how dangerous these can be.
When I passed my car test my instructor did a free offer to have two extra lessons if you passed first time with him. One was an hour on a skid pan, that certainly saved my life later on. The other was an hour of “high speed driving” by that he meant taking me on various roads including motorways and driving as close to (but just under) the speed limit, traffic conditions allowing. It was all about looking as far forward as possible, assessing situations long before they happened and responding to them while you had the space to do so so reducing the chance of anything being a surprise. It also involved me giving regular updates in what was happening around me and in my mirror.
That was 43 years ago and I have always put those concepts into my driving and something I taught my own kids when they passed their test.
It didn’t stop me speeding ( I may recite that story later) but it’s always made me think and assess the consequences, especially later on when I passed my motorcycle test (also first time) when I was riding bikes with phenomenal speed and acceleration abilities. Alain I’m sure it’s saved my life more than once.
A police officer who is known, reasonable and trusted!!!! How radical 😱
It's wonderful to hear a retired ACC, a former high up representative of "the establishment" speaking like this. The safe driving style is how I always drive, it just seems such obvious common sense, I have never been trained. I have always said that it isn't speed that kills but inappropriate speed. Proper training should be compulsory if you want to drive. I'm afraid that things will never change though, the government will always do the easy thing & brainwash the gen. pop. into believing it's the right thing.
Speed. Surprise. Space.
In even simpler terms, “drive to the conditions”.
It’s exactly how many of us were taught to drive. This of course only leads to significant problems where conditions allow a speed that is greater than a posted limit 🙄
Saying that, as a new driver building my experience in the early 90s, I do remember several interactions with the police (not for anything dangerous, I will add) that resulted in me receiving really useful pieces of information. The police used their powers of discretion. I listened and learned. Everybody wins.
Not the case now, although what seems like a societal norm to ignore any useful teaching (of any kind!) would negate any possible positive outcomes from a sensible bobby’s “word in your ear”.
Geoff and Adrian - 2 very wise men! 👍... Thank you for that!🤗
As motorcyclists we are taught about space, which gives time and space to react/respond to what is happening around you as well as anticipating possible scenarios/actions involving what is going on around you
Remember when someone said that Blair's aim was to make every activity either illegal or compulsory.
What about all their illegal activities? when are they being brought to justice! Bliar! has coursed all this…😡
It’s the Marxist way. Also, to allow criminals to operate with impunity and oppress ordinary citizens.
Brilliant!
Adrian is a great man, and just as I remember the police back when I was a young man.
I was brought up in Mylor Bridge which is near the Norway Inn and I've not been back to Cornwall for 30 years. We used to drive like nutters down the back lanes to the Norway Inn and the local policeman called Paul from Penryn was a nice chap.
One day helped me deal with a guy in a pub car park who got out of his VW camper with a meat cleaver. Good times.
Back in the 80s the local police mc traffic guys set up a MC Road Safety Club. We joined to get "in with the local coppers" and improve chances of not getting nicked. Their attitude was stunning, they appreciated young riders of large capacity mcs were not going to stick to 60/70 mph out of town. They told us when we went on a group ride we would be at higher speeds and they would teach us when it was safe to do this, and when to backoff. They also taught us advanced riding skills to control our bikes better. What a great attitude. The group learned so much.
Local lad was knocked down on a 30mph road outside a school and they made the entire area 20mph.. Before you think yes protect the children you need some facts.
The driver had no licence, was uninsured and doing 60 - 70mph and failed to stop, I think he handed himself in several days later. Chinese whispers he was waiting for drink/drugs to clear from his system. The ONLY accident ever to happen on that road, now it's like a racetrack with some sticking to 20mph and others going far faster than the old 30mph limit and what fun when those 2 drivers meet.
Yes, I made it to the end. Great video, Geoff. I am a member of the Motorcycle Action Group who have had good results fighting for the causes of motorcyclists. It's about time there was an effective group fighting for the car/van, etc. driver. Bring it on. 👍
This channel is good for helping save the car. But most motoring channels are still penus swinging contests .
and yet when I was learning to drive, every lesson, the instructor would say tell me what you are seeing, where are the potential surprises? What on earth do they do now? Best advice I ever got was from my Dad...." a car can kill you just as quick as it can kill someone else!"
Behind every parked car or round every corner is potentially a child about to step out. Or the cliché ball quickly followed by a child.
My dad's advice was "just assume every driver is out to kill themselves and kill you"
😂😂
I got done on the A38, normally 60mph at the time but dropped to 30mph with some roadworks but the roadworks had moved over 1/2 mile further down but they left the signs in the original place and stuck a camera van in the bushes. Although I slowed to 40mph on a clear dual carriageway 1/2mile away from the roadworks I got a ticket.
