design3 - Interview with Edmund McMillen of Team Meat
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Edmund McMillen is one half of the rawest game company in the industry, Team Meat, and also well known for his own personal projects (ever heard of an addictive little game called The Binding of Isaac?). Ben Mears sits down with a fellow Santa Cruz resident to talk about everything from independent game producion, to internet hecklers, to the perks of being an animal control officer. Make sure you don't miss Edmund's invaluable tips on game design, working with publishers, and exclusive insight into Team Meat's upcoming projects.
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Edmund is the walking definition of awesome
"Indies are repairing the damage that the mainstream has done to videogames"
Respect!
Manuel Soruco thank you Im trying my hardest something mainstream could never do
As an indie developer myself, Ed has been a personal hero of mine for many years. He always wants to inspire people to make games that are touching and unique.
@Stevenation 420 hes full of shit hahaha
Edmund's philosophy of playing being more important than sales, is actually better for his sales. I played the shit out of Binding of Isaac before buying it, but I wanted to buy it after I played it!
It's more the structure of larger companies then sales per say. When you have 100 people working on 1 project, ti can be hard to express individuality, or develop better ideas with crunch times and publishers.
omg same.
People like Ed make me believe in humanity again . He's humble and not greedy like many game developers out there.
Me too man
Thanks to this guys that i started to learn programming video games, i still suck at it, but i love it.
Keep at it dude. You'll get better :)
+Watapax What have you started with? In all honesty, if you're just starting, I'd recommend something like GameMaker. You'll learn the basic techniques of coding, with the possibility of making something awesome without having to spend years learning how to hand-code things like shaders, etc. This is all prefaced, of course, with the assumption that you haven't started with a basic engine creator to begin with. Have fun coding! It's awesome!
***** do you actually use code in GameMaker? I thought it was just one of those bullshit no code things like games factory.
+Torsten Power Disagree all you like, rebuilding things from scratch that have already been done is counterproductive from the amateur game designers perspective. If you're keen to learn how to generate engines, which may take months or even years from scratch (look at valve's engines for an example) then definitely learn to code. If you want to get started making games, a popular platform is the way to go, whether it be GM, Unity or something like Clickfusion. Anything else is usually coder elitism (not that I would dare accuse you of such a thing). Many popular and well-selling games have been built using these tools and to discount them is to hamstring yourself in a way that usually ends up being useless in the long run.
I wasn't actually disagreeing with you. I was just asking if you use code in gamemaker as you said 'You'll learn the basic techniques of coding' whereas I thought gamemaker didn't include any coding. The reason programming something (not necessarily entirely from scratch) is good, is because you usually have way more freedom in what you can do. You don't have to program an entire games engine but you can use a pre-built one like adobe flash or unity.
I'm currently a junior in high school, but I want to eventually start my own indie game studio and I imagine it being like Team Meat. I look up to Edmund and Tommy. They really are two awesome guys!
i would like an update on this, do you still have the same opinion? just asking
I could listen to him all day :D
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i love edmund tho he awesome but come on bro 1v1 me my gamertag is derpy in macedonia
Got lots of respect for you Ed. You are truly an inspiration, and a cool dude in general.
I love him! Edmund is very awesome dude.
As an illustrator, Edmund has managed to do something that most artists (like myself) fail to achieve...hes created his own style. I guessed he designed the characters in Alien Hominid just from how they looked....that's a really important quality to have as an illustrator
Alien Hominid's art was not done by Edmund, it was done by Dan Paladin, another well known Newgrounds contributor.
Well, if that's so his art looks very similar to Edmunds
Says Edmund has his own unique style
Thinks a Dan Paladin game is his
Seems legit :p
80sKid his style is essentially Flash. not to take anything away from him, he's an awesome artist and one of my personal heroes, but his art style is basically his take on the glory days of flash games, so you'll find a few games (like alien hominid which started as a flash game) that look similar to his
I disagree. That's like saying my style is essentially Photoshop...its just a software with no aesthetic. His character are always short, stubby and have big glistening black eyes, that's how you know
30 minutes in and onwards I find that what Ed says is truly honest and valuable for all indie game developers. As somebody just starting out, I find it really informative and inspirational.
makes me so happy hearing Edmund speak. He hits the nail on the head with all he says. The casual scene and big corp gaming industry needs a fatal mishap and it needs to burn for the good games to start growing again. The indie revolution that is happening is the best thing since EVER.
an absolute must-see for anyone interested in game design as a career or hobby.
