Actually I think no one really missed this detail. However, if you argue that this is not a filler episode, then unfortunately you also have to say that it has been one of the worst “mainstory” episodes, because in the end nothing happens in this episode except that they wake up this walker, but instead of showing interest in it, they destroy it and don't say a single word about what just happened. I mean, how much off "I don’t give a shit about my surroundings" energy you must have to kill an ancient walker and then not say a single word about what that could be, to wich ancients it belongs to or why he was switched off. Not even tech, who is usually the one interested in technology, has honoured the runner even one look after they destroyed it. I think the fact that the zeffo have now also been integrated into the Star Wars universe in other ways very interesting, but the implementation was very disappointing.
I am in awe of how some people can connect all the story lines in Star Wars. Books, movies, series, cartoons, comics, video games…. Ive enjoyed the movies and TV series along with Bad Batch so far, but some of you have delved into every aspect of SW lore. It makes my head spin. How the people creating all these interconnected story lines do it is beyond me.
Its Dave Filoni's magic hat of Star Wars lore, some say it was made from leather from Skywalker Ranch, on cows that were fed on unsold starwars food items.
To me that "jewell" seemed to be something more like a key/switch and a giant fuse at the same time. It melted because when it was put back on to turn the machine off, the weapon system was already charged and ready to shoot, with the "jewell" interrupting the electical circuit all that energy got discharged into it.
It absolutely was a key! Circuit connector. But Kyber crystals are also needed to power a lightsaber. And look how valuable they are. Also, this wasn’t likely the first time the machine was activated and shut off. Why didn’t the key melt then?
What i understood from it was that it was in the heart, the removed it, and had to return it to the head. I think it melted and just reformed back in the heart, ready to be reactivated, unbeknownst to the team. I believe this because i dont think that those are the same port that the crystal was plugged into. I think they originally pulled it from where the heart of the “creature” would be, as it was on a strut type think or maybe connections for the legs or something, which was connected to nothing but the walls. They then returned it into a port that appeared to be on a wall. I get that the creature was oriented differently before, but there would have been a wall where the treasure lady was standing if it were the same area. So i think it may be used and maybe controlled by someone else
@@StarWarsFanatic it melted this time because the weapon was at full charge and just about to fire, that’s really the only thing to take away from that, I’m sure if it was done last second like that before, it would have melted as well, which leads me to assume it hasn’t been shut off last second before.
I appreciate this video very much. It is cool to be reminded of elements in the game that I have forgotten. I am one of those who thought the episode was filler and I actually still think that, but I am glad for those who enjoyed this episode. Speaking personally for myself, I just think the interest in Bad Batch is exploring how the clones reacted to their sense of purpose during a time when they are being phased out. I think this is such a provocative concept to see played out, that anything that is a huge departure from that makes me wish to go back to that central theme. Anyways, it is what it is. I still love the show.
Thank you for the deeper perspective on this episode. I did enjoy it and the format (Treasure Hunter/Archaeologist) might make a series in it's own right to illuminate the Lore to those of us who have not read the books or played the games and entertain those who have, but I was a little concerned at the appearance of filler. I suppose I need to remind myself there is no rush and no known end point ( to the story of the Bad Batch) so there is time.
My thoughts on the "guardian" ... it wasn't a guardian. It was a "Destroyer". The ancient Zeffo sent that mechanized monster to exterminate all those mini-ZillowBeast things. It was like a DeathStar-ROOMBA killer to make the place eventually habitable by something. And...well, maybe for a time it worked, but ultimately it failed. Life found a way. So, they abandoned it and just moved on.
Thank you. It's sad that people are calling it filler. Small stuff has been happening here and there, which is building to a turning point. And this episode connects bad batch to like you said something bigger. Episodes like this give me hope that older eu content will become cannon again. Unfortunate how things turned out with disney but one can dream.
guys I was half awake when I watched this episode and I stg I thought I was on an acid trip or sum. the story was so unexpected I thought I was dreaming. 😂😂😂
I got money on Kal going to this planet and finding the wreckage in the next game Also I think the crystal melted because of the energy built up for it's last blast was redirected to the crystal.
After viewing this video, consider my opinion of "Entombed" converted as well...definitely, a connection that I failed to recognize. Two observations that I made were that the episode started out with a World Between World vibe, particularly due to the music and the need to solve a puzzle to gain entry, but then when it was revealed that they had entered a large, destructive mech device, the episode then shifted to more of a Zilo Beast vibe, except a mechanized one.
Although, the episode was a bit of out of characters from the Bad Batch. Phee didn't have enough details lying about what or who made 'The Heart of the Mountain' (unfortunately, she's a treasure hunter, not an archeologist) she only knows that's it's there and it's super ancient. My problem to this episode that not everyone knows nor played Jedi Fallen Order involving to this episode. I had to tell my folks about the Zeffo and their ancient culture, although we watched late at night and I was tired so i give them an overview on who and what they are, if not, they have to play the JFO game 😴.
@@StarWarsFanatic No it's fine, bud. It's not you, it's the show itself. The screenwriters didn't thought up more carefully about "throwing a bone or two" on what they're dealing with the story. Like I said before, not everyone played Jedi Fallen Order. Unless, the next episode might tell a bit more about the Zeffo ancients and so on. But you did great, ner vod. 🙂👍
This is why we need an OR/HSW/Pre-GR/HR series. This episode demonstrates that the cycle of war is an never-ending motif and reality in the Star Wars universe. Giving us relics and weapons left over after those wars with myths and legends forming around them in the vast stretches of rebuilding and healing plays on Lucas's thoughts on the universe, "It's like poetry; it rhymes," as well as reintroducing us to the EU with the words of Jolee Bindo, "Malak is a tyrant who should be stopped. If he conquers the galaxy, we're in for a couple of rough centuries. Eventually it'll come around again, but I'd rather not wait that long. So we do what we have to do and we try to stop the Sith. But don't start thinking this war, your war, is more important than any other war just because you're in it."
The Zeffo machine was in the middle of generating all that energy for its weapon and was about to fire when the bad batch put the crystal back in all the energy needed somewhere to go and it looked like the crystal was the home for the energy but the build up was too much causing the crystal to melt.
Oh I it's subtitled! First time I notest! Great! Here in Portugal we have everything with sub-titles, so we always listen to the originals! That's why Portuguese usually speak 2/3 languages or at least understand them! Thanks! Love the new look! Yes... I play Fallen Order with the family
Finally someone else brought this up. Thank you. One other small thing I bring up to prove this episode technically isn't filler is that Echo has a line at the start that refers to the last treasure hunt attempt at Dooku's Palace in Serenno, connecting this episode to the first 2, ergo it's not filler. This was some set up for something else and primarily an introductory episode to the character Phee, who may yet be the Batch's new source of income, something that they need that since the debt's already been paid. Is it still at least borderline filler? Maybe. But the season isn't even halfway done yet! People just need to do what SW keeps saying: "Have Patience." Can't wait to see what the payoffs for this and Faster will be, if any.
I think alot of what many people thought was filler was actually character development for us to care about Tech more before Plan 99. Plus all the cloning stuff becomes more relevant to the main story by the finale too.
