I use the Hippo to farm titled players in blitz tournaments on Lichess. They see my low rating and always berserk (cut their clock in half for extra points on a win) and I can just flag them.
@@Axame1 Genius until you realize that you gain 100 points of rating during that tournament like this, just to be slapped down to the ground once you go regular rated and everyone is better than you. Also miss out on testing your openings on good players. But it's fun getting offered draws from 2200s while they're sitting at ten seconds to your minute knowing they're gonna flag against a 1600.
The number of cheaters in this rating range is incredible. It's been a few weeks since I reached 2330/50 on the site for the first time, and it's crazy how many cheaters are there. It was not the same when I was rated 2250. Some of them have 200w 10l on their profiles while they are 750 in bullet - but it takes lots of time for the mods to ban them, unfortunately. Maybe they stopped to catch them until the problems with the servers stop. Hoping this will not prevent you to do more speedruns at this elo and beyond!
I guess it's the upper limit of the low IQ cheaters who don't know when human intervention is needed. The drag factor of their feeblemindedness is strong.
Indeed. Also, they're becoming smarter by not cheating every game, or making "blunders" going from +7 to +2.5. After that, ban reports are rejected while it should be blooming obvious by the sheer number of games they're doing it... Both chesscom and lichess by the way, and indeed it becomes worse at the 2300-level...
Its not the servers sadly. Because the creators of the cheating scripts are getting more clever about how they use depth-varience algorithms and randomizing the playspeed of the program, its getting harder and harder to spot robotic players. In the last two decades, basically, the programs would just play around 10-depth, sometimes with a few blunders or mistakes thrown in randomly, and played about as fast as it could which was always 3-5 seconds due to limitations of the computer. These scripts were just way easier to spot since you could parse high winrate players for "best move" count and examine that section of games, and most of the time those were cheaters, since the script would play so few "good" or "average" moves. And on manual review you could clearly see the player always played at basically the exact same speed. But nowadays, the cheaters are using 50Gb of RAM with 6 processors in their computer for their chess engine that can go 20-Depth in seconds, with time and processing power left over to make the game look "more natural" by picking a "playspeed average" it wants for the next 5-10 moves and just distributing its time advantage across those moves, instead of just having a consistant playspeed. That makes it hard to spot them for their speed, but much worse, they don't do the old "Best moves all the time with a few mistakes thrown in". Nowadays if your computer has the sheer RAM to take just 5 seconds to do a depth-20 or even depth-30 every few moves, they can win games while playing nearly NO top moves. They just have the computer look through the next 20-30 moves and find a strong line with a mixture of bad/ok/good moves, so long as its fairly winning, and play that instead. No doubt you've noticed in game against these guys, its super difficult to spot, you notice this player plays "weird" sometimes making an INSANELY clean manuever within SECONDS, but then on the next move takes 10 seconds and blunders an obvious mistake. Only way to spot those cheaters is by actually being a really good chess player and KNOWING a particular move was played way too fast compared to the rest of their moves. Unfortunately, for you chess pros, I got nothing but bad news about the future. There are even some new AI starting to show up that are modified genetic learning algorithms that don't play lines, they just study real human games INCLUDING the playspeed. They just memorize an insane amount of high-rated games and pick random plays that +2500 GMs make in those exact positions. The AI can just be hooked up directly to a massive database of recorded games, and it just parses all those games in that exact position and looks for the highest rated real-human play. For anyone working on cybersecurity for Chess sites, this thing is pretty much a fairness killer, insofar as these things are still primitive and not accessible by most cheaters, you can still play ranked chess at the 2000+ level online. But there's nearly no way to spot these new AI, They look, EXACTLY, like a real human player. Worst part is, you can set the AI to copy the playstyle of any rating, so the AI can play exactly like a 1500 rated player instead of a 2500 rated, with the same level of unspottable "human" moves. So.... sadly, cheaters are going nowhere, and they're gonna get a LOT worse in the next few years. TL;DR AI is getting better, Competitive online chess is extremely screwed if people keep wanting to putting in cheating engines, and there's nothing we can do about it.
