To be fair, there is only a chance that he's their father. Does that make it better? In the terms that getting hit by a van sucks a little bit less then getting hit by a van right after getting a paper cut, yes. Does it make it right? no.... no....
Scott Summers harsh the inhumans were created by stan lee and jack kirby they were fine then they only became a pain when marvel decided to use them to fill in for the xmen
NoJusticeNoPeace In fairness, biting off the Blob's head is a pretty justified response to what he did. Sick shit. I hope she was already dead when he found her.
To be fair Gabriel was gods hitman, the will of god wasnt make sure this person finds religion, it was wipe out that city, start the apocalypse, blah blah blah
The Ultimates version of the characters weren't related. As for Magneto and Scarlet Witch...they aren't related either. Marvel has already removed them as Magneto's children...both in the MCU and the comics.
I'm so glad the 2000s and 2010s made comics more popular but marvel still ain't done losing their minds...that mess they tried by replacing the X-Men with inhumans and randomly changing classic characters is screwing them over.
Cap-Wolf has actually stuck around, surprisingly; one of the more recent Marvel Legends figures of Captain America came with an interchangeable Cap-Wolf head and set of hands!
TheComicCrafter Cap-Wolf is a classic storyline. I think it was how he got his super soldier serum blood back after the "ice incident", wherein a designer drug called "ice" (which may or may not be real, I've no idea), gets into Cap's system as a result of breathing in smoke fumes from an exploding building. It somehow latches on to the serum so that it never goes away. He becomes a paranoid, disheveled, delusional mess. This was back in the heavy "anti-drug" days and it was thought that the idea of Captain America getting his powers from a drug was a bad message to kids. Thus he got a blood transfusion, taking the tainted serum from his body.
Some people would count the time that Spider-Man battled Powdered Toast Man from "The Ren & Stimpy Show", but that was a pretty awesome and hilarious comic story, and I still have the issue of it as well. XD
Sire Kumasutra they didn’t lose their minds,they were on the verge of bankruptcy,due to low sales brought on by gimmick stories,changing characters,variant covers (and never learnt from that).They sold the movie rights fair and square and were happy with the box office success of the first 2 x men films,had comic tie in,promotional material,etc.(Same with Spider-Man).They then realised the movies were cash cows so created Marvel Studios and wanted the movie rights back,but now cry and behave like spoilt brats now they can’t get them back,eg ruining x men and FF comics,merchandise,video games.
Honestly I don't see it as acting like a spoiled brat to want your properties back when you know Fox is ruining them and you can treat them right. Also they are now competitor studios why not take their cash cow and ruin them?
Scott Summers and look what they ended up with The Inhumans tv.Now they are trying to reboot the X men comics knowing they fucked up.X titles were the best,biggest selling comics for about three decades.
Nate Tirade Ugh...disgusting. The Spider-Man/Jay Leno thing was better. At least Jay doesn't kill one of Punisher's most resilient foes...well, besides the Russian. I wish they'd bring back the Russian.
Every time that Ms Marvel story is mentioned I hope a tsunami of shame hits everyone in the comic world. The fact that a story like the was given the thumbs up to be printed is disgraceful. Ultra diverse marvel can never be as bad as that.
The rape aspect was easy to miss, otherwise it wouldn't have gotten published. Everyone sees it NOW because they've been told about it and can't help but see it.
Nx57ytre don't you dare bring up the slap! His mental health was fucked but since that's the only thing people remember from him they can't make him good again
Honestly, considering how women in comic books dress, practically any comic book is a Sports Illustrated for comic book readers. Special props go to Rogue who vacillated between a skin tight full body leotard in combat so that she was far less likely to use her life draining touch by accident and daisy dukes and a tank top when wandering through crowds of innocent and unsuspecting civilians.
All the dickheads that complain about "SJW" agenda do not consider it bad. Because it gave them masturbation material during a time it was hard to find porn. Now they call Marvel "SJW" because Captain Marvel is not wearing a swimsuit with a thong
You mention when the Punisher turned black and when he became an angel but ignore when he became Frankenstein’s monster? And the whole Angel dating Husk thing: I never understood why people think it’s squicky (unless you go by the movies where the X-Men are in their thirties and forties). But in the comics Angel started, like Spider-Man, as a high school aged teen and Marvel’s sliding timescale means he should be in his early-mid twenties. She was legal and he was, maybe, ten years older than her, at most. Yes, the whole, banging in front of her mom thing was stupid, but there were a lot more stupid things in Chuck Austen’s run. Like how Northstar’s only characterization was “I’m gay. I’m gay. Did I mention I’m gay?” Or how Polaris goes from crazy to sane at the drop of a hat. And how She-Hulk bangs Juggernaut the first time they meet. And Sammy the Fish Boy.
It's funny that people decry when Punisher turned black and became _spawn_ yet many actually like Frankencastle? To be fair, Jules didn't need to go into specifics, just say *The Chuck Austin run* and X-fans would have merely nodded and gone back to Suppressing the memories. Let's be honest, early Piotr and Kitty was a lot _worse_ considering Kitty was underage.
Art Of Tarara - pretty much every run Chuck Austen had on any big named comic (like his runs on X-Men and Superman) where sins against nature. His Exiles run was decent. He gave us evil Hyperion and that guy was a delight as a villain so it wasn’t all bad.
you forgot the time when they decided to reboot just because DC unnecessarily rebooted. y'know the MARVEL NOW & ALL_NEW ALL_DIFFERENT CRAP they forced on everyone.
There was an action figure of her in the Spider-Man Spider-Force toyline that came with armor you could attach to her that turned her into an actual wasp.
The punishers story isn't really black face he just lost his face and got a new one and was on the run from the cops its not like he painted his face black for a Halloween costume or for a joke he legit got a new face so its okay
The 90s were a very experimental time in comics in hindsight. Image did the same pushing boundaries when they started. So much that I think it was Rob Liefeld that sent an open letter to the other artists to tone down the violence after seeing one of their superheroes break a villains back over his knee showing the spine with gore snapping in half over a 2 page layout. And he was also sent a complaint letter in his Marvel run of New Mutants to tone down the size of the boobs lol
THIS is a good video. Aside from the Spiderman "One More Day" storyline, I didn't know about any of these. Now we need an entire video about that weird X-Men run mentioned in the video
Hate is far too mild a word to do justice to the level of loathing I hold for that. It's what killed any interest in reading Spider-man ever again after reading it for decades, since I was a kid, and dealing with so many less then good writers in that time.
palace neon I haven't read it, but I always had a problem with Joe Quesada's insistence that the marriage between Peter Parker and Mary Jane be undone. Like Dan Didio's sick obsession with killing Dick Grayson.