Good grief, hallelujah!Whenever I get a questionnaire from the traffic police Down Under - trying their push their latest Speed (reduction) initiative - I always point out the MOST dangerous thing is tail-gating. It's not the speed, it's the manner and means of driving. As the Good Cop explains, there are many types of dangerous or risky driving - and I'll have to point out the Road Rage levels seem off the charts... Also down here, the numbers driving on the wrong side of the road.
I used to drive the A30 & A 38 to Newquay once or twice a week for a number of years and I used to quite enjoy that drive - then as the years progressed what happened? Average speed cameras, more speed cameras than they used to have in Somerset, reducing the width of the carriage ways - effectively making driving more hazardous, more stressful, barely enjoyable and in the end downright annoying - so I quit driving to Newquay & hit Torquay instead! The roads in Britain have become a misery and I think the road rage epidemic is on account of the lousy policing, the outrageous number of spy devices, cameras and Controlling means to make vehicle drivers lives an utter misery - then factor in pathetic road maintenance, high cost of fuel, tax... Then you wonder why I'm now in Tasmania!!
Hi Geoff when you leave a space between you and another car someone will drop right in between you so closing That gap your trying to keep.
Agree with it all... Real criminals get away with everything while good law abiding people get screwed.
"Twas ever thus and forever will be"
Because good people are seen as a cash cow. As Adrian says, speeding is the easiest to monetise.
As a member of our group against the uptake of speed cameras being the
Councils Unjust Numerous Tax Scams association. I'm just here for support.
What a lovely man! I'm definately signing up. I just got one such bloody letter for 41 in 30 just before change to 50 on a sunday morning at 10am no one around and clear view and road. Otherwise clean licence for 15 years. Apprehensively awaiting my doom... Brilliant work both.
I just got 3 points and a fine for doing 35 in a thirty about 20 yards before the 40 sign and just where the camera had been positioned right by the BBC on the A40. I look at it now as just another tax and in no way a fine for breaking the law!
Here in Australia, you cannot be caught for speeding 200m before/after a change of speed sign. A fairness policy IIRC. I suspect there would be a similar requirement in the UK.
@@rlevoI’m in uk. Thanks I’ll have to check and find out. I may have been caught the other day from a 60 country lane into a 30 built up area. Wasn’t a fixed camera, was mobile van.
It’s hard to keep your speed down approaching some 30 into 50’s around me. I try and several times I’ve had people overtake still in the 30 even though I’ve crept up above the 30. What annoys me most is that my foot goes down at the 50 limit and I invariably catch them up at the next bend in the road. People are inpatient but also can’t go around corners…
Funny situation in Switzerland, where maintaining the correct speed is top priority:
1. I turn into a new road, verify it's free
2. I check the speed limit on the signs
3. I crosscheck the speed limit on the navigation
4. I verify the correct speed limit is set on the limiter / cruise control
5. I check for speed cameras ahead to be sure
6. I notice the police hanging around
7. I notice there are also children hanging around. If one of them would have jumped on the street violating my right of way I wouldn't have had time to react as this was the lowest of priorities.
Wow, what a great vlog Geoff, I wish we had more interesting and decent senior ranked ex police like Adrian in our force today❤
Smashing video BTW, up there in your top 10 of smashing videos.. more of these please Geoff 👍🏼
A game changer for me was talking a motorcycle course. Really helps in potential hazard avoidance
Main roads in my area of Scotland were resurfaced 2 years ago and still don't have any white lines on them!
Shall we talk about road safety?
It wouldn't matter anyway the paint they now use isn't bright enough now. Driving on many of the roads in the wet weather in the dark I can barely make out the white line markings.
What part of Scotland, think I might move there!
Spot on. Very little I can add to your debate and follow up comments on here. I wholeheartedly agree that continuing to hone your skills helps make you a better driver. I am now at the age where I have needed to reapply for my licence and have had a full licence since the age of 17. I was also lucky enough to have started learning at the age of 14 on private land, accompanied by my father. As a young inexperienced driver I would say that my faster reflexes helped avoid accidents, but I think my experiences over the intervening years, which means that I have better anticipation of likely problems, have helped me develop a wider range of strategies to cope with events which might lead to an accident, which more than compensate for reduced reflex reaction time. Hopefully I have not just jinxed myself.
Makes total sense. Well done guys. My paramedic friend got a speeding fine for being slightly over 30mph whilst running late driving to start her 5am ambulance shift. Sooo not about saving lives! She has advanced driving training too.