Dude exactly!! Now I gotta spend time before moving to check the date of when the account was made and compare their other ratings before playing. Makes me lose like 10-15 seconds since the load takes a while ughhhh it’s frustrating
Yea some of those moves when he was trying to move faster were just ABYSMALLY dumb. Pretty obvious the guy behind the script is a complete chess novice. This doesn't even look like a script. This looks like the guy is alt-tabbing and moving the pieces on a practice board with the engine on with how slow these moves are and that he ran out of time so he had to ACTUALLY move the pieces himself at the end. The really dangerous cheaters (as he mentioned at the start) have scripts that read the board and nearly-instantly play the top 1/2 moves on a high stockfish setting. They got all sorts of clever tricks to make the speed of the plays change throughout the game while still playing VERY fast, and also not always making perfect moves but just very good moves. Sadly even with good systems, its hard to spot those players unless your a pro, and you can notice that this player is making some complex moves way too fast and easy moves way too slow. There are some real nasty vids of Hikaru and Magnus running into those kinda cheaters.
The best move is to repeat twice and give your opponent opportunity to make a suboptimal move. So repetition where your opponent is forced to repeat is always actually rationally beneficial to maximizing winning chances. Nothing complicated about it
@@SoDamnMetal There is a way to beat the engine - close the position, trade pieces and either win the end game or win on time. Just like Aman skillfully dispatched the engine here. The first time I saw it was a Hikaru vid about 4 yrs ago. Maybe the engines are better now and can get around this but the way Hikaru explained it I got the feeling that it was kind of fundamental to how they are programmed. So whilst he may have been using an inferior engine it works for all chess engines. I don't think it works for AI though. Just stockfish or similar. AI would learn it's way out of it.
@@SoDamnMetal Not even necessarily, the guy was blitzing out the moves, he might've even been playing the "top moves," which was just stockfish on a low depth not evaluating closing the position correctly because he's not letting it run. And even then, depending on the position, unless it's already in the cloud of the engine, it might evaluate it as slightly better even though it's a draw. And buddy guy here can't hold a draw with seconds on his clock after Aman finally opened the position back up and finally gained an edge.
@@brettjames9088 There is no way to beat an engine at its full strength, not legitimately anyway. Otherwise you're saying humans are capable of out computing a computer. Depending on hardware, there are tricks you can abuse to force draws (still requiring perfect play from the human) but that's not a win. Regardless it's clear that the engine, or the person, is choosing very suboptimal moves. Aman even mentions it. Since all the move times are virtually identical, I believe it's a very dumbed down engine doing all the decision making, while the cheater is just relaying.
That's true. Also what Aman said about a script picking the third best move (or some random move from the top three, if the moves are roughly the same) sounds scary for catching cheaters, as it makes it harder to catch them. That said, I don't think Hans Niemann cheated OTB last year.
4:45 yea but you still have 4 mins to his 230 lol not that it justifies cheating... lol but for someone that isn't cheating you make 5 seconds look too long if anything!
I don’t mean to be harsh-but he’s boring, as is is dialogue’s..you can’t post 16 min videos ON chess and expect views or interest when you cannot capture the audience.
He takes the exact amount of time no matter what kind of move it is, including basic recapture or weird positional
Yeah it's always between 2s and 5s, never a single premove
Yeaheven recapturing the queen took like 5s
This is the best sales pitch to watch the hippo series if it does this well against flagging bots
Flagging bots and destroying AI is why the hippo exists :)
I use the Hippo to farm titled players in blitz tournaments on Lichess. They see my low rating and always berserk (cut their clock in half for extra points on a win) and I can just flag them.
@@felixmerz6229 genius
@@Axame1 Genius until you realize that you gain 100 points of rating during that tournament like this, just to be slapped down to the ground once you go regular rated and everyone is better than you. Also miss out on testing your openings on good players. But it's fun getting offered draws from 2200s while they're sitting at ten seconds to your minute knowing they're gonna flag against a 1600.
beautifully done closing and complicating the midgame and letting him waste time few seconds at a time
Daaaaang. Didn't expect Aman to destroy the endgame like that there.