Great perspective. Didn't get into Fallen Order so that connection was a new element for me. I saw some other threads in this eposode. As a stand alone episode I took a great deal of joy from it. It was like Filoni baked a classic animated SW mission of the week leavened with A bit of from a Matthew Reilly novel, Indiana Jones, kaiju, Tolkein, etc. I think some critical paths were laid down here. The first four episodes laid down the start points and motivations of the Batch, Crosshair, Cody and Cid. Now we begin moving from that point and they are now in the early stages of naturally growing apart. A regular mission was the best vehichle to signal this because everday routine often highlights these tensions with real life families. Plus, we know from TCW that Filoni's arcs and connections are not just worked within series but right across the entirety of the show's life, even in future series we are yet to see. Hunter's general 'I'm getting too old for this sort of thing' vibe links back to that clone who retired to a farming life (can't recall his name but TBB S1 and a couple of TCW eps - SWM drew this link the other day) Cid and Kashyyk will be interesting. The racing episode was meant to signal that Cid wasn't to be trusted. The Batch siding with the Wookies may well displease Cid as Trendojian, leading her to sell them out, triggering Palps to leverage the Kashyyk uprising to his political advantage, using the TBB's actions to demonatrate the clones are traitors just like their Jedi generals and therefore a security risk. This will in turn trigger the clone uprising as the season climax. Just an idea about how I see it playing out from here. Let's see how it goes. I also like these mission-of-the-week episodes as a vehicle to de-risk introducing new planets, species, and characters.
@@StarWarsFanatic Thank you! Not recalling Cut's name was bugging me; and, I'm glad you rated my theory also. Don't care if I'm right but it will be fun finding out.
You are right...i thought it was filler, but the way u had explained it...i definitely now have a better appreciation to the episode. I have a question though...is the Zeffo responsible for the World between Worlds? Cause looking at the Zeffo technology, it looks oddly familiar to the way the world between worlds looks when Ezra and Ahsoka were in in Rebels. I may be wrong...but im curious what u guys think.
That’s an interesting question. Rebels was made before Jedi Fallen Order, but someone had to have been feeding the developers information and the story group had to approve it. That being said, would it not stand to reason that the temple on Lothal may have also been of Zeffo origin? Granted, there are no guardians of Zeffo present but we don’t know if those were cleared out or even the temple being approved by the Zeffo for Jedi use. The interior architecture looks similar. Just a thought.
@@StarWarsFanatic I do agree. I remember playing Fallen Order and thinking of the ruins of the temple from Rebels. Maybe, and this may be a reach, but the three force beings that Obiwan, Anakin and Ahsoka meet in Clone Wars couldve been the remnants of the Zeffo. Cause the three beings are also represented in the ruins that connects to the world between worlds.
@@StarWarsFanatic so I had some extra time today since its my day off from work and started to go thru some of the clone wars, rebels, bad batch, fallen order and rise of the skywalker and discovered something cool that i overlooked. The markings in the zeffo temple in fallen order, the gateway that ezra stood in front in the world between worlds where ahsoka's owl was located, the sith temple where ezra found maul hiding in rebels and the knife that rey found in the rise of skywalker all had the same zeffo markings. U can go back and check for urself as well. I even took screenshots. Damn Filoni sure is subtle with his connections.
Me too. Fallen Order was amazing. I’m hoping that skill tree attributes are carried forward. It will be difficult to explain away how Cal lost them all otherwise. Hopefully they won’t mess with the controller functions.
My one thing with whole theory balances on the colour of materials used. We see in Fallen Order the zeffo used a lot of gold/copper metals as well as some darker almost black material. And this beast was very white, we also never really saw their inscriptions lighting up as they did inside the mechanical beast. Just some food for tought.
Could the Zeffo race have created the World Between Worlds? The moment the zeffo machine was awakened the white lighting and design reminded me of WBW.
The Ahsoka Show, also made primarily by Filoni like this show, is indeed going to be revisiting WBW to save the franchise for good, so perhaps it does go this deep who knows? We'll have to see.
@@FoxVidz2000 Dave Filoni has already stated that the WBW isn’t meant o change time nor events. That Ezra saving Ahsoka was a mistake on Ezra’s part and Ahsoka reiterated that. But let’s see if they can use it to gain more knowledge.
I hope this gets more further development in future Star Wars media. The characters in the show, as per usual, are satisfied just to be able to escape to fight another day. They don’t even seem to be considering that the monstrous machine was guarding anything, or served any purpose. They surprisingly don’t even want to see if there is any salvage to be had from a machine that could be that long-lived, and don’t express any genuine curiosity about the history of the machine.
I think it is also possible that the machine could have been a remnant of the Zeffo civil war and the chamber leading to it was created by the winning side to guard it. The heart was like a restraining bolt keeping it dormant. The damage on the planet was the result of the war and there may be other machines buried around the planet. The machine may also have been designed after a animal from the Zeffo home planet that similar anatomical features due to being evolutionarily connected.
Hey Gerald, Do you know whatever happened to Skiratas clan of misfits? I can't for the life of me figure out if it's in a book or just left us hanging. Oh, btw, the book death troopers is just fucking awesome, if you haven't read it, do it, you'll love the ending
Maybe simpler to explain the previous laser blast scars and such and the melting away key with suggesting there were more of these machines activated on the planet prior to this one... Rather than there being dual purpose activations.
I wonder if this isn't a way to bring in a civilization that could be responsible for the world between worlds. I know the zeefo have the same style of sweeping lines and circles just like the world between worlds. Maybe they are just looking for a link to the games for more lore....dunno
I think what bothers me a lil is how people hate a episode due to it attempting to add history or some interesting stuff to the world. Trust me, I wanna know what’s going on and if Cody is gonna pop up again, etc- but you gotta let the creators have their fun somehow. The episode was neat, had me on my toes with the creature that was preventing them to stop the machine from destroying everything.
I agree that episode 5 isn't filler. Everything Feloni & company do is done for a reason. Throwing in an episode simply to fill space makes ZERO sense.
I think filler episodes can also apply to stories that are just out of the ordinary story lines that viewers expect from a show. It’s more of a feeling response.
If this has been a setup the whole time and Cid recruited Auntie Phee (extra points if you get that reference) to gain the trust of the Bad Batch and steal their ship, I would give Dave Filoni writer of the year!
Thank you for the video 😃 I am somewhat reassured that the storyline has not gone off the rails and becoming aimless! I was a bit sad and annoyed at the end of the episode because i kept thinking what is the point of this story??? Then i watched your video to see what you thought of it. If anything, you got me interested to find out more about Jedi Fallen Order, the Rakata, Zeffo etc so i learned more things about Star Wars now! 😃 My biggest gripe about the entire episode was when Phee called Echo "Clone Obvious" 😐 Grrrr... what did Echo ever do to you??? 😆
I get your frustrations with Phee. I still feel like Hondo would have been a better suited character for this role. At least we know he often fails in his plunders and ends up empty handed. I’m glad you learned something. I’m actually working on a more comprehensive version of it now.
just still want know why goes to kill everything mode when its turned on, also wrong place but, emilly swallow amoung other things said, said this "normally the amourer is fine sitting back letting others do all the challenages, but this time its different, do not want say much but " and guy who plays moff said something neat too, "his goal is to be a true mando, thing about the mando's, we are different type of warriors...." so us who said he is or was a mando might be right, and looks like the armourer might actually do something, in the teaser she gives paz her hammer, assumed he was goin after dinn, but maybe not
"Acklays (pronounced /Ăk'-lā/) were non-sentient carnivores native to Vendaxa. Acklays had sharp claws and thick skin, and averaged 3.05 meters tall. Due to these attributes, as well as the species' ferocity, acklays were often exported from Vendaxa to be used in gladiatorial combat. The creatures could be found on Geonosis, where they were commonly brought in to fight other creatures-and sentients-in the Petranaki Arena. An Acklay was used in the attempted execution of Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi in 22 BBY, but was killed by Kenobi. In addition to Geonosis, the creatures could be also found on worlds such as Lehon, and Felucia."
