Greg Koukl: There Are No Verses in the Bible | Kirk Cameron on TBN
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- Takeaways: Kirk Cameron is joined by apologist and radio show host Greg Koukl to discuss understanding the Bible and the way it was written.
00:00 | Intro
00:13 | Understanding the Bible
05:54 | Cross-Referencing the Bible
09:08 | Can Non-Believers Trust the Bible?
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Do you know I am older than you Kirk? My mother passed away when I was 16 in a car accident and she loved God and she loved her Bible. My mother taught me to always read above the verse and below the verse, and sometimes the chapter before, very easy for somebody to take a verse out of context, people need to learn this. Thank you for the video.
WOW, you got my attention when this said there are no verses in the Bible so I had to watch. Thank you for reinforcing what it has taken me so long to learn. This has helped me so much in growing my relationship with our God.
Definitely beginner level friendly. Now I understand why it’s on my feed. God delivering messages on real time via TH-cam
Context is king. Excellent interview. Thank you!
Wow, this is probably the most important video you have produced!
I love Gregory koukl and his book Tactics is my favorite. He is so true about how dangerous to go with one verse only . He is great . Thanks Kirk for bringing him .
JEREMIAH 29:11 comes to mind when people quote it. It was written for Israel but people think God is talking to them. Now 2 verses later I can agree does also apply to us
Why are there so many Churches in the world today?
Why are there so many Bibles?
Jesus Christ Gave his all for us! He love us and gave us his Gospel!
If it is my Church then it called in my NAME “Jesus Christ”! +Ephesians 1:1 + Ephesians 2:19-20 “ Organization” +Psalm 50:5 + Psalm 149:1 “ Congregation of Saints” Add these verses up and what do you get? Is it one fold “congregation”, one Sheppard “Jesus Christ”?
Is religious organizations confusing? Why do we have so many Bibles, and churches?
In Revelations 22:18-19 have we opened the plagues unto the world by having so many Bibles and churches?
What about Revelations 22:22? How does it affect Ephesians 2:19-20, and us today?
Yes! The Church of Jesus Christ has been restored to the Earth! With Prophets and 12 Apostles, the members are called Saints!
churchofjesuschrist. org/comeuntochrist
It makes Sense! So Why do we have so many Preachers preaching their own Philosophies and naming their churches whatever?
Thank you for this depth that opens up my eyes that much more.
That makes sense, the phrase there are no verses in the bible. I believe when the authors of each book of the bible was writing on the scrolls, they didn't put chapters, or verses as they were writing.
Why is there so many Churches in the world today?
Why is there so many Bibles?
Jesus Christ Gave his all for us! He love us and gave us his Gospel!
If it is my Church then it called in my NAME “Jesus Christ”! +Ephesians 1:1 + Ephesians 2:19-20 “ Organization” +Psalm 50:5 + Psalm 149:1 “ Congregation of Saints” Add these verses up and what do you get? Is it one fold “congregation”, one Sheppard “Jesus Christ”?
Is religious organizations confusing? Why do we have so many Bibles, and churches?
In Revelations 22:18-19 have we opened the plagues unto the world by having so many Bibles and churches?
What about Revelations 22:22? How does it affect Ephesians 2:19-20, and us today?
Yes! The Church of Jesus Christ has been restored to the Earth! With Prophets and 12 Apostles, and the members are called Saints!
churchofjesuschrist. org/comeuntochrist
It makes Sense!
So Why do we have so many Preachers preaching their own Philosophies and naming their churches whatever?
Another reason for confusion when one reads the bible, is that the Old Testament is a picture book of something better to come for all, not just for the Israelites (a new covenant/a new arrangement/a new way/a new agreement). Most don't make this distinction, therefore there is much confusion. One way of looking at it, imagine tearing up a contract and re-writing a new contract with new terms.
Great interview.
Thank for this info !!! It makes absolute sense 🙏🙏🙏
That probably blows millions of Christians out of the water because everybody clings to verses in the Scriptures to get encouragement. And what he is saying here is that they could be sincere, but sincerely wrong. While his words are meant to be helpful and eye-opening, they could be very discouraging to a lot of Christians. Many people are not formally educated in the Scriptures, never having gone to Bible school.
All you have to do, is read it.
Grest interview...Thanks❤
. "If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent."
Forgiveness is how we see each other as innocent. No sacrifice does that.