It'll take the Second Coming to make me even consider to start considering finally forgiving MARVEL for that...because not only is it a terrible story that had everyone out of character, all the good Spider-Man stuff that has come out sine (Dan Slott's run, Spider-Verse, Superior Spider-Man etc.) has been unnecessarily tainted by it
What's weird is that Peter Parker gets some life lessons from God, and then makes a deal with the devil. Basically the whole appearance of the TOAA was pointless, so why do it if they were going to cock everything up anyway
@tamblr Hasan What happened from a literary point of view was: Peter met God, then a little while later, Marvel Chief Editor Joe Quesada forced J. Michael Straczynski to write One More Day; the story about Peter making a deal with the devil and nullify his marriage to MJ. JMS came up with ways that it wouldn't contradict previously established history but Quesada wanted none of it. He just wanted the story printed. It didn't make sense AT ALL. But that didn't matter to Quesada. He wanted HIS story to be run and JMS reluctantly did it then quit the company. The story further didn't make sense because out of everyone on Marvel Earth at that time, NOBODY could cure a simple bullet would. Not Beast, not Hank Pym, not Tony Stark, not even Doctor Strange. It was complete and utter nonsense, but the Editor in Chief wanted it written, no matter how little sense it made.
Jaemeel Robinson True. The shortened re-telling was much better. Bringing Harry back worked better than Norman. Harry just seemed to pass away. Easily faked. Norman surviving impalement and remaining undetected for so long seems unlikely
8:00 Anyone who loves what Carol Danvers has been since the 2000s, give your due respect, profound thanks and utter worship to Kurt Busiek. His Avengers and Iron Man runs are the sole reasons she ever became more than a 1970s sexist relic.
Jebradiah Drake Credit where it's due always...comics have enough underacknowledged talent as it stands. Nor did Busiek's contributions to the field stop with his Marvel work. I proselytize everyone to at least give his long-running series Astro City a peek.
Johnathon Haney Carol lost all relevancy after the rape storyline and didn’t reclaim it until Busiek humanized her as this reckless alcoholic who slowly lost her friends
Mark Galan Precisely my point, thank you. One might even say Busiek's story arc was a metaphor for how she'd been treated by Marvel before he stepped in.
I haven't even started the video yet, but I just have to ask. 10? Just 10 times? Is this going to be an ongoing series? There are at least 50 times Marvel have lost their freakin minds. Limiting it to 10 must have been very difficult. And play...
What about when the Blob ate the Wasp. Or how about in the Ultimates the incestuous relationship between Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch - there was even a scene where they were "doing it' while Wolverine watched. On the subject of Wolverine there was the crazy scene where Hulk ripped Wolverine in half. And we could probably go on and on. A list of ten is simply too short to list marvel's madness.
Yeah, that Ms. Marvel story is rightly infamous. If there's anything which Marvel would like to have just forgotten, you found it. That character's first few decades are pretty well defined as old-school comics trying to prove that as an industry they could in fact write women and totally proving that they could not.
When they turn Carol Danvers into a Fascist with a really awful haircut, when Jean Grey Make Iceman gay, when they hired Erica Henderson to make Squirrel Girl, when they created America Chavez, and the list goes on and on
Antonio Mateus Kate Bishop and female Thor were okay, but Iron heart was one of the reasons why there is such a thing as *too much* diversity in comics. Squirrel Girl was a stupid idea back when she was introduced, and America Chavez was another example of too much diversity in comics.
Allen Murallo It's not exactly too much diversity, it's more like nowadays they can't manage to write diversity in a way that's organic or natural. Back in the day, like how it is now, groups like X Men and characters like Black Panther are pretty much reactions to what happened back in the day, but they way they were written is that they focused on how they are as characters and their adventures, instead of focusing on what kind of message their creations are supposed to send. Like they straight up made Riri a Mary Sue without any real significant character development. How did she even make that armor in her garage? Where did she even get the materials? I get that they're probably trying to send the message of "black young women can succeed too" but it just fell flat. Also I know Squirrel Girl is stupid. But she's still awesome.
Can't at least change the artist of squirrel girl, 9 out of 10 people that I know can barely watch the comic, by the way I think that they have added way too many characters, I mean she's supposed to be a Joke character, but that doesn't work when the rest of her teammates are even lamer than the ones she had in Great Lakes Avenger
oh boy, some stuff that's happened in the past few years certainly ranks with what you've picked out. -Spider-Man gets body-jacked by Doctor Octopus and no one in Spidey's immediate circle of friends and family notices despite Ock behaving like an out-and-out supervillain while in Spider-Man's body. -Civil War II and pretty much everything in it (War Machine is killed because writers jumped the gun on the movie, She-Hulk and Iron Man put in a coma, Hawkeye kills Hulk). -Captain America is revealed to be a Hydra sleeper agent and almost takes over the country. -the above plot line is resolved by a man who vomits up a Deus Ex Machina. -pretty much everything tied to Marvel Legacy.
Missing: Aftermath of Counter-X where they revamped the X-Men Universe and made 90% utterly unreadable with X-Force/X-Statix the only thing worth reading while Morrison and Austin shit the bed.
A quick correction. Austen didn't stop writing comics after She Lies with Angels. He would write the solo X-Men title and had a brief run on Avengers that was suddenly ended. So he wrote for the company for another year or two. And no , Marvel's bankruptcy had little to do with comics and sales. It actually involved the main company which over-expanded into theme parks , trading card companies etc. The comics division would expand and be asked to pick up the brunt of this. (a fact they had like 175 monthly titles at one point !) . The publishing part is the only money making part by this stage and they did a re-organization bankruptcy and filed that the publishing part was only thing generating money. (They cut the number of monthly books down as well).
