A buddy of mine told me Botch layed out so much, for so many bands to go off of. Ever since he told me that, I keep hearing shining examples. Recently discovered early Norma Jean is basically Botch. I'd say less obvious examples include Tony Danza Tapdance Extravagnaza and Frontierer. Still, Botch is in there somewhere.
They're a little bit like the band SikTh from the same era, really influential but highly underrated themselves. Now, SikTh reformed and did some new stuff but it's not the same thing.
I have listened to Afghamistam dozens of times, and I've only just now noticed the whispered vocals in the right channel. As if it didn't give me shivers already!
@@penelopedrawsstuff Guitar player was in Minus The Bear, Bass in These Arms Are Snakes/Russian Circles, singer in Narrows. No clue what their drummer did
This really brings to light why the EP format is my favourite. I always loved how EPs were paced, like they had an unrelenting force that lent a hand in creating it, and the songs are as they are, with no filer. Just pure content. Not to say full albums can't do this, but I think in many cases when they try, it often feels like 25 minutes of glory and then another 20 minutes of accompanying second rate material because it's all the same energy, unless it is broken up by B sides or more experimental pieces in between main songs (whether the B-sides are bad or good is a point of opinion). I often plan albums out only in EP formats of 4 or 5 solid songs and then work on expanding to 7, 8, or 9 song albums. Occasionally I have planned out 12-song epics that hit about the 50-55 minute mark where every song is still of course meant to be grand but sometimes some are far more experimental than others to help change pace and break up tedium. Do you ever feel this way about EPs versus full albums? Which stand the test of time, and what are some of your favourite EPs ever made?
Sacredgeometry I usually prefer full album material in the long run, and I quite like filler. That said i can’t even think of any favorite EP’s. Nothing that tops later albums.
Safety Second, Body Last Is that an EP? One of my favorites of theirs I’d say daughters 7” but nothing beats Canada Songs. Mudvayne’s demos were pretty cool. Maybe that’s why I like 25 minute black metal songs. OH! I just realized my favorite example: The Growlers’ Couples Volumes. Definitely ep’s, and they are a different band at this point. Definitely check those out.
Alice In Chains - Jar of Flies Fallujah - Nomadic Beneath The Massacre - Maree Noire Cynic - Carbon-based Anatomy Blotted Science - whatever that ep was called The Helix Nebula There’s others. I just have to think about em
Brian Brito That's shitty news. I know Dave V still does his thing as a Firefighter, that's why Narrows is so inactive, and Dave K is still with MTB full time, and Tim & Brian are doing their own thing as well. From what I read a while back on Noisey, Brian's attitude is pretty much "never say never" at this point.
It's such a shame Botch broke up before this even came out. It really shows where the band was heading (musically speaking), and they would probably make even more great releases if they were still around.
@@JesseMiller-x4s There is few new school hardcore bands before Botch. Converge to begin with... And Don Cab' is mathrock my friend, very different style ! New school comes from punk, mathrock is rock.
@y9mj5nm7i arguing with myself? What are you tlking about, i agree with myself, i'm arguing with YOUR vision. I Know Cheval de Frise, they came out after the 2 main Botch album, so they can't be an influence... And for Dnc Cab, i dont hear nothing iin Botch no, maybe the color of the sound, but with such a comparison, you can say Back Sabb sounds like 90% of the doom scene...
"Ever want to punch that which you love? Ever wonder why you've been putting up with that which you hate? Well you might know where I'm coming from then."
A SikTh fan who has just discovered (and by just discovered I mean a year ago!) Botch. My prescription is: Nostromo, Knut and Breach. Take two songs once a day for two weeks, and let me know how you feel.
@@Stoufferthecat Thank you for mentioning the band "Nostromo". I can't believe I've never heard of this band, WOW!!!!!! Great Stuff! Reminds me of Sectioned, Vein and, Frontierer as well.
I have no idea how I missed these guys all those years ago and I know I'm not the only one. I don't think it would have prolonged the band's run, but I'm sorry I wasn't there to help make it more fruitful. Just incredibly good music and now a part of my regular rotation.
That's the reason I came here. They took off all of Botch, Harkonen, and an amazing These Arms Are Snakes E.P. I think it's a Hydrahead thing, but they still have Daughters "Hell Songs" and "S/T" on there.N ot complaining about that part, but wtf
@@shnoogums1 theres something called BandCamp Saver that you can add as an extension on Google Chrome, you can get them onto your computer that way and go from there if you dont wanna purchase the albums. Either that or just download the bandcamp mobile app and listen through there i guess.
