yes he does seem to be going down that "drinking wine and going on ebay and buying sad looking cars or talking to friends about sad cars they own and just happen to be getting rid of that need more then hubnut's workings on them,
Don’t forget 2 or 4 if the Yugo and FA also spent time exposed in fields also to be an entry criteria to qualify to be genuine badge of honor Hubnut fleet (in)ready
Holy crap an Oltcit! Here in Romania there's quite a cult following for them. We have some beautifully restored examples, if you need parts I can send you some links to Romanian fan groups for the cars!
When i was i the army it would be used for display for Very heavy tracked objects to turn into scrap metal, i would have used plastic explosive at least two kg detonation cord a shrike and the words FIRE IN THE HOLD ........
I think this one has to be word dead duck and best just to get a scrapper to pick up and take it away and take the loss. Money is that the Yugo and this one goes to new owners who is more experienced at full strip down restores that these 2 definately need
"I've got two slow burners" Translated:'I've got two piles of scrap metal which are going to sit in the back corner for years and disintegrate further' 😂
So you finally found and bought her! I have here my Oltcit here in the UK, I really should visit you. If anything you need to for the Oltcit just call me.
Also very odly the spare wheel that on all other Google Oltcit pics normally sits in the top right corner of the engine bay where the fire was is also missing !!!!
I fear that you are just going to end up collecting lots of seriously ropey, obscure vehicles that sit taking up space and little else. Would it not be a good idea getting on top of all the issues the current fleet has before importing more disasters?
That's my idea. Also for the Yugo there is a Bosnian Young man who does miracles with Yugos! Relatively cheap and once driving the Yugo Sana could look great. Nowadays Ian is collecting cars that are beyond repair, hopless beyond any hope. sigh.
Pishah! What poverty of dreams for future road trips do you insist Ian suffer under? All my project cars were imagined, happily gamboling along leafy avenues on their way to distant adventures.
There's a fine line between enthusiasm and madness and I think you have crossed it this time , hope the vendor paid you to take it and not the otherwise round , goodluck with it I know your going to need it .
I was wondering when you were going to buy one of those. Even in Romania they are rare. My dad bought one new in 1993, a British racing green Club 12 TRS, with the 1.3 litre engine and 5 speed - top of the range, as most of those came with the 1.1 and a 4 speed gearbox.There was a Special with the 2 cyl. The build quality was abysmal (I remember my dad running out of gas a couple of times as the fuel gauge was defective), but the technology level was higher than the Dacia of the time.
If you ever manage to get that thing running, and into a presentable state, you could perhaps take it to one of those car shows and show off something that many likely have never heard of -- I certainly hadn't until a few minutes ago. The good thing about buying a pre-damaged Romanian car is that Clarkson and Hammond haven't got to it first.
Fabulous car, a kind of "white elephant", even here in France, where it was sold during the 80's. They didn't have a good reputation for reliability then, and even Citroen dealers were reluctant to sell them, trying to hide these cars... Hubnut is definitely one of my favourite TH-cam channel.
It's fusion of the Citroen and the romanian comunist gouvernemant or the French gouvernemant , the first fusion it's the Dacia fusion , the 1100 1300 model's , Reno 8 and 12 .
Ok so engine, box and rack out! Plenty of space to get all the rotten bits ground back to metal and start making up some patches and sections for welding!
Maybe pritt stick.. Failing that, some say he has a shield of argon/Co 2 and that he can fuse metal by just looking at it... All we know, is he's called the mig
Now you have got it you should make the most of it. My recommendation is to totally strip everything out of the bodyshell and then assess what is salvageable (the bulkhead is crucial as are the torsion bar mounts ). Then build a financial cost to either repair or sell the parts and see which is best for your situation - spreadsheets are your friend. All this requires space - something you lack at present. If you cannot be organised about it then just sell bits and scrap the leftovers. Some of the body could be good practice material for welding skills :).
They were sold over here in Holland as the Citroën Axel. They were indeed built in Romania, but were made available through Citroën dealerships over here. They didn't sell too well and I think I only seen one in my life.
I think there's another reason for the rot. Burning PVC (e.g. wire insulation, possibly various covers) releases hydrochloric acid and that's really aggressive. I've seen that a lot on overheated electrical equipment (plugs, sockets, lamp holders).
A true gift your can offer yourself! I do own the French version of the Oltcit you've mentionned : the Citroën Axel. A very oddball car for sure, but a real fun to drive. Its story is very interesting, but the few sources are not very much detailed nor reliable. A French book about the Oltcit and the Citroën Axel is about to be published in early 2021 at the Citrovisie publishing, stay tuned! The Axel is very rare and no longer used as a daily-driver car, but hasn't entered in the collector cars sphere yet. Some Oltcit still drive in Romania, but for how many more years? This car heritage has to be saved, and Romanian lads are proud of these cars they've built. Good luck for restorating yours! Engine + exhaust are from the GS/GSA, parts can still be found, I advise you getting a contact in Romania for all the specific parts, that should really help. Best regards, Axel
These were called Citroën Axel over here in the Netherlands. An uncle of mine bought one brand-new, a TRS some sportversion. I borrowed that car sometimes. It was rather fast. It was hard to get used to the indicators etc. But quality was crap the car lasted about 6 years. Good luck with it!
You just won the olympic games in weird car project choices Ian! I'm from Hungary and I am seriously surprised that someone imported an Oltcit from here to the UK, just to end up joining the Hubnut fleet. Oltcits are sadly nearly extinct here, an elderly neighbor had a white one when I was a kid and I liked it, but since then I met only one in 20 years. I will be happy to see this one immortalized on your channel!
Aha! A Citroën Axel, as we know them in the Netherlands. (edit: I should have watched the video to the end, sorry...) Very rare, and according to someone who owned one, they drive very nicely and pretty swiftly too. I don't dislike the Yugo, but this is far better, imho. Nice find! Tonnes of work, but more worth it then the Yugo.