This was a fantastic interview. I really enjoyed Edmund opening up and talking about a lot of very personal subjects. Packed with a lot of insight and truth. Going to have to look at more of your interviews. I love the long format, I hope they are all this good!
This guy definitely has the right perspective on life. Don't pursue things arbitrarily, focus on what you love and you'll be successful at it. (Whether that makes you money, though, is a separate matter. Definitely not mutually exclusive though.)
Frizzil You could start a business by making paper planes, if you like it and work hard for it.
Ed very much is the kind of person I see myself as and he is an awesome dude and definitely inspirational. I admire his humble attitude which is hard to find nowadays.
"I don't care if you steal my games, I made them to be played." -Edmund Mcmillen
This guy deserves my money.
"Indies are repairing the damage that mainstream has done to video games"
So true.
Watching this I found really inspiring. Its great to see the faces behind the games we love so much, makes you realise how much goes into a game when they talk about the additional work load AFTER the launch, setting up severs and bug fixes, all for people who ain't giving extra money for this service. If I ever get an opportunity to be recognised as a fellow game dev these guys would be on my list of people to mention for my motivation.
Everything he says can be applied to any indie artist whether that's a writer, musician, actor, anything. His wisdom is hard earned over many years.
This really put me in perspective, i was trying to do everything this guy said don't do, do be ambitious on your first game, don't do it for big big money, all that I'm trying to do now
This is a great interview, Edmund seems like a great guy with good character. Thanks for posting this, anyone who has given the game industry any thought should really take a look at this interview.
Very interesting, insightful interview. I heard a podcast with Edmund before where he touched some similar things, but I think this interview really answered lots of questions I had about his games. Also, the story of Binding of Isaac's development sounds really funny to my ears, too - I really, really loved that game. I put 43h into it, finished it with every character in the game, and it certainly became one of my favorite games of last year.
Ah, awesome interview, I admire Ed so much I couldn't completely describe why. I wasn't planning on watching this in one sit, but couldn't help it, now it's 5 am, hah. I was also sleepy before starting, but that quickly changed. :P
Next to watch Tom's interview :D, but maybe after some sleep... my brain seems to need it...
3 AM over here, gotta say I agree with every word you wrote.
Hahaha 4 am over here and only 25 mintues into the video. Everything he says is just so interesting. He'll always be my favourite indie game developer.
Torsten Power same
eltiolavara9 how come it says that your comment was posted at 15:35 then :P
Torsten Power no i mean same that hes my fav indie game dev too
Idk why, but somehow all of this can be somewhat applied to writing. Not the part about how hard a game is and progression, but like themes and development. Like don't think you're gonna be the biggest thing with the first story or book, you gotta fail, learn, and fix what mistakes you made. That part is what I connect with and love about video games and writing. They both use elements from one another. Edmund is truly an inspiration.
@design3channel you are one of the very few who goes out get really good interviews. I've been watching a few of your interview and I really get into them. thank for uploading such great and detailed interviews.
Man this guy is such an inspiration! Love the interviewer as well. He's a fan. Thank you for letting a fan interview the person (who made a game) that he admires. He's asking really relevant questions and not interrupting at all. design3 you have gained another subscriber and I'm about to go watch the full interview with Tommy now :D
I only clicked to see Ed and what he looks like, but man, when he started sharing about his life, I had to listen to it all. So inspiring :)
i've seen it , great movie. I almost cried in some moments.
I could listen to him talk all day long
Love this guy.. something tells me he has a few issues with his mother though .. perhaps a few more DARKER ones behind those.. The best artists are tortured..
sheepthehack It was his step-dad he had the biggest issue he stated in the movie.
DemoTheHusky Yeah, I caught that.. but he didnt put his step dad as an EVIL GROTESQUE at the end of one of his games did he? He put MOM :) infact, not JUST the end boss, but pretty much the driving force for the entire game, as she is the one that chose GOD over ISAAC.. wonder if there are any parallels there.. ?? :)
sheepthehack Religion is pretty fucked!
