Which heartland model? I've seen lots of them. The one thing in common is that the people who believe in the heartland constantly repeat "it makes sense" that sounds like brainwashing to me
Very interesting video. Great information. I remember years ago reading about places like this and Kir Beit Lehi south of Jerusalem being a possible place of Lehi's original home.
To suggest that region of Oman, or the peninsula was a shipbuilding region, or could provide the resources to do so for one ship of such a size is ridiculous, and unsubstantiated. There is no evidence that a group lived there for years, let alone worked metal, or built a transoceanic vessel. He grossly underestimates the undertaking of building a ship, the resources, skill sets, and sustaining the town of people needed to build such, and speaks of it so nonchalantly. 🤦
@@joshua.snyderyour refusal to accept miracles is ridiculous. There were no boats in Noah’s time yet God showed him how to make a pretty efficient craft. The Jaredites didn't know how to build any sea vessels but God showed him how to make eight of them. I believe they were all wiser than we are.
@@GregFessia Interesting stories but entirely ridiculous premise for the time, lack of resources, lack of knowledge, manpower, food, metal working, etc involved. Let alone navigating a transoceanic journey. God dismissing science, and free will to pull off miracles defies everything.
I think the best candidate for Bountiful is the area around ancient Phoenicia and Sidon ( i.e.river Sidon) in Lebanon . It fit's perfectly ,with an area bountiful in fruit's , honey, etc.. It is just below Mt. Hermon, the largest Mountain in that area, which has all of the ore's needed for ship building and the ancient cedar trees were abundant. Also Nephi would have been able to watch the ancient Phoenician's build their fleet's of ship's. The Phoenician's were the best ship builder's in the day. Also Mt. Hermon was probably the "Mount" mentioned in the Book of Mormon . Also Nephi said they sailed in a "straight" direction. If you sail directly west of Lebanon, you end up on the east coast of the "Land of Promise", the USA. And the "Sea that divides the land" fit's perfectly with the Mediterranean sea. There was a book published around 20 years ago or so called " Only One Cumorah" by Dwayne Ashton. Most of these are his idea's, and I think he's probably right ! Lehi's journey in the wilderness sound's more like a "Sinai" journey , then a Saudi Arabian journey to me. Mt. Hermon also has phosphorous stones that could have been used for window's such as the Jaradite barge's many year's before. Perhap's the river Sidon in the promised land was named after the the city port of Sidon near where they built the ship!
Thanks Ron. Very interesting. How does this theory account for the directions out of Jerusalem, traveling along the borders of the Red Sea, in a south-southeast direction, etc?
@@mdt260 I recommend trying to find Dwayne Ashton's 2 book's long out of print. He give's his theories on these question's. But if the account of Lehi's journey is read closely, it sound's like he's leading his group on the same route as Mose's and the children of Israel, a Sinai journey. So the journey out of Jerusalem would have been south- south east direction till they hit the Sea of Aquaba and then a northly journey after. I mean a Saudi journey is very plausible and likely. But to me Ashton's theory sound's a lot better.
I am in my mid-70s, but I have never heard anyone else, other than a member of the LDS Church, use the word "anciently" to modify a verb. It sounds so strange to my ears every single time I hear or read it.
The main river in the panhandle of Florida is en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apalachicola_River This river transports the quartz sand from the Appalachian mountains that are responsible for the brilliant white sand in that part of Florida
Jonathan Neville is THE BEST!
Accessibility is major factor.
One World Religion is not a good thing.
Looking forward to the kinder hook plates segment.
I am too! I look forward to taping it.
Enjoying these video discussions!
God bless Jonathan Neville and all the heartlanders!
Great Presentation great 👍 work thank you for sharing!
Heartland model is really the only model that makes sense to me.
Which heartland model? I've seen lots of them. The one thing in common is that the people who believe in the heartland constantly repeat "it makes sense" that sounds like brainwashing to me
Been reading through Jonathan Nevilles books. Great great books!
He is an original thinker!
So great, so interesting, I agree with Jonathan, your show is just great!!!