In Greece, sold as the Citroen Axel, by the official (to this day) importer it sold about 3900 cars in the 4 years it was offered (86-89), with it's big advantage being it's low price, being the second cheapest Citroen, after the 2CV of course. My uncle (dad's cousin) used to have one back in the day
Oh my god it wan’t the Jaguar S Type after all !!! After seeing under that bonnet your use of the term ‘slow-burner’ has never seemed more appropriate 😉
If Ian was nearer to me I would teach him to weld but I am in Norfolk. First lesson would be is Rust does not weld you need some good metal to weld too and that car does not look like it has any left.
I give it 6 months before you trade it on. Basically needs new engine and ancillaries plus wiring loom and extensive rot removal and welding on the front end alone 🤔 quick and easy 😂😂😂😂😂 Turcel was punted because you got bored of seeing it sat there despite having every part needed. I despair
I think you should restore the Oltcit to barn find condition, like you see at those motor shows. So theres a half chance of the Job getting finished. It was funny that you pointed out the safety stone, which i'd say was probably the most Hub-Nut of tools to have in a collection, very much resembling someone's attempt at baking bread that's gone horribly wrong. I also thought that when you first mentioned the name of the new beast, that it sounded like an animal; you know those, where it's a cross between two different sub-species: like Ligar.
If there was to be a go fund me to save the Oltcit, I would be more than happy to donate. Very interesting car, I find the styling very awkward but in a good way. Maybe buy another in Romania and drive it back home again..... On another note, I feel the Yugo should be called Hugo.
He needs to learn to weld, he did mention it in the video but playing around with old cars it’s a must. I run old cars and am so glad I learnt to weld.
@@Menditman2014 absolutely. Dave and I both went to night classes 9 years ago and we have a decent MIG setup. Absolutely essential if we want to keep some of our 14 vehicles on the road
There are several ways to support the channel. It's all appreciated. I'm not likely to do a separate gofundme for this. My hope is that the channel income as it stands will help me save awful motor vehicles.
@@donnageorge-henderson5419 I have 6 newest being an 05 defender 110, I taught myself to mig weld on my old transit mk5 camper, I still have it and have just had to attack it again with the welder😫 still a few bits to do but weather is letting me down. I enjoy the welding in till I get burnt 😢 but I’ve learnt to wear better clothing which has reduced burns no end.
I disagree, it has an aircooled boxer4! It's way cooler then anything Peugeot made. (104, 205). Just like the LNA which is cooler then the 104ZS/ZL and Talbot Samba.
While I must confess I can't see the attraction with the Yugo, this is a far more interesting proposition, such a shame the sills are gone and other holes, as the wings for example are in apparently good nick. The interior is good too and I love the bonkers Citroen dash.
It's different, I'll give you that. And I wasn't surprised when you said it was rotten. These things had a terrible reputation for rust, and some say they even began to rust before they'd managed to finish building the damn things.
A better idea would be to spend a bit more an get a good mig welder. Welding is hard enough without fighting the process due to poor equipment. Personally I bought Clarke 135TE, a reel of thicker wire (it's easier to weld 0.8) and a 0.8 tip, a big bottle of hobby weld gas and a proper regulator, and an automatic helmet. It cost about £500 but it's all really easy to use.
I spent 150€ on a gas bottle with regulator, 40€ on a 5kg reel of wire, and 350€ on a Sealy Supermig 150, and another 40€ on a proper automatic welding helmet. I got welding sheet metal straight away, welding up my dad's mk1 Trafic. Haven't had any problems with anything. Lots of projects await! Like everyone else here is saying, save up a bit longer, and get a bit more, 500-600€ seems to be the sweet spot for starting up.
@@mr.slaphappy3794 Hi I bought a sealey supermig 150 to start with, I just couldn’t get on with it, so I bought a refurbed cebora which I get on with great.
Everything is restorable even if parts have to be made, knowing a competent local precision engineering company is a godsend. Night school a good place to be taught welding and one has the paperwork at the end if one passes which makes the hiring of equipment a lot easier when the hire shop knows one is competent.
My thought process. Viewed Thumbnail - what have you bought, Unloading - actually looks quite solid, Opened the bonnet, What have you bought... Love HubNut! Good luck Ian!
When I saw your first reactions and the suggestion that it was 'parts only' I was rather disappointed, so very glad you've changed your mind! I have never heard of such a car, which makes it an excellent reason to own one! I look forward to seeing you at least starting the Sana, not sure when to expect a start on this one though!
even in Romania nowadays they are hard to see running on the roads only parked and nonruning. the Olt from Oltcit is a river and the plant in Craiova made Daewoo Cielo Espero Nubira Tico Matiz after the Oltcit and now they are making Ford BMax
Ohh yeah , first car's that made at Craiova are was the Olcit Club before the 90's , in 95' are come Daewoo and buy the factory and made Daewoo model's along to 2007 when are come Ford
Wow. I've always loved the Citroen Visa shape. Very under rated in my opinion. You certainly have got a couple of awesome oddities. I really hope you get them all sorted. As a PS...... it appears you are cold free now too. Even more cause for a Thumbs Up. :) Thanks for another great video on this otherwise cold and wet day :)
You certainly might have the beginnings of an interesting car museum, for sure. Maybe all the wonderful NZ ones are giving you ideas? If so, I'd start collecting old typewriters too - it seemed to be an integral part of the car museums there, for some slightly surreal reason I didn't understand.
I would encourage you to learn to weld. I have done that and, while there has been some pretty lousy welding early on, I have gotten better. It is incredibly useful to know how to do that. One of my hobbies is vintage electronics and I have had to put a hold on new projects because I have too many incomplete projects sitting around. I have made a commitment to myself to finish those existing projects before I take on any others. It is forcing me to not just go from one new project to another while finishing none of them. It is definitely fun to dive into a new project. Less fun to tackle a project that maybe requires more effort or has become a bit more challenging. I am discovering the satisfaction of finishing a project which offsets the challenges involved in finishing them. Good luck on all your projects. Looking forward to seeing you as you get into these cars and their projects.