Forgiveness lets us see each other as created in the likeness of God as spirit, not as bodies that did things in the past.
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
This makes So much sense and will be So helpful in following JESUS!!!
I heard this before a long time ago. Context is king.
Love you Kirk, May God be with us all, who call on His Name. He loved us First.
Bible teacher Kay Arthur said "Context rules."
Love this clip but, i have to ask where do the the satirs lead to behind Kirk
It’s wrong to say there are no verses, he should be straight forward and say Don’t take a verse out of its context to learn from or to teach others. However, a single verse can be a personal answer (or maybe even a sign) from God when you are troubled. If you keep reading your Bible every day it will start talking to you. Memorize separate verses but remember they are messages to you.
@KIR979 Forgive my lack of savvy and asking, but how do I write you? I’m not used to communicating through TH-cam.
@@kittyspence2375 don't fall for his span
❤ listening to Kirk . He’s a 👍🏻 host .
I say this everyday. You can't pick & choose & then listen to a preacher interpret for an hour. That's man's way. God explains everything, we don't need an interpreter, that's why God gave us the Holy Spirit.
Did he also give us millions of different faiths & truths? The Lord said he gave us only one of each The Holy Spirit was to be sent to lead in all truth, so that we were to remain "one." Is your personal faith "the ONE?"
@@gabepettinicchio7454 There's only one way, Thee Way. Leaning on our own understanding, and/or influence by the devil, leads people astray. The Bible is pretty clear.
@@mariatorres9789 So then, your response is "Thee Way?" That is a very rudimentary response. If you fear dialogue that's fine, but as a Christian, you should be able to defend yourself and why "Thee Way" is the only way.
@@mariatorres9789 The Bible is so clear, that there are 10s of 1000s of interpretations. How do you defend that when all of them do as you do by leaning on one's own understanding. Is the Holy Spirit confused, or do you interpret what you wish to interpret, then blame it on Him?
@@gabepettinicchio7454 Well, it's easy to go to the root word, if you're having a hard time understanding. I've personally seen more miracles than I can count, so you're not shaking me, with your doubt & unbelief.
So what about John 6??? What's the context of that???
All the chapters and verses are not like the one they mentioned, BUT after the feeding of the multitude in chapter 6 Jesus mentions being the Bread of Life later in the chapter. Those thoughts are connected.
Sometimes pertinent content is before and after a chapter, and sometimes it isn't. It is just BEST to read around a passage for context.
According to the general consensus of scholarship *(even critical Christian scholars),* YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts.
"When El was young, he came across two beautiful Goddesses washing their clothes in the Sea. They were Athirat (Asherah) and the Goddess Rahmaya, and, after buttering them up by cooking a meal for them, he asked them to choose between being his daughters or wives. They choose the latter and became the mothers of the Gods Shachar "Dawn" and Shalim "Dusk"."
"I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the sons of El. It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the sons of El, plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, solely according to the number of the sons of El. *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting."*
*"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*
(Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian)
*"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"*
(A second response to Michael Heiser)
*"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."*
*"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10 - TheTorah.com"*
(Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), which appears to be a later addition, Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)*
*"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"*
(Mark Smith is a Catholic)
*"God, Gods, and Sons (and Daughters) of God in the Hebrew Bible. Part III | theyellowdart"*
*"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"*
(Daniel McClellan is a Mormon)
*"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"*
(Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)")
*"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."*
(Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh)
*"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."*
*"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."*
*"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"*
*"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."*
*"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"*
(It appears in addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh it also appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort)
*"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"*
(Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion")
*"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"*
(For a good summary of all of the above articles)
Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 27:40 minutes onwards.
Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on.
Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40.
Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"*
(By a former theist)
Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.
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Okay, the quote mine we'll take from this video is: "Never read a Bible verse." 😁
As a Catholic, this rings absolutely correct. We read the bible, but are not made to memorise verses for this very reason.
I disagree! As a Catholic, also, I see the Bible as being helpful, but not absolutely neccesary.
The Bible was promulgated as an aide or guide for the *Liturgy of the Mass* & not for worldwide distribution. The Church grew quickly for the 1st 350 yrs. without it, thanks to Sacred Tradition & Church Magisterium ... lead by the Holy Spirit. Without the printing press, each was copied by hand, taking 6 months to copy.