Female Thor? The new Iron Man (who isn't a man)? Those should be on the list. Diversity is fine; just don't ruin existing characters. Create wonderful new characters, or would that take too much effort?
The hell are you talking about? Female Thor is one of the best selling titles and the most critically acclaimed one. And it managed to make Odinson super interesting again in Unworthy after being in a slump. Ironheart is pretty good too and has had a lot of success in sales too. It's a little too early to say how it will endure though but it certainly bring some interesting stuff, particularly concerning Tony Stark's mind itself. She also is a completely new character so I don't know what you're talking about, she's inspired by Stark for sure but I fail to see why you'd have a problem with the whole "youngster inspired by current heroes into becoming the next generation", that's basically a staple of the genre. Especially when it leads to confrontation or disillusion (like in Ms Marvel during Civil War II which was a lousy event but didn't affect the Ms Marvel line too badly) "Create wonderful new characters, or would that take too much effort?" There's simply not enough room for everyone. New characters have to take the place of old characters, that's just how the market works unless you decide to make every book a team one. So creating new characters (which they absolutely do) would not solve the issue you have at all. It would just make more former character disappear without a clear legacy (which the inspired youngster thing solved). Still I don't disagree that more completely new characters and identity wouldn't be better, but that problem has little to do with diversity and everything to do with the comics being a playground for the MCU to find successors to the current characters (or rather actors) in a safe manner.
Aesahethr Aesahethr dude you remind me of my local comic book guy, he enjoys comics from old shcool to new school in almost everthing. I took after him to see the goods in all things and later to see the faults BUT what gets me is, me being small time comic collectors (I like getting them from the 80s-early 90s) -- ya know what I can go on and on and on and on about how he help me see things not in black and white with books but... Your whole defense, everything you just typed...I've been trying to get people to understand that for the longest. Sure it doesn't justify not experimenting a lot with new toons, and I'm not "that" big of a fan of race swap/ re-paint (that's why moon girl is so cool and I'd like to see Miles as the Tarantula) but me who can't buy every new comic release due to cash I normally resort to the web and the fights online is "IT'S A GREAT COMIC" or "IT'S SJW BULLSHIT". Anyway it goes I'm still a "comic NORMIE" becuase I can tolerate and enjoy the comic relief of which is squirrel gir (the Jar Jat of the mcu)l, or I accept Chavez, and that I can kiiiiiinda... understand where Mockingbird is coming from. Now I don't want to fit in with the "og heads" nor the """""hipsters""""" as if the actully were... I guess the moral of my banter is don't back down just yet! And that I am so happy to see another one who thinks like me and can see it from a business stand point, well business and care cause like you said Foster is doing the best out them all so apparently they care for the charscter a lot. I tell ya it's been months since I seen a comment like yours who doesn't hate it unconditional nor gives it it's all out blind love... Maaaan there needs to be a forum/fanbase out there for the open-minded swear to god it'll have under 1k joiners
Come on man, The Last Temptation isn't a biography it's a fuckin concept album with a neat comic to go with it. Alice Cooper in comics has always been consistently entertaining. He's a fuckin legend.
Deadpoolrockz6 You anti Marvel trolls always go after Marvel for being "SJW" but give DC a free pass even though THEY'RE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING. Black Wally West, Arab and Latina Green Lanterns, Batgirl's current series, Wonder Woman is bisexual, the Ray is gay, DC's Bombshells is an entire series filled with gay, bi, lesbian, and trans women....the list goes on and on. But it's fine as long as it's not Marvel, right? Fuck off.
blackphoenix77 the only reason why I said "Marvel" specifically was because this was a Marvel only list. That doesn't mean I deny that these types of things don't also happen in other comics.
blackphoenix77 I mean currently, Marvel stories are lacking in quality due to those types of ideals being rammed in there compared to recent DC comics . Most of it was in The New 52 era of DC, but since DC Rebirth, all that stough has taken back seat. They still are there, but its not affecting the over all quality of the stories too much thank god.
Captain America and Magneto turning out to be Hydra! WTF! Kind of an example of writers not knowing the history of their characters, and I can't believe Marvel actually let it happen!
Jack Fronz I wouldn't say everything, but MJ in Homecoming genuinely pissed me off. I'll eat a live frog before I let them take away my redheads from me.
I think they lost their minds very early into their history, when they begun to expose children to *body horror* Now Marvel is mainly considered for adults, but they really didn't need to expose impressionable minds to such dark themes.
You can expand this list to include just about everything they've done in the past few years. And lay off Orson Scott Card, OK? Just because he doesn't support gay marriage doesn't make him a gay-hater. You say that in every damn WC video that mentions him. Disagreement =/= hate.
Not really. You can still disagree with someone and not hate them. My sister and I are on opposite ends of the political spectrum and we still get along just fine. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, but I don't hate gays.
SF Junkie the thing is, even if you insist you don't hate gays but work against them having equal rights, you are in fact, a homophobe. A gay hater. Unless you would happily vote for gay marriage while personally not believing in it, in which case you're a person who puts human decency over personal feelings. Somebody who says they like black people but will fund the KKK are racist. Somebody who supports movements against gay people having equal rights while saying they don't hate gays aren't just homophobes, but hypocritical homophobes.
The term homophobe implies that someone is afraid of gays, which I am not. I don't bear them any ill will, but I believe marriage is defined as the union of one man and one woman. People are free to love who they want, but if it is same-sex, call it a civil union, don't redefine marriage. Just my personal belief. It bothers me that people nowadays (those on the left in particular) insist that anyone who deviates from their belief system must be a hater, when that is simply not the case.
SF Junkie marriage has existed outside of religion for years, so your idea of it does not apply to state law. Your idea of what homophobia is is demonstratively false. Homophobia is a hatred of gays, not a fear of them. It's the same as people who didn't want interracial marriages to happen. You are acting against their rights as human beings. Your religious beliefs have no bearing on what is a human right, and honestly you are as much a homophobe as Orson Scott Card is. 100%.
blackphoenix77 the only reason why I said "Marvel" specifically was because this was a Marvel only list. That doesn't mean I deny that these types of things don't also happen in other comics.