I know what Acklay are. But this creature seemed more of a hybrid of Nexu and Zillow Beast. Only, instead of fur, it had a tougher hide. Acklay were much taller and had pointed feet beneath their massive legs.
The Jedi Fallen Order and The Bad Bach are almost in the same time line give or take few years. I did make the connection with the Zeffo in this episode, with the puzzles and the beam of light looked familiar to the tomb guardian in Zeffo. But I feel like the episode was a filler. I was disapointed that they put their life on the line and got nothing out of it. They distroyed old ancient hitory and artifact i was mad about that. But hey atleast its not in the hands of the empire right.
I think this is a misunderstanding of what filter is. Using established lore does not mean that it avoids being filler. It is fluff that exists purely to pad the story (at least as far as we know).
Personally, I still consider this episode a filler. Even though it has a connection to a video game, it doesn't move the plot of The Bad Batch series further. Like in season 1 where they rescued the baby rancor, which is likely the same that Luke kills in ROTJ. Cool connection, but it has little to do with the Bad Batch story.
Jedi: Fallen Order was great (and perhaps refers to more than just the Jedi), and so too was Jedi: Survivor (which definitely refers to more than one character). Looking forward to seeing if there are legit Zeffo connections in the future.
Fine, so the episode is just one big Easter egg hunt both for the viewer, and internally, for the characters. An after credit scene or an epilogue would have been would have helped a lot here. Why should we care about some ancient McGuffin otherwise, particularly within this franchise?
@@StarWarsFanatic I think the series would be more satisfying if we could watch all 16 episodes back to back. On the positive side it’s still good Star Wars content. The Bad Batch are enjoyable characters and a good addition to the universe
I was lucky enough to talk to someone who watched almost the entire series (save for the last two episodes which were witheld) Without spoiling it for you, I should let you know - it was filler. Doesn't mean the season doesn't improve (or that it's inevitably heading somewhere) But this was filler (& it won't be the last)
It really depends on what that person views as "filler." Does it add to Star Wars lore? Does it build upon it. Sure, it may not follow the entire story of clones. But does it build upon a larger narrative? Adding the Zeffo into the Bad Batch adds to Star Wars lore.
@@StarWarsFanatic it's actually not so complicated. I can tell you we're heading towards a heavy emotional arc, but that it's more on the back end of the show. I'm not saying I have a play-by-play of every episode, but when I asked her about this episode & she told me it won't have any bearing on where we're heading whatsoever, that sounds like filler.
It's not filler not because it has connections to other lore or stories. It's not filler because The Bad Batch is an episodic series. The format is a collection of short stories with no main story, no over arcing plot. The concept for "filler" does not apply.
well they put it in a different spot so maybe why, and "its not filler" still is, this ep has something something else does, means nothing honestly, ep4 had stuff other ep had, but means nothing, only way this means much more is IF, and only IF jedi survivor has something tied into this ep, but will not give it anything if it just has a temple from another star story, that might not be same race, mean look at our ancient temples, aztec inca or on, was neat nods, will say, and like more of this lost temple style, like doctor alpha show might be neat, maybe even hinting at her thru this ep and phee, maybe we met her at some point in this show
I understand the connection being made here having played the fallen order game. However i still consider this to be a garbage trash filler episode despite the comments. It has nothing to do with the main storyline just another treasure hunting episode probably intended to promote Indiana jones just like the war chest episode. It looks alot like something youd see from horizon zero dawn mechanical giraffe looking thing. Every episode so far in season 2 has been garbage don't get me started on phantom menace pod racing episode.
I know you don’t even believe that! 🤣 but I get it! I don’t think it’s filler I just think it’s set the tone and it will take couple more seasons to bring it up a level but was much the same with rebels 👍🏼 I think second half of season will be more story driven than episodic
It adds to Star Wars lore. But it does deviate from the central theme of the show…clones being phased out. As far as the central theme…yeah…why is it going this direction now? But as far as an overall lore and building hype for Jedi Survivor…I’ll give it a pass.
@@StarWarsFanatic I mean like on screen. They really need to tie all these shows together somehow for people to get hooked on the franchise. It really is overwhelming if your new to our tribe to understand the story. I’m going to start my kids off with rebels kid friendly with an epic storyline imo. Thanks for making videos keep doing what your doing.
@@johnleader4526 I get what you’re saying. And you’re right, it can get confusing. Only one of my kids likes Star Wars. I feel like a failed father. And thank you! I really do appreciate it
@@StarWarsFanatic The sequel trilogy in general, but mainly IX, being the one with a compass-related macguffin, and a scavenged compass no less. Quotes like: "This story changes every time she tells it." (referring to the common criticism that the ST consistently uses retcons) "You're just making this up as you go." "It's part of the fun." (referring to the common criticism that the ST didn't have a plan before it started) When I hear things like this it sets off a little alarm for me & it's hard not to think these things weren't combined together on purpose. I know this kind of thinking is not for everybody. I wouldn't be surprised if you thought I was reaching or it's a stretch or I'm grasping at straws, but that's just the nature of meta-analysis; it's a stretch. Anyway, I thought this episode did something clever with the "bottle" episode formula, & provided some interesting commentary. TBD if the Zeffo come into play in future episodes. ;)
@@2QAYL1138 I get what you’re saying. I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch. If that is the undertone, then it just seems like pandering. Which isn’t necessarily bad. But I have a feeling the Zeffo and the Rakatan Empire are going to be more present than we think. I’m working on a video about it now.
@Star Wars Fanatic yeah I'd call it pandering if I thought anyone else interpreted this episode the way I did. I'm excited to see if your prediction comes true. I definitely don't have an affinity for deep lore like yourself.
I know I'll get flack for this, but man Jedi fallen order was such an annoying game. The story was great, the lore was beautiful. Great score and graphics. But the tedious puzzle were annoying. I hate most games when theres an overly complicated puzzle for a simple door. Plus I hated how the enemies were stupidly hard. I play games for the story, not the grind. But that said, I put the game on easy mode, and only played the story didn't do anything else. And the story is great
Wow..i thought the chapter was just a filler but no.. it´s more fanservice.. lol.. just kidding man, interesting what you exposed i guess.. i considerit filler cause it doesn´t bring anything to this serie storyline, like the one before they are doing stuffs and not going forward with their purposes, when a serie is short is cause is too short and when is long is cause is too long, something is missing or something is unnecessary, all those things about the ancients or kestus are fun but they don´t matter to what bad batch is confronting now, they are just advertising to possible new series to come, marvel format i think, critics said after chapter 6 things get better, i hope this is true so we can enjoy more the serie, keep rocking and stay safe..
Do you mean that the episode might secretly have been good? I'm a bit tired of this season potentially being secretly good......I'd settle for just....good, you know?
Oh no. I’m not saying it was “good.” Average at best. I like the connection to Jedi Fallen Order. I think Phee is overacted. But that’s kind of what we get with animation.