DemoTheHusky
Yes indeed it is, and we have 2 REAL kinds.. the crazy kind where you think your talking to god.. and the more acceptable kind where god is actually an extention of yourself and your SELF belief.. the one that actors and rappers thank when they win something.. :) but yeah.. religion is a dangerous thing coupled with our primitive nature.
sheepthehack They're all a bunch of dummies!
I love this guy so much. I don't even play video games but as a wannabe indie artist he's such an inspiration
what an inspiration. i myself am a young teenager just starting out with some friends, and this interview has taught me alot. thank you
So interesting and he's so good in putting his thoughts and feeling in words; no doubt he's so good to translate them in games. Much respect for this man.
Edmund is the only indie developer that I like as both a creator and a person.
A very good interview. It's interesting knowing the opinion of somebody with experience in indie game design. I also liked Ed's sincerity about his life and the hardships he passed through. Keep up the good work!
I really don't know if he realizes how inspiring this is. This helps so much.
Thanks to design3 for providing this great interview, and many thanks to Edmund for sharing his experience and insight. :)
Getting to relate with stuff the people you look up to say is an amazing experience!
This is such a special interview. It is really inspiring to hear his story on his career development. Can't wait to watch more of these!
Gish, Super Meat Boy and The Binding of Isaac are all great games. Thank you so much, Edmund, for all your hard word! You have kept my love for games alive with your beautiful art and great design. Looking forward to more from you and Team Meat in the future. Cheers from Denmark!
Binding of Isaac does everything Diablo III does not and was supposed to do. Edmund, you are in my humble opinion one of the most important voices of the contemporary gaming culture, this is history, happening right now.
I can't imagine how good your taste in and your contributions to art and entertainment are
A fucking legend. I can't wait for the Binding of Isaac remake, and he's such a stand up guy that he'll probably offer a discount for those of us who already own the original on PC.
Given the information that has currently been listed, new characters, new items, new endings - The Binding of Isaac is going to be a game I play until I die.
honestly this is truly amazing, i was looking for an alternative of GDC videos(seen almost all the free ones), and this is the next best thing....subscribed++
Edmund and Pixel Amiya are my favorite indie devs.
Thanks to both of you guys; it took me two sittings but I enjoyed every minute of this
This man is my role model. He is one of the greatest game makers of all time providing endless hours of entertainment.
I love this guy and his games. There so amazing, and the art style is just amazing. People could learn a thing or two from him
Man Edmund is such a cool cat.
There he is
What a legend. My new favourite person.
This dude is really passionate for his game, he really wants people to play his game and enjoy it to the point that he doesn't care if people steal/pirate it off wow he's just that devoted for game making. And here I am thinking that having a career in this shape or form would be...well, I know its going to be hard, but, never thought that most indie game makers go thru lots of pain and hardship to meet success. I guess this is the time reality slaps you in the face.
Thanks for uploading this interview, I didn't know a lot about Ed before this but I love Meat Boy and Isaac. I'm glad I watched, Ed is a really cool guy =)
kinda mind blown by something that's really nothing. you're my old favorite youtuber and I was just looking up stuff on Edmund cause I recently bought tapeworm and it's just cool seeing one of your old hidden comments here. thanks for all the good times and quality entertainment with your vids man.
@@Psychobum91932 It is nice to roll back the years :) thank you for a lovely comment
Whole bunch of indie games for sale on Steam right now, including Binding of Isaac (and its expansion), Super Meat Boy and documentary Indie Game: The Movie. So if you want to support this guy, time to do it is now.
I could listen to this guy for hours.
Loved the interview/interviewer/interviewee. Great job guys!
Amazing channel...kudos to design3!!! Wished I found you guys sooner.
Great interview, great channel. Keep up the good work guys.
He is truly one of the greatest game designers, and human beings to ever be alive.
"That mask that would cry blood"
Me: So that's where he got the Mask of Infamy...
I still hate that thing though.
Great interview. Much respect to Team Meat after watching this.
It's interesting that edmund mentioned the witness when the game isn't out till 4 years later.
Marc Gale yeah its crazy how long we waited for that game. i think he announced in like 2011
Awesome. Really glad I saw the entire video, Team Meat is quite simply badass.
I'd also recommend the Tommy Refenes interview with design3 to you guys.