Common Last Temptation of Alice was actually an entertaining read. And from an Alice Cooper fans perspective it was a pretty good album, just totally the wrong time period for such comic/music crossover thingys.
Scarlet witch and quicksilver have twincest outside, while Wolverine, their father in that universe watches from behind bushes
Ah, the legendary Ultimate Comics Twincest
To be fair, there is only a chance that he's their father.
Does that make it better? In the terms that getting hit by a van sucks a little bit less then getting hit by a van right after getting a paper cut, yes.
Does it make it right?
no.... no....
There's a great hillbilly joke in there somewhere
@@jordanloux3883 only if quicksilver finds it in scarlet witch.
It's probably already been posted but, KILLING ALL OF THE MUTANTS AND TRYING TO REPLACE THEM WITH THE INHUMANS! WTF MARVEL!?!
That's because Fox owned the movie rights to the word "mutant", so Disney wanted to use "Inhumans" instead of "mutants". Simple business decision.
Scott Summers harsh the inhumans were created by stan lee and jack kirby they were fine then they only became a pain when marvel decided to use them to fill in for the xmen
Vengeance because they don't have the rights to the movies, is the same when the fuckers cancelled fantastic four!
@@sleazybtd Apparently it wasn't even Disney but the former head of Marvel. The new one brought back the Fantastic Four so that's nice.
@@sleazybtd no it's because Ike Perlmutter is a fucking dumbass
Captain America is secret agent for Hydra and the there’s the whole clone saga thing.
Don’t fall for the first two replies those are bots meant to talk to each other
The Blob _eating_ Wasp? And then Giant Man biting The Blob's head off?
NoJusticeNoPeace ultimatum was such a dumpster fire
NoJusticeNoPeace In fairness, biting off the Blob's head is a pretty justified response to what he did. Sick shit. I hope she was already dead when he found her.
The Ultimatum storyline wouldn't leave room for anything else on the list.
yeah and i got that mental image burned into my brain.
late to the party but pym has no right to be pissed about someone killing his wife. not after the bug spray and ant attack he did to her before
to be honest if punisher were an angel he would have to be the angel of death if anything
Considering the Angel Punisher's deal was "kill the criminals that Heaven wants dead", he kind of was :P
For more examples of angels of death, see also Bayonetta.
MONARCH TO THE KINGDOM OF THE DEEEEEEAD
How would deadpool feel about that
To be fair Gabriel was gods hitman, the will of god wasnt make sure this person finds religion, it was wipe out that city, start the apocalypse, blah blah blah
Having Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver fuck in Ultimates.
Why, Marvel.
Why.
Because twincest is wincest thats why.
What's so bad about that? Next up- Magneto fucks the Scarlet Witch. Or, maybe he already has, hmmm.
@@secondcomingofbast9908 or maybe quicksilver and magneto can double team scarlet witch.
The Ultimates version of the characters weren't related. As for Magneto and Scarlet Witch...they aren't related either. Marvel has already removed them as Magneto's children...both in the MCU and the comics.
@@alexubel what they weren't related thats disappointing😢
I'm so glad the 2000s and 2010s made comics more popular but marvel still ain't done losing their minds...that mess they tried by replacing the X-Men with inhumans and randomly changing classic characters is screwing them over.
The god in spider man looks like Tommy from the Room 😂😂
BurningEagle "You're tearing me apart, [insert character name here]!"
Oh hai Pete, how’s your sex life?
If a lot of people love each other, the world would be a better place to live!
Lisa loves you, as a person, as a human bean.
BurningEagle "Oh hai, Peter. Your aunt got shot? Ha ha ha...what a funny story, Peter."
Cap-Wolf has actually stuck around, surprisingly; one of the more recent Marvel Legends figures of Captain America came with an interchangeable Cap-Wolf head and set of hands!
TheComicCrafter Cap-Wolf is a classic storyline. I think it was how he got his super soldier serum blood back after the "ice incident", wherein a designer drug called "ice" (which may or may not be real, I've no idea), gets into Cap's system as a result of breathing in smoke fumes from an exploding building. It somehow latches on to the serum so that it never goes away. He becomes a paranoid, disheveled, delusional mess. This was back in the heavy "anti-drug" days and it was thought that the idea of Captain America getting his powers from a drug was a bad message to kids. Thus he got a blood transfusion, taking the tainted serum from his body.
Cap-Wolf carried on to Falcon when he became the new Captain America and he turned into the new Cap-Wolf
Cap-Wolf was nothing. Superia almost turned CA and Paladin into women about 15 iissues later.
Some people would count the time that Spider-Man battled Powdered Toast Man from "The Ren & Stimpy Show", but that was a pretty awesome and hilarious comic story, and I still have the issue of it as well. XD
Casey Decker i refuse to believe this was a bad thing
I...I...Oh man, please tell me which issue... i NEED that one xD.
Nevermind, i've found it.
A good chunk of this list felt like linkaras's greatest hits.
The time when marvel lost their damn minds is when they killed Spider-Man. Which time, you may ask... Everytime. 😁
Selling the film rights of X-Men and Fantastic 4 to FOX
Sire Kumasutra they didn’t lose their minds,they were on the verge of bankruptcy,due to low sales brought on by gimmick stories,changing characters,variant covers (and never learnt from that).They sold the movie rights fair and square and were happy with the box office success of the first 2 x men films,had comic tie in,promotional material,etc.(Same with Spider-Man).They then realised the movies were cash cows so created Marvel Studios and wanted the movie rights back,but now cry and behave like spoilt brats now they can’t get them back,eg ruining x men and FF comics,merchandise,video games.
Honestly I don't see it as acting like a spoiled brat to want your properties back when you know Fox is ruining them and you can treat them right. Also they are now competitor studios why not take their cash cow and ruin them?
Scott Summers and look what they ended up with The Inhumans tv.Now they are trying to reboot the X men comics knowing they fucked up.X titles were the best,biggest selling comics for about three decades.
Scott Summers exactly.And disappointing they were took out of the latest Lego game.Although cool it has loads of obscure characters ..
Looks like Disney made a deal with Fox to get the film rights back.
No Eminem/Punisher?
No Punisher/Archie, Frankencastle either.
The Man From Krypton Hang on...Punisher/Archie wasn't bad.
