No it doesn't. You cannot be stripped of your Irish citizenship if you are a natural born citizen of the country. The rules only apply to naturalized citizens. Any country can strip you of your naturalized citizenship if you don't follow their rules. The UK did it recently with Shamama Begum when she was convicted of being involved in terrorism. She appealed the government's decision and lost. The Irish courts have the same powers.
@@celticlofts She was a terrorist wife with same ideology she cannot be compared with normal naturalized citizens who are living in other countries maybe because of better job/pay or maybe other reasons. This law is discriminating. Why only naturalized citizens suffer just because they are living in other country then what is the use of getting citizenship if you have to apply yr after yr to renew it just like normal visas. Irish government should change this old 1956 bull**it rule it is of no use in today's globalized world.
Irish citizenship is not a right by birth . They stopped that because of all the illegal aliens using there irish born child as a loop hole to stay in the country. Being born in Ireland does not make you necessarily irish
Sounds like bullshit. I've had foreign birth registry citizenship for 25 years. My first passport expired after 10 years. I didn't bother to replace it for 4 years after that. This presented no problem. I have never heard of anyone having their citizenship summarily taken away by the Irish government. Millions of non-residents hold Irish passports. The government does not hunt you down and take yours away if you don't use it. I have never in 25 years heard of any form I need to fill out to keep my citizenship current. There is no mention of this anywhere on the extensive Irish citizenship website. Doesn't happen. If it does, cite some actual examples.
FBR is not naturalisation though. Naturalisation is process for individuals who are not Irish at birth, and have no Irish parent or grandparent in order to get entered on the FBR. FBR individuals are Irish for life, no need to renew.
@@stuartmcconnachie - Yes, but the guy who made this video addresses it to everyone who has acquired Irish citizenship. At about 1:48 above, he implies clearly that anyone who has acquired Irish citizenship as a second passport is at risk of losing it if they are non-residents. "You can't keep these [2nd passports] forever", he says. This isn't true. My Irish FBR citizenship is permanent, unless for some reason I choose to renounce it. Ireland now issues more than 1 million passports annually - an extraordinary number considering that Ireland has a population of only 5.2 million people. There are now millions of Irish passport holders, many FBR applicants, who live outside of Ireland. The government seems to have no problem with this. The fees alone for FBR & passport applications, and related passport renewals, constitute a huge revenue stream. The premise of this video is that there is a real risk of losing your Irish passport and citizenship if you aren't a resident and you don't file a form every 7 years asserting your citizenship rights. But how often does anyone, naturalized or otherwise, actually have this rule enforced on them? The text from the 1956 immigration act on the Ministry of Justice website cited in the video says the Minister "has the power" to remove the citizenship of non-resident naturalized citizens. This wording suggests that this power is discretionary, not mandatory. Is it actually exercised as a matter of policy? Doubtful. It would be a different matter entirely if the statute said that citizenship SHALL BE REMOVED, or DEEMED TO BE INVALID after 7 years of non-residency, but it simply doesn't say this. I can understand that the government reserved to itself the power to remove naturalization rights from people who abuse them. This is reasonable. But how many people, since 1956, have actually had their citizenships cancelled under this rule? How many of the people who meet all the requirements of naturalization - getting the necessary visas, establishing residency for 5 years, etc - would then pick up and move out of Ireland? Very few, I would think. That's a lot of time and effort to go to just to get a passport they won't use, or use simply to get access to the EU. So it's really a non-issue. Anyway, my 2 cents. I didn't mean for this post to be so long. Cheers.
@@FAngus-ly8lk Yes, throughout the whole video it’s obvious that Kisinformation either doesn’t understand, or doesn’t bother to convey, the difference between naturalisation and citizenship by birth.
The only other country that has this is Mexico. I think if you live outside of Mexico as a naturalised citizen for over 5 years (i think) you can lose it. This does not apply to birthright citizenships, much like Ireland. It is unfair in the cases of both Ireland and Mexico
Agreed, it doesn't seem to be very logical, I can understand it with Residency in a way but citizenship should always be permanent unless the person wishes to renounce
@@kisinformation : Naturalized citizenship is a privilege, it's not a right. In the UK deprivation of citizenship can take place under Section 40 of the British Nationality Act 1981 and occurs when the applicant has committed fraud, false representations or concealment of a material fact. This can also occur if the Home Office deems it to be conducive to public good. This is what happened with Shamima Begum when she was stripped of her UK passport because of her links to terrorism.
