For me 'Grayson' is one of the most wisest people alive today, and great Artist. I have loved his latest series, we need more of this! Regards and respect, Andrew.x.
Nice link to Adam Curtis' new film Hypernormalisation, where the point is made that as people feel powerless in the physical world they potentially cultivate power in a virtual world. Very good video, thanks all.
Adding to the discussion to help those who struggled to understand what Perry is communicating. However, this is just my (long) interpretation of what he is saying, I could be wrong. Art is when you set out to create a social, emotional, cultural, historical, political or religious work that evokes controversy, emotions, opinions and a general “movement” in collective thought. Craft is when you are following a set of procedural steps to make a prescribed outcome, sometimes with slight differences. A skill anyone can achieve and copy. Almost like cookie cutter steps or what you see mostly in a classroom, where a teacher/lecturer is teaching students a set of skills where the students will most likely achieve the same outcomes, with their own slight differences. These craft outcomes can still be considered art, as some will approach the task with their own twist and try to add an actual MEANING that is considered contextual (i.e. social, cultural, historical). But if people are just following these cookie cutter, procedural steps, with no PURPOSE, purely to copy a final outcome, it is a CRAFT. Artists take these crafts and turn them into meaningful and invigorating work that they display for a mass so they can communicate a topic, encourage discussions and push for change. Artists can also share their skills, and how they achieve their final outcomes, turning their overall style, or aspects of their artworks into a CRAFT. However, those who learn the artists skills don’t truly resonate with the art form, as it’s not theirs, they didn’t invent that “niche”. It’s how you output that Influence into your own art and develop your own style as an artist, is where a craft can become “art”. Again if you just copy and paste, with no intent or change to the style, it’s not true art. You have purely just practiced a skill, “a craft” that someone else (artist, teacher, lecturer, heck even a baker, chef, brick layer) has taught/ shared with you. It’s difficult to discuss the differences between art and craft as they are so entwined with each other. But there is a difference and being open and understanding of their differences is important. People will get offended if their work is called craft and not art, but think carefully about it… is it? Remember, there is nothing wrong with work being a “craft”, it just means you have honed a skill where you can repetitively create the same outcomes, Over and over, with some changes. Which not everyone can do! Even some of Perry’s work can be considered craft as he has shared out to create vases like his. That is what he is trying to explain with his abstracted analogies… “take a poo”! I could go on and on, definitely a thesis worthy topic 😂
A true artist is someone that stayed steady from very young and was always told you are a artist because many artists are like inventors they make things that are definitely new and different.
I used to feel the same way he seems to feel about scrapbooking. But when I began to do altered books I realized they aren't just gluing pictures to ugly patterned paper. There is merit in having a scrapbooking store. Also, I do understand about his view of digital art...traditional artists tend to feel that same way. In the beginning. I feel as if they don't give it the chance it deserves. Economically speaking, it's widely accessible, and that gives me hope for the future. I can practice and do studies until I'm blue in the face, and I didn't ruin 10 canvases. To each their own , of course.
An interesting video and a long running debate. I think the lines are blurring between art and craft. It seems that the word craft is more often used for specific mediums but I have seen as much art with wool or wood or beads as with paint.
Gosh, you're sarcastic. Why don't you enlighten us with YOUR artistic insight? Or are you so benighted, you hide yourself behind that apple, surfacing only occasionally, to make snide remarks?
Painting on the way to becoming a craft? the what? "doing a poo, do it really well?" the aesthetics of doing a poo? yeah well, I'll leave ya with that one....
Ironic that he talks a bit dismissively about scrapbooks, when many of his vases employ nearly the same type of concept (i.e. taking bits of information and pictures and arranging them "just so" into an overall work) and somewhat resemble pages out of a scrapbook. Albeit, a very subversive scrapbook, but as far as the aesthetic qualities go, they are quite similar in many ways.
itsALLartVideos I get what you mean, but I think what he means is that he finds it baffling how people need to have Magazines and the like to inform them How to scrapbook etc., when it's such a simple, home-spin thing, with simple skills & basic resources. Eg: why do people need a Magazine to tell them how to do it. Plus, he mentioned it after talking about how people can no longer do essential household activities, like changing plugs, so I'm assuming his point is that nowadays everyone has become so divorced from the act of Physically creating, by us all doing stuff digitally, that now even basic things, like scrapbooking, are almost fetishised into being a 'skill', lol,
The person who sculpted the original figures that were made in China is an artist also. you can be an artist and mass produce cause bills need to be paid. boohoo if some art community considers anything I make just a craft. boohoo boohoo I don’t need y’alls validation lol 😂
For me 'Grayson' is one of the most wisest people alive today, and great Artist.
I have loved his latest series, we need more of this!
Regards and respect, Andrew.x.
Nice link to Adam Curtis' new film Hypernormalisation, where the point is made that as people feel powerless in the physical world they potentially cultivate power in a virtual world. Very good video, thanks all.
For me, what he says makes a lot of sense, to the point and factual.
Adding to the discussion to help those who struggled to understand what Perry is communicating. However, this is just my (long) interpretation of what he is saying, I could be wrong.