Nate Tirade Ugh...disgusting. The Spider-Man/Jay Leno thing was better. At least Jay doesn't kill one of Punisher's most resilient foes...well, besides the Russian. I wish they'd bring back the Russian.
That shit was dope you on drugs?
Every time that Ms Marvel story is mentioned I hope a tsunami of shame hits everyone in the comic world. The fact that a story like the was given the thumbs up to be printed is disgraceful. Ultra diverse marvel can never be as bad as that.
Kudakwashe Timba at least she isn't a man in that one
The rape aspect was easy to miss, otherwise it wouldn't have gotten published. Everyone sees it NOW because they've been told about it and can't help but see it.
Why do you think there are four people credited as writer, Jimmy Shooter decided if I'm going down in flames I'm taking you all with me
I really don't think it was easy to miss wtf
Guess someone isn't gonna be happy when they see the mid credits scene of Infinity War.
hank we asked you to fix her not kronenberg her
To be fair, it's not the worst thing Hank has done to another living being.
Nx57ytre don't you dare bring up the slap! His mental health was fucked but since that's the only thing people remember from him they can't make him good again
Earth Fire Water Some would put the creation of Ultron above that...
I was just thinking about that swimsuit thing they did in the 90s.
Honestly, considering how women in comic books dress, practically any comic book is a Sports Illustrated for comic book readers.
Special props go to Rogue who vacillated between a skin tight full body leotard in combat so that she was far less likely to use her life draining touch by accident and daisy dukes and a tank top when wandering through crowds of innocent and unsuspecting civilians.
Whitney Asante
Were you in the shower?
Yeah but it's so cringe and didn't really help with stereotypes about comic readers. Also I'm kind of a prude.
::is confused:: should I be?
All the dickheads that complain about "SJW" agenda do not consider it bad. Because it gave them masturbation material during a time it was hard to find porn. Now they call Marvel "SJW" because Captain Marvel is not wearing a swimsuit with a thong
You mention when the Punisher turned black and when he became an angel but ignore when he became Frankenstein’s monster?
And the whole Angel dating Husk thing: I never understood why people think it’s squicky (unless you go by the movies where the X-Men are in their thirties and forties). But in the comics Angel started, like Spider-Man, as a high school aged teen and Marvel’s sliding timescale means he should be in his early-mid twenties. She was legal and he was, maybe, ten years older than her, at most. Yes, the whole, banging in front of her mom thing was stupid, but there were a lot more stupid things in Chuck Austen’s run. Like how Northstar’s only characterization was “I’m gay. I’m gay. Did I mention I’m gay?” Or how Polaris goes from crazy to sane at the drop of a hat. And how She-Hulk bangs Juggernaut the first time they meet. And Sammy the Fish Boy.
It's funny that people decry when Punisher turned black and became _spawn_ yet many actually like Frankencastle?
To be fair, Jules didn't need to go into specifics, just say *The Chuck Austin run* and X-fans would have merely nodded and gone back to Suppressing the memories. Let's be honest, early Piotr and Kitty was a lot _worse_ considering Kitty was underage.
I am really glad I haven't read those comics...
Art Of Tarara - pretty much every run Chuck Austen had on any big named comic (like his runs on X-Men and Superman) where sins against nature. His Exiles run was decent. He gave us evil Hyperion and that guy was a delight as a villain so it wasn’t all bad.
Rachel J - Yep. FrankenCastle. He was killed by Wolverine’s son Daken and put back together as a monster by Morbius.
She-Hulk was f#$%ing the Juggernaut?
The entirety of the clone saga.
Ain't THAT the gospel truth of comics!
The insanely convoluted, time runs out and 2015 secret wars storyline, along with everything leading up to it, as an honorable mention
8:24 that comic book with Alice Cooper is very good. It ties in with The Last Temptation CD perfectly
you forgot the time when they decided to reboot just because DC unnecessarily rebooted. y'know the MARVEL NOW & ALL_NEW ALL_DIFFERENT CRAP they forced on everyone.
I kinda liked the bug humanoid wasp's design and can barely find pics of her
There was an action figure of her in the Spider-Man Spider-Force toyline that came with armor you could attach to her that turned her into an actual wasp.
Kinda wish more fanart of wasp in that form would show up
I had her toy.
Yes.
The punishers story isn't really black face he just lost his face and got a new one and was on the run from the cops its not like he painted his face black for a Halloween costume or for a joke he legit got a new face so its okay
Kyren It's not okay. It's not offensive in anyway, but that doesn't make it okay. It's still silly as all shit.
well you forgot that time magneto's twins literally laid in front of wolverine
I'd probably love that whole marvel music thing cause of how ridiculous it is.
Just ten?
@@ianbailey8745 only a year?!? Hell that would only cover about a handful of God awful storylines.
That line "you still with me... Cause I am not" after the incestuous time travel story fucking killed me 😂😂😂
The 90s were a very experimental time in comics in hindsight. Image did the same pushing boundaries when they started. So much that I think it was Rob Liefeld that sent an open letter to the other artists to tone down the violence after seeing one of their superheroes break a villains back over his knee showing the spine with gore snapping in half over a 2 page layout. And he was also sent a complaint letter in his Marvel run of New Mutants to tone down the size of the boobs lol
*When they had spider-man become a real spider*
Axel Alonso gone so maybe they're getting there shit together
THIS is a good video. Aside from the Spiderman "One More Day" storyline, I didn't know about any of these. Now we need an entire video about that weird X-Men run mentioned in the video
Man, I hated "One More Day". Like if you agree
Its the worst of the worst
Hate is far too mild a word to do justice to the level of loathing I hold for that. It's what killed any interest in reading Spider-man ever again after reading it for decades, since I was a kid, and dealing with so many less then good writers in that time.
palace neon I haven't read it, but I always had a problem with Joe Quesada's insistence that the marriage between Peter Parker and Mary Jane be undone. Like Dan Didio's sick obsession with killing Dick Grayson.
It'll take the Second Coming to make me even consider to start considering finally forgiving MARVEL for that...because not only is it a terrible story that had everyone out of character, all the good Spider-Man stuff that has come out sine (Dan Slott's run, Spider-Verse, Superior Spider-Man etc.) has been unnecessarily tainted by it
+palace neon Can't beat having Cap's brainwashed girlfriend murder him.