@@davethornewell7417 3 weeks. With the potential for further 2 or 3 week lockdowns after New Year's, until the vaccine has been in everybody for at least a few months. The rollout of the vaccine will be slow at first, and to facilitate faster production (1 year instead of 5 years) they've reduced their efficacy requirements - meaning it's only 50% likely to protect you, instead of 75-80% as most of these vaccines are. That's a similar rate of protection as wearing a mask (50-75%), so people will be expected to do both until we can be sure it's eradicated or permanently controlled from spiking. Combining both would bring things to about 85-90% protection. (Which is defined as %age reduction in infections. 90% less infections = 90% protection.) TLDR until everybody has a vaccine (govt has said only the elderly and vulnerable will receive it first), there's always the potential of having to lock down for 3 weeks whenever there's a new spike. And we might also have to do that for a time after the vaccine as well, until they can confirm the vaccine's indeed made a difference.
@@Menditman2014 indeed. A lot of my family are extremely vulnerable and shielding, so I'm rather angry that lockdown was reduced prematurely. We didn't need to be in this mess. We didn't have to have a second spike. But, unfortunately, that's the world we're in now. 😰
Indeed it was sold here in The Netherlands as the Citroën Axel, in fact one of the few people who bought one new was my mom, in 1986, mainly because it was the third cheapest car on the market. Only the Lada 2105 and Skoda 105 were cheaper, but since I was the automotive authority in the house (I was 12...) I was able to talk her out of getting one of those. So she bought a dishwasher white Axel 11, the basic version with the small engine (the more ´luxurious´ one with slightly bigger engine and 5-speed gearbox was called Axel 12 TRS). It turned out to be a very pleasant car! It was very comfortable (although a bit loud) and reliable too, we never had any serious issues with it. Anyway, long story, congratulations with yours! Hope you can get it running!
Now that is a rare car. I read in Wikipedia that the South Korean Daewoo company entered into a joint venture with Oltcit and built the same car under the name Rodae until 1996. Speaking of burning cars, there was another Romanian car, the Lastun, that had a reputation for catching fire.
Let's face it, Hub Nut is a long term commitment now. The Sana and the Oltcit are two individuals who will sit in the background as a reminder. Loving the new addition to the story. 👍
I love this! Never even heard of an Oltcit before, and I'm someone with a bit of an obsession with Eastern Bloc cars. Super quirky and character-full for sure, it definitely deserves bringing back from the dead and I hope you manage it as I'd love to see it action and maybe even out on the roads some day! Good luck! 👍
Parts car today, long term minter tomorrow. It's always good to sleep on and contemplate the severity of a project and get a clearer picture for the future. Looks like your Romanian friends of the Oltcit club might be able to give a few tips. I love this channel because of the diversity of vehicle's hubnut acquires.
Get the Myrtle the Matiz back into action, help Mrs HubNut get her drivers license and your space problem in the unit has been sorted until another project comes along ;-)
If nothing else, with the (hopefully) short Welsh lockdown to contend with and winter approaching, I'd be tempted to fit a large sheet of transparent acrylic sheet across the vent bars in the vicinity of the Oltcit and Sana. You won't lose any light coming in but it'll keep the rain and wind out. You'll lose a bit of ventilation but I don't think that'll be too much of an issue.
Hy ! if you need parts for that just ask, we in Romania have a strong group that restore and take care of Oltcits ! Even brand new parts like some body panels.
@@richardhemingway6084 I don't think any of the body panels from the Oltcit match with the Visa, maybe the metal sideskirts ( i know someone that has about 7 of new factory ones ) and the plastic bumbers. Not even the doors or the fenders fit due to the mirror placement and the air line, the hump on the pieces. Sorry!
I remember the old HubNut back when your garage was small and cluttered and there was barely space to work on a car and the rest of the fleet had to sleep outside in inclement weather. Now the garage is big, moderately "unmessy", the fleet mostly sleeps in but there is no space to work on the projects. But then again, "things making sense" has never been the reason why I was attracted to HubNut , so to each his own.
I once put a deposit down on a rusted out AMC metropolitan I found in a Mississippi car graveyard that I intended to pick up and restore. As far as I know it’s still there - point being, just getting a new project to it’s new home is a commendable achievement...! Worry about the particulars later! (Weld everything, replace everything...) Lots of GSA engines on eBay so there is hope?
The interior shows the potential of the car. It would be great if you could find a rear ended donor car to rebuild this one with. Looks like the trickiest part will be the welding around the bonnet bracket area. Strip the engine bay, swap the wiring loom, replace engine, box and ancillaries et voila! Maybe more than a weekends work though😀
Fantastic! I had a Visa GTi which was nuts!...205 1.6 GTi engine in a gocart! The metal on the panels was so thin though. Good luck matey and thanks for all the wonderful content this year. Love to Ms Hubnut and the kids. xx
I felt so sorry for this car every time I saw it in the field and what happened to it is tragic really. If nothing else you've got it undercover now so that'll improve its chances.
I expect that was the horse drawn version they have in some of the far Eastern European countries ;) I feel bad that I have sent better than that to the scrappers now :( Good luck with it !
Superb. Between this and the Sana you have nailed the obscure 80s-90s niche. I seem to recall there’s surprisingly little in common between Oltcit and Visa/104 and GS for parts
Ian: So let's look at the positives here: 1. I own an Oltcit! 2. ............er............ It's a 'slow-burner', lol. I'm looking forward to learning all about the origins though, and that dash is great - can you not just buy an AX or something, and transpose it?
Holy smoke, I called it in the teaser! I actually saw one in the metal on a forecourt here in Costa Rica in the mid-late 90s. It was badged as a Citroen Oltcit Axel, and may have been the only unit in the country at that time.