Signed up Geoff. About time we had a voice for the general motorist and not a lobby group for the car manufacturers That the AA is.
Fantastic video Geoff.
Everything Adrian said, is spot on.
I did pass the Advanced Motorist test, because at the time I was doing around 700 miles a week due to my job.
Unfortunately I have been diagnosed with MS and do very few miles now. But I do still practice the speed, space and road conditions philosophy.
This however dies make me a nervous passenger, where I keep pressing the imaginary brake pedal.
One final point is though, is that Tony Blair was MP for Sedgefield, which is in County Durham (where I live) and doesn't have any fixed speed cameras 🤔.
Durham didn't have fixed speed cameras when Paul Garvin was the Chief Constable. He held out against them. I believe it is different there now....
As an individual who has been driving for over 50 years I have always found that the one thing that keeps me out of trouble in traffic has to be keeping a high level of anticipation. Anticipation of other drivers moves or lack of signalling. Drivers impatience and stupidity!
Speed limits are purely arbutary limits set in most cases by those with very little driving experience or knowledge of the roads they impose the limits! As far as the laws of the land (Common law) states is there has to be a victim for a crime to be committed! So no victim no crime! A statute is a dead entity & therefore cannot be a victim!
The AA & RAC are nothing more than insurance companies now and are all about profit!
Years ago I realised that with UK motoring prosecutions, risking an accident is far more serious than actually having an accident. Total madness in my opinion.
"Call a General Election" sign the petition.
Well delivered, both of you. Exceptional.
Absolutely rethink driver training. I have been saying for years that there should be a ten stage process to gaining your driving licence along the lines of - learning how a car works under the bonnet, what to do in the event of a breakdown, rules of the road, road signs and markings etc., manoeuvering including a trailer, skid pan driving, risk assessment, driving competently day, night, motorway etc.
Limit the retake amount too. If you can't pass by your fifth attempt, just maybe driving isn't for you.
@@eyesodd I'd agree with this, same with the theory test too. Trouble is they get 60 for a practical and 25 for a theory each and every retry so where is the incentive to limit it?
Integrity and politician do not fit in the same sentence, Except this one.
The word parasite comes to mind!
In central fr the farmers have put tractor tyres around the camera.
I like that idea!
@ibrstellar1080 bit of a wtf moment were talking massive tyres stacked 10 foot high. Over the poles.
Excellent! Hard to remove, too.
My recent driver improvement course just undermined all the care and attention I have prided myself in over many years of motorcycling and car driving. The instructor asked me what would I do differently now that I've been taught to understand how to read speed limits, It's so sad that I find my reward for excellent driving and experience over the years is not considered, understood or appreciated.
For me, I am the most alert when I'm driving
over 80mph, once I start going with the flow in lane 1 or 2
my concentration has gone.
One of my daughters just passed her test here in germany at the age of 16, lessons included
night time driving and motorway driving. In 3 weeks when she becomes 17 then she can drive on the road but only
with a designated experienced driver for one year, then at 18 she's free 😀
Autobahn is very good to stretch your legs if you have space to do it 👍
It shouldn't be a crime to drive at 120 if you can.
They also have lower accident rates and fatality rates than most somewhat comparable road systems.
Famously disciplined driving on fast autobahns.
Great video Geoff!!!
Speed, all by itself, is perfectly safe. It's suddenly becoming stationary that kills. Speed only becomes dangerous when it's mixed up with something else. So why not tackle the something else.
The Tesla owner I followed on the motorway recently who indicated left, and moved over to the right because they were confused by the stupid indicator buttons on the steering wheel.
The people with eyes glued to the speedometer in a 20 limit who don't notice someone crossing the road.
The people staring at the touchscreen to control a basic function of the car who don't notice an obstacle ahead.
The oncoming LED headlights that blind you for a few moments whilst you're doing 50 mph on a dangerous road.
Bus drivers who suddenly pull out into the road without looking.
Cyclists who habitually ignore traffic lights and pedestrian crossings.
The timid driver doing 20 mph on a 50 mph road.
Constantly varying speed limits on a motorway that abruptly reduce speed whilst cars a short distance back are still doing 70.
These, I would argue, cause more deaths than speeding. So why aren't these things ever addressed?
Excellent points. You’ve got zero chance of these stupid cloth eared b****rds in power listening to any of them until the next general election. Fingers crossed.
Pedestrians with their eyes glued to their phones walking around at night dressed head to toe in black
Motorists who don’t know how to do roundabouts and cause chaos because no one can read their minds
Etc
I got papped on the M1 near Sheffield the other week for not speeding up because I hadn’t seen the end of an average speed check zone. If my eyes were glued to the side looking for the end, I’d have probably rear ended the car in front.