@@celticloftsand in the UK British born people have lost thier citizenship on the grounds of terrorism. Someone known as Jihadi Jack was British born and lost his citizenship of the UK for the exact same reason as Shamima Begum. While i can't say i know of all the details, the basic story is he got involved with ISIS and was quite rightly viewed by the British state as a terrorist or someone who has close connections with terrorism and terrorist groups. I think being a Terrorist or having verifiable links and connections to terroist groups abroad is a whole different ball game to 'this person lived outside the country for over 5 years' and got thier citizenship revoked. 2 widly different things
I believe if you naturalize by Irish Descent / Associations at the minister’s discretion, this does not apply. Though a few people are granted this. If you naturalize through marriage or normal means, it does. Ofc it does not apply for Birthright or FBR.
The government does not act on this. It has actually set up companies to help you get an Irish passport. But I would fill in the forms. In the future, an Irish passport will not be as good because all the undocumented immigrants will get one free.
Read all the comments. Lots of countries got the same idea for naturalised citizens, 10 yrs for Singapore, 5 yrs for Malaysia, 7 yrs for Malta. Literally every old world country got the same rule and grant minister the power to revoke the certificate of naturalisation if one is involved in terrorism which is very normal. What sets new world county at least english speaking countries like Canada USA New Zealand and Australia apart is that they allow naturalised citizens live overseas permanently without filling form to retain the citizenship and declare they only live abroad temporarily per year. The intention is those who come outside of out society should contribute for example pay the tax and work for rest of their life, we give our own citizens the right of keeping citizenship forever doesnt matter where they live bc theyre one of us. - Ireland is for irish. New world counties are founded by immigrants therefore such rule doesnt exist but strip citizenship to prevent from terrorist attacking is just part of national security concern. Lots of Asians i know would rather take british than irish even after brexit. People leave for a reason, if a country is so great with loads of opportunities then why people leave lol.
Hello, thank you very much for the tip, what if someone moves to England, since Ireland and the United Kingdom have an agreement that their citizens can live in the country without many requirements, does it change the scenario?
This guy does not know what he is talking about . Irish citizens thru fbr live all over the e.u. and have never has any issues or will in keeping there passports You dont have to have ever stepped foot in Ireland. You will never lose your irish citizenship or need to sign a declaration of retention. This coming from an irish passport holder who got his citizenship in the 1980s . Who knows irish passport law the back of his hand
@emptybuddha5308 it is not the law regarding citizenship by blood/ decent # FBR. its is the law regarding non indigenous irish citizenship/ naturalisation
At this point, for non-Irish citizens of Ireland, revocation should be changed to be the same as for a tax domicile (183 days) and should be automatic.
I would further propose that legislation be enacted stipulating that a probationary period of seven years must be completed in order to fulfill the requirements of citizenship. Those requirements include no serious criminal convictions. Failure to comply with the legislation would result in an automatic deportation order being issued on completion of a prison sentence. This legislation would also apply to any legal resident of the state. This would keep the foreign criminal element out of the country.
@@celticlofts You are very particular considering that Irish people entered many peoples' countries when Ireland was in difficulty. If other countries had imposed the kinds of rules you want, many Irish people would've been doomed to starvation.
The bigger risk is in not renewing your Irish passport when it's due to be renewed. That could raise a red flag and might attract attention. Using your passport and keeping it up to date is the best way of not drawing attention to yourself.
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This only applies to Naturalized citizens, if you are by familiar or post nuptial then it doesn’t apply for example You should be very specific or do your research..
The inconvenience associated with the declaration of retention is a lot less hassle than losing your citizenship and not being able to live, work or retire in the EU, especially if you're from the UK. This declaration only applies to naturalized citizens and does not impact those who are Irish born citizens. Irish born citizens can never lose their Irish citizenship. I actually think it's a good idea. Your passport is not a trophy, it is meant to be used, and if you don't use it you lose it. Remember having naturalized citizenship of any country is a privilege and the rules associated with retaining it should be respected.
Actually every country should do the same. Your passport should not be used simply as a passport of convenience. To be granted naturalized citizenship of any country is a huge privilege and should not be taken lightly. In fact what's the point of gaining citizenship of a country you don't want to live in, or indeed contribute anything to? Yeah I think the Irish have the right idea.
It's not there for general usage. What it does is provides the government with a legal basis to strip you of your Irish citizenship if they deem it necessary, or prudent, to do so. That being said I would still follow the rules set out by the department of foreign affairs. You certainly don't want to ignore them is what I'm saying.
Someone needs to take this to court because this creates a second class citizen
No it doesn't. You cannot be stripped of your Irish citizenship if you are a natural born citizen of the country. The rules only apply to naturalized citizens. Any country can strip you of your naturalized citizenship if you don't follow their rules. The UK did it recently with Shamama Begum when she was convicted of being involved in terrorism. She appealed the government's decision and lost. The Irish courts have the same powers.
@@celticlofts She was a terrorist wife with same ideology she cannot be compared with normal naturalized citizens who are living in other countries maybe because of better job/pay or maybe other reasons.
This law is discriminating. Why only naturalized citizens suffer just because they are living in other country then what is the use of getting citizenship if you have to apply yr after yr to renew it just like normal visas.