In Belgium and the Netherlands it was a popular car. The name here is Citroën visa. It was a car that was very reliable and affordable for the working class. If you really want to own one that is actually in a good state. I recommend that you come too Belgium. Here you don't see them very often, but they are not rare and sadly not popular. Also a car that is something for Ian is a Citroën Bx. A car with a appearance that you hate or love it. It is a really comfortable car and it is beautiful in his own way.
@@HubNut the cars are very familiar indeed. I grow up with those cars and I barely see the difference. But you are right, I was a little bit confused about the appearance. I'm also a big Citroën fan and I love the Citroën DS. I hope you can do a episode with that car. My point is that in my opinion the Oltcit is beyond repair and there are more reliable cars that are similar. That is only my opinion and I can understand that you are attached to the Oltcit. Car passion is not always logical. What you want to do it, do it. I have a Peugeot Partner with 313000 km and I still use it for work. It is not a cheap car in maintenance but I wanna keep it.
Love to see a Wartburg again - there were some on the roads here in the 70s and these big blocky two-strokers looked very unusual, but pretty solid. In my student petrol-pumping days I'd fill them up with four-star petrol and then add a can of 20/50 oil into the fuel tank. As Wiki notes: 'Wartburgs were a three-cylinder two-stroke engine with only seven major moving parts (three pistons, three connecting rods and one crankshaft).'
I suppose you've answered the question of how can Ian out do the Yugo Sana without buying a cube of scrap metal? Acquire a fire damaged Romanian Citroen. This is why I keep coming back to this channel.
I do worry about you sometimes Ian.
😆😆 so do I
yes he does seem to be going down that "drinking wine and going on ebay and buying sad looking cars or talking to friends about sad cars they own and just happen to be getting rid of that need more then hubnut's workings on them,
Andy i think all of us do ......:)
yes - he must have ambitions on owning the biggest scrap yard in Wales
🤦♂️
Oltcit = very HubNut.
Rusty Oltcit = mega HubNut.
Rusty Oltcit that's been on fire = peak HubNut
Plot twist, it's so rusty the HubNuts aren't there anymore
Safety Stone = Ultimate Hub Nut
"Rusty Oltcit that's been on fire = peak HubNut". I think this comment wins the Internet for today.
Don’t forget 2 or 4 if the Yugo and FA also spent time exposed in fields also to be an entry criteria to qualify to be genuine badge of honor Hubnut fleet (in)ready
I would think we are on the threshold of _hubnut-ception_ here...
Have you ever thought of adding Rose tinted glasses to the Hubnut merchandise, so we can all make these incredible purchases lol
Brilliant idea.😁.
Please do this. I need someone to blame.
Or maybe dare I lsuggest a white stick for the real optimist
Well in a Rose and where do we get the tinted glasses or this part of Ians merch strategy love your comment
@Rob Yorkshire - I'm thinking the store is gonna have to get a shipment of
_Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses_
for this one.
Holy crap an Oltcit! Here in Romania there's quite a cult following for them. We have some beautifully restored examples, if you need parts I can send you some links to Romanian fan groups for the cars!
Thank you!
He will need parts.
@Florence Upton Your other half should buy you a Toyota.
Trust me - he;s gonna need parts. Like... another Oltcit :-)
Send body. And engine.
"So, what's it going to need?!"
More matches.
Oh boy, that's cruel. Funny, but cruel.
and 5 litres of paraffin.
“Very close to complete catastrophe”. Hmm, I would definitely agree more matches and paraffin are needed for this one.
You win!
"What does it need?"
Scrapping.
When i was i the army it would be used for display for Very heavy tracked objects to turn into scrap metal, i would have used plastic explosive at least two kg detonation cord a shrike and the words FIRE IN THE HOLD ........
I think this one has to be word dead duck and best just to get a scrapper to pick up and take it away and take the loss. Money is that the Yugo and this one goes to new owners who is more experienced at full strip down restores that these 2 definately need
Its in bad shape but hopefully its parts and some body parts can save others from meeting the same Faith as this one.
Negatives
- Rot
- Fire damage
- More rot
- Engine doesn't run or turn
Positives
- I now own an Oltcit!
Oh Ian.
And you can drop the GSA engine straight in !
I think I'd get lynched if I nicked the GSA's engine...
@@HubNut by whom? Just borrow it for the winter and give GSA a rest in a nice carcoon
QED
Asteroid hits planet and wipes out 99% of everything. Ian: "Phew. That was very close to complete catastrophe!" Glass half full kind of a guy.
Who in their right mind would buy this
"I've got two slow burners"
Translated:'I've got two piles of scrap metal which are going to sit in the back corner for years and disintegrate further' 😂
So you finally found and bought her! I have here my Oltcit here in the UK, I really should visit you. If anything you need to for the Oltcit just call me.
Thank you! Could you please email ian@hubnut.org ?
It appears plans are afoot!
a hearse to take its charred rusty burnt carcass away
Olcit magyar-bull , szuper gratulalok
You're making me feel better about the stuff I buy.
All that’s missing is crime scene tape.
Also very odly the spare wheel that on all other Google Oltcit pics normally sits in the top right corner of the engine bay where the fire was is also missing !!!!
To hold it together?
And maybe a Xanax.
My wife is originally from Romania, and has very fond memories of her white Oltcit which she drove in the 90’s. Great video, thanks Ian.
I fear that you are just going to end up collecting lots of seriously ropey, obscure vehicles that sit taking up space and little else. Would it not be a good idea getting on top of all the issues the current fleet has before importing more disasters?
But that wouldn't be very Hubnut 😀
Obviously it's all a ploy for the TH-cam money! :p
That's my idea. Also for the Yugo there is a Bosnian Young man who does miracles with Yugos! Relatively cheap and once driving the Yugo Sana could look great. Nowadays Ian is collecting cars that are beyond repair, hopless beyond any hope. sigh.
Pishah! What poverty of dreams for future road trips do you insist Ian suffer under? All my project cars were imagined, happily gamboling along leafy avenues on their way to distant adventures.