The One-Above-All (God) is a Canon Marvel character. Why is it weird that he appears in comic?
Because in Marvel's entire publication history you can count TOAA's appearances on one hand. Not even using all fingers...
What's weird is that Peter Parker gets some life lessons from God, and then makes a deal with the devil. Basically the whole appearance of the TOAA was pointless, so why do it if they were going to cock everything up anyway
Not weird to me that he exists in marvel to me... weird for him to talk in person to spiderman.
Leon Evelake Why not? The Fantastic Four met him when Ben Grimm was dead. He was an artist with a stunning resemblance to Jack Kirby back then.
@tamblr Hasan
What happened from a literary point of view was:
Peter met God, then a little while later, Marvel Chief Editor Joe Quesada forced J. Michael Straczynski to write One More Day; the story about Peter making a deal with the devil and nullify his marriage to MJ. JMS came up with ways that it wouldn't contradict previously established history but Quesada wanted none of it. He just wanted the story printed. It didn't make sense AT ALL. But that didn't matter to Quesada. He wanted HIS story to be run and JMS reluctantly did it then quit the company.
The story further didn't make sense because out of everyone on Marvel Earth at that time, NOBODY could cure a simple bullet would. Not Beast, not Hank Pym, not Tony Stark, not even Doctor Strange. It was complete and utter nonsense, but the Editor in Chief wanted it written, no matter how little sense it made.
The Clone Saga
Renaissance Nerd The only thing wrong with it was it was extended because if sales and the aftermath. Other than that it wss fine.
Jaemeel Robinson True. The shortened re-telling was much better. Bringing Harry back worked better than Norman. Harry just seemed to pass away. Easily faked. Norman surviving impalement and remaining undetected for so long seems unlikely
8:00 Anyone who loves what Carol Danvers has been since the 2000s, give your due respect, profound thanks and utter worship to Kurt Busiek. His Avengers and Iron Man runs are the sole reasons she ever became more than a 1970s sexist relic.
Ian Bailey I apologize if I ever gave you the impression that I gave a shit about that.
Wow you seem angry. Good luck with that.
Jebradiah Drake Credit where it's due always...comics have enough underacknowledged talent as it stands. Nor did Busiek's contributions to the field stop with his Marvel work. I proselytize everyone to at least give his long-running series Astro City a peek.
Johnathon Haney Carol lost all relevancy after the rape storyline and didn’t reclaim it until Busiek humanized her as this reckless alcoholic who slowly lost her friends
Mark Galan Precisely my point, thank you. One might even say Busiek's story arc was a metaphor for how she'd been treated by Marvel before he stepped in.
"All of Chuck Austen's X-Men run" If only I could like this video twice
That crazy redesign they had for Thor in the 90s comes to mind.
Sellin F4 to Fox
It wasn't even to Fox, it was to Constantine Films.
Turning Cap into a werewolf is here but not him turning into a Nazi? Ok then...
I haven't even started the video yet, but I just have to ask. 10? Just 10 times? Is this going to be an ongoing series? There are at least 50 times Marvel have lost their freakin minds. Limiting it to 10 must have been very difficult.
And play...
As always, wonderful video!
What about when the Blob ate the Wasp. Or how about in the Ultimates the incestuous relationship between Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch - there was even a scene where they were "doing it' while Wolverine watched. On the subject of Wolverine there was the crazy scene where Hulk ripped Wolverine in half. And we could probably go on and on. A list of ten is simply too short to list marvel's madness.
Thanks for uncovering my repressed memories 😣
hey have you done " TOP 10 MARVEL/DC CROSSOVERS WE WISH WOULD HAPPEN" yet? cause I got some ideas :)
HarleyxJoker FOREVER wth, why not JokerxBatman thats good shit
Marvel actually already has Satan as a separate character from Mephisto. I don't know why so many people forget this.
Gwen Stacy sleeping with Norman Osborn.
When mysterio made Peter's parents come back alive to emotionally destable him
You forgot the Eminem/ Punisher crossover
Yeah, that Ms. Marvel story is rightly infamous. If there's anything which Marvel would like to have just forgotten, you found it. That character's first few decades are pretty well defined as old-school comics trying to prove that as an industry they could in fact write women and totally proving that they could not.
When they turn Carol Danvers into a Fascist with a really awful haircut, when Jean Grey Make Iceman gay, when they hired Erica Henderson to make Squirrel Girl, when they created America Chavez, and the list goes on and on
Slayerthecrow don't forget Thorina, Ironwoman and Ms. Hawkeye
Slayerthecrow I like Carol's new hair. Even if some artists can't draw it
Antonio Mateus Kate Bishop and female Thor were okay, but Iron heart was one of the reasons why there is such a thing as *too much* diversity in comics. Squirrel Girl was a stupid idea back when she was introduced, and America Chavez was another example of too much diversity in comics.
Allen Murallo It's not exactly too much diversity, it's more like nowadays they can't manage to write diversity in a way that's organic or natural. Back in the day, like how it is now, groups like X Men and characters like Black Panther are pretty much reactions to what happened back in the day, but they way they were written is that they focused on how they are as characters and their adventures, instead of focusing on what kind of message their creations are supposed to send. Like they straight up made Riri a Mary Sue without any real significant character development. How did she even make that armor in her garage? Where did she even get the materials? I get that they're probably trying to send the message of "black young women can succeed too" but it just fell flat.
Also I know Squirrel Girl is stupid. But she's still awesome.
Can't at least change the artist of squirrel girl, 9 out of 10 people that I know can barely watch the comic, by the way I think that they have added way too many characters, I mean she's supposed to be a Joke character, but that doesn't work when the rest of her teammates are even lamer than the ones she had in Great Lakes Avenger
oh boy, some stuff that's happened in the past few years certainly ranks with what you've picked out.
-Spider-Man gets body-jacked by Doctor Octopus and no one in Spidey's immediate circle of friends and family notices despite Ock behaving like an out-and-out supervillain while in Spider-Man's body.
-Civil War II and pretty much everything in it (War Machine is killed because writers jumped the gun on the movie, She-Hulk and Iron Man put in a coma, Hawkeye kills Hulk).