Irish government should change this old 1956 bull**it rule it is of no use in today's globalized world.
@@celticloftsI'd love to lose my Fing American citizenship. I got FING students loan
Ireland will leave the EU all foreign people will be constripted.
Irish citizenship is not a right by birth . They stopped that because of all the illegal aliens using there irish born child as a loop hole to stay in the country. Being born in Ireland does not make you necessarily irish
Sounds like bullshit. I've had foreign birth registry citizenship for 25 years. My first passport expired after 10 years. I didn't bother to replace it for 4 years after that. This presented no problem. I have never heard of anyone having their citizenship summarily taken away by the Irish government. Millions of non-residents hold Irish passports. The government does not hunt you down and take yours away if you don't use it. I have never in 25 years heard of any form I need to fill out to keep my citizenship current. There is no mention of this anywhere on the extensive Irish citizenship website. Doesn't happen. If it does, cite some actual examples.
FBR is not naturalisation though. Naturalisation is process for individuals who are not Irish at birth, and have no Irish parent or grandparent in order to get entered on the FBR. FBR individuals are Irish for life, no need to renew.
@@stuartmcconnachie - Yes, but the guy who made this video addresses it to everyone who has acquired Irish citizenship. At about 1:48 above, he implies clearly that anyone who has acquired Irish citizenship as a second passport is at risk of losing it if they are non-residents. "You can't keep these [2nd passports] forever", he says. This isn't true. My Irish FBR citizenship is permanent, unless for some reason I choose to renounce it.
Ireland now issues more than 1 million passports annually - an extraordinary number considering that Ireland has a population of only 5.2 million people. There are now millions of Irish passport holders, many FBR applicants, who live outside of Ireland. The government seems to have no problem with this. The fees alone for FBR & passport applications, and related passport renewals, constitute a huge revenue stream.
The premise of this video is that there is a real risk of losing your Irish passport and citizenship if you aren't a resident and you don't file a form every 7 years asserting your citizenship rights.
But how often does anyone, naturalized or otherwise, actually have this rule enforced on them? The text from the 1956 immigration act on the Ministry of Justice website cited in the video says the Minister "has the power" to remove the citizenship of non-resident naturalized citizens. This wording suggests that this power is discretionary, not mandatory. Is it actually exercised as a matter of policy? Doubtful. It would be a different matter entirely if the statute said that citizenship SHALL BE REMOVED, or DEEMED TO BE INVALID after 7 years of non-residency, but it simply doesn't say this.
I can understand that the government reserved to itself the power to remove naturalization rights from people who abuse them. This is reasonable. But how many people, since 1956, have actually had their citizenships cancelled under this rule?
How many of the people who meet all the requirements of naturalization - getting the necessary visas, establishing residency for 5 years, etc - would then pick up and move out of Ireland? Very few, I would think. That's a lot of time and effort to go to just to get a passport they won't use, or use simply to get access to the EU. So it's really a non-issue. Anyway, my 2 cents. I didn't mean for this post to be so long. Cheers.
@@FAngus-ly8lk Yes, throughout the whole video it’s obvious that Kisinformation either doesn’t understand, or doesn’t bother to convey, the difference between naturalisation and citizenship by birth.
The only other country that has this is Mexico. I think if you live outside of Mexico as a naturalised citizen for over 5 years (i think) you can lose it.
This does not apply to birthright citizenships, much like Ireland.
It is unfair in the cases of both Ireland and Mexico
Agreed, it doesn't seem to be very logical, I can understand it with Residency in a way but citizenship should always be permanent unless the person wishes to renounce
@@kisinformation : Naturalized citizenship is a privilege, it's not a right. In the UK deprivation of citizenship can take place under Section 40 of the British Nationality Act 1981 and occurs when the applicant has committed fraud, false representations or concealment of a material fact. This can also occur if the Home Office deems it to be conducive to public good. This is what happened with Shamima Begum when she was stripped of her UK passport because of her links to terrorism.
@@celticloftsand in the UK British born people have lost thier citizenship on the grounds of terrorism. Someone known as Jihadi Jack was British born and lost his citizenship of the UK for the exact same reason as Shamima Begum. While i can't say i know of all the details, the basic story is he got involved with ISIS and was quite rightly viewed by the British state as a terrorist or someone who has close connections with terrorism and terrorist groups.
I think being a Terrorist or having verifiable links and connections to terroist groups abroad is a whole different ball game to 'this person lived outside the country for over 5 years' and got thier citizenship revoked.
2 widly different things
I believe if you naturalize by Irish Descent / Associations at the minister’s discretion, this does not apply. Though a few people are granted this. If you naturalize through marriage or normal means, it does. Ofc it does not apply for Birthright or FBR.