There's a fine line between enthusiasm and madness and I think you have crossed it this time , hope the vendor paid you to take it and not the otherwise round , goodluck with it I know your going to need it .
"it's had a small fire - what does it need?" a large fire springs to mind
I was wondering when you were going to buy one of those. Even in Romania they are rare. My dad bought one new in 1993, a British racing green Club 12 TRS, with the 1.3 litre engine and 5 speed - top of the range, as most of those came with the 1.1 and a 4 speed gearbox.There was a Special with the 2 cyl. The build quality was abysmal (I remember my dad running out of gas a couple of times as the fuel gauge was defective), but the technology level was higher than the Dacia of the time.
"It's had a small fire..." Always a good start!
"Slow burners" is apt for one of them!
@@martinwatson9639 I think a big fire might have been better.
If you ever manage to get that thing running, and into a presentable state, you could perhaps take it to one of those car shows and show off something that many likely have never heard of -- I certainly hadn't until a few minutes ago. The good thing about buying a pre-damaged Romanian car is that Clarkson and Hammond haven't got to it first.
Fabulous car, a kind of "white elephant", even here in France, where it was sold during the 80's. They didn't have a good reputation for reliability then, and even Citroen dealers were reluctant to sell them, trying to hide these cars... Hubnut is definitely one of my favourite TH-cam channel.
A bit like Dacias at Renault dealers now. They give you funny looks if you head over to the Dacia corner of the showroom!
Your purchases are getting more obscure by the day - I've never even heard of these...
He never purchased it :0)
@@tonyseath2278 Acquisitions, then!
@@linseyyoung1772 Ian should put a sight up saying "whatever you've got I'll take it" !!😆
@@ASH.......................1976 I'm not sure thats true - a solid modern car would be rejected out of hand!
@@linseyyoung1772 true !😆
"Romanian built and Citroen designed". If any statement says 'quality', it's this ^^^^
@Rob Yorkshire Renaults are built in Turkey. Not that hard to do a better job than a bunch of anatolian peasants
It's fusion of the Citroen and the romanian comunist gouvernemant or the French gouvernemant , the first fusion it's the Dacia fusion , the 1100 1300 model's , Reno 8 and 12 .
Ok so engine, box and rack out! Plenty of space to get all the rotten bits ground back to metal and start making up some patches and sections for welding!
Worst case, make the patches, clean up surrounding area and get someone else to do the actual metal gluing
@@davejc1 Metal gluing, will hot glue do?
This.
Maybe pritt stick.. Failing that, some say he has a shield of argon/Co 2 and that he can fuse metal by just looking at it... All we know, is he's called the mig
@@davejc1 Very good.
Now you have got it you should make the most of it. My recommendation is to totally strip everything out of the bodyshell and then assess what is salvageable (the bulkhead is crucial as are the torsion bar mounts ). Then build a financial cost to either repair or sell the parts and see which is best for your situation - spreadsheets are your friend. All this requires space - something you lack at present. If you cannot be organised about it then just sell bits and scrap the leftovers. Some of the body could be good practice material for welding skills :).
They were sold over here in Holland as the Citroën Axel. They were indeed built in Romania, but were made available through Citroën dealerships over here. They didn't sell too well and I think I only seen one in my life.
That Oltcit makes the Sana look very salvageable...but I take my hat off to you.
Bit cruel calling the Oltcit a slow burner. Lol.
I think the fact it wasn't a slow burner is the issue here...
i do not think it would even catch fire..
@@derekhallows9479 Oxidation is a slow reaction
One very simple and apt word... "WHY!"?
I think there's another reason for the rot. Burning PVC (e.g. wire insulation, possibly various covers) releases hydrochloric acid and that's really aggressive. I've seen that a lot on overheated electrical equipment (plugs, sockets, lamp holders).
A true gift your can offer yourself! I do own the French version of the Oltcit you've mentionned : the Citroën Axel. A very oddball car for sure, but a real fun to drive. Its story is very interesting, but the few sources are not very much detailed nor reliable. A French book about the Oltcit and the Citroën Axel is about to be published in early 2021 at the Citrovisie publishing, stay tuned! The Axel is very rare and no longer used as a daily-driver car, but hasn't entered in the collector cars sphere yet. Some Oltcit still drive in Romania, but for how many more years? This car heritage has to be saved, and Romanian lads are proud of these cars they've built. Good luck for restorating yours! Engine + exhaust are from the GS/GSA, parts can still be found, I advise you getting a contact in Romania for all the specific parts, that should really help.
Best regards, Axel
"This is looking a fair bit worse than I thought!" - pure Hubnut
Well my flabber has never been so gasted!
These were called Citroën Axel over here in the Netherlands. An uncle of mine bought one brand-new, a TRS some sportversion. I borrowed that car sometimes. It was rather fast. It was hard to get used to the indicators etc. But quality was crap the car lasted about 6 years. Good luck with it!
'What's it gonna need', you muse?!
That's probably inevitable!
I suspect it might involve a tow truck and a landfill site.....!
@Lester Piglet exactly my thoughts, and a much more comprehensive fire than the first one!
You just won the olympic games in weird car project choices Ian! I'm from Hungary and I am seriously surprised that someone imported an Oltcit from here to the UK, just to end up joining the Hubnut fleet. Oltcits are sadly nearly extinct here, an elderly neighbor had a white one when I was a kid and I liked it, but since then I met only one in 20 years. I will be happy to see this one immortalized on your channel!
What In the name of all that is holy have you done hub nut! It's a rolling shed on wheels
Aha! A Citroën Axel, as we know them in the Netherlands. (edit: I should have watched the video to the end, sorry...) Very rare, and according to someone who owned one, they drive very nicely and pretty swiftly too.
I don't dislike the Yugo, but this is far better, imho. Nice find! Tonnes of work, but more worth it then the Yugo.
Ian: "What's is gonna need?!"
Audience: "Scrapping!"