Regular chess player: I gotta work on my theory...
Aman: I gotta work on my anti-cheating strategies ...
Me: If I get back-rank-mated again I quit!
When you're so good even Stockfish gives you props 👍
Love how buddy guy walked right into your trap and closed the position off like that. Well done.
Zero chess understanding lol. That guy is probably like 800.
Explain why closing the position is bad here. Explain it like I’m dumb…
@@GoodmanMD historically notorious weakness for chess engines.
@@GoodmanMD With the position closed, it's impossible to make any progress for either side because the pawn blockade can't be penetrated.
in particular, c6 was ridiculous.
Tbf this isn’t the first time aman has beaten the engine. If anyone can beat a cheater rawdog like this, it’s aman hambleton
Great game, Sir. Dismantled the human controlling the AI. Ultimate disrespect.
If you’re a cheater and you play a GM who deploys the Hippo (or similar) you know they know
Is the hippo good against cheaters?
@@thetree1994 yes cuz the position will be closed and the game last for a shit ton of moves so that you are able to win on time
The number of cheaters in this rating range is incredible. It's been a few weeks since I reached 2330/50 on the site for the first time, and it's crazy how many cheaters are there. It was not the same when I was rated 2250. Some of them have 200w 10l on their profiles while they are 750 in bullet - but it takes lots of time for the mods to ban them, unfortunately. Maybe they stopped to catch them until the problems with the servers stop.
Hoping this will not prevent you to do more speedruns at this elo and beyond!
I guess it's the upper limit of the low IQ cheaters who don't know when human intervention is needed. The drag factor of their feeblemindedness is strong.
I'm about 2000 blitz and rapid and particularly in rapid games there are way too many suss games for my liking. Makes me prefer sticking to 3+0.
Indeed. Also, they're becoming smarter by not cheating every game, or making "blunders" going from +7 to +2.5. After that, ban reports are rejected while it should be blooming obvious by the sheer number of games they're doing it... Both chesscom and lichess by the way, and indeed it becomes worse at the 2300-level...
Its not the servers sadly.
Because the creators of the cheating scripts are getting more clever about how they use depth-varience algorithms and randomizing the playspeed of the program, its getting harder and harder to spot robotic players.
In the last two decades, basically, the programs would just play around 10-depth, sometimes with a few blunders or mistakes thrown in randomly, and played about as fast as it could which was always 3-5 seconds due to limitations of the computer. These scripts were just way easier to spot since you could parse high winrate players for "best move" count and examine that section of games, and most of the time those were cheaters, since the script would play so few "good" or "average" moves. And on manual review you could clearly see the player always played at basically the exact same speed.
But nowadays, the cheaters are using 50Gb of RAM with 6 processors in their computer for their chess engine that can go 20-Depth in seconds, with time and processing power left over to make the game look "more natural" by picking a "playspeed average" it wants for the next 5-10 moves and just distributing its time advantage across those moves, instead of just having a consistant playspeed.
That makes it hard to spot them for their speed, but much worse, they don't do the old "Best moves all the time with a few mistakes thrown in".
Nowadays if your computer has the sheer RAM to take just 5 seconds to do a depth-20 or even depth-30 every few moves, they can win games while playing nearly NO top moves.
They just have the computer look through the next 20-30 moves and find a strong line with a mixture of bad/ok/good moves, so long as its fairly winning, and play that instead.
No doubt you've noticed in game against these guys, its super difficult to spot, you notice this player plays "weird" sometimes making an INSANELY clean manuever within SECONDS, but then on the next move takes 10 seconds and blunders an obvious mistake.
Only way to spot those cheaters is by actually being a really good chess player and KNOWING a particular move was played way too fast compared to the rest of their moves.
Unfortunately, for you chess pros, I got nothing but bad news about the future.
There are even some new AI starting to show up that are modified genetic learning algorithms that don't play lines, they just study real human games INCLUDING the playspeed.