I'd argue that kind of style goes back even further. Listen to "Salt Mines" by Assück, "Soul Burn" by Meshuggah, and the breakdown to "Graves of the Fathers" by Cryptopsy. But yeah, this is definitely closer to that sound. Reminds me more of Car Bomb more than Emmure though.
Does anyone know what the original song titles were? I know from a live performance that Veitmam was originally titled "Walrus", just look at the lyrics.
I love this EP. Does anyone know what exactly the overall message the band was making though? Specifically regarding the lyrics in Afghamistam, like was it a political statement or something?
@@itdidnotworkmichael "An extended play (EP) is a musical recording that contains more tracks than a single but fewer than an album or LP record." stfu
Afghamistam is ridiculously good. Holy shit. I wanna smear this record all over my body.
GOD that breakdown in Japam. Love it
Motch is a good mand
metty mood, mes.
😂😂😂😂
I see them in Tacoma in 7 days!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo
😂😂 your comment brought laughter to me.
too cute i definitely agree
I thimk it’s proumoumced “good bamd,” actually
one of the best heavy bands to ever do it, and possibly the best heavy band I ever saw live
Fuck, this is great. Afghamistam gave me goose bumps, and Micaragua following after is so great, love it.
I was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer, and was told I only had 6 months to live. Then a friend gave me this album. It cured me. Thank you, Botch!
Are you alive?
Guess we'll never know
Deku Butler praise theem
So bummed all there shit got taken off Spotify :(
Rest Im Peace
Awesome album. Quick and to the point. Love Nails - 'You Will Never Be One of Us' for the same reason.
Ceremony - Violence, violence (!)
"better hop on in, the pass will close if the clouds start rolling in. can't take the thought of being stuck again."
That last line nearly brings a tear to my eye
SST
A buddy of mine told me Botch layed out so much, for so many bands to go off of. Ever since he told me that, I keep hearing shining examples. Recently discovered early Norma Jean is basically Botch. I'd say less obvious examples include Tony Danza Tapdance Extravagnaza and Frontierer. Still, Botch is in there somewhere.
They're a little bit like the band SikTh from the same era, really influential but highly underrated themselves.
Now, SikTh reformed and did some new stuff but it's not the same thing.
Listen to the stuff Breather Resist put out. So good
Norma Jean’s first album is incredible, but I find their stuff after that is so much weaker in comparison.
and the fall of troy
@@AmericanAcupuncturer Exactly Breather Resist is so influential
I have listened to Afghamistam dozens of times, and I've only just now noticed the whispered vocals in the right channel. As if it didn't give me shivers already!
Wait, Botch broke up? Thanks, OBAMA.
They technically broke up during the Bush era, but i lol'd XD
Jack Jackson Bush was President? Thanks, *OBAMA*.
)
Aren't a few members of Botch in Minus the Bear?
@@penelopedrawsstuff Guitar player was in Minus The Bear, Bass in These Arms Are Snakes/Russian Circles, singer in Narrows. No clue what their drummer did
Haven't listened to this record in a long time. Botch definitely got their best recording and mixing quality on this one!
2002 was a great year
I guess. Mrs George was a meanie
Thanks. It's a fucking masterpiece.
Hands down favourite piece of music ever
Oh my sweet metal jeezus what did i just find
i friccen hate metal (love me some metalcore and mathcore and grindcore tho) this aint metal kid
This really brings to light why the EP format is my favourite. I always loved how EPs were paced, like they had an unrelenting force that lent a hand in creating it, and the songs are as they are, with no filer. Just pure content. Not to say full albums can't do this, but I think in many cases when they try, it often feels like 25 minutes of glory and then another 20 minutes of accompanying second rate material because it's all the same energy, unless it is broken up by B sides or more experimental pieces in between main songs (whether the B-sides are bad or good is a point of opinion). I often plan albums out only in EP formats of 4 or 5 solid songs and then work on expanding to 7, 8, or 9 song albums. Occasionally I have planned out 12-song epics that hit about the 50-55 minute mark where every song is still of course meant to be grand but sometimes some are far more experimental than others to help change pace and break up tedium. Do you ever feel this way about EPs versus full albums? Which stand the test of time, and what are some of your favourite EPs ever made?
Sacredgeometry I usually prefer full album material in the long run, and I quite like filler. That said i can’t even think of any favorite EP’s. Nothing that tops later albums.
Safety Second, Body Last
Is that an EP? One of my favorites of theirs
I’d say daughters 7” but nothing beats Canada Songs.
Mudvayne’s demos were pretty cool. Maybe that’s why I like 25 minute black metal songs. OH!
I just realized my favorite example: The Growlers’ Couples Volumes. Definitely ep’s, and they are a different band at this point. Definitely check those out.