I love the Bible, and I am very happy to have several. I don't, however read it in order to form my own beliefs & doctrines, as all 40,000 differing Protestant sects do. I read it as believed by the CC who learned it, taught it, wrote it and produced it, to strengthen my knowledge & faith, as well as motivation & love for God!
So, a point can be made that the canon caused the Reformation & splintering of the one, true Church. Worse yet, at the same time the printing press was invented, so purcase & distribution became prominant. Of course, it's not the Bibles fault, but the personal & heretical interpretations of Luther and all his successors.
All my info can be verified in a reputable history book. Any Catholic history book, too, since all true knowledge of Christ comes from the CC. The problem is, most are not willing to do their own unbias research, out of pride, or fear! Their conscience must tell them ... *what you don't know, can't hurt you.* That is "willful ignorance" and a deadly sin! Why? ... Because you are denying yourself the "Truth!"*
I misread your previous post, @user. I apologise.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
KJV Bible
[1] Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
[2] By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
[3] For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
[4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Ephesians 2:8-9
KJV Bible
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Romans 10:9-13
KJV Bible
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
[11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
[12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
[13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
John 3:16
KJV Bible
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 14:6
KJV Bible
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
These divisions in the Bible, that men made, were just to make it easier to quickly access a reference. They weren't meant as starting points for reading; books and chapters (not chapter numbers) are for that.
Actually, the Bible was not produced for individual use or mass distribution.
I don't get the coming in his Kingdom thing... At the transfiguration, there was no Kingdom and Jesus wasn't coming from anywhere. Have always struggled with that one...
If god is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent. If god has spoken, why is the world not convinced.
If Mr. Kouki had ever read 2 Peter, he would know that the Scriptures were not for private/personal interpretation. So why is this ignored & thus lending itself to the Christian faith splitting into 40,000 differing ones?
And yet, that's not actually what the verse is saying at all... if you read it in context. (Although, what you are saying is true in principle. Words mean what they mean.)As for your claim, could you give a couple of examples? The Catholic Church claims to be "the Church", yet they teach so many things that are not in the Bible at all. What should we do with that?
@@jessebryant9233 First tell me what that verse means and clarify what you mean by examples. Then we'll talk about what the CC makes up, but also how Protestants do what you claim the CC does.
@@gabepettinicchio7454
It's about inspiration of the Holy Spirit, not interpreting the scriptures willy-nilly. And if you dno't know what is meant by "examples" that demonstrate your own claim... C'mon dude, seriously? Hey, at least you admit the Church makes stuff up. And unlike your "Church", Protestants don't claim to be infallible. So there's that...
@@jessebryant9233 By the way, Protestants claim the Bible is infallible, right? Here is an example that I asked of you & tell me how an infallible book, can cause massive separation w/in Christianity? Again, if the Holy Spirit is doing His job, why is your faith different from the guy across the street? Why is his different than the lady next door to him, and so on? It's a very simple question and no Protestant can answer it unless he claims everybody else is wrong.
Please, research how the NT Canon came to be ... *from an unbias source* and tell me what better example there is regarding the infallibility of the CC? While you are at it, define "Infallibility." The Catholic definition ... and not one from an anti-Catholic party. The evil ones keep many truths from you. Many people are simply ignorant and filled with pride & many are "willfully ignorant." Be a truth seeker. If someone throws you a curveball, then learn how to hit it.
I failed God, God never failed me.
He's just reminding people that you must read the bible in context. Read the whole word and don't pull versus to make your point. We need to understand Gods' point. Yes, there are verses in the bible, but yes, we need to read all of it in context, the sculptures before and after to fully understand.
Who's context? And btw, by what authority do you believe the Bible is the Word of God?
@@gabepettinicchio7454 The Bible is the only book that has been proven by several means and people over centuries to be accurate and above all other religions, philosophies, etc. The Bible interprets itself. The only authority anyone needs is that of scripture. So as soon as anyone, starts to tell me how interpret any part of scripture, per scripture, I must vet it according to the whole scriptures and testimony in God's word. You can follow anyone you wish, and God help you.
@@lwittrock1 I am a Christian (Catholic). I am simply challenging you ... a Protestant Christian.
A couple of questions that I would like to ask:
*- Who has proven the Bible "true & accurate" & by what means?* Be specific.