@@StarWarsFanatic Oh I apologize, I have nothing against your analysis of the video, actually I found it quite interesting. I'm just disappointed with the second season so far. To me, it feels like the first season was giving us quite a satisfying amount of information regarding the clone/stormtrooper transition period and I found it to be really interesting.....But this season, it's as if they had been told "you're going to be on the air for at least 4 seasons so make sure that the intrigue lasts for as long as possible"......and then we got "Tech wins a podracer race or whatever it's called", that sort of stuff...At least they are not rescuing "Ohmeeegaw" all the time and they've clearly told us that Cid was going to betray them at some point during this season....(I kinda wish they'd have kept it a secret instead of spoon feeding us the information.....well, unless I'm wrong and she does not betray them.....at least briefly.....that would be a nice surprise compared to what season 2 has been so far...) I don't know, I guess that season one exceeded my expectations so much that I did not expect season 2 to be the boring pointless kid show that it seems to be so far.......and I mean, of course it's possible that I' going to look back at season 2 and say "Wow this was a masterpiece now that I've seen all the episodes"......but the fact remains that so far, I've been having a hard time finishing all episodes.....and I'm not that hard to entertain (It did take me years to manage to watch Episode 2 without falling asleep. Now that I've seen it entirely, I kinda get why I fell asleep multiple times :p.) I don't know, maybe I'm missing something. Again, I'm sorry if I made it sound like I had something against your video. Actually I found your video to be more interesting than the actual episode. I'm really sorry if I made it sound like I had a problem with what you did. Keep up the good work.
It was 100% filler. And imo for a show like this there shouldn’t be any filler at all they should be focusing on progressing the plot because for the past two episodes nothing has progressed it at all
Glad some-one said it, I don't see any-thing as filler if it adds to the Star Wars lore and/or expands and builds upon the characters. I was dissapointed with this episode as I thought we would be getting back into the plot after episode 4 however even then I enjoyed it a lot and I don't see it as filler. The Zeffo was the first thing I thought of when I saw the machine as it looked really similar, but I highly doubt they will expand upon this in the Bad Batch, this will probably just go as another addition to the lore and universe that they will move on from however it can still be expanded upon in comics, novels, maybe Jedi Survivor or another show or film who knows
@@StarWarsFanatic that would be really cool, they could make a series title it Star Wars Ancient History or Ancient universe or something like that and focus on ancient races and events like the Zeffo, maybe the Rakataan Invaders (it was mentioned in Andor by Luthen), maybe the early Jedi Idk just really on all these ancient Star Wars races, events and stuff mainly the Zeffo but who knows Edit; maybe even some stuff on some of the ancient artefacts that Doctor Aphra hunts down
Sorry but just because they referenced a game I like and copied the plot of Raiders doesn't mean that the episode is good. It was the same cookie cutter Treasure hunt Plot we've seen a million times before. Also while plot points from this episode may come up in future that doesn't change the fact that it if you removed this episode not much would change from the overarching story.
@@StarWarsFanatic My mistake I guess I did put words in your mouth there. I read into it too much and thought you were implying the episode was good because you said it was not filler. I realise that was wrong to assume.
I really cannot imagine anyone speaking with less enthusiasm and more void of emotions then you. It really makes it difficult to watch. Shame since the content itself is very intresting and/or intriguing :/
So there’s a legend about something called “The Heart of the Mountain,” that turns out to be a key, that melts away after the giant machine is activated and then turned off. Oh but it’s been turned on before and the key was still in it, yet it turns on when the key is removed. If your theory is correct then congratulations to Disney for marketing another property but unless Clone Force 99 are going to turn into treasure hunters, then this was another filler/kiddie episode. This season has been pretty lackluster so far with 3 heist/treasure hunts, 1 racing and 1 great one that didn’t have the current team in it. It just doesn’t make sense to me, the Empire knows that their alive, their off having adventures like there’s nothing to worry about and no kind of external pressure is being applied to move the story forward. I want to just enjoy Star Wars but this is getting ridiculous.
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I agree. Almost everyone missed the connection with the Zeffo.
Actually I think no one really missed this detail. However, if you argue that this is not a filler episode, then unfortunately you also have to say that it has been one of the worst “mainstory” episodes, because in the end nothing happens in this episode except that they wake up this walker, but instead of showing interest in it, they destroy it and don't say a single word about what just happened. I mean, how much off "I don’t give a shit about my surroundings" energy you must have to kill an ancient walker and then not say a single word about what that could be, to wich ancients it belongs to or why he was switched off. Not even tech, who is usually the one interested in technology, has honoured the runner even one look after they destroyed it. I think the fact that the zeffo have now also been integrated into the Star Wars universe in other ways very interesting, but the implementation was very disappointing.
They never even mention the zeffo in the episode, its a shaky theory that will go nowhere in the story because the show is so badly written
@@dancingvalkyrie probably yes. 😂 they just brought the walker in so the people can argue about it 😂
@@dancingvalkyrie yeah. I'm not totally sold on it being of zeffo making either. I hope it is. But yeah. Not sold
But there is still no connection in the story, so it’s still a filler episode.
I am in awe of how some people can connect all the story lines in Star Wars. Books, movies, series, cartoons, comics, video games…. Ive enjoyed the movies and TV series along with Bad Batch so far, but some of you have delved into every aspect of SW lore. It makes my head spin.
How the people creating all these interconnected story lines do it is beyond me.
It’s been a decades long obsession for me. Whether that’s good is yet to be seen.
Its Dave Filoni's magic hat of Star Wars lore, some say it was made from leather from Skywalker Ranch, on cows that were fed on unsold starwars food items.
To me that "jewell" seemed to be something more like a key/switch and a giant fuse at the same time. It melted because when it was put back on to turn the machine off, the weapon system was already charged and ready to shoot, with the "jewell" interrupting the electical circuit all that energy got discharged into it.
It absolutely was a key! Circuit connector. But Kyber crystals are also needed to power a lightsaber. And look how valuable they are.
Also, this wasn’t likely the first time the machine was activated and shut off. Why didn’t the key melt then?
A thousand years sitting on the lot, the used cars rot.
What i understood from it was that it was in the heart, the removed it, and had to return it to the head. I think it melted and just reformed back in the heart, ready to be reactivated, unbeknownst to the team. I believe this because i dont think that those are the same port that the crystal was plugged into. I think they originally pulled it from where the heart of the “creature” would be, as it was on a strut type think or maybe connections for the legs or something, which was connected to nothing but the walls. They then returned it into a port that appeared to be on a wall. I get that the creature was oriented differently before, but there would have been a wall where the treasure lady was standing if it were the same area. So i think it may be used and maybe controlled by someone else
@@StarWarsFanatic it melted this time because the weapon was at full charge and just about to fire, that’s really the only thing to take away from that, I’m sure if it was done last second like that before, it would have melted as well, which leads me to assume it hasn’t been shut off last second before.
I loved the 5th Element design aesthetic to the Key/Treasure
I have played Jedi Fallen Order, and when I watched this episode, I immediately realized that the Walker was Zeffo in Origin
I appreciate this video very much. It is cool to be reminded of elements in the game that I have forgotten.
I am one of those who thought the episode was filler and I actually still think that, but I am glad for those who enjoyed this episode.
Speaking personally for myself, I just think the interest in Bad Batch is exploring how the clones reacted to their sense of purpose during a time when they are being phased out. I think this is such a provocative concept to see played out, that anything that is a huge departure from that makes me wish to go back to that central theme.
Anyways, it is what it is. I still love the show.
As a student of Star Wars I think the history is very important I appreciated this episode and your view Zeffo cool word✌️🙏
Thank you!
