Yamaha dsr 12s ....made by nexo n still amazing even today...get a pair amazing speakers...much better than dzr and cheaper far more road worthy...best speakers ever made i think
Yeah, the DSRs are solid units and very affordable! The DZRs are great for what they do, though. The SPL and sound quality are on another level, but I feel that may be the cause of their reliability issues!
I own the dsr112 for 8 years! no issues. and they get abused with 2 yorkville 801p. they were over engineered at the price point compared to everything.
Interesting list. I don't get the chance to see much HK stuff here in the USA, unfortunately, so I can't comment there. Absolutely agree about Yamaha DBR. Decent for the price, best bang for the buck, IMO. However, RCF ART912 and EV EKX12p should be switched on your list....they are the same price here....I had 4 EKX-12p and sold them as soon as I heard RCF ART932...simply far, far better sounding at a much higher volume. EKX also only has 1 handle, which is a pain to carry and lift...always hated that about mine.
That's really interesting! I would have thought that the prices would be similar or further apart being that EV is made over there! RCF make great speakers all round! The EKX are far too heavy for me!
For a pubs and clubs band you should be pretty safe with the linear 3, unless your doing really big venues or crowds then I would definitely lean towards the Linear 5!
Been using Alto my entire 20 year career. Clean, clear, loud and inexpensive but would not recommend for weekly mobile gigs. They won't hold up under frequent use.
Speakers smaller than 18" cone and 4" voice coils don't do 40hz(bass guitar). Bigger than 10" cones are too directional and too muddy above 1khz and too powerful for compression drivers, so the compression drivers distort and makes peoples ears ring at around crossover. Compression drivers with voice coils bigger than 1.5" don't do above 10khz and distort at crossover. So 2.1 systems are best. Choose bigger for the sub, smaller and multiple for mids and highs. Also subs are often crossed to high and go muddy. So with a normal system, not low enough bass and muddy bass, then directional muddy mids and overpowered highs than don't go high. Dare Audio seems to configure big line arrays properly, check them out. 18" sub with two 8" mids and 2 1" highs. Then 1 21" sub with 2 10" mids and 2 1.8" highs. Then one 24" sub with 2 12" mids and 2...2-3" highs. That is how it should be done, otherwise just get a 15" two way.
There is some really useful information here. However, I was looking for portable tops in this video and avoiding subs. 12” tops are best for this, in my opinion, unless you want to lump around 15” tops, which would give you more low-end! I personally use a few systems and 10” tops over 15” subs most often! As a bass player, I'm not too fond of the idea that bass guitar exists at 40hz. That's a really undefined area that can really blow out the instrument if overexaggerated, which is all too common among engineers. The mids are where bass really comes along and gets heard, and they are all too often given the chop! But this in itself is a generalisation because it massively depends on the music genre and the band size! As with all things music, there is no one-size-fits-all method!
Do you need something with Bluetooth? I noticed that most of your choices have that! I have had friends who have had issues with the lower end JBL poweramps and the EV ZLX are not the strongest speaker in their range! The RCF 312s are great, possibly a little under powered depending on your audience size! I also believe they have been discontinued! Wharfedale are just generic Chinese speakers now a days! The brand name was bought quite a few years ago. There's nothing wrong with this but QC can be an issue so get one from someone with a good warranty. I would probably go for a The Box speaker over these as Thomann are great with their warranty on their own products! (in my experience)
That is something I am VERY interested in! I have found the ES503 really capable for full band so I can only imagine how great the ES1203 would be! I’m also really interested in the FBT CS1000 but haven’t been able to try one yet!
I wonder why you mention in the pro level the EV EKX but in the High End only HK. EV as well as JBL have premium series above the EKX. It is called the EV ETX. And they are definitely high end from my perspective.
Good question! I tried to narrow it down to one choice, although there are two choices here and there, to prevent option paralysis, which can be a real issue for me! As for the lack of JBL, I have friends with major reliability problems! Mainly with their power amps. The ETX speakers sound amazing. However, their weight pushed them off this particular list when I prioritised portability.