'how they light cigarettes in prison' and 'under the running board'
And all the EPs by Paint It Black
Alice In Chains - Jar of Flies
Fallujah - Nomadic
Beneath The Massacre - Maree Noire
Cynic - Carbon-based Anatomy
Blotted Science - whatever that ep was called
The Helix Nebula
There’s others. I just have to think about em
Every one should start using the hashtag #COMEBACKBOTCH , see if we can't get some attention for a reunion show.
+whniwsyrsndtrck they're never gonna do a reunion. never
Brian Brito
That's not what they've been telling Brian Cook to say on Noisey, any time he's asked.
whniwsyrsndtrck I just asked Dave Knudson friday and he says he has no intention or desire to
whniwsyrsndtrck guess the dudes aren't really getting along or something
Brian Brito
That's shitty news. I know Dave V still does his thing as a Firefighter, that's why Narrows is so inactive, and Dave K is still with MTB full time, and Tim & Brian are doing their own thing as well.
From what I read a while back on Noisey, Brian's attitude is pretty much "never say never" at this point.
It's such a shame Botch broke up before this even came out. It really shows where the band was heading (musically speaking), and they would probably make even more great releases if they were still around.
Noah Joffe I’m just hearing this now...so far, it’s the best record Botch has done by far!
Thank you for the great quality upload.
Such immense power is unsustainable. They had a great run
insanely underrated band
@@JesseMiller-x4s There is few new school hardcore bands before Botch. Converge to begin with... And Don Cab' is mathrock my friend, very different style ! New school comes from punk, mathrock is rock.
@@gepetodelamorte8149 try again, friend
@y9mj5nm7i arguing with myself? What are you tlking about, i agree with myself, i'm arguing with YOUR vision. I Know Cheval de Frise, they came out after the 2 main Botch album, so they can't be an influence...
And for Dnc Cab, i dont hear nothing iin Botch no, maybe the color of the sound, but with such a comparison, you can say Back Sabb sounds like 90% of the doom scene...
This stuff is so fucking badass. Soo sick
Thank you so much for uploading this. This fucking EP rocks.
i swear this is where norma jeans first 2 cd sounds came from.
You ain’t lyin.
Damn this is ‘hella’ fire
I think the track spaim depicts exactly what the country is about.
drummers tight as...amazing EP...totally fat free!!
Still drinking this in.
1 person ain't going to Heavem
+TheDamirbojanic Two persons were rejected even Hell )))))
that felt a lot longer than 21 minutes. but still too short. amazing.
"Ever want to punch that which you love?
Ever wonder why you've been putting up with that which you hate?
Well you might know where I'm coming from then."
So brutally perfect
First time I listen to Botch comes with this record, it is goddam' heavy
They don’t make ‘em like they used to. Didn’t listen to this until 2010... still as fresh as the snow of them mountains 😉
I`m a big SikTh fan,but this is the first time i have heard Botch!A nice surprice!!
A SikTh fan who has just discovered (and by just discovered I mean a year ago!) Botch.
My prescription is: Nostromo, Knut and Breach. Take two songs once a day for two weeks, and let me know how you feel.
@@Stoufferthecat Knut! Good call. Challenger is one of my favorite albums.
@@Stoufferthecat Thank you for mentioning the band "Nostromo".
I can't believe I've never heard of this band, WOW!!!!!! Great Stuff!
Reminds me of Sectioned, Vein and, Frontierer as well.
@@joehorns Ecco Lex is one of my favorite of all time.
I have cured every std I have ever received with this album. Thanks botch!
Thank You, So Very Much.
I have no idea how I missed these guys all those years ago and I know I'm not the only one. I don't think it would have prolonged the band's run, but I'm sorry I wasn't there to help make it more fruitful. Just incredibly good music and now a part of my regular rotation.
Welcome to Botch
The Best.
2021 and still heavy as fuck.
Bruh.. you damn straight !
2022 and it still slaps. It’s crazy how fresh this still sounds (and how under appreciated it likely was in it’s time)
Akin to Daughters in a way.
Daughters were too thin on the ground.
11:58
8:35 is almost portraits of past-like vibes
Botch speaking cheems way before cheems was a thing
Track 5 is such a special track for me
Thanks for everything Botch/
Never Gives Up ..
Framce, Japam and Vietmam are probably my favorites 😏
Afgamistam oh my god tho
BOILING THE MEDICINE
SO BEFORE THEIR TIME! xD
Great band
Botch loves Shellac and Today Is The Day!!