Feel like we’ll hear about the zeffo in Ashoka
@@StarWarsFanatic theory= figured out what the helmet is dinn picks up(rebel refe.) side effects from the sabin weapon the duchess,
Thank you for the deeper perspective on this episode. I did enjoy it and the format (Treasure Hunter/Archaeologist) might make a series in it's own right to illuminate the Lore to those of us who have not read the books or played the games and entertain those who have, but I was a little concerned at the appearance of filler. I suppose I need to remind myself there is no rush and no known end point ( to the story of the Bad Batch) so there is time.
This episode could also setup pre-Old Republic content.
My thoughts on the "guardian" ... it wasn't a guardian. It was a "Destroyer". The ancient Zeffo sent that mechanized monster to exterminate all those mini-ZillowBeast things. It was like a DeathStar-ROOMBA killer to make the place eventually habitable by something. And...well, maybe for a time it worked, but ultimately it failed. Life found a way. So, they abandoned it and just moved on.
I thought I was the only one that thought of them as miniature Zillow Beasts.
@@StarWarsFanatic make that 3. at first, definitely thought it was one and was happy to see it.
I think it was designed to teach hard lessons about greedyness. If you are greedy, you'll bing death and destruction.
Thank you. It's sad that people are calling it filler. Small stuff has been happening here and there, which is building to a turning point. And this episode connects bad batch to like you said something bigger. Episodes like this give me hope that older eu content will become cannon again. Unfortunate how things turned out with disney but one can dream.
guys I was half awake when I watched this episode and I stg I thought I was on an acid trip or sum. the story was so unexpected
I thought I was dreaming. 😂😂😂
i really hope there will be animated stories based on ancient empires, far far before republic and jedi
I’d love that.
I got money on Kal going to this planet and finding the wreckage in the next game
Also I think the crystal melted because of the energy built up for it's last blast was redirected to the crystal.
After viewing this video, consider my opinion of "Entombed" converted as well...definitely, a connection that I failed to recognize. Two observations that I made were that the episode started out with a World Between World vibe, particularly due to the music and the need to solve a puzzle to gain entry, but then when it was revealed that they had entered a large, destructive mech device, the episode then shifted to more of a Zilo Beast vibe, except a mechanized one.
I mean, it could still be filler with no further episodes on it, but as an easter egg. Might even see something like this in Jedi: Survivor
Although, the episode was a bit of out of characters from the Bad Batch. Phee didn't have enough details lying about what or who made 'The Heart of the Mountain' (unfortunately, she's a treasure hunter, not an archeologist) she only knows that's it's there and it's super ancient. My problem to this episode that not everyone knows nor played Jedi Fallen Order involving to this episode. I had to tell my folks about the Zeffo and their ancient culture, although we watched late at night and I was tired so i give them an overview on who and what they are, if not, they have to play the JFO game 😴.
I could do a video on them. More than just glossing it over.
@@StarWarsFanatic No it's fine, bud. It's not you, it's the show itself. The screenwriters didn't thought up more carefully about "throwing a bone or two" on what they're dealing with the story. Like I said before, not everyone played Jedi Fallen Order. Unless, the next episode might tell a bit more about the Zeffo ancients and so on. But you did great, ner vod. 🙂👍
This is why we need an OR/HSW/Pre-GR/HR series. This episode demonstrates that the cycle of war is an never-ending motif and reality in the Star Wars universe. Giving us relics and weapons left over after those wars with myths and legends forming around them in the vast stretches of rebuilding and healing plays on Lucas's thoughts on the universe, "It's like poetry; it rhymes," as well as reintroducing us to the EU with the words of Jolee Bindo, "Malak is a tyrant who should be stopped. If he conquers the galaxy, we're in for a couple of rough centuries. Eventually it'll come around again, but I'd rather not wait that long. So we do what we have to do and we try to stop the Sith. But don't start thinking this war, your war, is more important than any other war just because you're in it."
The Zeffo machine was in the middle of generating all that energy for its weapon and was about to fire when the bad batch put the crystal back in all the energy needed somewhere to go and it looked like the crystal was the home for the energy but the build up was too much causing the crystal to melt.
No one is mentioning the roar of the machine reminiscent of War of The Worlds
I noticed it. Just didn’t find it too relevant at the time.
"See, I do read the comments!"
Priceless!
Yeah Kal is comming soon in a "theatre" near You!
Thanks
Let’s hope so.
All I could think of when I heard "Heart of the Mountain" was the Arkenstone from the Hobbit/LOTR
I knew it was familiar! Thank you
Oh I it's subtitled! First time I notest! Great! Here in Portugal we have everything with sub-titles, so we always listen to the originals! That's why Portuguese usually speak 2/3 languages or at least understand them! Thanks! Love the new look!
Yes... I play Fallen Order with the family
I try to subtitle all my videos.
@@StarWarsFanatic
Makes all the difference. Thanks
Finally someone else brought this up. Thank you. One other small thing I bring up to prove this episode technically isn't filler is that Echo has a line at the start that refers to the last treasure hunt attempt at Dooku's Palace in Serenno, connecting this episode to the first 2, ergo it's not filler. This was some set up for something else and primarily an introductory episode to the character Phee, who may yet be the Batch's new source of income, something that they need that since the debt's already been paid.
Is it still at least borderline filler? Maybe. But the season isn't even halfway done yet! People just need to do what SW keeps saying: "Have Patience." Can't wait to see what the payoffs for this and Faster will be, if any.
No problem and you’re right. They will likely all become part of a larger story. People did the same thing during the Mandalorian season 2.
I think alot of what many people thought was filler was actually character development for us to care about Tech more before Plan 99. Plus all the cloning stuff becomes more relevant to the main story by the finale too.
Great perspective. Didn't get into Fallen Order so that connection was a new element for me.
I saw some other threads in this eposode. As a stand alone episode I took a great deal of joy from it. It was like Filoni baked a classic animated SW mission of the week leavened with A bit of from a Matthew Reilly novel, Indiana Jones, kaiju, Tolkein, etc.
I think some critical paths were laid down here. The first four episodes laid down the start points and motivations of the Batch, Crosshair, Cody and Cid. Now we begin moving from that point and they are now in the early stages of naturally growing apart. A regular mission was the best vehichle to signal this because everday routine often highlights these tensions with real life families. Plus, we know from TCW that Filoni's arcs and connections are not just worked within series but right across the entirety of the show's life, even in future series we are yet to see. Hunter's general 'I'm getting too old for this sort of thing' vibe links back to that clone who retired to a farming life (can't recall his name but TBB S1 and a couple of TCW eps - SWM drew this link the other day)
Cid and Kashyyk will be interesting. The racing episode was meant to signal that Cid wasn't to be trusted. The Batch siding with the Wookies may well displease Cid as Trendojian, leading her to sell them out, triggering Palps to leverage the Kashyyk uprising to his political advantage, using the TBB's actions to demonatrate the clones are traitors just like their Jedi generals and therefore a security risk. This will in turn trigger the clone uprising as the season climax.
Just an idea about how I see it playing out from here. Let's see how it goes.
I also like these mission-of-the-week episodes as a vehicle to de-risk introducing new planets, species, and characters.
I love this! The retired clone is named Cut
@@StarWarsFanatic Thank you! Not recalling Cut's name was bugging me; and, I'm glad you rated my theory also. Don't care if I'm right but it will be fun finding out.