I can understand your point. Was just wondering cause with regards to EV I moved from my former high end system from a German manufacturer (KS Audio) to EV ETX and got extremely surprised about the high level of performance and quality of sound. My learning is that today most of the big brands like RCF, EV and JBL have their high end line of products and they are very capable. The digital DSPs and the latest speaker development do a great job here. The EV‘s are a bit heavy (depending on the speaker type, I mean I can still lift the 12“ tops on a stand without any help) cause they are powered. But this is meanwhile also a feature I would not want to miss anymore. I was not aware of the issues of the JBL series. Interesting facts thanks for sharing
Yes, this list is very much from my own experience! As I said, when I got to the high-end speakers, there's no real right or wrong once you get to the more expensive lines; it comes down more to personal preference. Having owned and used a few different EV speakers, I find they colour the sound more than the HK, and I like to have the most control possible. But you're completely correct that many brands offer more DSP, or at least more easily accessed DSP. If that's a priority for you, then I would definitely grab the EV or Yamaha options! But really, there are not many bad choices once you start getting into the higher end of PA!
Turbosound also have good powered speakers with a great Klark Teknik built-in DSP which can be controlled via ultranet. You can also choose from different sound models, either the Turbosound voicing or a DSP model of a speaker from an another manufacturer, to maybe match with other speakers.
I've not had a chance to try turbosound but they have interested me! Which model have you tried? I almost bought a Milan system at one point and have looked at the IP series!
@@GaryOnBass I have tried Siena, IQ and NuQ. My favorite is the NuQ, the sound is less agressive compared to the IQ series. Just a perfect place between the Sienna and the IQ series.
Interesting, I haven't seen any of those speakers for sale over here. I wonder if its different branding in different regions? The Siena series looks good!
Considering the macki thump 215xt for the fact its powered, light and has bluetooth. Now need to know abt how loud it plays and how is the bass as i dont have sub
A 15” will definitely get you more bass but no match to having a sub if you need lots of low end or anything super low! As for volume that entirely depends on room size and number of people listening!
They should be passable then! Most DJs like subs for that chest thump in dance music! But these would probably be okay… I wouldn’t use the inbuilt Bluetooth though as that probably won’t be as loud as gain staging through a small desk!
THE BOX Pro DSX 112 is i identical to another speaker i own called POWERWORKS artemis 12PD, they are probably made by the same manufacturing company. they are too good for the price.
Yeah I can believe that! I think THE BOX is a generic factory brand Thomann put their name on! The spec looks great don’t wouldn’t surprise me if they are good!
The mackie show box I tried a great concept but a horrible speaker not clear has it distorted at very low db the worst speaker ever it's horrible even on the face book demos you can pick it out ,even at 80 db it's not clear.
I'm still yet to try that out, but the concept seems like a winner! You can never really compare battery speakers to mains-powered boxes, but that does seem low! It could be bad factory QC (which wouldn't surprise me with Mackie!), so it sounds like it's definitely worth trying before you buy!
@@GaryOnBass I bought it from Sweetwater when it came out and promptly returned it. I didn’t like the operating system or the sound and there was a lot of hiss noise too. Terrible.
I suggest u briefly ,concisely n directly just enumerate all d brand names of PA u would recommend instead of talking a lot which s a wastage of your effort n times ,as well 2 your viewers.
I totally agree! Although, I have had quite a lot of experience with Celestion drivers and they aren’t all bad! Just a lot of variance throughout the range!
What are you using or looking at buying? Is there anything I missed? Let me know below!
Yamaha dsr 12s ....made by nexo n still amazing even today...get a pair amazing speakers...much better than dzr and cheaper far more road worthy...best speakers ever made i think
Yeah, the DSRs are solid units and very affordable! The DZRs are great for what they do, though. The SPL and sound quality are on another level, but I feel that may be the cause of their reliability issues!
I own the dsr112 for 8 years! no issues. and they get abused with 2 yorkville 801p. they were over engineered at the price point compared to everything.
@djizzynyc quality engineering!
This doesnt strike me as much of a review.... its more like a running commentary. But it does give me some brands i haven't heard of before..
This isn't a review, more of a rundown of PA speakers I would pick from various budgets! Hope it helped! 🙏
Interesting list. I don't get the chance to see much HK stuff here in the USA, unfortunately, so I can't comment there.