XD
In Greece, sold as the Citroen Axel, by the official (to this day) importer it sold about 3900 cars in the 4 years it was offered (86-89), with it's big advantage being it's low price, being the second cheapest Citroen, after the 2CV of course.
My uncle (dad's cousin) used to have one back in the day
Oh my god it wan’t the Jaguar S Type after all !!! After seeing under that bonnet your use of the term ‘slow-burner’ has never seemed more appropriate 😉
If Ian was nearer to me I would teach him to weld but I am in Norfolk. First lesson would be is Rust does not weld you need some good metal to weld too and that car does not look like it has any left.
I give it 6 months before you trade it on. Basically needs new engine and ancillaries plus wiring loom and extensive rot removal and welding on the front end alone 🤔 quick and easy 😂😂😂😂😂 Turcel was punted because you got bored of seeing it sat there despite having every part needed. I despair
I think you should restore the Oltcit to barn find condition, like you see at those motor shows. So theres a half chance of the Job getting finished. It was funny that you pointed out the safety stone, which i'd say was probably the most Hub-Nut of tools to have in a collection, very much resembling someone's attempt at baking bread that's gone horribly wrong. I also thought that when you first mentioned the name of the new beast, that it sounded like an animal; you know those, where it's a cross between two different sub-species: like Ligar.
Fascinating. Never heard of an Oltcit. An education. "What's it gonna need?" errrrrr..... everything?
Lucky they didn't call it:Oldclit
@@Pfirtzer No one would find it.
If there was to be a go fund me to save the Oltcit, I would be more than happy to donate. Very interesting car, I find the styling very awkward but in a good way.
Maybe buy another in Romania and drive it back home again.....
On another note, I feel the Yugo should be called Hugo.
That's what we pay subscription for, isn't it??
He needs to learn to weld, he did mention it in the video but playing around with old cars it’s a must. I run old cars and am so glad I learnt to weld.
@@Menditman2014 absolutely. Dave and I both went to night classes 9 years ago and we have a decent MIG setup. Absolutely essential if we want to keep some of our 14 vehicles on the road
There are several ways to support the channel. It's all appreciated. I'm not likely to do a separate gofundme for this. My hope is that the channel income as it stands will help me save awful motor vehicles.
@@donnageorge-henderson5419 I have 6 newest being an 05 defender 110, I taught myself to mig weld on my old transit mk5 camper, I still have it and have just had to attack it again with the welder😫 still a few bits to do but weather is letting me down. I enjoy the welding in till I get burnt 😢 but I’ve learnt to wear better clothing which has reduced burns no end.
Sorry, I'm with Peugeot on this. Anything that looks remotely like a Visa can go the way of the dodo.
I liked it better than a Visa. It's roomier and sturdier. Didn't drive a Visa on public roads but the Oltcit/Axel is quite nice to drive.
I disagree, it has an aircooled boxer4! It's way cooler then anything Peugeot made. (104, 205).
Just like the LNA which is cooler then the 104ZS/ZL and Talbot Samba.
@David Webb yeah keep debating over taste 👍
Amazed to see a relatively modern car with a starter handle
While I must confess I can't see the attraction with the Yugo, this is a far more interesting proposition, such a shame the sills are gone and other holes, as the wings for example are in apparently good nick. The interior is good too and I love the bonkers Citroen dash.
It's different, I'll give you that. And I wasn't surprised when you said it was rotten. These things had a terrible reputation for rust, and some say they even began to rust before they'd managed to finish building the damn things.
get your self a cheap mig welder and enjoy yourself have hours and hours of fun lying underneath getting spattered with hot steel
A better idea would be to spend a bit more an get a good mig welder. Welding is hard enough without fighting the process due to poor equipment. Personally I bought Clarke 135TE, a reel of thicker wire (it's easier to weld 0.8) and a 0.8 tip, a big bottle of hobby weld gas and a proper regulator, and an automatic helmet. It cost about £500 but it's all really easy to use.
@@gepwxaqdfsidsesg1548 Yep Imo you’ve got to spend at least £500 on a welding set up👍
I spent 150€ on a gas bottle with regulator, 40€ on a 5kg reel of wire, and 350€ on a Sealy Supermig 150, and another 40€ on a proper automatic welding helmet. I got welding sheet metal straight away, welding up my dad's mk1 Trafic. Haven't had any problems with anything. Lots of projects await!
Like everyone else here is saying, save up a bit longer, and get a bit more, 500-600€ seems to be the sweet spot for starting up.
@@mr.slaphappy3794 Hi I bought a sealey supermig 150 to start with, I just couldn’t get on with it, so I bought a refurbed cebora which I get on with great.
Everything is restorable even if parts have to be made, knowing a competent local precision engineering company is a godsend. Night school a good place to be taught welding and one has the paperwork at the end if one passes which makes the hiring of equipment a lot easier when the hire shop knows one is competent.
I didn't realise you was opening up your own scrap yard this one really is beyond economic repair.
My thought process. Viewed Thumbnail - what have you bought, Unloading - actually looks quite solid, Opened the bonnet, What have you bought... Love HubNut! Good luck Ian!
I've got an old rusty bucket in my back garden, do you want to buy it? 😂
Has it got a leaky engine?
@@andrewlaw no, but its had a fire in it.
I’ve got a rusty wheelbarrow to get rid of, I’ll only charge delivery 🤓
When I saw your first reactions and the suggestion that it was 'parts only' I was rather disappointed, so very glad you've changed your mind! I have never heard of such a car, which makes it an excellent reason to own one! I look forward to seeing you at least starting the Sana, not sure when to expect a start on this one though!
2020 is saved! We have reached peak HubNut. I love this. 👍
even in Romania nowadays they are hard to see running on the roads only parked and nonruning. the Olt from Oltcit is a river and the plant in Craiova made Daewoo Cielo Espero Nubira Tico Matiz after the Oltcit and now they are making Ford BMax
Ohh yeah , first car's that made at Craiova are was the Olcit Club before the 90's , in 95' are come Daewoo and buy the factory and made Daewoo model's along to 2007 when are come Ford
Sometimes it's alright to back away from something instead of continuing where others gave up...