You are right...i thought it was filler, but the way u had explained it...i definitely now have a better appreciation to the episode. I have a question though...is the Zeffo responsible for the World between Worlds? Cause looking at the Zeffo technology, it looks oddly familiar to the way the world between worlds looks when Ezra and Ahsoka were in in Rebels. I may be wrong...but im curious what u guys think.
That’s an interesting question. Rebels was made before Jedi Fallen Order, but someone had to have been feeding the developers information and the story group had to approve it.
That being said, would it not stand to reason that the temple on Lothal may have also been of Zeffo origin? Granted, there are no guardians of Zeffo present but we don’t know if those were cleared out or even the temple being approved by the Zeffo for Jedi use. The interior architecture looks similar. Just a thought.
@@StarWarsFanatic I do agree. I remember playing Fallen Order and thinking of the ruins of the temple from Rebels. Maybe, and this may be a reach, but the three force beings that Obiwan, Anakin and Ahsoka meet in Clone Wars couldve been the remnants of the Zeffo. Cause the three beings are also represented in the ruins that connects to the world between worlds.
@@StarWarsFanatic so I had some extra time today since its my day off from work and started to go thru some of the clone wars, rebels, bad batch, fallen order and rise of the skywalker and discovered something cool that i overlooked. The markings in the zeffo temple in fallen order, the gateway that ezra stood in front in the world between worlds where ahsoka's owl was located, the sith temple where ezra found maul hiding in rebels and the knife that rey found in the rise of skywalker all had the same zeffo markings. U can go back and check for urself as well. I even took screenshots. Damn Filoni sure is subtle with his connections.
@@Colombiarican31 NICE!! I want to do a video on it. I’ll have to look at it all. Thank you. You’ll get full credit.
@@Colombiarican31 I’ve finished writing the video. Just need to get it finished. I found more stuff.
I am really looking forward to Jedi Survivor.
Right? I have it in my cart on Steam. I just need to pull the trigger.
Me too.
Fallen Order was amazing.
I’m hoping that skill tree attributes are carried forward.
It will be difficult to explain away how Cal lost them all otherwise.
Hopefully they won’t mess with the controller functions.
My one thing with whole theory balances on the colour of materials used. We see in Fallen Order the zeffo used a lot of gold/copper metals as well as some darker almost black material. And this beast was very white, we also never really saw their inscriptions lighting up as they did inside the mechanical beast. Just some food for tought.
That machine reminded me of the London Monitor the final boss in Wolfenstein New World Order.
Could the Zeffo race have created the World Between Worlds? The moment the zeffo machine was awakened the white lighting and design reminded me of WBW.
That's funny! I just so happen to be making a video on that as we speak.
The Ahsoka Show, also made primarily by Filoni like this show, is indeed going to be revisiting WBW to save the franchise for good, so perhaps it does go this deep who knows? We'll have to see.
@@FoxVidz2000 Dave Filoni has already stated that the WBW isn’t meant o change time nor events. That Ezra saving Ahsoka was a mistake on Ezra’s part and Ahsoka reiterated that. But let’s see if they can use it to gain more knowledge.
I hope this gets more further development in future Star Wars media. The characters in the show, as per usual, are satisfied just to be able to escape to fight another day. They don’t even seem to be considering that the monstrous machine was guarding anything, or served any purpose. They surprisingly don’t even want to see if there is any salvage to be had from a machine that could be that long-lived, and don’t express any genuine curiosity about the history of the machine.
I think it is also possible that the machine could have been a remnant of the Zeffo civil war and the chamber leading to it was created by the winning side to guard it. The heart was like a restraining bolt keeping it dormant. The damage on the planet was the result of the war and there may be other machines buried around the planet. The machine may also have been designed after a animal from the Zeffo home planet that similar anatomical features due to being evolutionarily connected.
Hey Gerald,
Do you know whatever happened to Skiratas clan of misfits?
I can't for the life of me figure out if it's in a book or just left us hanging.
Oh, btw, the book death troopers is just fucking awesome, if you haven't read it, do it, you'll love the ending
I would have missed this detail as well if not for my friend recently streaming Jedi: Fallen Order
Maybe simpler to explain the previous laser blast scars and such and the melting away key with suggesting there were more of these machines activated on the planet prior to this one... Rather than there being dual purpose activations.
All of my thoughts and that of additional doomsday machines is speculation. We aren’t shown any others and we aren’t shown the past, either.
I wonder if this isn't a way to bring in a civilization that could be responsible for the world between worlds. I know the zeefo have the same style of sweeping lines and circles just like the world between worlds. Maybe they are just looking for a link to the games for more lore....dunno
I think what bothers me a lil is how people hate a episode due to it attempting to add history or some interesting stuff to the world. Trust me, I wanna know what’s going on and if Cody is gonna pop up again, etc- but you gotta let the creators have their fun somehow. The episode was neat, had me on my toes with the creature that was preventing them to stop the machine from destroying everything.
They don’t seem to see the bigger picture. This may be a story about clones but it ties into the rest of Star Wars lore. And this episode added to it.
Well said…
@@StarWarsFanatic Crosshair and his wise words lol.
Side note: some images of the Zeffo resemble the aliens from Independence Day.
I think that beam to the sky maybe woke a sleeping giant in space
The heart of the mountain also resembles the stones from "The Fifth Element"
You’re right! I never noticed that. Thank you
Other fans: This is filler! Me: Ever heard of WORLDBUILDING MY MAN?
The zeffo mech reminded me of Nausicaa and the God warrior
Thanks, "Fanatic" enjoyed the inside report.
Well that certainly makes that episode make much more sense, literally thought it was filler.
I enjoyed the story even if it wasn't connected to others. Thanks for showing the connections.
No problem and I agree with you.
Oh yeah Zeffo i knew it the shape of that mech thing seemed familiar
I agree that episode 5 isn't filler. Everything Feloni & company do is done for a reason. Throwing in an episode simply to fill space makes ZERO sense.
Exactly
There where plenty of fillers in The Clone Wars though..
I think filler episodes can also apply to stories that are just out of the ordinary story lines that viewers expect from a show. It’s more of a feeling response.
Actually it's very like Filoni and co to put in unnecessary episodes. As much as I love Clone Wars there was a lot of filler.
maz who remind me of ET, looks like the aliens in a way
If this has been a setup the whole time and Cid recruited Auntie Phee (extra points if you get that reference) to gain the trust of the Bad Batch and steal their ship, I would give Dave Filoni writer of the year!
Sadly Jedi Survivor has been delayed until April.
That’s a real bummer. But I’d like them to get it right before releasing it.
Love the new intro!
Thanks!
Thank you for the video 😃 I am somewhat reassured that the storyline has not gone off the rails and becoming aimless! I was a bit sad and annoyed at the end of the episode because i kept thinking what is the point of this story??? Then i watched your video to see what you thought of it. If anything, you got me interested to find out more about Jedi Fallen Order, the Rakata, Zeffo etc so i learned more things about Star Wars now! 😃 My biggest gripe about the entire episode was when Phee called Echo "Clone Obvious" 😐 Grrrr... what did Echo ever do to you??? 😆
I get your frustrations with Phee. I still feel like Hondo would have been a better suited character for this role. At least we know he often fails in his plunders and ends up empty handed. I’m glad you learned something. I’m actually working on a more comprehensive version of it now.
@@StarWarsFanatic Exactly! Hondo is hilarious! 😆 I look forward to your next video
@@intsmw thank you! I’m almost finished writing it.