I have nothing but respect for Edmund.
Wow, Edmund McMillen what a inspirational guy. A super realistic view of the business of "creativity". I also liked how he talked about dealing with haters, loads for people to learn there before they tear someone up online. Although I'm wishing I reacted to SMB the same way, (>x
Fantastic interview. I really love the games that Edmund and Team Meat have made. Looking forward to Wrath of the Lamb and the unannounced game.
Edmund is such a inspiration its surprising that im just like him like in a lot of ways with the weird drawings and stuff so im actually going to start making games so everyone wish me luck.
Honestly I love Eds games. Gish was amazing, MB and SMB was awesome. But Issac is his best game, by far imo. That's saying something considering just how GREAT the rest of his projects are, the amazing flash game's he's done around newgrounds. Everything the man touches is really impressive to me. His art is just beautiful, in a very...disturbing way. Hope he keeps it up, and I cannot WAIT to see what him and Team Meat do next, I'll be first in line to toss him my cash.
He seems like like an amazing interviewee, there are "famous people" who get paid millions and can give an interview a tenth as good as that.
Finally broke down and bought the game at 31 minutes into the video. He's amazing.
He is, in my opinion, the most artistic and original of the indie developers.
I think it's between Edmund and Notch for coolest indie dev. I think Edmund has a lot of passion and really puts a piece of himself into each game he creates. He explores human emotion in a way I think a lot of people are afraid to. But Notch kinda is the opposite, in a good way. He made a game, which people love, but in the end, he only made it because he liked it, and wanted to. For himself. He just sees it as a bonus that others love it. I wish more devs were like these guys.
Also notch has a hilarious twitter
Excellent interview. Thanks for making it.
Very good interview. I like the honest view on things. I don't agree with the FarmVille comparison, though, because I know of a lot of people playing FarmVille and they would not even touch Isaac because they wouldn't find it compelling at all.
Personally I don't play FarmVille but not because I don't consider it a game, but because it doesn't draw my attention, which is the same reason why I don't play COD, Angry Birds, Minecraft, WoW, or even Meatboy.
I got both Isaac and WotL for like £5 total, and I've spent about 80 hours playing it. And if you think that is value for money, look at what Northernlion has done. He's nearly at TH-cam run video 500. That is INSANE. Great game.
I just noticed his Tshirt. I love that he is a fan of Alejandro Jodorowsky.
Ed, you're the most inspiring person of my life.
This was a great interview. very deep, and inspirational. this interview made me like Edmund McMillen even more then i already did. :)
Fantastic video, thanks very much for posting this. I really appreciate your work!
How the HELL does something like this only have 6000 views? But if someone puts puppy or kitten as keyword they get 9000000 views?? This video deserves more attention!
He owns the company. He calls the shots.
Although linking accounts like that is a lot more difficult than it sounds.
Great interview, thanks for the upload!
This guy is pretty damn impressive.
That's how it should be. When i go to an art festival, almost all of the works around me are independent. When I go to a gaming convention almost all the works around me should be independent.
Man, Ed is awesome.
Well music from both Super meat boy and BoI were being played.
Can't wait for everything they're doing. Keep up the amazing work!
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Gish was one of the first games i playd on a computer .. ah, those times.
Love your artstyle Ed, as you know.. from twitter x3
I absolutely agree with his comments about how bundles and Steam pricing are ruining the price perception of games. A great game like Super Meat Boy should easily be in the $15 to $20 range. Selling games on Steam for $5 to $10 is creating a false sense of worth such that people now expect an indie game to be $9.99 and a AAA game to be $59.99.
Indie game developers are undervaluing our own work and it will come back to bite us.
this guy is my fav indie developer
36:29 and onwards.
Best quote ever.
Edmund it's just a huge inspiration. Keep on!
This guys everywhere. Interviews is his new thing not so much into games anymore.
Whaaaat?! Isaac was a dry run in roguelike mechanics? Now that's exciting.
can't we all just agree on the fact there both great developers of this time?
Great interview with amazing honesty. Not a pioneer but still a gaming hero of hero's.
29:00 what he is talking about right there is zen. This man knows what he is doing.
OUT-DO SUPER MEAT BOY?!?? THIS IS MADNESS!!!!!!!!!