Really a very interesting car. In some European countries, for example Belgium, it was sold under the name of Citroën Axel.
Wow.
I've always loved the Citroen Visa shape.
Very under rated in my opinion.
You certainly have got a couple of awesome oddities.
I really hope you get them all sorted.
As a PS...... it appears you are cold free now too. Even more cause for a Thumbs Up. :)
Thanks for another great video on this otherwise cold and wet day
:)
yes! finally something underrated on yt!
That opening shot is literally the field of dreams!
You certainly might have the beginnings of an interesting car museum, for sure. Maybe all the wonderful NZ ones are giving you ideas? If so, I'd start collecting old typewriters too - it seemed to be an integral part of the car museums there, for some slightly surreal reason I didn't understand.
How about Peugeot coffee grinders and Peugeot salt/pepper grinders?
Those actually exist!
I would encourage you to learn to weld. I have done that and, while there has been some pretty lousy welding early on, I have gotten better. It is incredibly useful to know how to do that. One of my hobbies is vintage electronics and I have had to put a hold on new projects because I have too many incomplete projects sitting around. I have made a commitment to myself to finish those existing projects before I take on any others. It is forcing me to not just go from one new project to another while finishing none of them. It is definitely fun to dive into a new project. Less fun to tackle a project that maybe requires more effort or has become a bit more challenging. I am discovering the satisfaction of finishing a project which offsets the challenges involved in finishing them. Good luck on all your projects. Looking forward to seeing you as you get into these cars and their projects.
Sound advice, which I'm sure Ian will ignore!
It's content like this which keeps me watching HubNut..
That'll keep you busy during the Welsh lockdown.
Michael your everywhere
The Welsh lockdown won't be that long will it?
@@davethornewell7417 3 weeks. With the potential for further 2 or 3 week lockdowns after New Year's, until the vaccine has been in everybody for at least a few months. The rollout of the vaccine will be slow at first, and to facilitate faster production (1 year instead of 5 years) they've reduced their efficacy requirements - meaning it's only 50% likely to protect you, instead of 75-80% as most of these vaccines are. That's a similar rate of protection as wearing a mask (50-75%), so people will be expected to do both until we can be sure it's eradicated or permanently controlled from spiking. Combining both would bring things to about 85-90% protection. (Which is defined as %age reduction in infections. 90% less infections = 90% protection.)
TLDR until everybody has a vaccine (govt has said only the elderly and vulnerable will receive it first), there's always the potential of having to lock down for 3 weeks whenever there's a new spike. And we might also have to do that for a time after the vaccine as well, until they can confirm the vaccine's indeed made a difference.
@@kaitlyn__L Well that’s cheered me up no end☹️ life’s all gone a bit rubbish hasn’t it.
@@Menditman2014 indeed. A lot of my family are extremely vulnerable and shielding, so I'm rather angry that lockdown was reduced prematurely. We didn't need to be in this mess. We didn't have to have a second spike. But, unfortunately, that's the world we're in now. 😰
Indeed it was sold here in The Netherlands as the Citroën Axel, in fact one of the few people who bought one new was my mom, in 1986, mainly because it was the third cheapest car on the market. Only the Lada 2105 and Skoda 105 were cheaper, but since I was the automotive authority in the house (I was 12...) I was able to talk her out of getting one of those. So she bought a dishwasher white Axel 11, the basic version with the small engine (the more ´luxurious´ one with slightly bigger engine and 5-speed gearbox was called Axel 12 TRS). It turned out to be a very pleasant car! It was very comfortable (although a bit loud) and reliable too, we never had any serious issues with it. Anyway, long story, congratulations with yours! Hope you can get it running!
As Stan Laurel would say...
Here's another nice mess you've gotten me into
Well I couldn’t help it
It was Ollie Hardy that said that .... ;-)
@@EmilysDadd that’s what I was gonna say but figured he wrote it wrong and would realise when I quoted Stan 😂
This is why I love your videos. Crank starting?! So much more interesting than concours Ferraris. Love it!!
An interesting choice, never heard of them, would be nice to see it back on the road 👍
Now that is a rare car. I read in Wikipedia that the South Korean Daewoo company entered into a joint venture with Oltcit and built the same car under the name Rodae until 1996. Speaking of burning cars, there was another Romanian car, the Lastun, that had a reputation for catching fire.
I fear you may need help! Maybe someone should stage an intervention?
Let's face it, Hub Nut is a long term commitment now. The Sana and the Oltcit are two individuals who will sit in the background as a reminder. Loving the new addition to the story. 👍
lol...again, anything to avoid having to work on the Yugo.
I love this! Never even heard of an Oltcit before, and I'm someone with a bit of an obsession with Eastern Bloc cars.
Super quirky and character-full for sure, it definitely deserves bringing back from the dead and I hope you manage it as I'd love to see it action and maybe even out on the roads some day! Good luck! 👍
Mustie will get that running no problem lol
Bet the fuel in it is "morning piss yellow". 😂
or even DIY Gang it restored a burned Dodge challenger hellcat
I suspect this car is more a case for Mike Fn Garage, actually.
@@Scodiddly Derek from Vice Grip Garage would have a go. Just change the lightning tubes and sparkolators.
Parts car today, long term minter tomorrow. It's always good to sleep on and contemplate the severity of a project and get a clearer picture for the future. Looks like your Romanian friends of the Oltcit club might be able to give a few tips. I love this channel because of the diversity of vehicle's hubnut acquires.
Get the Myrtle the Matiz back into action, help Mrs HubNut get her drivers license and your space problem in the unit has been sorted until another project comes along ;-)
If nothing else, with the (hopefully) short Welsh lockdown to contend with and winter approaching, I'd be tempted to fit a large sheet of transparent acrylic sheet across the vent bars in the vicinity of the Oltcit and Sana. You won't lose any light coming in but it'll keep the rain and wind out. You'll lose a bit of ventilation but I don't think that'll be too much of an issue.