Thanks Julie!
Been binging these Jonathan Neville videos!! Thanks for introducing me to his work!
Glad you like them!
2 Timothy 3:16 and 4:3, the word of God is all you need!
Which word? To which peoples?
Very interesting video. Great information. I remember years ago reading about places like this and Kir Beit Lehi south of Jerusalem being a possible place of Lehi's original home.
Nahom is not a place in the Middle East. The NHM was the tribe of the people there.
To suggest that region of Oman, or the peninsula was a shipbuilding region, or could provide the resources to do so for one ship of such a size is ridiculous, and unsubstantiated. There is no evidence that a group lived there for years, let alone worked metal, or built a transoceanic vessel. He grossly underestimates the undertaking of building a ship, the resources, skill sets, and sustaining the town of people needed to build such, and speaks of it so nonchalantly. 🤦
Not when you have God’s help, He can work miracles.
@@GregFessia Ridiculous.
@@joshua.snyderyour refusal to accept miracles is ridiculous. There were no boats in Noah’s time yet God showed him how to make a pretty efficient craft. The Jaredites didn't know how to build any sea vessels but God showed him how to make eight of them. I believe they were all wiser than we are.
@@GregFessia Interesting stories but entirely ridiculous premise for the time, lack of resources, lack of knowledge, manpower, food, metal working, etc involved. Let alone navigating a transoceanic journey. God dismissing science, and free will to pull off miracles defies everything.
@@joshua.snyder do you believe in miracles, period?
I think the best candidate for Bountiful is the area around ancient Phoenicia and Sidon ( i.e.river Sidon) in Lebanon . It fit's perfectly ,with an area bountiful in fruit's , honey, etc.. It is just below Mt. Hermon, the largest Mountain in that area, which has all of the ore's needed for ship building and the ancient cedar trees were abundant. Also Nephi would have been able to watch the ancient Phoenician's build their fleet's of ship's. The Phoenician's were the best ship builder's in the day. Also Mt. Hermon was probably the "Mount" mentioned in the Book of Mormon . Also Nephi said they sailed in a "straight" direction. If you sail directly west of Lebanon, you end up on the east coast of the "Land of Promise", the USA. And the "Sea that divides the land" fit's perfectly with the Mediterranean sea. There was a book published around 20 years ago or so called " Only One Cumorah" by Dwayne Ashton. Most of these are his idea's, and I think he's probably right ! Lehi's journey in the wilderness sound's more like a "Sinai" journey , then a Saudi Arabian journey to me. Mt. Hermon also has phosphorous stones that could have been used for window's such as the Jaradite barge's many year's before. Perhap's the river Sidon in the promised land was named after the the city port of Sidon near where they built the ship!
Thanks Ron. Very interesting. How does this theory account for the directions out of Jerusalem, traveling along the borders of the Red Sea, in a south-southeast direction, etc?
@@mdt260 I recommend trying to find Dwayne Ashton's 2 book's long out of print. He give's his theories on these question's. But if the account of Lehi's journey is read closely, it sound's like he's leading his group on the same route as Mose's and the children of Israel, a Sinai journey. So the journey out of Jerusalem would have been south- south east direction till they hit the Sea of Aquaba and then a northly journey after. I mean a Saudi journey is very plausible and likely. But to me Ashton's theory sound's a lot better.
Like Kar kafoot
What you've described seems plausible for the Mulekite journey.
it was built along the line of the noah ark with post standing up like a fort not like most ship planks that run long ways on the ship
All he needs now is scientific consensus.
I am in my mid-70s, but I have never heard anyone else, other than a member of the LDS Church, use the word "anciently" to modify a verb. It sounds so strange to my ears every single time I hear or read it.
Mormonism has Many odd word meanings and spellings. Everything in Mormonism is turned 180 degrees to every established Christian moral principle.
The main river in the panhandle of Florida is en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apalachicola_River
This river transports the quartz sand from the Appalachian mountains that are responsible for the brilliant white sand in that part of Florida
More like Jonathan Gay-ville ha ha