Absolutely agree about Yamaha DBR. Decent for the price, best bang for the buck, IMO.
However, RCF ART912 and EV EKX12p should be switched on your list....they are the same price here....I had 4 EKX-12p and sold them as soon as I heard RCF ART932...simply far, far better sounding at a much higher volume.
EKX also only has 1 handle, which is a pain to carry and lift...always hated that about mine.
That's really interesting! I would have thought that the prices would be similar or further apart being that EV is made over there!
RCF make great speakers all round! The EKX are far too heavy for me!
You're a dj ?
I’m a musician and this list is aimed at people playing live music!
rcf nx smokes everything in this vid lol
Yeah but they aren't in everyones budget! I really do rate them though!
Hi, any thoughts of HK Linear 3 vs. Linear 5? I can’t find much info online. It is for a covers band with vox, drums and acoustic guitar.
For a pubs and clubs band you should be pretty safe with the linear 3, unless your doing really big venues or crowds then I would definitely lean towards the Linear 5!
Been using Alto my entire 20 year career. Clean, clear, loud and inexpensive but would not recommend for weekly mobile gigs. They won't hold up under frequent use.
Yeah, I totally agree on all points!
Speakers smaller than 18" cone and 4" voice coils don't do 40hz(bass guitar). Bigger than 10" cones are too directional and too muddy above 1khz and too powerful for compression drivers, so the compression drivers distort and makes peoples ears ring at around crossover. Compression drivers with voice coils bigger than 1.5" don't do above 10khz and distort at crossover. So 2.1 systems are best. Choose bigger for the sub, smaller and multiple for mids and highs. Also subs are often crossed to high and go muddy. So with a normal system, not low enough bass and muddy bass, then directional muddy mids and overpowered highs than don't go high. Dare Audio seems to configure big line arrays properly, check them out. 18" sub with two 8" mids and 2 1" highs. Then 1 21" sub with 2 10" mids and 2 1.8" highs. Then one 24" sub with 2 12" mids and 2...2-3" highs. That is how it should be done, otherwise just get a 15" two way.
There is some really useful information here. However, I was looking for portable tops in this video and avoiding subs. 12” tops are best for this, in my opinion, unless you want to lump around 15” tops, which would give you more low-end!
I personally use a few systems and 10” tops over 15” subs most often!
As a bass player, I'm not too fond of the idea that bass guitar exists at 40hz. That's a really undefined area that can really blow out the instrument if overexaggerated, which is all too common among engineers. The mids are where bass really comes along and gets heard, and they are all too often given the chop! But this in itself is a generalisation because it massively depends on the music genre and the band size!
As with all things music, there is no one-size-fits-all method!
Hi there. Thoughts on:
EV ZLX12BT
JBL IRX112
RCF Art 312
Wharfedale Typhon AX12BT
Lower end Wharfedale Titan 12?
Do you need something with Bluetooth? I noticed that most of your choices have that!
I have had friends who have had issues with the lower end JBL poweramps and the EV ZLX are not the strongest speaker in their range!
The RCF 312s are great, possibly a little under powered depending on your audience size! I also believe they have been discontinued!
Wharfedale are just generic Chinese speakers now a days! The brand name was bought quite a few years ago. There's nothing wrong with this but QC can be an issue so get one from someone with a good warranty. I would probably go for a The Box speaker over these as Thomann are great with their warranty on their own products! (in my experience)
Try db technology es1203 ... 33. Kg for a nice versatile loud speaker
That is something I am VERY interested in! I have found the ES503 really capable for full band so I can only imagine how great the ES1203 would be! I’m also really interested in the FBT CS1000 but haven’t been able to try one yet!
I wonder why you mention in the pro level the EV EKX but in the High End only HK.
EV as well as JBL have premium series above the EKX. It is called the EV ETX. And they are definitely high end from my perspective.
Good question! I tried to narrow it down to one choice, although there are two choices here and there, to prevent option paralysis, which can be a real issue for me!
As for the lack of JBL, I have friends with major reliability problems! Mainly with their power amps.
The ETX speakers sound amazing. However, their weight pushed them off this particular list when I prioritised portability.