Motor sports are an example of safe at speed via training and practice, 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Before automated speed cameras i was doing nearly 90mph on the motorway at night , dry ,quiet , street lights. police car caught up next to me waggled his finger at me , i gave him a thumbs up slowed down job done.
Had exactly the same thing happen when having to double back home as I forgotten my passport and had a flight to catch..
This was a fantastic interview Geoff and Adrian is a wealth of knowledge that has something that none of out Puppeticians have and that is honesty and common sense.
Follow the money, works every time.
Great vid! Made it to the end. Wish you all the best with the project. Cheers from Oz!
Great!! Go Lads, GO!!! All positive, all heart-warming stuff... with humour and real solutions on offer!! Go lads, GO!!!
Brilliant listen. Brilliant ideas. Totally behind this idea. 👍
As an ex DVSA Adi of 28 years experience its great to hear your guest...
I was taught by a Police instructor from region 6
Basic understanding of road traffic law and being pro active in driving most drivers are re-active...
Love ur guests Geoff
Absolutely excellent!
When people tell me speed kills I answer "I have travelled at 600mph. Why am I not dead?" The reason is I didn't crash. I am British but I live in Colombia. The average speeds in the UK are significantly higher than those in Colombia but the fatal accident stats are 10x higher in Colombia. Conclusion: speed alone is not the cause of accidents. The Colombian driving test is actually quite stringent. The problem is that once they've passed the test they forget everything they've ever learnt. For example I came within 2 paces of being wiped out by a bus that ran a red light on the wrong side of the road. Jumping red lights is so common it's crazy. Roundabouts are chaotic. Lane discipline is none existent. How you correct this is extremely difficult when almost everybody does it. You would have to change the whole driving culture of the country.
What a sensible person (you as well Geoff!).
I took some comfort from some of safety advice. I treat traffic lights, roundabouts and junctions as hazards. When someone tailgates increase the gap to the car in front. In town turn the music down or off completely. Growing up in the country I'm always expecting an animal to suddenly shoot across the road out of no where. When the animal is a sheep or deer then you can have problems.
Blair was a lawyer who became PM and what have we got now?
Just going sign up now.
I'm human so get it wrong from time to tme
The best driving book is 'Roadcraft', the Police driver training manual. It teaches driving technique, how to recognise potential hazards, defensive driving, road positioning and effective vehicle control. Worth the extra study.
I absolutely agree. Engaging with many learner motorcyclists through my work, I recommend the Roadcraft rider training manual to all.
Really good conversation thanks - we all need to take responsibility and it’s shocking how the policing has changed and we are being persecuted by speed cameras! Yes I watched till the very end! Adrian had some interesting points, I like the Mind bit!
Far better when cops stopped you and said watch your speed instead of a letter arriving days/weeks after the incident especially when you share cars. Having a pool car seems like the way to go in future.
Fantastic video Geoff and Adrian, great idea’s. There must be some good people out there whom you could get on board, Andrew Bridgen, Mark Sexton, they have the public at heart.
He is a great example of what a policeman should be. Great video Geoff 👍
What a proper chap!!!
You’re certainly on to something here Geoff and we here in Ireland need something similar. Best of luck with your campaign and know that I and many other Irish drivers will be watching with interest 🫡
Adrian is excellent. on the money, as it where....
I made it to the end of this fabulous video.
I can't help but be excited for the day this campaign kicks off!
Two mature men having a quiet assignation in a camper van? Watch out for the rozzers Geoff. I didn’t know you swung both ways. 😂
Guys I am a driving instructor and I have always had that approach for 40 years with my driving but would have said Speed, Anticipation and space. That's how I teach my students from day 1 although I do have to at the moment say speed kills but its true its Speed, Surprise and Space that's kills will the lack of the second two factors. Great interview I have ordered my copy of Mid driving and recommended it to other driving instructors. PS we can chat tonight before y=going live with David Vance
Do driving instructors have a union / organisation we could get on board?
Mind Driving blew me away when i read it and went on to meet the author Steve Haley. I hope you get as much from it as I did. Maybe let me know. Adrian
Ex (very) Police Advanced driver here..some excellent points, in the main this has been my life and policing experience 😳
Good to hear from you my friend. Would you like to join my campaign team to see if we can bring about the changes I am advocating? Best regards. Adrian
@Feughsider cheers guv 😆..I will see what I can assist with in my bit of West Yorkshire, as you know never busier than when retired 😀..my email on the fritz but will supply alternate or perhaps WhatsApp unless you have links, ? Shall take another look at article ive saved 😊
@@Feughsiderfound links cheers 🍻
I had speeding ticket doing 26 on 20 school zone at 6am in July.