They just memorize an insane amount of high-rated games and pick random plays that +2500 GMs make in those exact positions.
The AI can just be hooked up directly to a massive database of recorded games, and it just parses all those games in that exact position and looks for the highest rated real-human play.
For anyone working on cybersecurity for Chess sites, this thing is pretty much a fairness killer, insofar as these things are still primitive and not accessible by most cheaters, you can still play ranked chess at the 2000+ level online.
But there's nearly no way to spot these new AI, They look, EXACTLY, like a real human player.
Worst part is, you can set the AI to copy the playstyle of any rating, so the AI can play exactly like a 1500 rated player instead of a 2500 rated, with the same level of unspottable "human" moves.
So.... sadly, cheaters are going nowhere, and they're gonna get a LOT worse in the next few years.
TL;DR
AI is getting better, Competitive online chess is extremely screwed if people keep wanting to putting in cheating engines, and there's nothing we can do about it.
Dude exactly!! Now I gotta spend time before moving to check the date of when the account was made and compare their other ratings before playing. Makes me lose like 10-15 seconds since the load takes a while ughhhh it’s frustrating
Funny to watch him do king moves without the engine and blunder 4 pawns then go back go engine moves slowly with 2 pieces
Yea some of those moves when he was trying to move faster were just ABYSMALLY dumb.
Pretty obvious the guy behind the script is a complete chess novice.
This doesn't even look like a script.
This looks like the guy is alt-tabbing and moving the pieces on a practice board with the engine on with how slow these moves are and that he ran out of time so he had to ACTUALLY move the pieces himself at the end.
The really dangerous cheaters (as he mentioned at the start) have scripts that read the board and nearly-instantly play the top 1/2 moves on a high stockfish setting.
They got all sorts of clever tricks to make the speed of the plays change throughout the game while still playing VERY fast, and also not always making perfect moves but just very good moves.
Sadly even with good systems, its hard to spot those players unless your a pro, and you can notice that this player is making some complex moves way too fast and easy moves way too slow.
There are some real nasty vids of Hikaru and Magnus running into those kinda cheaters.
The game was already dead-lost at that point... he didn't blunder anything. Those 4 pawns were goners no matter what he did.
@@maxkho00 possibly but I've seen engines do some insane shit.
I really enjoy watching Aman in closed-position chess, the troll is ridiculous. I don't know if he enjoys playing it but it's so satisfying to watch.
Luka played like a pacemaker.
Playing passionately in a heartbeat
hippo is engines worst nightmare
lol did Aman just stomp an engine??
I've watched guys do it.
They literally sit there playing, with 2 devices in their hands.
I always like to ask them if they play OTB 😁
It's a constant cyber attack on that website. Something like going for the money.
The best move is to repeat twice and give your opponent opportunity to make a suboptimal move. So repetition where your opponent is forced to repeat is always actually rationally beneficial to maximizing winning chances. Nothing complicated about it
always repeat in classical to get to the next time bonus
I only saw 30 minuttes of the stream and I was really woundering if Aman would be able to proove that lucca was a cheater. Good job!!
buddy is just really strong ong frfr no cap
he took a course once i'm sure of it
Thumbnail wrong it should be " Chess cheater EMBARASSED by Aman Hambleton"
Monetize that cheater, chessbrah, way to go! You win, not them.
p sure you need to learn how to castle (yes, I'm going through the building habits series. Love it)
Bro played with a metronome
Jerome would be proud
It’s what Jerome would have wanted.
For Jerome
Lmao
Moves like a robot
You should get +20 extra after beating a cheater and they ban his account
Low depth Larry got smoked.
sounds mega Canadian at the 6:30 mark. love it.
9:50,why does he need engine to capture queen lol
When gm got lost then he banned his opponent 🤣
The name sterkur strákur makes my day
He didn't just beat the cheater on time, but with only 5 minutes he legit beat stockfish. That game was his even without flagging. Insanity.