I can understand your point. Was just wondering cause with regards to EV I moved from my former high end system from a German manufacturer (KS Audio) to EV ETX and got extremely surprised about the high level of performance and quality of sound.
My learning is that today most of the big brands like RCF, EV and JBL have their high end line of products and they are very capable. The digital DSPs and the latest speaker development do a great job here.
The EV‘s are a bit heavy (depending on the speaker type, I mean I can still lift the 12“ tops on a stand without any help) cause they are powered. But this is meanwhile also a feature I would not want to miss anymore.
I was not aware of the issues of the JBL series. Interesting facts thanks for sharing
Yes, this list is very much from my own experience! As I said, when I got to the high-end speakers, there's no real right or wrong once you get to the more expensive lines; it comes down more to personal preference.
Having owned and used a few different EV speakers, I find they colour the sound more than the HK, and I like to have the most control possible.
But you're completely correct that many brands offer more DSP, or at least more easily accessed DSP. If that's a priority for you, then I would definitely grab the EV or Yamaha options! But really, there are not many bad choices once you start getting into the higher end of PA!
Turbosound also have good powered speakers with a great Klark Teknik built-in DSP which can be controlled via ultranet. You can also choose from different sound models, either the Turbosound voicing or a DSP model of a speaker from an another manufacturer, to maybe match with other speakers.
I've not had a chance to try turbosound but they have interested me! Which model have you tried? I almost bought a Milan system at one point and have looked at the IP series!
@@GaryOnBass I have tried Siena, IQ and NuQ. My favorite is the NuQ, the sound is less agressive compared to the IQ series. Just a perfect place between the Sienna and the IQ series.
Interesting, I haven't seen any of those speakers for sale over here. I wonder if its different branding in different regions? The Siena series looks good!
Considering the macki thump 215xt for the fact its powered, light and has bluetooth. Now need to know abt how loud it plays and how is the bass as i dont have sub
A 15” will definitely get you more bass but no match to having a sub if you need lots of low end or anything super low! As for volume that entirely depends on room size and number of people listening!
@@GaryOnBass am a part time dj who plays mainly for small parties like 100 pax max
They should be passable then! Most DJs like subs for that chest thump in dance music! But these would probably be okay… I wouldn’t use the inbuilt Bluetooth though as that probably won’t be as loud as gain staging through a small desk!
@@GaryOnBass the BT will be mainly when need background music during BBQ, family/friend gathering and where dont want to install laptops etc
Yeah, it’s absolutely perfect for that!
THE BOX Pro DSX 112 is i identical to another speaker i own called POWERWORKS artemis 12PD, they are probably made by the same manufacturing company. they are too good for the price.
Yeah I can believe that! I think THE BOX is a generic factory brand Thomann put their name on! The spec looks great don’t wouldn’t surprise me if they are good!
The mackie show box I tried a great concept but a horrible speaker not clear has it distorted at very low db the worst speaker ever it's horrible even on the face book demos you can pick it out ,even at 80 db it's not clear.
I'm still yet to try that out, but the concept seems like a winner! You can never really compare battery speakers to mains-powered boxes, but that does seem low! It could be bad factory QC (which wouldn't surprise me with Mackie!), so it sounds like it's definitely worth trying before you buy!
@@GaryOnBass I bought it from Sweetwater when it came out and promptly returned it. I didn’t like the operating system or the sound and there was a lot of hiss noise too. Terrible.
I suggest u briefly ,concisely n directly just enumerate all d brand names of PA u would recommend instead of talking a lot which s a wastage of your effort n times ,as well 2 your viewers.
Yes, I did think that after! I know that sometimes its nice to have the reasoning for each choice rather than a random list! I hope it helped!
Qsc are overrated! They have Cheap celestion driver. Rcf, FBT, kv2 audio, EAW, meyer sound, etc are high quality
I totally agree! Although, I have had quite a lot of experience with Celestion drivers and they aren’t all bad! Just a lot of variance throughout the range!
@GaryOnBass rcf, b&c or 18sound drivers are excellent!!
For sure! Faital speakers are great if you like RCF too!
@@GaryOnBass yes