Hy ! if you need parts for that just ask, we in Romania have a strong group that restore and take care of Oltcits ! Even brand new parts like some body panels.
Thank you. Some Oltcit fans have already been in touch. Glad to hear body panels are available!
@@HubNut i even have a good donor car body that i do not use no more. From the looks of your Oltcit you will need one badly !
Are any of the panels common to the Visa?
@@richardhemingway6084 I don't think any of the body panels from the Oltcit match with the Visa, maybe the metal sideskirts ( i know someone that has about 7 of new factory ones ) and the plastic bumbers. Not even the doors or the fenders fit due to the mirror placement and the air line, the hump on the pieces. Sorry!
@@richardhemingway6084 Unlikely, as the Visa has 5 doors
Yes.... you can see why Peugeot said no. Apart from the torsion bar suspension perhaps, the visa was much better.
You need to finish a project first. It's tiring seeing you push junk around the garage.
I remember the old HubNut back when your garage was small and cluttered and there was barely space to work on a car and the rest of the fleet had to sleep outside in inclement weather. Now the garage is big, moderately "unmessy", the fleet mostly sleeps in but there is no space to work on the projects. But then again, "things making sense" has never been the reason why I was attracted to HubNut , so to each his own.
Isn't it actually pronounced Old 💩💩 ??
@Tone.
I just died 😅
For those who love Sean
Connery: th-cam.com/video/ImaYMoTi2g8/w-d-xo.html
I once put a deposit down on a rusted out AMC metropolitan I found in a Mississippi car graveyard that I intended to pick up and restore. As far as I know it’s still there - point being, just getting a new project to it’s new home is a commendable achievement...! Worry about the particulars later! (Weld everything, replace everything...) Lots of GSA engines on eBay so there is hope?
Seen less rust on a Lancia Delta :D
Nearly as bad as a Gamma or Beta i would say😁
The interior shows the potential of the car. It would be great if you could find a rear ended donor car to rebuild this one with.
Looks like the trickiest part will be the welding around the bonnet bracket area. Strip the engine bay, swap the wiring loom, replace engine, box and ancillaries et voila!
Maybe more than a weekends work though😀
Romanian here: Good luck with that!
Fantastic! I had a Visa GTi which was nuts!...205 1.6 GTi engine in a gocart! The metal on the panels was so thin though. Good luck matey and thanks for all the wonderful content this year. Love to Ms Hubnut and the kids. xx
You like Citroens so much, you even buy the fake ones.
Now with extra Communism!
@@HubNut Comrade you may have it in any colour so long as it’s red.
I felt so sorry for this car every time I saw it in the field and what happened to it is tragic really. If nothing else you've got it undercover now so that'll improve its chances.
I expect that was the horse drawn version they have in some of the far Eastern European countries ;)
I feel bad that I have sent better than that to the scrappers now :(
Good luck with it !
Superb. Between this and the Sana you have nailed the obscure 80s-90s niche. I seem to recall there’s surprisingly little in common between Oltcit and Visa/104 and GS for parts
Indeed. The 652cc engine was identical, but that's about it - most Oltcits had the GSA engine.
Ian: So let's look at the positives here:
1. I own an Oltcit!
2. ............er............
It's a 'slow-burner', lol.
I'm looking forward to learning all about the origins though, and that dash is great - can you not just buy an AX or something, and transpose it?
Holy smoke, I called it in the teaser! I actually saw one in the metal on a forecourt here in Costa Rica in the mid-late 90s. It was badged as a Citroen Oltcit Axel, and may have been the only unit in the country at that time.
Never change Mr Nut! Latest victim 😂
Man, you aren't afraid of anything. That's what I like about your channel...
I predict a future car being sold for scrap for parts stripping.
Ian, I have just four words for you -----YOU CAN FIX IT-----we all know you can, thanks for sharing.
Suspect this would have been scrapped if you hadn't taken it. Bravo Ian! HubNut - sanctuary for obscure cars down on their luck.
In Belgium and the Netherlands it was a popular car. The name here is Citroën visa. It was a car that was very reliable and affordable for the working class. If you really want to own one that is actually in a good state. I recommend that you come too Belgium. Here you don't see them very often, but they are not rare and sadly not popular. Also a car that is something for Ian is a Citroën Bx. A car with a appearance that you hate or love it. It is a really comfortable car and it is beautiful in his own way.
This is not a Visa. It looks familiar but there are no parts shared between the two, and the mechanical package is very different.
@@HubNut the cars are very familiar indeed. I grow up with those cars and I barely see the difference. But you are right, I was a little bit confused about the appearance. I'm also a big Citroën fan and I love the Citroën DS. I hope you can do a episode with that car. My point is that in my opinion the Oltcit is beyond repair and there are more reliable cars that are similar. That is only my opinion and I can understand that you are attached to the Oltcit. Car passion is not always logical. What you want to do it, do it. I have a Peugeot Partner with 313000 km and I still use it for work. It is not a cheap car in maintenance but I wanna keep it.
It's the Visa's brother , the romanian Axel or Visa , Olcit Club
HubNut turning into an Eastern European? First a Yugo, now an Oltcit! What's next, a Skoda or a Wartburg? Keep it up!
Love to see a Wartburg again - there were some on the roads here in the 70s and these big blocky two-strokers looked very unusual, but pretty solid. In my student petrol-pumping days I'd fill them up with four-star petrol and then add a can of 20/50 oil into the fuel tank. As Wiki notes: 'Wartburgs were a three-cylinder two-stroke engine with only seven major moving parts (three pistons, three connecting rods and one crankshaft).'
An FSO Polonez Caro with a K engine. The best of both worlds...
A Trabant! Go for a Trabant, I dare him, I double dare him.
I suppose you've answered the question of how can Ian out do the Yugo Sana without buying a cube of scrap metal? Acquire a fire damaged Romanian Citroen. This is why I keep coming back to this channel.