-Captain America is revealed to be a Hydra sleeper agent and almost takes over the country.
-the above plot line is resolved by a man who vomits up a Deus Ex Machina.
-pretty much everything tied to Marvel Legacy.
They’re losing their damn minds while we speak
"Ultimate Iron Man is a Suoer Smurf"
OK, WHO'S BEEN IN THE WEED AGAIN?
Linkara
Zetaforce 2500 "He is a man! Punch! Wears a purdy hat!"
I still remember his reviews on The Dark Knight Strikes Again and All-star Batman and Robin, the Boy Wonder to this day.
Allen Murallo Me too.
"This comic sucks"
Allen Murallo His Holy Terror review is his magnum opus even though that was a horrible horrible comic.Thanks Frank Miller,now go F**k yourself.
Great stuff Jules. You too are awesome!
A perfect example of Marvel losing their minds was when they continued to allow Slott to write The Amazing Spider-Man
The one time that Antman had to fight off Zombie Ultrons in the ruins of Secret Wars.
Why does Spiderman's god look like Tommy Wiseau with cracked lips and cheeks?
OMG. My friend had Avengers 197 . I'd totally forgotten about that whole weird Ms. Marvel story line!
What about that time where Loki turned Thor into a frog????
Throg the frog of thunder with he's mighty Frogjolnir!
Aurorajojing Hey, Throg is a classic character...that somehow still exists...
Embarrassing his brother by turning him into a frog is a very loki thing to do so...
Minupa Kumarasinghe Yeah, it was very embarrassing...for Loki when Frog Thor got his own hammer.
Missing:
Aftermath of Counter-X where they revamped the X-Men Universe and made 90% utterly unreadable with X-Force/X-Statix the only thing worth reading while Morrison and Austin shit the bed.
I thought the clone saga would be number 1
and partly, Jules, Cap starts to resemble Rocket Raccoon in this scene... 4:00
what
the *living*
hell... O_o
Yup comics are weird.
I think for the last decade or so Marvel Comics have consistently lost their minds
A few of these have been on the series "Nitpickers", on the channel Action Figures Comics! *Check'em out!*
No.
Bruchmuch I said "A few".
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Civil war 2, Carl Manvers, having Peter Parker not being peter Parker, having Riri Williams as not the bad guy
#11 the clone saga should have NEVER HAPPENED!
A quick correction. Austen didn't stop writing comics after She Lies with Angels. He would write the solo X-Men title and had a brief run on Avengers that was suddenly ended. So he wrote for the company for another year or two. And no , Marvel's bankruptcy had little to do with comics and sales. It actually involved the main company which over-expanded into theme parks , trading card companies etc. The comics division would expand and be asked to pick up the brunt of this. (a fact they had like 175 monthly titles at one point !) . The publishing part is the only money making part by this stage and they did a re-organization bankruptcy and filed that the publishing part was only thing generating money. (They cut the number of monthly books down as well).
Female Thor? The new Iron Man (who isn't a man)? Those should be on the list. Diversity is fine; just don't ruin existing characters. Create wonderful new characters, or would that take too much effort?
Riri never calls herself Iron Man.
FemThor is a load of crap though.
Brian. Jr Montoya
No, I'd argue America Chavez is worse though.
The hell are you talking about? Female Thor is one of the best selling titles and the most critically acclaimed one. And it managed to make Odinson super interesting again in Unworthy after being in a slump.
Ironheart is pretty good too and has had a lot of success in sales too. It's a little too early to say how it will endure though but it certainly bring some interesting stuff, particularly concerning Tony Stark's mind itself. She also is a completely new character so I don't know what you're talking about, she's inspired by Stark for sure but I fail to see why you'd have a problem with the whole "youngster inspired by current heroes into becoming the next generation", that's basically a staple of the genre. Especially when it leads to confrontation or disillusion (like in Ms Marvel during Civil War II which was a lousy event but didn't affect the Ms Marvel line too badly)
"Create wonderful new characters, or would that take too much effort?"
There's simply not enough room for everyone. New characters have to take the place of old characters, that's just how the market works unless you decide to make every book a team one. So creating new characters (which they absolutely do) would not solve the issue you have at all. It would just make more former character disappear without a clear legacy (which the inspired youngster thing solved). Still I don't disagree that more completely new characters and identity wouldn't be better, but that problem has little to do with diversity and everything to do with the comics being a playground for the MCU to find successors to the current characters (or rather actors) in a safe manner.
Aesahethr Aesahethr dude you remind me of my local comic book guy, he enjoys comics from old shcool to new school in almost everthing. I took after him to see the goods in all things and later to see the faults BUT what gets me is, me being small time comic collectors (I like getting them from the 80s-early 90s) -- ya know what I can go on and on and on and on about how he help me see things not in black and white with books but...
Your whole defense, everything you just typed...I've been trying to get people to understand that for the longest. Sure it doesn't justify not experimenting a lot with new toons, and I'm not "that" big of a fan of race swap/ re-paint (that's why moon girl is so cool and I'd like to see Miles as the Tarantula) but me who can't buy every new comic release due to cash I normally resort to the web and the fights online is "IT'S A GREAT COMIC" or "IT'S SJW BULLSHIT". Anyway it goes I'm still a "comic NORMIE" becuase I can tolerate and enjoy the comic relief of which is squirrel gir (the Jar Jat of the mcu)l, or I accept Chavez, and that I can kiiiiiinda... understand where Mockingbird is coming from. Now I don't want to fit in with the "og heads" nor the """""hipsters""""" as if the actully were...
I guess the moral of my banter is don't back down just yet! And that I am so happy to see another one who thinks like me and can see it from a business stand point, well business and care cause like you said Foster is doing the best out them all so apparently they care for the charscter a lot. I tell ya it's been months since I seen a comment like yours who doesn't hate it unconditional nor gives it it's all out blind love...
Maaaan there needs to be a forum/fanbase out there for the open-minded swear to god it'll have under 1k joiners
This list should be obviously re-titled "When Triggypuff wouldn't 100% approve"
Come on man, The Last Temptation isn't a biography it's a fuckin concept album with a neat comic to go with it. Alice Cooper in comics has always been consistently entertaining. He's a fuckin legend.