*- A "religion" produced the Bible. Which one?*
*- Where in the Bible does it claim to be the only authority needed?* Otherwise, your statement is man-made!
*- What authority & method was used before the NT was formulated?* The time between Pentecost and the finalized Biblical Canon was (12 generations) 350 yrs. Christianity by then covered most of Europe, N. Afirca & W. Asia. The printing press came 1150 yrs. later & there was no book to preach & learn from.
*- If the Bible interprets itself, why are there 10s of 1000s of seperated, disagreeing Protestant. sects?*
*- According to Gods Word ... who/what is the "piller & foundation of the truth?" Is it the Church or the Bible?* I'll answer this one for you. It is the "Church of the living God!"
*- Finally, did our Lord leave us with a church, or with a book?*
These are vital, common sense questions that any believer should be able to answer. I invite anyone to do so. Answering only one Q above, would be awesome!
So sad that no one is willing to challenge their faith, even by only answering one of my questions. All of you have your own answers, as to what the Bible means, but yet not respond.
Do you fear you will be wrong, or do you know the answer & fear *IT?*
@@gabepettinicchio7454 Context: love God with all of your heart, mind and soul.
Then he says.'And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
You cannot love and fear both.
"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath punishment. He that feareth, is not made perfect in love."
So Jesus never said we are to fear God if you believe the first one.
The scribes didn't have the intelligence, education, that we all have today. When they wrote the passages for the pharisees, for the Torah!
Every true Christian has been given the ability to love God and their neighbor just like Jesus said. Look at Romans 5:5. Before Jesus there’s no ability to do that. Christians are given the same love and Spirit that took Jesus Christ to the cross. If what I said isn’t true then you need to question if Jesus is real or if His God’s love is as powerful as Christians claim it is.
He is, it is and what I said is true. His Spirit and love in you are enough to do what He said. Love fulfills the law Romans 13:8. What did Jesus say? He came to fulfill the LAW and prophets Matthew 5:17. Every believer should walk even as He did 1 John 2:6. Did He love God and His neighbor as He said?
You want Revival? Teach people who He really is and remove the lie from your own mind that He’s not as powerful in you or that He was different because He’s Jesus and who am I? His flesh was flesh but His Spirit is the same yesterday, today and forever. He is God and if you submit to Him you will experience His glory flowing from deep inside.
Read all of His commands about loving and giving and forgiving and blessing and turning the other cheek. If you love Him you will obey Him by His own ability.
Nothing was written by Jesus or God!
Spamming does not make your posts correct
No more than yours is.
@@karldunnegan2689 exactly. All writen by men, scribes for Pharisees put in Torah. Copied in Bible, Quran, Bk of Mormon ...
@@pkmcnett5649 dude is a trolling liar
Scribes wrote passages for Pharisees, to put in the Torah. God sent his son Jesus, to fight the Torah. Torah copied in Bible, Quran, Bk of Mornon, ...
The Catholics wrote the Bible, by people who never meet Jesus or his 12 apostles. Nor have the people they spoke with, like Paul, who had ever meet Jesus or the 12 apostles!
😂 Ridiculous.
You mean the Catholic Church composed the Bible for us. Correct 👏👏👏
Catholics wrote their own bible not the scriptures we have from the OT the gospels and Paul. And Paul did meet Jesus in his divine intervention
@@brianmendenhall8387 no actually. The Bible you have in your hand. Even missing 7 books is brought to you by the Catholic Church.
@@brianmendenhall8387 the gospels were written by Creek Catholic church. Paul wrote his Pauline letters with the Roman Catholic Churches. The Bible is from the Roman Catholic church... the Pope. They created it and own it!
All 12 apostles, were dead before the Bible was ever written by the Catholic Creeks!
bro, where do you get your evidence from????😄🤷🤷🤷🤷
@@brianmendenhall8387 I read, do you? Or do you just listen and believe everything everyone else tells you, without checking for facts, yourself?
@@brianmendenhall8387 the Catholic church and the Pope, have confirmed everything i said is true.
@@jccarriere3719 I'm a Christian and rebuke the Pope , an antichrist and the Catholic church from hell
@@jccarriere3719 yes, I read and have researched. I have studied the early church fathers, many of whom carried the torch from apostles themselves. Just curious, where are you getting your sources, the Vatican?😄🤷
Beware woke religion.
Jesus wasnt a Christian...it was "THE WAY'!