The government does not act on this. It has actually set up companies to help you get an Irish passport.
But I would fill in the forms. In the future, an Irish passport will not be as good because all the undocumented immigrants will get one free.
How in the world will undocumented immigrants get one for free? You evidently don't have a clue as to how the system works do you?
Does the form submission have to be done every year?
Read the document on the Irish foreign affairs website, it will give you all the information you need to know.
Only if you don't use the passport.
Read all the comments. Lots of countries got the same idea for naturalised citizens, 10 yrs for Singapore, 5 yrs for Malaysia, 7 yrs for Malta. Literally every old world country got the same rule and grant minister the power to revoke the certificate of naturalisation if one is involved in terrorism which is very normal.
What sets new world county at least english speaking countries like Canada USA New Zealand and Australia apart is that they allow naturalised citizens live overseas permanently without filling form to retain the citizenship and declare they only live abroad temporarily per year.
The intention is those who come outside of out society should contribute for example pay the tax and work for rest of their life, we give our own citizens the right of keeping citizenship forever doesnt matter where they live bc theyre one of us. - Ireland is for irish. New world counties are founded by immigrants therefore such rule doesnt exist but strip citizenship to prevent from terrorist attacking is just part of national security concern.
Lots of Asians i know would rather take british than irish even after brexit. People leave for a reason, if a country is so great with loads of opportunities then why people leave lol.
Hello, thank you very much for the tip, what if someone moves to England, since Ireland and the United Kingdom have an agreement that their citizens can live in the country without many requirements, does it change the scenario?
Thank you so much! I have Irish citizenship as a second nationality. I had no idea about this. Thank you!
No problem!
This guy does not know what he is talking about . Irish citizens thru fbr live all over the e.u. and have never has any issues or will in keeping there passports You dont have to have ever stepped foot in Ireland. You will never lose your irish citizenship or need to sign a declaration of retention. This coming from an irish passport holder who got his citizenship in the 1980s . Who knows irish passport law the back of his hand
I think he's only talking about Irish citizenship by naturalization, not through being born in Ireland nor FBR.
@emptybuddha5308 it is not the law regarding citizenship by blood/ decent # FBR. its is the law regarding non indigenous irish citizenship/ naturalisation
At this point, for non-Irish citizens of Ireland, revocation should be changed to be the same as for a tax domicile (183 days) and should be automatic.
I would further propose that legislation be enacted stipulating that a probationary period of seven years must be completed in order to fulfill the requirements of citizenship. Those requirements include no serious criminal convictions. Failure to comply with the legislation would result in an automatic deportation order being issued on completion of a prison sentence. This legislation would also apply to any legal resident of the state. This would keep the foreign criminal element out of the country.
@@celticlofts You are very particular considering that Irish people entered many peoples' countries when Ireland was in difficulty. If other countries had imposed the kinds of rules you want, many Irish people would've been doomed to starvation.
The bigger risk is in not renewing your Irish passport when it's due to be renewed. That could raise a red flag and might attract attention. Using your passport and keeping it up to date is the best way of not drawing attention to yourself.
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By naturalization =/= by descent, of course...
I piece of paper doesn't make you Irish, Irish identity is Racial always has been and always will be.
This only applies to Naturalized citizens, if you are by familiar or post nuptial then it doesn’t apply for example You should be very specific or do your research..
What if I don't do this and don't have any other nationality because I had to give that up(India)?
You can become stateless.
Do you live in Ireland or in India?
@@celticlofts India
@@music-master : So you have to enter your own country as a tourist then?
You're an ethnic Indian non national living as a tourist or illegal in India?😂😂😂 Wtf. People need to just stop passport shopping!
The inconvenience associated with the declaration of retention is a lot less hassle than losing your citizenship and not being able to live, work or retire in the EU, especially if you're from the UK. This declaration only applies to naturalized citizens and does not impact those who are Irish born citizens. Irish born citizens can never lose their Irish citizenship. I actually think it's a good idea. Your passport is not a trophy, it is meant to be used, and if you don't use it you lose it. Remember having naturalized citizenship of any country is a privilege and the rules associated with retaining it should be respected.
Agreed, it's not the end of the world, but I still think it's a little weird.
@@kisinformation : I doubt it's enforced.
Actually every country should do the same. Your passport should not be used simply as a passport of convenience. To be granted naturalized citizenship of any country is a huge privilege and should not be taken lightly. In fact what's the point of gaining citizenship of a country you don't want to live in, or indeed contribute anything to? Yeah I think the Irish have the right idea.
Absolutely!!! Citizenship needs to stop being sold so cheaply!
It's not there for general usage. What it does is provides the government with a legal basis to strip you of your Irish citizenship if they deem it necessary, or prudent, to do so. That being said I would still follow the rules set out by the department of foreign affairs. You certainly don't want to ignore them is what I'm saying.