He beat a very dumbed down version of stockfish. Our cheater here thought he was pretty slick and could avoid a ban by lowering its strength.
@@SoDamnMetal Oooooh. Gotcha.
@@SoDamnMetal There is a way to beat the engine - close the position, trade pieces and either win the end game or win on time. Just like Aman skillfully dispatched the engine here.
The first time I saw it was a Hikaru vid about 4 yrs ago. Maybe the engines are better now and can get around this but the way Hikaru explained it I got the feeling that it was kind of fundamental to how they are programmed. So whilst he may have been using an inferior engine it works for all chess engines.
I don't think it works for AI though. Just stockfish or similar. AI would learn it's way out of it.
@@SoDamnMetal Not even necessarily, the guy was blitzing out the moves, he might've even been playing the "top moves," which was just stockfish on a low depth not evaluating closing the position correctly because he's not letting it run. And even then, depending on the position, unless it's already in the cloud of the engine, it might evaluate it as slightly better even though it's a draw. And buddy guy here can't hold a draw with seconds on his clock after Aman finally opened the position back up and finally gained an edge.
@@brettjames9088 There is no way to beat an engine at its full strength, not legitimately anyway. Otherwise you're saying humans are capable of out computing a computer. Depending on hardware, there are tricks you can abuse to force draws (still requiring perfect play from the human) but that's not a win.
Regardless it's clear that the engine, or the person, is choosing very suboptimal moves. Aman even mentions it. Since all the move times are virtually identical, I believe it's a very dumbed down engine doing all the decision making, while the cheater is just relaying.
Lucca is a city in Italy
Do hippos eat (Stock)fish?
What is the song @5:00?
Dusk - Nuer Self
@@saitamabeach2200 thank you!
@@saitamabeach2200 how did you find that out?
New wave of players brought extremely big number of cheaters 🥶 after every 5 loses chessco is giving me a compensation)
There is no way this is cheating.
6:20 Stockfish really wanted c6 there? I don't understand chess at all I guess
Strong Boy x Hippo collab??
Impressive
This deserves a KAAAY----OHHHHH. PSHHHING If there ever was a time.
4 seconds every move.
He only played 82.7, so how do you know he's cheating?
Just mixing in your own moves between the engine suggestions does not tarn you effectively, it makes you look even more suspicious!
That's true. Also what Aman said about a script picking the third best move (or some random move from the top three, if the moves are roughly the same) sounds scary for catching cheaters, as it makes it harder to catch them. That said, I don't think Hans Niemann cheated OTB last year.
So I shouldn't mix them in, huh 😅
@@raylopez99 He did. Obviously.
4:45 yea but you still have 4 mins to his 230 lol not that it justifies cheating... lol but for someone that isn't cheating you make 5 seconds look too long if anything!
i usually just flag them , but this is impressive , almost cruel haha😛
Hippo ♥
I feel like I am missing some context here...who's Lucca?
the cheater
Are you gonna show if the other guys were cheating as well?
2
3rd
first
How much you wanna bet these clowns got into chess because of bead boy?
Can you prove he cheated? The onus is on you, not him.
@@robdubent 🤡
@@danicajohnson2664 You are the 🤡 Tell your drama boy that he's not unbeatable. As time has already shown since.
@@danicajohnson2664 And I'm willing to bet you use beads, not even playing chess.
@@ItIsYouAreNotYour 🤡
Chess cheaters are gods
16 mins ?!? Nah 5 mins tops 👎
average tiktok addict brain
@@MOTHblank 16 mins of boring nah thanks-I’d rather watch grass grow and paint dry.
I don’t mean to be harsh-but he’s boring, as is is dialogue’s..you can’t post 16 min videos ON chess and expect views or interest when you cannot capture the audience.
Thanks for sharing your perceive.
Lol
Aman is the most entertaining imo. Even when he's being boring. Also he is a well known brawler. The hands speak for itself.
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk good one
So what you're saying is, don't support these guys?
I really don't get why my beloved Hippo isn't seen at top level otb to be fair - what other opening holds even engines at bay like that? 🦛🦾