The thing is that I have to judge this episode on its own merits. As a stand alone episode. It has to stand on its own first.
just still want know why goes to kill everything mode when its turned on, also wrong place but, emilly swallow amoung other things said, said this "normally the amourer is fine sitting back letting others do all the challenages, but this time its different, do not want say much but " and guy who plays moff said something neat too, "his goal is to be a true mando, thing about the mando's, we are different type of warriors...." so us who said he is or was a mando might be right, and looks like the armourer might actually do something, in the teaser she gives paz her hammer, assumed he was goin after dinn, but maybe not
"Acklays (pronounced /Ăk'-lā/) were non-sentient carnivores native to Vendaxa.
Acklays had sharp claws and thick skin, and averaged 3.05 meters tall. Due to these attributes, as well as the species' ferocity, acklays were often exported from Vendaxa to be used in gladiatorial combat.
The creatures could be found on Geonosis, where they were commonly brought in to fight other creatures-and sentients-in the Petranaki Arena.
An Acklay was used in the attempted execution of Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi in 22 BBY, but was killed by Kenobi.
In addition to Geonosis, the creatures could be also found on worlds such as Lehon, and Felucia."
I know what Acklay are. But this creature seemed more of a hybrid of Nexu and Zillow Beast. Only, instead of fur, it had a tougher hide. Acklay were much taller and had pointed feet beneath their massive legs.
The Jedi Fallen Order and The Bad Bach are almost in the same time line give or take few years. I did make the connection with the Zeffo in this episode, with the puzzles and the beam of light looked familiar to the tomb guardian in Zeffo. But I feel like the episode was a filler. I was disapointed that they put their life on the line and got nothing out of it. They distroyed old ancient hitory and artifact i was mad about that. But hey atleast its not in the hands of the empire right.
I think this is a misunderstanding of what filter is. Using established lore does not mean that it avoids being filler. It is fluff that exists purely to pad the story (at least as far as we know).
it's most CERTAINLY NOT filler.
Personally, I still consider this episode a filler. Even though it has a connection to a video game, it doesn't move the plot of The Bad Batch series further. Like in season 1 where they rescued the baby rancor, which is likely the same that Luke kills in ROTJ. Cool connection, but it has little to do with the Bad Batch story.
Jedi: Fallen Order was great (and perhaps refers to more than just the Jedi), and so too was Jedi: Survivor (which definitely refers to more than one character). Looking forward to seeing if there are legit Zeffo connections in the future.
You just inspired me to spend the morning playing Jedi survivor again.
It being "connected" to another star wars game or comic doesn't make it any less filler.
I wouldn't have known
Thanks for the video.
Great video. And are you streaming tomorrow?
Probably not until next Saturday
@@StarWarsFanatic Ok well cant wait till then.
@@StarWarsFanatic Its disappointing cause i missed last stream.
Fine, so the episode is just one big Easter egg hunt both for the viewer, and internally, for the characters. An after credit scene or an epilogue would have been would have helped a lot here. Why should we care about some ancient McGuffin otherwise, particularly within this franchise?
Because it may tie to the entirety of Star Wars.
Thanks for this insight. I'm not a video game player, so like you I'd assumed this,episode was just a filler. Should've trusted Dave better.
Well, as of now it still doesn’t fit the main narrative of what we would like. But at least it’s more added lore.
I’ve played an enjoyed JFO, but really wish the sequel wasn’t on next gen consoles only …not everyone has an extra 600 bucks to play a $60 video game.
I agree. Now I have to try it on PC.
Felt like FILLER.
I don’t consider anything filler if it adds to Star Wars lore.
@@StarWarsFanatic and I respect your opinion. But I’m disappointed. Just different opinions. 👍
@@buildamillionbridges6153 oh I’m not saying I’m fully satisfied. It’s going off into left field.
@@StarWarsFanatic I think the series would be more satisfying if we could watch all 16 episodes back to back.
On the positive side it’s still good Star Wars content. The Bad Batch are enjoyable characters and a good addition to the universe
They may not have been, but all but episode 3 have felt like filler.
I was lucky enough to talk to someone who watched almost the entire series (save for the last two episodes which were witheld)
Without spoiling it for you, I should let you know - it was filler. Doesn't mean the season doesn't improve (or that it's inevitably heading somewhere) But this was filler (& it won't be the last)
It really depends on what that person views as "filler." Does it add to Star Wars lore? Does it build upon it. Sure, it may not follow the entire story of clones. But does it build upon a larger narrative? Adding the Zeffo into the Bad Batch adds to Star Wars lore.
@@StarWarsFanatic it's actually not so complicated. I can tell you we're heading towards a heavy emotional arc, but that it's more on the back end of the show. I'm not saying I have a play-by-play of every episode, but when I asked her about this episode & she told me it won't have any bearing on where we're heading whatsoever, that sounds like filler.
It's not filler not because it has connections to other lore or stories. It's not filler because The Bad Batch is an episodic series. The format is a collection of short stories with no main story, no over arcing plot. The concept for "filler" does not apply.
well they put it in a different spot so maybe why, and "its not filler" still is, this ep has something something else does, means nothing honestly, ep4 had stuff other ep had, but means nothing, only way this means much more is IF, and only IF jedi survivor has something tied into this ep, but will not give it anything if it just has a temple from another star story, that might not be same race, mean look at our ancient temples, aztec inca or on, was neat nods, will say, and like more of this lost temple style, like doctor alpha show might be neat, maybe even hinting at her thru this ep and phee, maybe we met her at some point in this show
I understand the connection being made here having played the fallen order game. However i still consider this to be a garbage trash filler episode despite the comments. It has nothing to do with the main storyline just another treasure hunting episode probably intended to promote Indiana jones just like the war chest episode. It looks alot like something youd see from horizon zero dawn mechanical giraffe looking thing. Every episode so far in season 2 has been garbage don't get me started on phantom menace pod racing episode.
I know you don’t even believe that! 🤣 but I get it! I don’t think it’s filler I just think it’s set the tone and it will take couple more seasons to bring it up a level but was much the same with rebels 👍🏼 I think second half of season will be more story driven than episodic
It adds to Star Wars lore. But it does deviate from the central theme of the show…clones being phased out. As far as the central theme…yeah…why is it going this direction now? But as far as an overall lore and building hype for Jedi Survivor…I’ll give it a pass.
I was waiting for someone to point it out :)
Brilliantly explained.
Thank you!
It was filler. The show is about clones, not the jedi or the zeffo lmao
It was the same filler as most episodes
Maybe the kid from the game will become cannon
Cal Kestis? He’s already canon
@@StarWarsFanatic I mean like on screen. They really need to tie all these shows together somehow for people to get hooked on the franchise. It really is overwhelming if your new to our tribe to understand the story. I’m going to start my kids off with rebels kid friendly with an epic storyline imo. Thanks for making videos keep doing what your doing.
@@johnleader4526 I get what you’re saying. And you’re right, it can get confusing. Only one of my kids likes Star Wars. I feel like a failed father. And thank you! I really do appreciate it
Nah this episode is about negative fan reactions to IX.
If they tie in this episode later in the show to the Zeffo or Kestis by name, props to you.
Negative fan reactions to IX? What do you mean?
@@StarWarsFanatic The sequel trilogy in general, but mainly IX, being the one with a compass-related macguffin, and a scavenged compass no less.
Quotes like:
"This story changes every time she tells it." (referring to the common criticism that the ST consistently uses retcons)
"You're just making this up as you go."