Marvel Zombies.
The 90s was a messed up time for a lot of things honestly, it's just to the extreme in comics and animation.
At least we got Lion King was the 90s.
And nirvana
Vlad 117: And Batman:The Animated Series. Along with Superman: the Animated Series and Batman Beyond.
Basically things to keep out of Marvel comics are Religous elements, specifically Angels, God, etc and SJW agendas
So, things that have always been there???
Deadpoolrockz6 You anti Marvel trolls always go after Marvel for being "SJW" but give DC a free pass even though THEY'RE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING. Black Wally West, Arab and Latina Green Lanterns, Batgirl's current series, Wonder Woman is bisexual, the Ray is gay, DC's Bombshells is an entire series filled with gay, bi, lesbian, and trans women....the list goes on and on. But it's fine as long as it's not Marvel, right? Fuck off.
blackphoenix77 the only reason why I said "Marvel" specifically was because this was a Marvel only list. That doesn't mean I deny that these types of things don't also happen in other comics.
Deadpoolrockz6 At least you see reason; most fanboys act like this is a Marvel only thing.
blackphoenix77 I mean currently, Marvel stories are lacking in quality due to those types of ideals being rammed in there compared to recent DC comics . Most of it was in The New 52 era of DC, but since DC Rebirth, all that stough has taken back seat. They still are there, but its not affecting the over all quality of the stories too much thank god.
What about the time when KISS was actually cannon in the 1970's MARVEL comics,huh??It was BEFORE this MARVEL Music comics theme was a thing.
Marvel love turning their heroes black or female now so I don't see why they're so ashamed of the time they did it with Punisher.
Captain America and Magneto turning out to be Hydra! WTF! Kind of an example of writers not knowing the history of their characters, and I can't believe Marvel actually let it happen!
the story line is called standoff and hydra cap is a cosmic cube alreted version of cap
This better include the recent sjw shit
Jonah Wood what do exspect from British they are total liberal.
NerdXZ97 001 English seems like a difficult language for you mate.
Roland Deschain you know that we are speaking in the internet, there is no rule just plain poison
ThatAussieGirl I was talking about the british media on how liberal they are, this channel is consider an media.
ThatAussieGirl England is extremely liberal
...I wonder what a Marvel character called "The Publisher" would be like
How about everything modern Marvel has been doing in the name of "DIVERSITY"?
Jack Fronz u mean SJW marvel, dear god the fall of Marvel comics, never saw it coming
1. Remove MAGA hat
2. Spread cheeks
3. Insert MAGA hat in rectum
4. ...
5. Profit!
Jack Fronz I wouldn't say everything, but MJ in Homecoming genuinely pissed me off. I'll eat a live frog before I let them take away my redheads from me.
Becauze all the sjw would call them racist
Wow, predictable.
Yo, does anyone else notice that Wasp gets killed very often? Its like she is a go girl for such a role.
When Mark Waid wrote a Captain America that literally helps illegal aliens invade America
Illegal aliens from south of America's borders. Some of them could secretly be Skrulls I suppose. Who knows!
Also the soap opera tie in was pretty hilarious.
Jules, tone down the agenda dude
Maybe it was the damn minds who lost Marvel comics...
Why wasn't modern Marvel diversity on this list?
PW Customizing Good point.
Too much to put
I think they lost their minds very early into their history, when they begun to expose children to *body horror*
Now Marvel is mainly considered for adults, but they really didn't need to expose impressionable minds to such dark themes.
Boooo. No Punisher/Eminem crossover! Boooo.
So we're just going to ignore all the even more insane chronic weirdness from the Silver Age?
You can expand this list to include just about everything they've done in the past few years.
And lay off Orson Scott Card, OK? Just because he doesn't support gay marriage doesn't make him a gay-hater. You say that in every damn WC video that mentions him. Disagreement =/= hate.
Ross Iaconis it kind of does
Not really. You can still disagree with someone and not hate them. My sister and I are on opposite ends of the political spectrum and we still get along just fine. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, but I don't hate gays.
SF Junkie the thing is, even if you insist you don't hate gays but work against them having equal rights, you are in fact, a homophobe. A gay hater. Unless you would happily vote for gay marriage while personally not believing in it, in which case you're a person who puts human decency over personal feelings. Somebody who says they like black people but will fund the KKK are racist. Somebody who supports movements against gay people having equal rights while saying they don't hate gays aren't just homophobes, but hypocritical homophobes.
The term homophobe implies that someone is afraid of gays, which I am not. I don't bear them any ill will, but I believe marriage is defined as the union of one man and one woman. People are free to love who they want, but if it is same-sex, call it a civil union, don't redefine marriage. Just my personal belief.
It bothers me that people nowadays (those on the left in particular) insist that anyone who deviates from their belief system must be a hater, when that is simply not the case.
SF Junkie marriage has existed outside of religion for years, so your idea of it does not apply to state law. Your idea of what homophobia is is demonstratively false. Homophobia is a hatred of gays, not a fear of them. It's the same as people who didn't want interracial marriages to happen. You are acting against their rights as human beings. Your religious beliefs have no bearing on what is a human right, and honestly you are as much a homophobe as Orson Scott Card is. 100%.
blackphoenix77 the only reason why I said "Marvel" specifically was because this was a Marvel only list. That doesn't mean I deny that these types of things don't also happen in other comics.
#1 - Trying to force feed their customers social justice bullshit that nobody worth a wet fart cares about, and imploding their sales in the process.
That thing about Ms Marvel and Kang actually hurt my brain
Hey Juels. Can you keep your sjwness out
You forgot how CapWolf was revisited when Falcon, Sam Wilson, who replaced Steve Rogers to become Captain America became Capwolf himself!
Common Last Temptation of Alice was actually an entertaining read. And from an Alice Cooper fans perspective it was a pretty good album, just totally the wrong time period for such comic/music crossover thingys.
I would’ve put Spider-Man’s deal with Mephistopheles at #1
Does anyone else think that it's weird/cool that marvel can somehow create stories about norse gods and christian gods simultaneously?
Jaiden Metcalfe And Greek gods. Hercules is an Avenger too.
Trying to fight back the tears lmao