Going up the hill sun gleaming in my eyes trying to maintain safe driving rather than looking on Speedo.
I didn't even have chance to fight it. Sooo depressing.
Great video Geoff.
Gives us hope.
There's a guy that was high up in the establishment, telling you the game is all rigid, yet there will be sheeple still not believing it, as the bbc never said it.😊
Every policy officer should watch this ❤
This is really good, gentlemen! I have taken early retirement twelve months ago and I am now training to become an ADI.
Space and forward thinking are essential skills that I have taught my two children and also my wife.
Also, I have been an owner of classic cars, some of which had a decent turn of speed and when driving them in any situation, required much forward thinking and anticipating a possible poor decision by one of your fellow road users.
I am a big advocate that the majority of accidents are avoidable!
Good luck with your ADI training. The Mind Driving book will be an asset for you as well as the papers on Steve Haley's Skilldriver webiste concerning Young and Novice Drivers. Adrian
What a fantastic vlog thanks Geoff and Adrian
Great video GBC, what an interesting chap whose life and profession experience gives his views even more gravitas. Look forward to hearing more of your cooperation!
You put this out there a while ago on another video you did. The universe has delivered Adrian and I'm sure the two of you will run with this and it be a huge success. Superb video. X
Nice chap. Great content. Extremely wise. Very true, good luck both
The concept of speed , surprise and space is not new to me . I was taught this method back in 1987 by a motorcycle instructor. Thanks Geoff great content . Cheers 🤔
I've been on the roads for 56 years without accidents caused by me, or convictions. I have also raced single seaters successfully, winning races and setting lap records, Riding motorcycles should give you the need to look well ahead in order to see what's coming your way! Using this level of anticipation also enables you to see road signs, specifically speed limits in advance. Knowledge of how and when speed limits are displayed is useful, eg: no signs but street lights is usually 30 MPH.
A couple of points raised in this video...
1. I have always thought that there are two reasons for speeding. (mechanical failure is so rare, it's not worth a mention). Not knowing what the speed limit is equals driving without due care and attention is the first. Second is deliberate speeding which equals dangerous driving. (in the eyes of the do good-ers) So driving with anticipation should really help here.
2. Driving with integrity! I have been taught that integrity means doing the right thing, even if no one is watching. So stick to the limit regardless of the time of day/month/year.
I have always thought that compulsory driving standards checks should be made periodically, those that fail start over! Harsh but would make an awful lot of drivers a lot better but not harming the good ones.
Good luck with your project, I really hope it makes a difference. I think that the vast majority of drivers feel they are the best there is or they're just too lazy to work at it.
I think this lovely man is Stig ( probably spelled it wrong), off top gear from the good old days when Jeremy Clarkson and the other delightful men( their names elude me atm). What an excellent conversation, concept, reality and great for this to happen right now. You have my vote ❤️ xoxo
Fascinating topic.
Couldn’t agree more.
I was always taught to drive for the conditions and encouraged by the driving instructor to break the speed limit to get pass a lorry on the motorway so that you can be safe.
Driving to the conditions: I saw the 20mph in wales, off the main road there were cup-de-sacs that had sign posts to remind us to do 20! You would be lucky to get to 10 on these roads I don’t need to be told it’s common sense!
Then there is red light cameras on 50mph roads. I’ve slammed the breaks as soon as I’ve seen the amber light. How can that be safe for me or anyone else. Can you foresee this? You could slow down on an already busy road! Ideally we should adopt what they do in America and 300 yards before the lights you have flashing amber lights to warn of the lights that will change by the time you reach them.
Agreed. This is known as reducing the 'time exposed to danger'...yet breaking the speed limit to be safe would be frowned upon under the current black and white regime... Adrian
Speed cameras have done nothing to make driving safer. They have just made driving more expensive for a lot of people. Which only serves to prove that they don't work. Watched every second.
They're there to make money, so they DO work.
It’s not speed that kills, it’s the sudden stop that does it.
Watched all.
Some great ideas for safer driving.
My mum told me when I was a learner;
Don't drive faster than you can see or think and always expect the unexpected.
Great video. Drivers spend far too long looking at their speedos (or phones) rather than looking for hazards on the road. I'm a keen driver (ICE Alfas and Beemers) and like to hussle along from time to time, and have to say that my handling and observation skills were markedly improved by completing an Advanced Driver course. They are not just about whether or not you should cross your hands on the wheel...