"It's part of the fun."
(referring to the common criticism that the ST didn't have a plan before it started)
When I hear things like this it sets off a little alarm for me & it's hard not to think these things weren't combined together on purpose.
I know this kind of thinking is not for everybody. I wouldn't be surprised if you thought I was reaching or it's a stretch or I'm grasping at straws, but that's just the nature of meta-analysis; it's a stretch.
Anyway, I thought this episode did something clever with the "bottle" episode formula, & provided some interesting commentary. TBD if the Zeffo come into play in future episodes. ;)
@@2QAYL1138 I get what you’re saying. I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch. If that is the undertone, then it just seems like pandering. Which isn’t necessarily bad.
But I have a feeling the Zeffo and the Rakatan Empire are going to be more present than we think. I’m working on a video about it now.
@Star Wars Fanatic yeah I'd call it pandering if I thought anyone else interpreted this episode the way I did. I'm excited to see if your prediction comes true. I definitely don't have an affinity for deep lore like yourself.
I know I'll get flack for this, but man Jedi fallen order was such an annoying game.
The story was great, the lore was beautiful. Great score and graphics.
But the tedious puzzle were annoying. I hate most games when theres an overly complicated puzzle for a simple door.
Plus I hated how the enemies were stupidly hard.
I play games for the story, not the grind.
But that said, I put the game on easy mode, and only played the story didn't do anything else.
And the story is great
Meh. We’ll just animate Zeffo.
I feel like there’s a reason for it beyond the Bad Batch and Jedi Fallen Order. I’m working on a video about it now.
@@StarWarsFanatic well the reason is that Jedi Survivor is coming out next month I’m guessing.
@@Juan_lauda it’s a great way to advertise it but I’m thinking a much larger scale. Beyond video games and the Bad Batch.
Wow..i thought the chapter was just a filler but no.. it´s more fanservice.. lol.. just kidding man, interesting what you exposed i guess.. i considerit filler cause it doesn´t bring anything to this serie storyline, like the one before they are doing stuffs and not going forward with their purposes, when a serie is short is cause is too short and when is long is cause is too long, something is missing or something is unnecessary, all those things about the ancients or kestus are fun but they don´t matter to what bad batch is confronting now, they are just advertising to possible new series to come, marvel format i think, critics said after chapter 6 things get better, i hope this is true so we can enjoy more the serie, keep rocking and stay safe..
Do you mean that the episode might secretly have been good? I'm a bit tired of this season potentially being secretly good......I'd settle for just....good, you know?
Oh no. I’m not saying it was “good.” Average at best. I like the connection to Jedi Fallen Order. I think Phee is overacted. But that’s kind of what we get with animation.
@@StarWarsFanatic Oh I apologize, I have nothing against your analysis of the video, actually I found it quite interesting. I'm just disappointed with the second season so far. To me, it feels like the first season was giving us quite a satisfying amount of information regarding the clone/stormtrooper transition period and I found it to be really interesting.....But this season, it's as if they had been told "you're going to be on the air for at least 4 seasons so make sure that the intrigue lasts for as long as possible"......and then we got "Tech wins a podracer race or whatever it's called", that sort of stuff...At least they are not rescuing "Ohmeeegaw" all the time and they've clearly told us that Cid was going to betray them at some point during this season....(I kinda wish they'd have kept it a secret instead of spoon feeding us the information.....well, unless I'm wrong and she does not betray them.....at least briefly.....that would be a nice surprise compared to what season 2 has been so far...) I don't know, I guess that season one exceeded my expectations so much that I did not expect season 2 to be the boring pointless kid show that it seems to be so far.......and I mean, of course it's possible that I' going to look back at season 2 and say "Wow this was a masterpiece now that I've seen all the episodes"......but the fact remains that so far, I've been having a hard time finishing all episodes.....and I'm not that hard to entertain (It did take me years to manage to watch Episode 2 without falling asleep. Now that I've seen it entirely, I kinda get why I fell asleep multiple times :p.) I don't know, maybe I'm missing something. Again, I'm sorry if I made it sound like I had something against your video. Actually I found your video to be more interesting than the actual episode. I'm really sorry if I made it sound like I had a problem with what you did. Keep up the good work.
It was 100% filler. And imo for a show like this there shouldn’t be any filler at all they should be focusing on progressing the plot because for the past two episodes nothing has progressed it at all
Have you watched episode 6? I think you’ll like my review.
@@StarWarsFanatic not yet I haven’t had the chance
Glad some-one said it, I don't see any-thing as filler if it adds to the Star Wars lore and/or expands and builds upon the characters. I was dissapointed with this episode as I thought we would be getting back into the plot after episode 4 however even then I enjoyed it a lot and I don't see it as filler. The Zeffo was the first thing I thought of when I saw the machine as it looked really similar, but I highly doubt they will expand upon this in the Bad Batch, this will probably just go as another addition to the lore and universe that they will move on from however it can still be expanded upon in comics, novels, maybe Jedi Survivor or another show or film who knows
I’d like to see a series or movie about the Zeffo.
@@StarWarsFanatic that would be really cool, they could make a series title it Star Wars Ancient History or Ancient universe or something like that and focus on ancient races and events like the Zeffo, maybe the Rakataan Invaders (it was mentioned in Andor by Luthen), maybe the early Jedi Idk just really on all these ancient Star Wars races, events and stuff mainly the Zeffo but who knows
Edit; maybe even some stuff on some of the ancient artefacts that Doctor Aphra hunts down
I really couldn’t care less about the story in that crappy video game, it’s just a half baked reskin of the force unleashed with a worse story
Sorry but just because they referenced a game I like and copied the plot of Raiders doesn't mean that the episode is good. It was the same cookie cutter Treasure hunt Plot we've seen a million times before. Also while plot points from this episode may come up in future that doesn't change the fact that it if you removed this episode not much would change from the overarching story.
Oh no. I don’t think I’ve said it was good. Just okay really. There has only been one episode I really enjoyed.
@@StarWarsFanatic My mistake I guess I did put words in your mouth there. I read into it too much and thought you were implying the episode was good because you said it was not filler. I realise that was wrong to assume.
@@olliegodfrey482 all good. I just meant because it did add a little to lore…but not for the story at hand.
@@StarWarsFanatic In fairness yea it did add some additional lore.
I really cannot imagine anyone speaking with less enthusiasm and more void of emotions then you. It really makes it difficult to watch. Shame since the content itself is very intresting and/or intriguing :/
I recorded this while my basement is being remodeled and my wife was sleeping in the next room. I had to be quiet. That will be remedied soon.
So there’s a legend about something called “The Heart of the Mountain,” that turns out to be a key, that melts away after the giant machine is activated and then turned off. Oh but it’s been turned on before and the key was still in it, yet it turns on when the key is removed. If your theory is correct then congratulations to Disney for marketing another property but unless Clone Force 99 are going to turn into treasure hunters, then this was another filler/kiddie episode.
This season has been pretty lackluster so far with 3 heist/treasure hunts, 1 racing and 1 great one that didn’t have the current team in it. It just doesn’t make sense to me, the Empire knows that their alive, their off having adventures like there’s nothing to worry about and no kind of external pressure is being applied to move the story forward. I want to just enjoy Star Wars but this is getting ridiculous.
I’m not saying it’s been great. It hasn’t. I’m just enjoying what little bits I can. The small parts adding to the larger Star Wars lore.