Art is when you set out to create a social, emotional, cultural, historical, political or religious work that evokes controversy, emotions, opinions and a general “movement” in collective thought.
Craft is when you are following a set of procedural steps to make a prescribed outcome, sometimes with slight differences. A skill anyone can achieve and copy. Almost like cookie cutter steps or what you see mostly in a classroom, where a teacher/lecturer is teaching students a set of skills where the students will most likely achieve the same outcomes, with their own slight differences.
These craft outcomes can still be considered art, as some will approach the task with their own twist and try to add an actual MEANING that is considered contextual (i.e. social, cultural, historical). But if people are just following these cookie cutter, procedural steps, with no PURPOSE, purely to copy a final outcome, it is a CRAFT.
Artists take these crafts and turn them into meaningful and invigorating work that they display for a mass so they can communicate a topic, encourage discussions and push for change.
Artists can also share their skills, and how they achieve their final outcomes, turning their overall style, or aspects of their artworks into a CRAFT.
However, those who learn the artists skills don’t truly resonate with the art form, as it’s not theirs, they didn’t invent that “niche”. It’s how you output that Influence into your own art and develop your own style as an artist, is where a craft can become “art”. Again if you just copy and paste, with no intent or change to the style, it’s not true art. You have purely just practiced a skill, “a craft” that someone else (artist, teacher, lecturer, heck even a baker, chef, brick layer) has taught/ shared with you.
It’s difficult to discuss the differences between art and craft as they are so entwined with each other. But there is a difference and being open and understanding of their differences is important. People will get offended if their work is called craft and not art, but think carefully about it… is it? Remember, there is nothing wrong with work being a “craft”, it just means you have honed a skill where you can repetitively create the same outcomes, Over and over, with some changes. Which not everyone can do! Even some of Perry’s work can be considered craft as he has shared out to create vases like his. That is what he is trying to explain with his abstracted analogies… “take a poo”!
I could go on and on, definitely a thesis worthy topic 😂
A true artist is someone that stayed steady from very young and was always told you are a artist because many artists are like inventors they make things that are definitely new and different.
I used to feel the same way he seems to feel about scrapbooking. But when I began to do altered books I realized they aren't just gluing pictures to ugly patterned paper. There is merit in having a scrapbooking store. Also, I do understand about his view of digital art...traditional artists tend to feel that same way. In the beginning. I feel as if they don't give it the chance it deserves. Economically speaking, it's widely accessible, and that gives me hope for the future. I can practice and do studies until I'm blue in the face, and I didn't ruin 10 canvases. To each their own , of course.
all art and crafts are all teachable and nothing more than training
An interesting video and a long running debate. I think the lines are blurring between art and craft. It seems that the word craft is more often used for specific mediums but I have seen as much art with wool or wood or beads as with paint.
@MegaNavek I thought he made some interesting points - what did you object to? Or were you just trolling?
We women do this too....we do it...!Paint...and digital...just a reminder !
brilliant
Craft requires learning a skill, Art doesn't. Anyone can call themselves an artist and all they need is the validation of another person or persons.
I agree
He looks like one of the band members of “Queen”
that's what you take from this?
If the glasses on his desk were put on the floor by a wall in a gallery ?
Gosh, he's smart.
Gosh, you're sarcastic.
Why don't you enlighten us with YOUR artistic insight? Or are you so benighted, you hide yourself behind that apple, surfacing only occasionally, to make snide remarks?
zedneutrino I was not being sarcastic. I was being sincere. You are obviously surrounded by sarcastic people.
You were being sincere, really?
Sometimes it's difficult to tell with you.
I've had a taste of YOUR sarcasm in the past, you see?
...But you probably wont remember, since I was deemed instantly forgettable by yourself.
zedneutrino You probably were.
6:20
@MegaNavek lol
Painting on the way to becoming a craft? the what? "doing a poo, do it really well?" the aesthetics of doing a poo? yeah well, I'll leave ya with that one....
Ironic that he talks a bit dismissively about scrapbooks, when many of his vases employ nearly the same type of concept (i.e. taking bits of information and pictures and arranging them "just so" into an overall work) and somewhat resemble pages out of a scrapbook. Albeit, a very subversive scrapbook, but as far as the aesthetic qualities go, they are quite similar in many ways.
itsALLartVideos I get what you mean, but I think what he means is that he finds it baffling how people need to have Magazines and the like to inform them How to scrapbook etc., when it's such a simple, home-spin thing, with simple skills & basic resources. Eg: why do people need a Magazine to tell them how to do it. Plus, he mentioned it after talking about how people can no longer do essential household activities, like changing plugs, so I'm assuming his point is that nowadays everyone has become so divorced from the act of Physically creating, by us all doing stuff digitally, that now even basic things, like scrapbooking, are almost fetishised into being a 'skill', lol,
a little weak on communication, even when he has something novel to say as here
finds it hard to put the words to it
The person who sculpted the original figures that were made in China is an artist also. you can be an artist and mass produce cause bills need to be paid. boohoo if some art community considers anything I make just a craft. boohoo boohoo I don’t need y’alls validation lol 😂
he looks a bit like Griff Rhys Jones
ehhh, neh... he doesnt know really what is he talking about and thats ok
What a crock.