Why the hell did they take this off Spotify
That's the reason I came here. They took off all of Botch, Harkonen, and an amazing These Arms Are Snakes E.P. I think it's a Hydrahead thing, but they still have Daughters "Hell Songs" and "S/T" on there.N ot complaining about that part, but wtf
@@AmericanAcupuncturer I was wondering the same thing as I went to recently listen and noticed the band still exists on there but the songs are gone
yeah it sucks
I know I’m so bummed
they're signed to Sargent House now and Sargent House plan to re-release the entire catalogue on CD & vinyl ... maybe that's why
First Knut now botch is off Apple Music? Nooo looks like I gotta figure out a way to go back to iTunes
Try Bandcamp
Smith oh shit that’s awesome. Didn’t even know that existed. Is there a way to add songs from that onto my phone? Sorry I’m technologically retarded
@@shnoogums1 theres something called BandCamp Saver that you can add as an extension on Google Chrome, you can get them onto your computer that way and go from there if you dont wanna purchase the albums. Either that or just download the bandcamp mobile app and listen through there i guess.
Smith thanks buddy. You’re the man
@@shnoogums1 no problem! 😄
you're in the saddle now.
Bummed this is not on Spotify.
it is
Listened today
@@jeremyschmidt3675 Not anymore
Micaragua is basically proto-deathcore when you think about it. Bands like Emmure definitely 'took' this style.
+Joey Moto Bands like Emmure are fucking terrible, but that is my singular opinion.
Agreed. Just an observation I made. Fucking shame how Botch were never widely recognised within the Metal/Hardcore community.
I'd argue that kind of style goes back even further. Listen to "Salt Mines" by Assück, "Soul Burn" by Meshuggah, and the breakdown to "Graves of the Fathers" by Cryptopsy.
But yeah, this is definitely closer to that sound. Reminds me more of Car Bomb more than Emmure though.
Ugh Emmure were a local band here. I felt bad for y’all when the rest of the world became overexposed to them.
@@holyshit1916 I don’t hate Emmure, but I get that they objectively suck
I remember buying this record...
Stupendous.
JAPAM - Cheems
i love this band
20:10 OH YEA!!!!!!!!!!!
Does anyone know what the original song titles were? I know from a live performance that Veitmam was originally titled "Walrus", just look at the lyrics.
Micaragua goes absolutely crazy
Wonder why their music is no longer on Spotify?
Their label dissolved so I’m assuming licensing issues
COME TO BRAEIL
Anyone know the photo credit for the EP cover?
I think I shouldn't like Micaragua but I do.
CHECK IT OUT
ProtestTheBuried with Dr. Steve Brule
I love this EP. Does anyone know what exactly the overall message the band was making though? Specifically regarding the lyrics in Afghamistam, like was it a political statement or something?
I think it's about the Mt. St. Helens eruption.
I hate that Apple Music removed all of their music.
Because they support slave wages and the elite
The almighty Hank Tremain showed this to me. Jesus christ.
this is multiple flame emojis
Fuck tracking the drums for Micaragua
Why the M instead of a N?
I heard it was coumtries with a stromg Military presemce, specifically a stromg Americam Military presemce
Deus-Hand Ahh ok, but france, spain?
So then, Germamy is missing.
that doesnt make sense.
The N word... Gotta stay politically correct these days...
Bretty gud, actually, didn't expect that
Name of the first song please?!
Spaim
Is this Hardcore, metalcore or mathcore?
Hardcore.
all of those things
Does it matter?
Dont ask
ITS A WORK OF ART GOT DAMN IT, IS WHAT IT IS!
Im surprised there´s no comment of mine in here..
ooohhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
💿💿💿💿
Dinner
#reunion2021?
Casper here
15:01
Love this style of metal 😏 Mathcore
These guys today tryna sound like botch. Not!
Its weird at times it sound like crom-tech. San diego two piece that could be grindcore but isn't.
crom-tech i love it
i like Swedem!
vinyl is the shit
It's an EP not an album.
Nicolas Bertin you're a douchebag, not a cool guy.
An album is a collection of recordings. It’s an album...If you said it’s not an LP, I’d agree with you....
@@itdidnotworkmichael "An extended play (EP) is a musical recording that contains more tracks than a single but fewer than an album or LP record." stfu
@@nicolasbertin8552Were you in a comma or something? Your still wrong by the way🤣
@@itdidnotworkmichael no band has ever released an EP and said "here's our new album". Are you crazy ?
I can't believe i discovered this album from the doge meme 😭😭
Me Are The Momans is a better album
It's an LP where as this is an EP 😉
@@petebates6576 ahhh great fucking band hey!
F
@@hijeejoo398 Hey dumbass, I don't look like Silent Bob.
U
cheems fav album